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On January 05 2012 19:29 adnnn wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 19:16 JBanKs wrote:On January 05 2012 18:21 VirgilSC2 wrote: This is.....absolutely hilarious.
I feel bad for WeMade as they really got the wool pulled over their eyes, but still, the fact they made it even possible for this to happen is a little embarassing. It is not embarrassing to WeMade in anyway :S haha, where do people get these ideas? Does anyone actually read or just make assumptions up and spit out random comments. I meant to say eSahara, not WeMade :/
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On January 05 2012 23:45 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 21:56 Rustug wrote: Although unprofessional, mistakes happen, congratulations to eSahara on signing Maka. How is it unprofessional to be scammed? It reflects poorly on their initial decision but it's not like the imposter was playing games under their name and making appearances. He was still in the process of joining the team when the fraud was revealed. Unprofessional is knowing he isn't the real Pepe, representing him as such and then only once the rest of the community cries out, going back on him. Being scammed can happen to anyone. Just ask someone who's lost a pair of headphones. Yeah, I was scammed at Subway one time. I ordered cheese and there was no cheese on my sandwich!!!
Whether you are signing contracts with Korean Brood War players or ordering headphones, it's hard not to get scammed.
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On January 05 2012 23:45 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 21:56 Rustug wrote: Although unprofessional, mistakes happen, congratulations to eSahara on signing Maka. How is it unprofessional to be scammed? It reflects poorly on their initial decision but it's not like the imposter was playing games under their name and making appearances. He was still in the process of joining the team when the fraud was revealed. Unprofessional is knowing he isn't the real Pepe, representing him as such and then only once the rest of the community cries out, going back on him. Being scammed can happen to anyone. Just ask someone who's lost a pair of headphones. how the hell do you mix people up like that? He wasnt in the process of joining the team. He had already joined. The only way this could've happened is that eSahara probably loosely ties people together as a team. Contracts dont get signed and face to face meetings with management probably didnt even happen.
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ouch, sounds like eSahara got trolled. they should have done some more research
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eSahara then, by way of analogy, lost to an unmorphed hallucinated changeling despite having detection.
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It's a spy! That is disappointing though.
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E-sports is large enough to have imposters!
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Unfortunate that they got scammed but it congratulations to eSahara, it seems like they are moving in the right direction.
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epic DRAMA ^^ sc2 is best drama series in world
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On January 05 2012 21:44 KainiT wrote: If we have learned anything in 2011 it is that esports dramas are very good for people's success in competition, for example: puma-drama, it was kind of the start of his career (althoug winning nasl 1 was before that, this kind of hurts my point TT) stephano-drama: after that he won just about everything except mlg and dreamhack tl-huk-eg-thing
So i expect PePe to have great success in 2012 now, even though he's not playing anymore :D probably he gets a promotion at Wemade or something^^
I'm actually willing to attribute 99% of their western fame to winning IPL and NASL.
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It's unfortunate that the "Pepe" that signed with the team was an imposter. I'm impressed with eSahara for taking full responsibility.
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On January 06 2012 01:17 LittleAtari wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 23:45 Probe1 wrote:On January 05 2012 21:56 Rustug wrote: Although unprofessional, mistakes happen, congratulations to eSahara on signing Maka. How is it unprofessional to be scammed? It reflects poorly on their initial decision but it's not like the imposter was playing games under their name and making appearances. He was still in the process of joining the team when the fraud was revealed. Unprofessional is knowing he isn't the real Pepe, representing him as such and then only once the rest of the community cries out, going back on him. Being scammed can happen to anyone. Just ask someone who's lost a pair of headphones. how the hell do you mix people up like that? He wasnt in the process of joining the team. He had already joined. The only way this could've happened is that eSahara probably loosely ties people together as a team. Contracts dont get signed and face to face meetings with management probably didnt even happen. eSahara's fairly well-established as an eSports entity, and I'd say it's more professional than a lot of the Korean teams, especially pre-PuMa "scandal." It's unfortunate this happened to them, and the signing may have been unprofessional -- I don't know to what extent they got scammed and how much information was provided, how much they double-checked everything -- but their response is absolutely professional, IMO.
