On January 10 2012 13:33 StarStruck wrote: Instead of just saying stuff. Look it up to double check if you aren't certain. It really isn't that hard to find. -_- You are close enough though.
We aren't left with very much anymore after MBC Game decided to shut down and players from three seperate teams were looking for new homes.
As a result we have a shortened PL format and the schedule isn't as fierce without the other network, teams and MBC tournament schedule. Things have definitely been toned down a bit, but the ratings are still fair. Nothing I wouldn't expect.
All I can say is wait and watch.
I tried looking up the BW prize pools for OSL/MSL and couldn't find any up-to-date information. If you have a link to it that would be wonderful
On January 10 2012 13:33 StarStruck wrote: Instead of just saying stuff. Look it up to double check if you aren't certain. It really isn't that hard to find. -_- You are close enough though.
We aren't left with very much anymore after MBC Game decided to shut down and players from three seperate teams were looking for new homes.
As a result we have a shortened PL format and the schedule isn't as fierce without the other network, teams and MBC tournament schedule. Things have definitely been toned down a bit, but the ratings are still fair. Nothing I wouldn't expect.
All I can say is wait and watch.
I tried looking up the BW prize pools for OSL/MSL and couldn't find any up-to-date information. If you have a link to it that would be wonderful
that probably because no one really cares about prize pools of BW tournments really.
OSL is 40K for the winner I believe and uhhh... PL is completely unkown and no one asks about MSL
Makes it sound like a "Monday Night War" type fight for the right to say we broadcast the top quality Starcraft 2. If nothing else, if it comes into fruition it should be amazing to watch.
Makes it sound like a "Monday Night War" type fight for the right to say we broadcast the top quality Starcraft 2. If nothing else, if it comes into fruition it should be amazing to watch.
So long as all players/teams can play in both leagues I think this would be brilliant for Sc2. Competition breeds success. God knows Wrestling was better in the 90s when you had proper competition.
If you had OGN teams and GOM teams that would kind of suck but we'd still get to see them both play in foreign tournaments and at least we'd see the big BW players playing Sc2.
OGN and KeSPA's only concern at the moment is their market. The Korean market. This doesn't mean foreigners won't be given opportunities because they will as long as they are IN the country.
How the heck you think Starcraft got it's big push in the beginning anyway? The Foreigners. Giyom was a Legend. They WANT foreigners as they can be highly marketable on their looks and being foreigners alone.
Re-adjustments will be made.
As for his bit about the HD quality. Come on now. OGN's focus is on their cable network primarily as we've seen in the past. You cannot always base shit off of what you've seen from a WCG tournament. Like I said, re-adjustments can always be made.
Will they start catering more to live streaming networks? Give it time.
There's a lot more to it than just that if their policies are any indication. These so-called 'partnerships' we have between foreigner and Korean teams... I don't really see that flying really well with the KeSPA sponsored teams. With KeSPA you're either in or your out when you look back at their longwinded history with GOM and other properties. Then again, PJ and Lx did come over to SK to train for a bit in the Chinese deal, but they were never put into the spotlight like many people had hoped. KeSPA has brought tournaments and players to other events in the past as well. So not all of BoSs' concerns are valid. However, he is right about one thing as I mentioned earlier. There could be trouble for his SC2 branch. I don't think KeSPA really respects the current Korean SC2 teams. The financial backing was pretty bad and companies like FXO had to step-in to support them. I don't know how welcoming KeSPA will be to them. ._.
That's the biggest concern of the bunch if you are him. It's a pretty big one too.
On January 10 2012 14:53 therockmanxx wrote: How are the suppost to switched if there is only 1 league in korea? Arent they suppost to wait til kespa move to SC2??
On January 10 2012 13:33 StarStruck wrote: Instead of just saying stuff. Look it up to double check if you aren't certain. It really isn't that hard to find. -_- You are close enough though.
We aren't left with very much anymore after MBC Game decided to shut down and players from three seperate teams were looking for new homes.
As a result we have a shortened PL format and the schedule isn't as fierce without the other network, teams and MBC tournament schedule. Things have definitely been toned down a bit, but the ratings are still fair. Nothing I wouldn't expect.
All I can say is wait and watch.
I tried looking up the BW prize pools for OSL/MSL and couldn't find any up-to-date information. If you have a link to it that would be wonderful
quoting Konadora here:
Total prize pool: 108K (sorry not 180K, saw wrongly lol) Winner: 40k Runner-up: 20k Ro36 - 1st/2nd/3rd: $250/$150/$100 Ro16 - 8 players who didn't make it to Ro8: $2000 each Ro8 - 4 players who didn't make it to Ro4: $3000 each 3rd/4th place: $7000 each
On January 10 2012 14:53 therockmanxx wrote: How are the suppost to switched if there is only 1 league in korea? Arent they suppost to wait til kespa move to SC2??
On January 09 2012 13:40 Tazerenix wrote: I personally can't see how KESPA would fit into the current SC2 model in korea. I can imagine that Blizzard will step in and stop them from doing to the starcraft 2 scene what they did in BW.
