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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=214360&cid=0&kind=8 Since Ro32 and Ro16 are now both group plays, with Bo3 matches, Ro32 groups will be decided by random draws from a pool of 4 tier of players. ![[image loading]](http://img.gomtv.net/imgdata/44046.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://img.gomtv.net/imgdata/44045.jpg) The GSL champion and runner up pick their first opponent from Tier 4. The rest is random drawing. Ro16 will be standard group nomination system. It seems like a good decision, as it should prevent MC from picking the strongest group and droping into Code B. At least in the Ro32. 
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digmouse
China6329 Posts
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TeMiL
Peru545 Posts
thats why we see Idra and Sen in those tiers? | ||
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
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bbm
United Kingdom1320 Posts
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cekkmt
United States352 Posts
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swordboy
Canada299 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:14 TeMiL wrote: GSL now is A and S together right? thats why we see Idra and Sen in those tiers? No, IdrA and Sen have actually been given Code S spots, for their results. | ||
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bbm
United Kingdom1320 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:14 TeMiL wrote: GSL now is A and S together right? thats why we see Idra and Sen in those tiers? idra's in tier 3 because he has GSL points from earlier in the year. Tiers 2-4 are ranked based on 2011 GSL points | ||
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Morale
Sweden1010 Posts
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kineticSYN
United States909 Posts
hope mvp and forgg aren't in the same group. even if it was on ladder, the smashing that was delivered will not provide justice for the fans. not yet anyway.  | ||
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Odoakar
Croatia1837 Posts
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Titorelli
2492 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:16 ZenithM wrote: No, IdrA and Sen have actually been given Code S spots, for their results. Yeah right for their "results" :D | ||
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Jackle
Canada859 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:14 TeMiL wrote: GSL now is A and S together right? thats why we see Idra and Sen in those tiers? No, I'm pretty sure it'll work the same way as last season, losers in the group stage will drop down to Code A. What this is announcing is a new group stage format where you can't hand pick players, but are instead randomized by GSL point rankings. | ||
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
...? Sen has arguably the best results of any foreigner, placing consistently high at almost every big event and Idra has a good deal of GSL points + MLG results. | ||
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j4vz
Canada976 Posts
you probably dont know, idra was in code S and never dropped out, he just couldnt play anymore in korea. | ||
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reisada
183 Posts
his group: Jjakji nestea bomber, 2-0 all of them ahhahahaha At least i hope so xD | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
Says on website; The GSL format has been completely revamped for our 2012 series. As Code S Ro.16 will be played in dual tournament mode, Group Nomination has been moved after the Code S Ro.32 Group stage. Therefore, 2012 GSL Season 1 Code S Ro.16 Group Nomination will be broadcasted on January 20th, 2012. Only strongest 16 players who have qualified fierce competition will be in Group Nomination and you can enjoy more interviews and more contents. So they only showing the RO16 draw? Hope this is just bad wording, i like watching all of them talk to eachother and banter. Plus with Idra there im sure the banter will be up a level | ||
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fatalities
United States91 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:29 Pandemona wrote: So there not showing this? Says on website; So they only showing the RO16 draw? Hope this is just bad wording, i like watching all of them talk to eachother and banter. Plus with Idra there im sure the banter will be up a level There is no Ro32 draw. It's (mostly) random seeding, if you read OP. | ||
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Jackle
Canada859 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:29 Pandemona wrote: So there not showing this? Says on website; So they only showing the RO16 draw? Hope this is just bad wording, i like watching all of them talk to eachother and banter. Plus with Idra there im sure the banter will be up a level Uh... with this format change, groups are drawn at random based of on GSL rankings seperating you into tiers, there's no point of having the players there. The point of the format change is to make the Ro32 more balanced in terms of skill level in each group. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:32 fatalities wrote: There is no Ro32 draw. It's (mostly) random seeding, if you read OP. ....Obviously, but it is still classified "as a draw" with people drawing out of a hat/bag whatever. It states GSL November winner and runner up are the only ones who will be drawing and the rest is done by GOM. So my question was, this is not going to be shown then? EDIT: 3. The Champion and the Runner-up have the privilege to choose an opponent from Tier 4. Yet they also state; Code S Ro.32 Group Nomination (will not be broadcasted) Which i find rather dissapointing, RANDOM or not, watching draws is fun. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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tabbott26
United Kingdom379 Posts
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Titorelli
2492 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:25 Skwid1g wrote: ...? Sen has arguably the best results of any foreigner, placing consistently high at almost every big event and Idra has a good deal of GSL points + MLG results. Afaik you have to earn your Code S spot by qualifying through the tough Code B and Code A qualifiers. The real reason I assume they invited them is because the want more foreign viewers. So its not about merit its all about popularity, I hate that  | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38255 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:38 tabbott26 wrote: What will happen though if sC doesn't recover sufficiently from his surgery?? Will it be the same as for the CoCa incident and the Rain incident?? sC is out of hospital and has been home for a few days. Been laddering some too already =p He couldn't make the Code S introduction filming afaik but it sounds like he intends to play. | ||
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Primadog
United States4411 Posts
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Badfatpanda
United States9719 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:38 tabbott26 wrote: What will happen though if sC doesn't recover sufficiently from his surgery?? Will it be the same as for the CoCa incident and the Rain incident?? Hw was released 2 dys ago and should be alright to play in GSL Jan | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:38 tabbott26 wrote: What will happen though if sC doesn't recover sufficiently from his surgery?? Will it be the same as for the CoCa incident and the Rain incident?? Well CoCa had the "matchfix"/"cheating" incident in the Korean weekly, and Rain just decided he would leave... so i don't think its the same case... im sure GOM understands that if you have a collapsed lung you can't play well | ||