Anyways, face-to-face meetings are difficult if your base of operations is ... not in Korea. Has JYP even had a face-to-face with Alex Garfield yet?
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i really wonder who's that troll imposter hahaha
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On January 06 2012 01:17 LittleAtari wrote:Show nested quote +On January 05 2012 23:45 Probe1 wrote:On January 05 2012 21:56 Rustug wrote: Although unprofessional, mistakes happen, congratulations to eSahara on signing Maka. How is it unprofessional to be scammed? It reflects poorly on their initial decision but it's not like the imposter was playing games under their name and making appearances. He was still in the process of joining the team when the fraud was revealed. Unprofessional is knowing he isn't the real Pepe, representing him as such and then only once the rest of the community cries out, going back on him. Being scammed can happen to anyone. Just ask someone who's lost a pair of headphones. how the hell do you mix people up like that? He wasnt in the process of joining the team. He had already joined. The only way this could've happened is that eSahara probably loosely ties people together as a team. Contracts dont get signed and face to face meetings with management probably didnt even happen.
It's common for teams to sign players without meeting face-to-face. In the case of contract signing, the two parties are usually not together when the signing takes place. I don't know how eSahara got ahold of the impostor, but I'm guessing he contacted them first and expressed an interest in joining, or they contacted him under false pretenses. Either way, it's not their fault, there's only so much fact checking you can do from across the world.
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On January 06 2012 03:06 babylon wrote: eSahara's fairly well-established as an eSports entity, and I'd say it's more professional than a lot of the Korean teams, especially pre-PuMa "scandal." It's unfortunate this happened to them, and the signing may have been unprofessional -- I don't know to what extent they got scammed and how much information was provided, how much they double-checked everything -- but their response is absolutely professional, IMO.
Anyways, face-to-face meetings are difficult if your base of operations is ... not in Korea. Has JYP even had a face-to-face with Alex Garfield yet? If he hasnt met with Alex Garfield, you can bet that he's met with someone else from EG who has that specific responsibility. In the case of EG, which is based in United States. Every player is employed by EG, meaning, that just like any other job in the US, you have to provide the organization with a certain amount of official documentation so that your employment is legally recognized. This is important because when you start travelling the world, you're not getting a Visa for being a tourist that likes to visit places, but instead, it's part of your work. This makes a HUGE difference.
On January 06 2012 03:19 Cel.erity wrote: It's common for teams to sign players without meeting face-to-face. In the case of contract signing, the two parties are usually not together when the signing takes place. I don't know how eSahara got ahold of the impostor, but I'm guessing he contacted them first and expressed an interest in joining, or they contacted him under false pretenses. Either way, it's not their fault, there's only so much fact checking you can do from across the world. Yes, it is their fault. You're committing to flying someone around the world to represent your brand and sponsors and you don't even know who that person is? That's like me going to work at a McDonald's and they don't bother to ask about my social security number or house address. No self-respected employer just says "Hey, you work for me now" and doesn't make a mark on the books or not bother looking into the books at all
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This happens in organisations weather you like it or not. I am sure eSahara will improve their system of recruitment. It is not like the guy was bronze league or anything. I remember a few years ago a guy got his mate to phone up a football manager in UK and pretend to be someone else, guaranteeing that this guy was a very talented professional football player. he joined a team, went out on the pitch in an official league game, and turns out he wasn't any good at all and got substituted about 10 minutes later.
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From the article here
http://www.esahara.net/en/news/1586
Pepe's recruitment has been done a few weeks ago. While we were dealing with the player, he showed a very good knowledge of the Starcraft : Broodwar scene, including confidential information about some of the players and the KeSPA itself, intel that was confirmed by several different Korean sources.
That's weird
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Man, sad the real pepe has not been signed.
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no matter if it is eSahara's fault or not, at least now, we know(should think) that something like this will never happen again, just as almost all the other dramas have done, like naniw'a probe rush and the stephano situation, as well as many others, we know we are past those, and that they will never happen again. On another note, I really like eSahara's response to this, they take full responsibility, instead of blaming it on someone else
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