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On January 10 2012 10:24 Nightmare-br wrote:
I think it comes down most to personal taste. Yeah, the BW pros are probably more professional and have a better work ethic, but I don´t think it´s accurate to say that one game is that much better than the other.
Yeah, it's probably not very accurate to say that one game is better than the other. However, when you quantify "better" as "more suitable for professional competitive play", that is a lot easier to determine.
On January 10 2012 10:24 Nightmare-br wrote:
In my opinion, SC2 is just a lot more entertaining than BW.
Arguably, League of Legends is more entertaining than either of the Starcrafts.
But the question is, do you want your esports served as part of the entertainment industry as a cheap flick OR do you want an actual competitive sport formed around a game that can clearly separate many different tiers of skill and make it progressively more difficult to reach the higher levels of play.
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Holy crap, so much thread.
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Those who are waiting to see Flash dominate sc2 are going to be let down. SC2 is alot easier game to play at the first place, so there is probably not gonna be any resemblance of dominance what Flash had in BW if he starts to play SC2. Sure he would be good, but so are everyone else.
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On January 10 2012 10:49 FXOpen wrote:
Holy crap, so much thread.
♥ well it's pretty big information you gave, information that leaves a lot of room for speculation, and about a subject that a lot of people feel very strongly about.
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Can't some moderator close this thread please and reopen it when we have additional information?
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On January 10 2012 11:16 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Those who are waiting to see Flash dominate sc2 are going to be let down. SC2 is alot easier game to play at the first place, so there is probably not gonna be any resemblance of dominance what Flash had in BW if he starts to play SC2. Sure he would be good, but so are everyone else.
"Good" Doesn't define Flash
"Good" Is what you use for that one player who doesn't win any tournaments but never seems to drop a showmatch. IE "Liquid`Tyler is really good"
"Good" Is what you say to someone who says "Howya feeling?"
"Good" is the kind of player that doesn't have the decision making or quick thinking to become great, but has the mechanics to be "Good"
The word "Good" and Flash in the same sentance is nothing but an insult, and honestly, I dont think you have a flippin idea what would happen if he switched to sc2. The fact you even have the word "bonjwa" in your name and you doubt flash is pitaful.
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On January 10 2012 11:34 Energizer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 11:16 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Those who are waiting to see Flash dominate sc2 are going to be let down. SC2 is alot easier game to play at the first place, so there is probably not gonna be any resemblance of dominance what Flash had in BW if he starts to play SC2. Sure he would be good, but so are everyone else. "Good" Doesn't define Flash "Good" Is what you use for that one player who doesn't win any tournaments but never seems to drop a showmatch. IE "Liquid`Tyler is really good" "Good" Is what you say to someone who says "Howya feeling?" "Good" is the kind of player that doesn't have the decision making or quick thinking to become great, but has the mechanics to be "Good" The word "Good" and Flash in the same sentance is nothing but an insult, and honestly, I dont think you have a flippin idea what would happen if he switched to sc2. The fact you even have the word "bonjwa" in your name and you doubt flash is pitaful.
He literally joined TL today, probably to make that post.
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On January 09 2012 14:08 KadaverBB wrote:Sweet  Firebathero would be awesome, might rival MC in ceremonies XD
FBH has no rival. FBH wins outright.
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On January 10 2012 11:34 Energizer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 11:16 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Those who are waiting to see Flash dominate sc2 are going to be let down. SC2 is alot easier game to play at the first place, so there is probably not gonna be any resemblance of dominance what Flash had in BW if he starts to play SC2. Sure he would be good, but so are everyone else. "Good" Doesn't define Flash "Good" Is what you use for that one player who doesn't win any tournaments but never seems to drop a showmatch. IE "Liquid`Tyler is really good" "Good" Is what you say to someone who says "Howya feeling?" "Good" is the kind of player that doesn't have the decision making or quick thinking to become great, but has the mechanics to be "Good" The word "Good" and Flash in the same sentance is nothing but an insult, and honestly, I dont think you have a flippin idea what would happen if he switched to sc2. The fact you even have the word "bonjwa" in your name and you doubt flash is pitaful.
Give me a break. Im not sure if you are serious or what.
But lets honestly think realistically this thing. Flash is godly good in bw because bw is very hard to manage well, and flash has managed to play it higher level than anyone else. But sc2 is so much easier game, which gives little room to dominate like flash does in bw.
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3 words: waste of talent
See post above me for clarification
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I'm so fucking excited to see who comes over!!!!