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Corrik
United States1416 Posts
Theoretically, each tier should be stronger than the one after it. | ||
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mrRoflpwn
United States2618 Posts
It seems like a good decision, as it should prevent MC from picking the strongest group and droping into Code B. At least in the Ro32. Lol- dont diss the obama toss! i like the system thuogh | ||
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juked
United States691 Posts
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:34 Pandemona wrote: ....Obviously, but it is still classified "as a draw" with people drawing out of a hat/bag whatever. It states GSL November winner and runner up are the only ones who will be drawing and the rest is done by GOM. So my question was, this is not going to be shown then? EDIT: Yet they also state; Which i find rather dissapointing, RANDOM or not, watching draws is fun. As far as I remember, the new GSL system has a non-random drawing for the ro16 groups (players get to pick opponents) and I'm assuming that gets broadcasted live. Overall, I like the system. | ||
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nam nam
Sweden4672 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:49 Corrik wrote: Isn't this very unbalanced? You have all the top finishers in one tier. You have all the bottom in GSL ranking points in 1 tier. Theoretically, each tier should be stronger than the one after it. There are some arguable players but overall (if you squint your eyes  ) it looks fairly balanced to me. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:52 Derez wrote: As far as I remember, the new GSL system has a non-random drawing for the ro16 groups (players get to pick opponents) and I'm assuming that gets broadcasted live. Overall, I like the system. I like watching draws in general, even though there isn't players there or anything. I watch the Champions League draw every year, as well as other ones that come up (FA Cup comes to mind.) Even though the players arn't there to comment, it would still be cool to see. Imagine the hype in the LRs!!!! | ||
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Kuskinator
United Kingdom43 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:43 Primadog wrote: Not a fan of tiers being determined by GSL rank points. This was the same trap that MLG fell in last year (and now abolished). This tournament/draw format is almost identical to the UEFA Champions League/Euro's FIFA World Cup/etc and is designed to reward the better teams by giving them a slight advantage in group stages by removing the possibility of a top 8 team meeting another top 8 team first round. Transferring this to GSL it should stop there being a one-sided final, with 4 of the top 8 one side of the draw, and the other 4 in the opposite half of the draw as opposed to the entire top 8 on one side which can lead to a poor finals. Of course there are always upsets which can prevent the "best" player from progressing and we could still get a one-sided quarters/semis/final, but at least that player would likely have earned that spot more by beating 2 or 3 of the top8, rather than 5 of the lower 32. Tennis is similar (albeit without the group stage (discounting WTF, but whatever)) with the seeds dotted around so the top 32 would only meet each other in ro32, and top2 in final - provided there are no upsets which there always will be in all sports. | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
I do wish this was being broadcasted. They don't need to go to the studio or bring the players or any of that. Even just a webcam of Mr. Chae pulling numbers out of a hat will suffice. I'm a sucker for this sort of thing and finding out who is going to be put in which group is way more exciting than just reading the list off a forum post. | ||
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Saishuuheiki
United States188 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:43 Primadog wrote: Not a fan of tiers being determined by GSL rank points. This was the same trap that MLG fell in last year (and now abolished). This is a false comparison. In MLG points determined who were in the top 32 as well as the order. In GSL, points does not determine who is in the top 32, only the order of 9-32. Ultimately this merely tries to assure that the average skill accross the various groups is more even, thus trying to minimize the "group of death" phenomenon in early rounds. Put simply, they want to avoid a situation like MVP, NESTEA, MMA, and ForGG all being in the same group first round. They would rather the *star* players continue deeper into the tournament and get more games. At the same time, unlike the MLG format, there is no garuntee that they will make it deep into the tournament; this must be accomplished by their own skill. | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:43 Primadog wrote: Not a fan of tiers being determined by GSL rank points. This was the same trap that MLG fell in last year (and now abolished). Only reason it is flawed is since there is no decline in points based on preformance. GSL rewards you for being around for a long time, but if you do terrible for a long time(San and anypro for instance) and suddenly come back they are still in the top 16 of rankings. | ||
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xxgeffxx
United States119 Posts
the formats pretty hard to understand im just gonna wait until gom releases the groups in full so we can understand what it means for drawing next seasons groups | ||
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julysun
United States29 Posts
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movac
Canada494 Posts
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frucisky
Singapore2170 Posts
"2. Players from Tier 1 will be assigned to Group A through Group H. 3. The Champion and the Runner-up have the privilege to choose an opponent from Tier 4. 4. Players from Tier 2 will be assigned to Group A through Group H in random drawings. 5. Players from Tier 3 will be assigned to Group H through Group A in random drawings. 6. Players from Tier 3 will be assigned to Group A through Group H in random drawings." * Code S Ro.32 Group Nomination (will not be broadcasted). Doesn't this mean the only picking we'll see is whom Leenock and Jjakji pick? | ||
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kuroshiro
United Kingdom378 Posts
On December 29 2011 01:12 frucisky wrote: Doesn't this mean the only picking we'll see is whom Leenock and Jjakji pick? Sounds about right. I really like this, and it's a change that should have been made sooooo much earlier. Player-selection always seems to end up with stacked halves of the bracket that makes for anticlimactic seasons and a lot of questions on the finalist who made it through "the easy side". Looking forward to see how it works out! | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