Well, if the BW teams are practicing Starcraft 2, that's pretty much akin to KeSPA preparing for SC2 because all of those teams are part of KeSPA. BW teams run very differently from current SC2 teams in that the teams themselves aren't really individual entities in the same way SC2 teams are.
As far as Blizzard stepping in, as long as they're getting their payments they won't do a thing. The entire dispute with KeSPA was over money. Barring further conflict on that end, it's eat or be eaten...
OGN has a great working relationship with GOMTV's GSL division. The problem is not whether OGN can share the market with GOMTV, but rather what direction KeSPA wants to go in regards to SC2.
On January 10 2012 12:22 SkimGuy wrote: It's funny to see SC2 newcompers compare players like Flash to even other A-teamers
He makes other A-teamers look like scrubs.
Flash would make MVP look like Bitbybit (i.e the only way you could beat him would be to use a cheesy strategy). The scary part is - This isn't even that much of an exaggeration, Flash is that good.
like when he lost 2 Classic and some other random mediocore T in straight up games?.
playing straight up vs Flash gives u a higher winrate then paying some chesse. cause for whatever reason he scouts exactly in that game for some cheese and finds it
Wasn't that right around Flash's surgery? He was probably playing with one hand lol.
On January 10 2012 13:21 Muffinman53 wrote: I haven't been able to find this anywhere else on the site so maybe someone can tell me in this thread. I've heard that the S-class players in BW make upwards of 100-200k per year in salaries, but I've never heard how much they make in tournament winnings per year? If someone could give me an approximation that'd be great
Well there were 6 tournaments a year I think in BW (OSL/MSL not counting proleague). I believe the winner gets something like 25k-40k US dollars is what I believe I read somewhere.
So if you won 2 tournaments that would be 80k + whatever you make in salary. But yes the top tier bw players flash/jaedong and what not make 100k or so. I believe flash has a 5 year contract for 500k? Can't remember don't think it was that much a year but might be wrong.
Ahh great, thank you so much! So even if each tournament was 40k, that is roughly the same as winning a GSL if I'm not mistaken? When you include the money the foreign scene throws at SC2 tournaments, it sounds like if BW players could lockin a similar salary in SC2 there is already the same amount of tournament winnings to be made. Someone can correct me if I'm missing something.
Flash said himself that he makes roughly $350k on a good year (that includes both salary and a fair amount of tournament wins. His salary is a lot higher than $100 k though.
Q: What’s your salary? -The income includes prize money from the leagues. On the low side, it’s about 250000000 won, and it can get up to 400000000 won on the high side. Last year I got about 300000000 won.
You also have to remember that there are a lot of players with high salaries, and everyone can’t win GSL.
On January 10 2012 13:34 chatuka wrote: i kind of agree with Magma. That, if the foreigners don't raise their game for the upcoming Koreans in SC2, the game will lose interest amongst international fans. As much as I love Flash, bisu, Jaedong, Stork. Those guys dominating MLG, IEG, IPL, GSL. Whatever new tournaments around the world will diminish interest. It is a sad thing to witness for the future. I really hope the foreigners step up to compete against the great korean plaers that upcoming
What you and most people seem to forget is, that the players switching are apparently practicing SC2 for some time now. that means no player who is currently active in PL will switch. that means no flash, bisu, stork, jaedong, whatever... Furthermore we can probably eliminate players in the army ACE or not.
On January 10 2012 13:33 StarStruck wrote: Instead of just saying stuff. Look it up to double check if you aren't certain. It really isn't that hard to find. -_- You are close enough though.
We aren't left with very much anymore after MBC Game decided to shut down and players from three seperate teams were looking for new homes.
As a result we have a shortened PL format and the schedule isn't as fierce without the other network, teams and MBC tournament schedule. Things have definitely been toned down a bit, but the ratings are still fair. Nothing I wouldn't expect.
All I can say is wait and watch.
I tried looking up the BW prize pools for OSL/MSL and couldn't find any up-to-date information. If you have a link to it that would be wonderful
that probably because no one really cares about prize pools of BW tournments really.
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I might wanna disagree and dare to say that at least the players care about the prizepool. (but nice try making bw sound like something really elite where nobody cares about money^^)
On January 10 2012 13:33 StarStruck wrote: Instead of just saying stuff. Look it up to double check if you aren't certain. It really isn't that hard to find. -_- You are close enough though.
We aren't left with very much anymore after MBC Game decided to shut down and players from three seperate teams were looking for new homes.
As a result we have a shortened PL format and the schedule isn't as fierce without the other network, teams and MBC tournament schedule. Things have definitely been toned down a bit, but the ratings are still fair. Nothing I wouldn't expect.
All I can say is wait and watch.
I tried looking up the BW prize pools for OSL/MSL and couldn't find any up-to-date information. If you have a link to it that would be wonderful
that probably because no one really cares about prize pools of BW tournments really.
[...]
I might wanna disagree and dare to say that at least the players care about the prizepool. (but nice try making bw sound like something really elite where nobody cares about money^^)
Of course the players care about the prize pool, but the amount of $ coming from tournaments is very little compared to the combined amount of money coming from salaries. The fact that every player have a salary makes BW professional, it has nothing to do with whether they care about prize money or not (which they do).
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