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On January 10 2012 11:40 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 11:34 Energizer wrote:On January 10 2012 11:16 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Those who are waiting to see Flash dominate sc2 are going to be let down. SC2 is alot easier game to play at the first place, so there is probably not gonna be any resemblance of dominance what Flash had in BW if he starts to play SC2. Sure he would be good, but so are everyone else. "Good" Doesn't define Flash "Good" Is what you use for that one player who doesn't win any tournaments but never seems to drop a showmatch. IE "Liquid`Tyler is really good" "Good" Is what you say to someone who says "Howya feeling?" "Good" is the kind of player that doesn't have the decision making or quick thinking to become great, but has the mechanics to be "Good" The word "Good" and Flash in the same sentance is nothing but an insult, and honestly, I dont think you have a flippin idea what would happen if he switched to sc2. The fact you even have the word "bonjwa" in your name and you doubt flash is pitaful. Give me a break. Im not sure if you are serious or what. But lets honestly think realistically this thing. Flash is godly good in bw because bw is very hard to manage well, and flash has managed to play it higher level than anyone else. But sc2 is so much easier game, which gives little room to dominate like flash does in bw.
Maybe it gives room to dominate in other areas?
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On January 10 2012 09:55 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 13:50 Warpath wrote:On January 09 2012 13:46 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
I can see them practicing WoL to get a feel for the slight differences between BW and SC2, and then possibly making the official switch when HotS comes out, since that will equalize the playing field.
And then they'll probably crush some skulls and crack some necks. Being an A-Teamer BW player is not something to take lightly.
Yeah, a whole bunch of players above MVPs level at average, which means some will be even better. Mvp actually was quite the Broodwar talent, he was probably going to be very good, but he switched early
bahahahahahahhahahah
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On January 10 2012 11:43 entrust wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 11:40 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 10 2012 11:34 Energizer wrote:On January 10 2012 11:16 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Those who are waiting to see Flash dominate sc2 are going to be let down. SC2 is alot easier game to play at the first place, so there is probably not gonna be any resemblance of dominance what Flash had in BW if he starts to play SC2. Sure he would be good, but so are everyone else. "Good" Doesn't define Flash "Good" Is what you use for that one player who doesn't win any tournaments but never seems to drop a showmatch. IE "Liquid`Tyler is really good" "Good" Is what you say to someone who says "Howya feeling?" "Good" is the kind of player that doesn't have the decision making or quick thinking to become great, but has the mechanics to be "Good" The word "Good" and Flash in the same sentance is nothing but an insult, and honestly, I dont think you have a flippin idea what would happen if he switched to sc2. The fact you even have the word "bonjwa" in your name and you doubt flash is pitaful. Give me a break. Im not sure if you are serious or what. But lets honestly think realistically this thing. Flash is godly good in bw because bw is very hard to manage well, and flash has managed to play it higher level than anyone else. But sc2 is so much easier game, which gives little room to dominate like flash does in bw. Maybe it gives room to dominate in other areas?
Im not saying its impossible, but it is very likely scenario that flash would degrade from "godly dominator" from just very good player if he switched to sc2. This all is just because sc2 is so much easier game that gives everyone miraculous opportunity to challenge rts-talents like flash.
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On January 10 2012 11:40 Mongolbonjwa wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 11:34 Energizer wrote:On January 10 2012 11:16 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Those who are waiting to see Flash dominate sc2 are going to be let down. SC2 is alot easier game to play at the first place, so there is probably not gonna be any resemblance of dominance what Flash had in BW if he starts to play SC2. Sure he would be good, but so are everyone else. "Good" Doesn't define Flash "Good" Is what you use for that one player who doesn't win any tournaments but never seems to drop a showmatch. IE "Liquid`Tyler is really good" "Good" Is what you say to someone who says "Howya feeling?" "Good" is the kind of player that doesn't have the decision making or quick thinking to become great, but has the mechanics to be "Good" The word "Good" and Flash in the same sentance is nothing but an insult, and honestly, I dont think you have a flippin idea what would happen if he switched to sc2. The fact you even have the word "bonjwa" in your name and you doubt flash is pitaful. Give me a break. Im not sure if you are serious or what. But lets honestly think realistically this thing. Flash is godly good in bw because bw is very hard to manage well, and flash has managed to play it higher level than anyone else. But sc2 is so much easier game, which gives little room to dominate like flash does in bw.
You talk like anyone has even come close to reaching the skillcap for sc2 yet, which is so untrue. Yes, I can understand the logic that starcraft 2 is simpler and easier to pick up and play, but I don't understand why so many people act like there isn't room for anyone to excel in the game.
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mvp was such a great talent that I still remember comments about people actively avoiding watching his PL games.
On a more serious note, I wasn't around much during his A-team breakout, so I'm not going to talk out of my ass, but I can't remember anyone ever mentioning him in the context of a "major talent". He was more like the Clide of BW. That said, he was fairly young as well (still is).
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On January 10 2012 06:24 CuSToM wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 06:10 Bagration wrote:On January 10 2012 05:33 ceaRshaf wrote:
Can't wait, I have nerdchills even thinking "Bisu vs Nestea" brrrrr...i just peed myself. That would not be even be close. Bisu is many levels above Nestea, and Nestea is even starting to falter against top SC2 pros. SlayersFantasy and SlayersBisu? Many levels above him in what? Starcraft II? Get real dude, not yet.