MVP MC DRG Curious MMA Nestea Bomber Gumiho jjakji MKP Happy Fin Those are all really HARD groups wow The easiest I can imagine is maybe... aLive InCa YugiOh Parting | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51484 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:59 Hassybaby wrote: I like watching draws in general, even though there isn't players there or anything. I watch the Champions League draw every year, as well as other ones that come up (FA Cup comes to mind.) Even though the players arn't there to comment, it would still be cool to see. Imagine the hype in the LRs!!!! Guess it just us English people who like watching live draws Hassy I agree 100% with what you just wrote, i watch every draw World Cup Champions League Euro 2012 Draw etcetcetc Its great hype and fun. Can make specticals of it, look back on previous seasons GSL, comment on matches what happend etc, discuss any news/rule changes. Maybe awards ceromony built in etcetc. But yeah id just be happy with showing the draw if you could please GOM =) | ||
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frucisky
Singapore2170 Posts
On December 29 2011 01:15 kuroshiro wrote: Sounds about right. I really like this, and it's a change that should have been made sooooo much earlier. Player-selection always seems to end up with stacked halves of the bracket that makes for anticlimactic seasons and a lot of questions on the finalist who made it through "the easy side". Looking forward to see how it works out! I believe's this's a problem of the past though. Code S looks as it should be, pretty evenly strong with the occassional spike at MVP, MMA etc. I think player selection will still be alright. Really looking forward to seeing the groups anyhow! | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:39 Titorelli wrote: Afaik you have to earn your Code S spot by qualifying through the tough Code B and Code A qualifiers. The real reason I assume they invited them is because the want more foreign viewers. So its not about merit its all about popularity, I hate that They do want more foreigners, which is why they have 2 foreign code S seeds that GOM will be handing out. But both sen and idra were in code S previously, both earned their way there like everyone else at the time, and neither of them ever dropped out of code S before they had to leave korea. | ||
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aviator116
United States820 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:39 Titorelli wrote: Afaik you have to earn your Code S spot by qualifying through the tough Code B and Code A qualifiers. The real reason I assume they invited them is because the want more foreign viewers. So its not about merit its all about popularity, I hate that a bunch of the korean pros rode on MLG spots to get to Code S (MVP from Anaheim, MMA from Columbus), so idk about the "tough Code B and Code A qualifiers" part. GOM already said they were going to give spots to foreigners, might as well give them to the best foreigners. im sorry if you hate it. you can go talk to Mr. Chae if you want to. i doubt he'll care though. | ||
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sidesprang
Norway1033 Posts
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imEnex
Canada500 Posts
Also, don't Fin is going to top 8 for sure, he destroying Code A and is a ex- BW progamer, watch out. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On December 29 2011 01:17 lichter wrote: Still some potential for Groups of Death though! [...] The easiest I can imagine is maybe... aLive InCa YugiOh Parting I'd say the easiest would be Puzzle, Zenio/Inca, Idra/Boxer and Sen, but that's up for debate. And if there's a group full of Terrans, JYP is the easiest of the 4th seeds by far. | ||
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gullberg
Sweden1301 Posts
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
On December 29 2011 01:29 gullberg wrote: Maaan I hope jjakji picks Idra, would be pretty funny. Hes in group C, he can pick sen tho. Hes pretty much the easiest opponent in the D group | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On December 29 2011 01:22 hunts wrote: They do want more foreigners, which is why they have 2 foreign code S seeds that GOM will be handing out. But both sen and idra were in code S previously, both earned their way there like everyone else at the time, and neither of them ever dropped out of code S before they had to leave korea. Sen was never in Code S, not even near that. | ||
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lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On December 29 2011 01:29 StarVe wrote: I'd say the easiest would be Puzzle, Zenio/Inca, Idra/Boxer and Sen, but that's up for debate. And if there's a group full of Terrans, JYP is the easiest of the 4th seeds by far. I love Sen so I couldn't put him down in the easy group :p Also he's done well in tournaments even against Koreans, so he definitely has a shot. He didn't do well in WCG though I'm a fan of YugiOh's since his time as NewDawn (before he joined SlayerS), but I still think Boxer is better than him. aLive is probably more well balanced than Puzzle, but Puzzle has more potential. | ||
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kineticSYN
United States909 Posts
On December 29 2011 01:23 aviator116 wrote: a bunch of the korean pros rode on MLG spots to get to Code S (MVP from Anaheim, MMA from Columbus), so idk about the "tough Code B and Code A qualifiers" part. GOM already said they were going to give spots to foreigners, might as well give them to the best foreigners. im sorry if you hate it. you can go talk to Mr. Chae if you want to. i doubt he'll care though. just to correct you, mvp already had code s spot, and I believe columbus was before the code s/a spots were awarded. mma got code s piggybacking off second place finish @ anaheim behind mvp | ||
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samw
England443 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:16 ZenithM wrote: No, IdrA and Sen have actually been given Code S spots, for their results. If you replace the words "their results" with "gom tv's revenue", this makes more sense | ||
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Yaki
France4234 Posts
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Jotoco
Brazil1342 Posts
Everyone else it is just the ID... | ||
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Skwid1g
United States953 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:39 Titorelli wrote: Afaik you have to earn your Code S spot by qualifying through the tough Code B and Code A qualifiers. The real reason I assume they invited them is because the want more foreign viewers. So its not about merit its all about popularity, I hate that You can get them from MLG (which Idra did for Code A) and GOM has 2 foreign invites per season iirc. I'm pretty sure the only reason Sen got in is because Naniwa lost his Code S spot and Idra has the results, gsl points, and already had an up/down seed iirc. You also have to remember that GSL is much harder for foreigners than Koreans: you're usually thousands of miles from home, don't know anyone, probably don't speak the language or know the cultures, etc. So staying in Korea to continually try to just get into Code A is a lot to ask someone like Idra or Sen to be doing, if they don't deserve their slots in Code S they'll lose them quite quickly. | ||
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zyzq
United States3123 Posts
On December 29 2011 01:23 aviator116 wrote: a bunch of the korean pros rode on MLG spots to get to Code S (MVP from Anaheim, MMA from Columbus), so idk about the "tough Code B and Code A qualifiers" part. GOM already said they were going to give spots to foreigners, might as well give them to the best foreigners. im sorry if you hate it. you can go talk to Mr. Chae if you want to. i doubt he'll care though. MMA, MC and DRG are the ones who got Code-S from MLG. | ||
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FuzzyJAM
Scotland9300 Posts
Anyway, very pleased with this change. Good work from GOM. Now we just need them to have only two main tournaments a year and I'll be exceptionally happy. | ||
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Thretau
Finland85 Posts
On December 29 2011 01:47 Jotoco wrote: Does anyone find it funny that Boxer is the only one ho has his Team stated? (As in SlayersBoxer) Everyone else it is just the ID... It used to be his nickname during his Broodwar years iirc. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
Nice system, I approve. | ||
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MrMotionPicture
United States4327 Posts
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shannn
Netherlands2891 Posts
Hoping to see groups with some of these combinations: Zenio/IdrA Leenock/MKP MMA/DRG aLive/inCa Keen/NaDa sC/NesTea MVP/ForGG | ||
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Azzur
Australia6259 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:43 Primadog wrote: Not a fan of tiers being determined by GSL rank points. This was the same trap that MLG fell in last year (and now abolished). The MAJOR difference between GSL and MLG (last year) is that you actually have to qualify for the GSL Code S ro32, and thus the seedings really only sorts the players out from positions 9-32 rather than giving them a spot. For MLG, being in the top16 (or was it top20?) meant that you were automatically put into the pool play and can only finish at the lowest in the 30-something position even if you go 0-5 in your group. This got you quite a bit of points and hence it's a self repeating cycle - players who are in the pool play got alot of points which made them keep their pool play position. In contrast, if you don't perform in the GSL Code S, you can fall into Code B in one season. The good thing this system does is to prevent suicidal picks (MC lol) and fan favourites eliminating each other in the ro32. | ||
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Bazzyrick
United Kingdom361 Posts
I wish good luck to Sen, and I'm not a huge fan of Idra but I wish him luck anyway. I want to see a larger list of foreigners beating top level Koreans. I think once 2012 is over, we'll be calling that the year of eSports, and we'll of forgotten all about 2011. | ||
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
I know it's mostly going to be random but still.... | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
Curisou is tier 4 haha, poor opponents. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On December 29 2011 01:47 Jotoco wrote: Does anyone find it funny that Boxer is the only one ho has his Team stated? (As in SlayersBoxer) Everyone else it is just the ID... It's because his ID IS SlayersBoxer That's why his team is called slayers, and not the other way. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
I miss sC's awesomeness. | ||
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Packawana
United States1081 Posts
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On December 29 2011 03:04 VirgilSC2 wrote: I'm just really curious about sC, will he be well in time to play in this season of GSL? I hope so I miss sC's awesomeness. sC vs Nestea was one of the most awesome series ever, but even then I underestimated him. His 2-0ing of MC in GSL, given that MC has the best PvT in the world, is pretty spectacular, however. I look forward to sC's return. | ||
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Vindicate
United States169 Posts
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On December 29 2011 03:04 VirgilSC2 wrote: I'm just really curious about sC, will he be well in time to play in this season of GSL? I hope so I miss sC's awesomeness. He got out of the hospital like yesterday or a day before if I recall correctly. There's still plenty of time to practice, if he doesn't have a relapse again. sC is an incredibly strong player when his health is okay and he has had enough practice. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On December 29 2011 02:13 Azzur wrote: The MAJOR difference between GSL and MLG (last year) is that you actually have to qualify for the GSL Code S ro32, and thus the seedings really only sorts the players out from positions 9-32 rather than giving them a spot. For MLG, being in the top16 (or was it top20?) meant that you were automatically put into the pool play and can only finish at the lowest in the 30-something position even if you go 0-5 in your group. This got you quite a bit of points and hence it's a self repeating cycle - players who are in the pool play got alot of points which made them keep their pool play position. In contrast, if you don't perform in the GSL Code S, you can fall into Code B in one season. The good thing this system does is to prevent suicidal picks (MC lol) and fan favourites eliminating each other in the ro32. also the number of GSLs to accumulate points from is larger than the MLG sample size. This makes it more fair than the MLG system imo | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
On December 29 2011 03:22 Shellshock1122 wrote: also the number of GSLs to accumulate points from is larger than the MLG sample size. This makes it more fair than the MLG system imo If anything more spread out tournaments (without decaying points) is more unfair. It shouldn't matter that who was good 11 months ago when you are determining seeds for a current tournament. It doesn't matter though because seeds in GSL is way less importnat that MLG. At least it means there won't be any more MVP vs Nestea in Ro32. | ||
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Sif_
Brazil3106 Posts
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jj33
802 Posts
Got my yearly ticket. Notables I'm mostly going to pay attention to are MVP, FORGG, Leenock, Jjakji, drg and MMA. Interested in how Sen will do, as good as he is, I hope he's ready, the Koreans are great at preparation and will exploit any weakness. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:26 Canucklehead wrote: I think they should have let mvp and jjakji pick a player from any of the tiers and not limited them to just tier 4. In theory, tier 4 should be the weakest, but it's not due to people accumulating a lot of gsl points early on and hanging around in code s. They still get the weakest out of thoes 8 in that group. While it may not be perfect(Its last years points etc, not 2012 ones) they still have a advantage | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
Remains to be seen if he is a consistent player but the chances of him doing a never seen before abusive build is at an all-time high. | ||
Antoine
United States7481 Posts
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ScaSully
United States488 Posts
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kineticSYN
United States909 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:39 Drazzyo wrote: idras group is perfect for him! i think you completely misunderstood how this works lol idra will be in a group with 1 tier 1, 1 tier 2, and 1 tier 4 those aren't the groups | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Why are you so Awesome? Why so ffing awesome? You are awesome! Best league setup possible. | ||