Of course we are talking about SC2, my friend, as Nestea cannot even touch Bisu in BW. Guys like Bisu, Flash and Jaedong are almost certain to be better than Nestea in Starcraft 2 if they were to switch. Of course, they are not going to be instantly bonjwas and GSL champions the first week they switch, but they have the mechanics and speed and the fundamental gamesense. Give them a few months, and it is very likely that they could be far ahead of guys like Nestea.
Nestea is a good player, but his greatest strengths have been his ability to out-think and out-prepare his opponents. But these BW players are absolute monsters.
But our discussion is all speculation for now. Top BW players have no incentive yet to switch to a less-popular game (at least in Korea), and jeopardize their own careers by taking that risk. The best thing to do for now is to just wait and see.
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On January 10 2012 08:22 Pelopidas wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 08:00 blade55555 wrote:On January 10 2012 07:10 bgx wrote:On January 10 2012 05:01 blade55555 wrote:On January 10 2012 04:52 ImbaTosS wrote:
One factor- has anyone seen how well the BroodWar Proleague is doing this season? Answer is very well. According to Milki's its doing like 1/3rd the viewership that it had in 2007 and isn't getting that many. I don't want bw to die but it seems all the people in korea who actually can find stuff out and I don't see why fxoboss would lie either and with milkis saying the same thing well doesn't look good. I enjoy both bw/sc2 and looks like this might be the last of bw unless milkis/boss are just playing a joke which again I highly doubt. lol 1/3 of 2007 .... like its bad? Latest proleague finals: The fact that mass viewership was recorded by teenagers rather than people in their 20’s is evidence that Brood War remains popular in following generations since the first Proleague finals in 2003. The final set between Flash and Best reflected the most response from viewers, achieving a max viewership ratio of 2.514% (21% of males aged 16-19). In other words, 2 out of every 10 male Korean high school students watched the last set of the Proleague final. Compare it to GSL when you have more foreigners in the audience than koreans (wtf?). BW seems to be more secure for station like OGN or big sponsor. Even if its 1/3 or 1/5(whateva) of its former glory. You are talking proleague finals. I am talking proleague regular matches. Just saying I trust the words of people in korea like boss or milki's who reads the websites all the time. Again they (milkis unless I am mis reading what he is saying) even said as well that other then finals, viewership isn't doing as good. So yeah I forgot to mention that my bad where the finals is a small period compared to the actual proleague season. I wouldn't be sad at all though if milki's was wrong and let alone boss was and bw ended up still going strong for a few more years but just doesn't seem the case. I want to see jaedong win 2 more championships minimum  Right, BW is definatley doing awful. Number #1 in 13-29 age bracket is terrible. http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=121552&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd=
BW is still fantastic if you're targetting to a very specific demographic. It's not doing "awful" by any means, it's just dropping off really far in terms of ratings. you have to realize that those numbers are cherry picked, and it doesnt help the fact that ratings are still FAR from what they used to be (you'll start to get a sense of how big the scene actually was if you think of it that way).
BW is still far more popular than SC2 in Korea. the "calculated" move behind this is that the switch will also have the fan base follow them to SC2. It's a dangerous gamble.
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On January 10 2012 11:46 MegaFonzie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 11:40 Mongolbonjwa wrote:On January 10 2012 11:34 Energizer wrote:On January 10 2012 11:16 Mongolbonjwa wrote:
Those who are waiting to see Flash dominate sc2 are going to be let down. SC2 is alot easier game to play at the first place, so there is probably not gonna be any resemblance of dominance what Flash had in BW if he starts to play SC2. Sure he would be good, but so are everyone else. "Good" Doesn't define Flash "Good" Is what you use for that one player who doesn't win any tournaments but never seems to drop a showmatch. IE "Liquid`Tyler is really good" "Good" Is what you say to someone who says "Howya feeling?" "Good" is the kind of player that doesn't have the decision making or quick thinking to become great, but has the mechanics to be "Good" The word "Good" and Flash in the same sentance is nothing but an insult, and honestly, I dont think you have a flippin idea what would happen if he switched to sc2. The fact you even have the word "bonjwa" in your name and you doubt flash is pitaful. Give me a break. Im not sure if you are serious or what. But lets honestly think realistically this thing. Flash is godly good in bw because bw is very hard to manage well, and flash has managed to play it higher level than anyone else. But sc2 is so much easier game, which gives little room to dominate like flash does in bw. You talk like anyone has even come close to reaching the skillcap for sc2 yet, which is so untrue. Yes, I can understand the logic that starcraft 2 is simpler and easier to pick up and play, but I don't understand why so many people act like there isn't room for anyone to excel in the game.
Yea skillcap is not reached yet, hell, its not even probably reached in bw even. But it is quiet clear that atleast mechanically it is much lower. Mechanics are the one important thing which restricts many players from excelling in the game in brood war.
But however, even if the skillcap is not reached in sc2, sc2 is anyway so volatile right now compared to bw.
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On January 10 2012 11:40 rdcpohl wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2012 14:08 KadaverBB wrote:Sweet Firebathero would be awesome, might rival MC in ceremonies XD FBH has no rival. FBH wins outright.
Agreed ... FBH has no rivals.
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