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ragnorr
Denmark6097 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:48 awu25 wrote: Takes the fun out of having a selection ceremony if they're going to have one. Everything being randomized is no fun and doesn't create any rivalry situations They are doing group thingies in Ro16, chances are we will have them there instead? | ||
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Packawana
United States1081 Posts
On December 29 2011 04:46 tuho12345 wrote: Seeing Sen got code S over Nani still makes me mad I swear, at this point Nani's name is every thread on this forum. Back on topic, I really really hope Mvp picks ForGG. Seeing that match in pool play would be sooo awesome! :D | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
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LawnMower
Sweden557 Posts
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gh0un
601 Posts
Their "results" are qualifiying for the first gsl seasons, ON THEIR OWN, and in Idra´s case, never actually dropping out of code s. Idra and sen both qualified for every gsl season they entered, they definitely earned their spots and deserve to be there. | ||
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StarVe
Germany13591 Posts
On December 29 2011 05:03 gh0un wrote: Their "results" are qualifiying for the first gsl seasons, ON THEIR OWN, and in Idra´s case, never actually dropping out of code s. Idra and sen both qualified for every gsl season they entered, they definitely earned their spots and deserve to be there. Sen qualified for one GSL (Season 3), won against oGsVines and then lost to NesTea in the RO32. I don't know if he tried to qualify for more. That's good, but not as consistent as you make it out to be. | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On December 29 2011 05:03 gh0un wrote: Their "results" are qualifiying for the first gsl seasons, ON THEIR OWN, and in Idra´s case, never actually dropping out of code s. Idra and sen both qualified for every gsl season they entered, they definitely earned their spots and deserve to be there. Also IIRC Sen got knocked out of the GSL by Nestea, in a ZvZ back when he was still invincible in the matchup | ||
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Fourn
Greece227 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 29 2011 05:09 Fourn wrote: I think Sen is going to get destroyed IMO TBQH, I'd pick him if I were in Tier 1. Only winner and runner up can pick, maybe leenock would but jjakji will probably go for JYP who's bad at PvT. | ||
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Zinjil
United States166 Posts
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twndomn
401 Posts
Regardless, the seating looks dire for Sen. He's a good player for sure, but to get out of ro. 32 with a win, might just be too tough at this point. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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silyaznfoo
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Seiferz
United States640 Posts
On December 29 2011 05:16 Fusilero wrote: Only winner and runner up can pick, maybe leenock would but jjakji will probably go for JYP who's bad at PvT. sen's probably gonna lose but i think he'll put up a good fight. i think he can certainly stay and compete in code A though | ||
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mrtomjones
Canada4020 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:15 swordboy wrote: ForGG's group will be the group of death. i think not | ||
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reisada
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Blitzer
Australia243 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On December 29 2011 05:03 gh0un wrote: Their "results" are qualifiying for the first gsl seasons, ON THEIR OWN, and in Idra´s case, never actually dropping out of code s. Idra and sen both qualified for every gsl season they entered, they definitely earned their spots and deserve to be there. Those spots were almost a year ago, back when Bitbybit actually made the Ro16. GSL has gotten progressively harder with each season afterwards. | ||
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Uncultured
United States1340 Posts
Whoah, he also has the easiest group by far. | ||
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SkullZ9
Belgium2048 Posts
On December 29 2011 08:51 Uncultured wrote: Not a single protoss in Idras group YAY!!!!!! Whoah, he also has the easiest group by far. What ? We don't know his group yet. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On December 29 2011 08:42 CosmicSpiral wrote: Those spots were almost a year ago, back when Bitbybit actually made the Ro16. GSL has gotten progressively harder with each season afterwards. Forget bit by bit prime. Remember even artosis qualified back then.  The level of competition back then compared to today is night and day. | ||
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devPLEASE
Kenya605 Posts
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Kaozpanna
Sweden47 Posts
On December 29 2011 08:51 Uncultured wrote: Not a single protoss in Idras group YAY!!!!!! Whoah, he also has the easiest group by far. Read the OP again, these are not the groups. Groups will consist of one player from each tier. | ||
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shinyA
United States473 Posts
oh wait | ||
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Kaien
Belgium178 Posts
But im kinda hoping forGG gets smashed .. dont like all the hype around him | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
I'd put Sen and JYP as the weakest of that group but fuck me, Code S top to bottom is looking stronger than ever by a mile. AHHHHHHHH CAN'T WAIT. I'm gonna miss the massive 2 hour long gathering of MKP / Losira adorableness. Although Losira Code A now so he miss out anyway | ||
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
EDIT: it seems groups arent done yet? if thats so when will they be done? thanks : ) | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
On December 29 2011 09:38 Canucklehead wrote: Oh the irony of wanting forgg to lose due to hype, but wanting the most hyped foreigner in all of sc2 to do well. to me hype has to do with the unexpected or unknown. Forgg is hyped because he is unknown, noone knows his potential. he could win Code S, or go to Code B. no one knows. IdrA isnt like that, hes been a top foreigner since the game came out. Say what you want, he is one of, if not the, most accomplished foreigner. alongside huk and naniwa. EDIT: he ninja edited me, was a quote from the guy above me before he changed it. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On December 29 2011 09:05 Canucklehead wrote: Forget bit by bit prime. Remember even artosis qualified back then. The level of competition back then compared to today is night and day.True, but also remember that zerg was really quite underpowered back then, since that was before a lot of balance changes happened, almost all of which either buffed zerg or nerfed T/P. With the game much closer to balance now I'd say we have a chance of seeing idra perform really well in the GSL. | ||
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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On December 29 2011 08:38 Blitzer wrote: Everyone's talking about ForGG and that's fair enough as he is really talented and will be a big chance to progress far but I reckon the other guy that's gone under the radar is Brown, who has been on an absolute tear. I don't think I've seen the guy lose a game yet from memory and he was the other one who really stood out for me. FWIW I agree that tier 4 would probably beat tier 3 in a match. +1 to this. Brown and Parting are gonna tear everyone apart lol. I bet they'd be another Oz and Puzzle this season. Their HTs and units control is hella sick. | ||
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
On December 29 2011 09:47 L3g3nd_ wrote: to me hype has to do with the unexpected or unknown. Forgg is hyped because he is unknown, noone knows his potential. he could win Code S, or go to Code B. no one knows. IdrA isnt like that, hes been a top foreigner since the game came out. Say what you want, he is one of, if not the, most accomplished foreigner. alongside huk and naniwa. EDIT: he ninja edited me, was a quote from the guy above me before he changed it. lol, at least BW champion still > than Idra. And IdrA isn't the really top 10 of foreigners when he's in a heavy slump after came back to the US lol. Stop hyping him, he can't get through R32 for sure. And Sen is forever 3rd place in foreigner's events. | ||
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discobaas
225 Posts
On December 29 2011 09:47 L3g3nd_ wrote: to me hype has to do with the unexpected or unknown. Forgg is hyped because he is unknown, noone knows his potential. he could win Code S, or go to Code B. no one knows. IdrA isnt like that, hes been a top foreigner since the game came out. Say what you want, he is one of, if not the, most accomplished foreigner. alongside huk and naniwa. EDIT: he ninja edited me, was a quote from the guy above me before he changed it. Going through code A quali's on his first try and then easily smashing sage, polt & july shows that he probably won't be going to code B lol. | ||
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NexUmbra
Scotland3776 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:27 j4vz wrote: you probably dont know, idra was in code S and never dropped out, he just couldnt play anymore in korea. He never dropped out in one season, it was GSL January that he played in, which is almost a year ago now... That is the equivalent of saying that Jinro is on par with IdrA because he actually got further than IdrA in GSL January (Ro4) | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On December 29 2011 09:51 tuho12345 wrote: lol, at least BW champion still > than Idra. And IdrA isn't the really top 10 of foreigners when he's in a heavy slump after came back to the US lol. Stop hyping him, he can't get through R32 for sure. And Sen is forever 3rd place in foreigner's events. I'll re-quote this once GSL starts so you can feel like a jerk for shit talking idra when he owns it up in GSL. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On December 29 2011 09:51 tuho12345 wrote: lol, at least BW champion still > than Idra. And IdrA isn't the really top 10 of foreigners when he's in a heavy slump after came back to the US lol. Stop hyping him, he can't get through R32 for sure. And Sen is forever 3rd place in foreigner's events. Yeah winning 3 tournaments and making it far in others during july - november is fucking terrible and slumping hard. He was slumping but he kinda broke out of it winning 2 tournaments (even if 1 was only foreigners) still winning 2 tournaments and making it far in most of the MLG's. Idra could make it to the RO16 for sure he has the potential just like sen, Idra has beaten code S players, he practices with code S players now and is back in korea he can definitely make it to the ro16. Will he? We shall see groups will determine. | ||
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NexUmbra
Scotland3776 Posts
On December 29 2011 09:58 hunts wrote: I'll re-quote this once GSL starts so you can feel like a jerk for shit talking idra when he owns it up in GSL. I would say that July is better than IdrA, and fOrGG literally made him look like it was a diamond leaguer he was playing against. | ||
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
ForGG Fighting!!! EDIT: Sen Fighting!!! 虫王加油！ | ||
p4NDemik
United States13896 Posts
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Sprouter
United States1724 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On December 29 2011 10:27 p4NDemik wrote: Whoever get's fOrGG as their tier 4 player in their group is going to be really sore. Yerp. On December 29 2011 10:23 Mobius_1 wrote: I think the issue here with GSL points is that mediocre players who have been here a long time but always languished at the edge of Code S will have higher ranking points than up-and-coming, or recently switching players like Brown and Fin who have not played many games in GSL Code anything. This is a small flaw but it would be unfair to seed those players higher just because they have been playing well or had experience in BW or whatever, these are small faults that will be arbitraged away as time goes on. So a consistent tournament that has recurring editions shouldn't seed players based on their performance in previous editions of their tournament? What should they seed people based on, then? IdrA and Sen were invited based on their performance at recent events (IdrA at Gangzhou and Orlando, Sen at Blizzcon). GSL now has two invite bids for foreign players each season. This is information we already knew from the Naniwa shitstorm. Tiers 2-4 are determined based on GSL Points from 2011. IdrA has them. Any other questions? | ||
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On December 29 2011 09:58 hunts wrote: I'll re-quote this once GSL starts so you can feel like a jerk for shit talking idra when he owns it up in GSL. Just like he owned NASL and WCG? Stop hyping Idra and Sen. They have shown nothing in Korea. | ||
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FlukyS
Ireland485 Posts
Like there are always zergs or protoss players that you can say oh yeah they would be right up there in GSL if they competed but who exactly would you add that plays terran really. | ||
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DarkGo
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Janders
Mexico222 Posts
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FlukyS
Ireland485 Posts
On December 29 2011 10:56 ES.Genie wrote: Just like he owned NASL and WCG? Stop hyping Idra and Sen. They have shown nothing in Korea. Idra did very well in GSL and held a code S spot for a long time and he is better now so to be honest he can do it. Its just a case of his ZvT being really well prepared and working with slayers who have some amazing terran players he should be able to do it. | ||
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Olinimm
1471 Posts
On December 29 2011 10:58 FlukyS wrote: Idra did very well in GSL and held a code S spot for a long time and he is better now so to be honest he can do it. Its just a case of his ZvT being really well prepared and working with slayers who have some amazing terran players he should be able to do it. How is 1 season a long time? | ||
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thesums
Taiwan257 Posts
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msjakofsky
1169 Posts
but i'd put my money on them getting their asses kicked hard. an mc-idra match would be hilarious, or an idra-forgg. and to the guys who think idra and sen "qualified" of some sort: no they didn't. gomtv wanted to give some foreigners code s spot but based on their subjective opinion, not any kind of qualifying system- ofc they wanted to give the spots to good players, but they don't deserve the spot more than like some dozen other players from na/eu. they wanted to give spots to naniwa and stephano and jinro, sen and idra were secondary choices. they just picked 2 good foreigners that they liked, not the 2 most deserving. to naniwa they wanted to give it based on like 6 games played that could be called succesful in the past half a year, with games like his shady cannon rush on metalopolis... and they thought naniwa is more deserving than idra. so quit saying he is deserving, no he isn't he got lucky and most likely will get manhandled hilariously. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Hmm, curious why Idra is rated higher than Sen. Feels like its just because Idra's got a much bigger reputation. Sen's up in total prize money, tourneys and is 5-4 vs. Idra. (I'm a biased Taiwanese fanboy btdubs) Liking the race breakdown this GSL too. Well, more that the others. Terran is less than half! xD | ||
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msjakofsky
1169 Posts
On December 29 2011 11:09 ticklishmusic wrote: Eh, I agree T4 looks a lot scarier than T3. Hmm, curious why Idra is rated higher than Sen. Feels like its just because Idra's got a much bigger reputation. Sen's up in total prize money, tourneys and is 5-4 vs. Idra. (I'm a biased Taiwanese fanboy btdubs) Liking the race breakdown this GSL too. Well, more that the others. Terran is less than half! xD it's from gsl points, idra participated in 2 code s iirc and sen in none | ||
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dekarp
286 Posts
Maybe he meant he had a long run (RO8). But yeah, only was in 1 season of Code S and did decently in the open seasons. | ||
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ES.Genie
Germany1370 Posts
On December 29 2011 10:58 FlukyS wrote: Idra did very well in GSL and held a code S spot for a long time and he is better now so to be honest he can do it. This is almost a year ago and how is one season even a long time? | ||
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Fionn
United States23455 Posts
I wanna see a group of: MMA Nestea DRG ForGG | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
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Olinimm
1471 Posts
On December 29 2011 11:25 Torte de Lini wrote: Where's HuK? umm...Code A. | ||
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Engdrew
United States890 Posts
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elwoodng
Singapore438 Posts
On December 29 2011 08:38 Blitzer wrote: Everyone's talking about ForGG and that's fair enough as he is really talented and will be a big chance to progress far but I reckon the other guy that's gone under the radar is Brown, who has been on an absolute tear. I don't think I've seen the guy lose a game yet from memory and he was the other one who really stood out for me. FWIW I agree that tier 4 would probably beat tier 3 in a match. I have to second this. In a time where Protoss is struggling against Zerg, I remember watching a game which Brown crushed LosirA in a PvZ, which is pretty insane. Haven't watch enough games of his in other match-ups though. | ||
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
On December 29 2011 10:40 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: So a consistent tournament that has recurring editions shouldn't seed players based on their performance in previous editions of their tournament? What should they seed people based on, then? It's the only consistent way they can do that is fair and all, but it doesn't account for abilities of people who haven't played in GSL Code A/S. That said, it's only a bit of an issue because SC2 is a very new game and many breakthrough players come out while previous top performers slump and perform poorly. Again, it's not a big deal and they will prove themselves over time, and we get to see groups of death where the current best players face off the BW/future best players. Again, time is the great equalizer. Plus I did say it would be unfair in any other way, the GSL system isn't a perfect reflection of players' skills but what in the world is perfect anything of anything anyway? That said the discretionary Code S seeds are not exactly in line with fair (performance in foreign tournaments and Q1 2011 GSL are not really comparable to recent GSL performances) but it means we get to watch more foreigners (get stomped, most likely). | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
I especially hope we don't see him leave a game too soon that decides whether or not he stays Code S, advances etc. It seems he's really gotten a hold on his mental deal lately, and if he can get over his mentality totally (see IdrA vs NesTea and then IdrA vs Leenock) I'd expect to see him preform extremely well. | ||
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hunts
United States2113 Posts
On December 29 2011 10:56 ES.Genie wrote: Just like he owned NASL and WCG? Stop hyping Idra and Sen. They have shown nothing in Korea. So far they (+ huk and jinro) are the only foreigners to have shown anything in korea. Also it may have been just 1 or 2 seasons of code S, but he did well enough in the open tournaments to get into code S in the first place, which still counts as doing quite well in korea. | ||
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GodOfWar
870 Posts
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Checkm8
Japan627 Posts
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phANT1m
South Africa535 Posts
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GodOfWar
870 Posts
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Olinimm
1471 Posts
On December 29 2011 12:27 GodOfWar wrote: And I do hope MC picks IdrA, that would already be the most genius thing of the season. He can't because selections aren't till ro16. | ||
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Forikorder
Canada8840 Posts
On December 29 2011 12:28 Olinimm wrote: He can't because selections aren't till ro16. and noway MC is getting to Ro16 maybe Zenio will get a chance to pick IdrA although maybe gom will have a seperate drawing where palyers get to compete to see who gets to pick IdrA cause he has some history with alot of the palyers on that list | ||
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Olinimm
1471 Posts
On December 29 2011 13:05 Forikorder wrote: and noway MC is getting to Ro16 maybe Zenio will get a chance to pick IdrA although maybe gom will have a seperate drawing where palyers get to compete to see who gets to pick IdrA cause he has some history with alot of the palyers on that list Yeah no way a guy who got to the semifinals of Blizzard Cup and made it to the ro16 last season is going to make it to the round of 16...Wouldn't be a good match anyway, MC stomping Idra is getting kind of old by now. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
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jkc
United States83 Posts
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The Final Boss
United States1839 Posts
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Stallion
New Zealand67 Posts
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Ansinjunger
United States2451 Posts
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Nightkaira
Singapore412 Posts
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GodOfWar
870 Posts
On December 29 2011 13:52 Nightkaira wrote: What if the first game is ForGG vs IMMvp .... hmmmmmmmmm epicness | ||
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
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SHOOG
United States1639 Posts
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masakenji
Australia415 Posts
On December 29 2011 13:52 Nightkaira wrote: What if the first game is ForGG vs IMMvp .... hmmmmmmmmm ill bet that fin will be 2-0ed by mvp. mvp only loses to the combined efforts of MMA and the slayers house . OGS aint really known to have any real strategist for tvt. | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
Also, so excited to see forGG. | ||
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hyperknight
294 Posts
On another note, too bad Ro32 is a random draw. I would love to see who pics ForGG aka Fin and gets destroyed by him. I predict forGG to win Code S at least once in 2012. | ||
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NeThZOR
South Africa7387 Posts
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randomsaint
42 Posts
On December 29 2011 14:44 Mortal wrote: Tier 2- What is InCa even doing there? Sure he came in second once, but like, he's not good (he played PvP, his one good matchup, to get there). Also, so excited to see forGG. Why do people always love to say Inca rode his PvP to the GSL Finals? Because Artosis wouldn't stop saying it leading into the actual finals? He beat Huk in a best of one before Huk was as good as he has recently shown (not to mention people love to say PvP is Huk's worst but I won't really comment on that) and Killer in his worst matchup by far. The majority of his journey to the finals was PvT. I could understand if his entire bracket was PvPs or something but come on. | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10340 Posts
It seems like a good decision, as it should prevent MC from picking the strongest group and droping into Code B. At least in the Ro32. I'm not familiar with this, but are you just joking around because MC always picks hard opponents into his groups? Also, so this changed again? Or is it just the picking/nominations that is changed/announced? Because I remember there being group stages for Ro32 and Ro16 in GSL Novermber as well, right? Hmm. I will sort of miss those VODs of them picking, lol. But it's ok I guess. Also, OH GOD. TIER LISTS. Jk. They seem pretty cool for starcraft. SLAYERSBOXER IN TIER 3! NICE | ||
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Reasonable
Ukraine1432 Posts
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ratzp0li
United States340 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10340 Posts
Edit: Nevermind! 32 Code S players will be divided into 4 groups. - Tier 1 : Top 8 players of GSL November - Tier 2 : Among the 32 Code S players, top 8 players of 2011 GSL point ranking except Tier 1 - Tier 3 : Among the 32 Code S players, next top 8 players of 2011 GSL point ranking except Tier 1 and Tier 2 - Tier 4 : 2011 GSL Point Ranking next top 8 players except Tier 1, Tier 2, and Tier 3 I'm not sure about giving so much weight at the most recent tournament. But there's supposed to be 1 of each tier in each group anyways, so i guess whether or not one player is better (AKA more GSL points) is not the point. | ||
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Olinimm
1471 Posts
On December 29 2011 14:59 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Also I do not understand how they picked the Tiers? It's not the GSL ranking, right? Tier 1 seems to be picked all just by GSL November. But then why is Inca in Tier 2? He wasn't even in Code S for November? It's ranking points. | ||
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Golbat
United States499 Posts
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dekarp
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10340 Posts
On December 29 2011 15:11 Golbat wrote: I can't be the only one excited for idra/zenio The best group? Idra Boxer Zenio. 4th player I'm not sure lol. MC? haha Darn that's not possible. Well, if Idra/Zenio or Idra/MC would be cool. Too bad no Boxer/Idra lol. | ||
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mtn
729 Posts
On December 29 2011 15:13 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: The best group? Idra Boxer Zenio. 4th player I'm not sure lol. MC? haha Darn that's not possible. Well, if Idra/Zenio or Idra/MC would be cool. Too bad no Boxer/Idra lol. Well, 4 people advance from every group. So there is a chance of Idra/ Boxer / Zenio and MC. | ||
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Golbat
United States499 Posts
On December 29 2011 15:16 mtn wrote: Well, 4 people advance from every group. So there is a chance of Idra/ Boxer / Zenio and MC. 2 people advance from every group. There are 4-person groups. | ||
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viii
United States266 Posts
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Brotatolol
United States1742 Posts
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randomsaint
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Olinimm
1471 Posts
On December 29 2011 15:22 viii wrote: In tier 3 there is no protoss, i think idra can swoosh through it, with the exception of bomber and drg Guys, the tiers aren't the groups. Seriously, please actually read the post on GOMTV. Every person from the same tier will be in a separate group, I.E. 8 groups of four. | ||
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Thomasmarkle
United States85 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Once Ro32 is done and we have 16 players left, the top 4 GSL 2011 points holders (MVP, Nestea, MC, MMA assuming they make it) will get each be put in groups A, B, C, D and gets to choose the 2nd player for their group. This is going to be important because although all 32 players are really strong, there are still some weaker players. But when you get to Ro16, the skill levels will just be so close that matchups are going to be very important. | ||
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DieterEilts
Germany283 Posts
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Mr Showtime
United States1353 Posts
Yes..... for there results (*using an entire lack of sarcasm*) | ||
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FidoDido
United States1292 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
Although people will say he would be crazy to pick fOrGG, statistically, fOrGG is weakest vs Zerg although it is hard to tell with him since he has so few games played (his zerg losses were in the Korean Weekly). But I think it could happen. | ||
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CrimsonSpire
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randomsaint
42 Posts
On December 29 2011 15:55 vthree wrote: Leenock's pick is going to be interesting. He won't pick Gumiho and Lucky since they are on the same team. Doubt he wants to play Curious in ZvZ. vP is his weak matchup so he has Sen and fOrGG. Sen could be Jjakji's pick and ZvZ is pretty volatile. I hope you know the Ro32 has no picking, it's random. | ||
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ZasZ.
United States2911 Posts
On December 29 2011 15:59 randomsaint wrote: I hope you know the Ro32 has no picking, it's random. The GSL champion and runner up pick their first opponent from Tier 4 I hope you know the Champion and Runner-up pick their first group member. And yes, Leenock's pick will be very interesting. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44319 Posts
The tiers of 32 have 8 Protosses, 9 Zergs, and 15 Terrans. With Terran as half of Code S, have the race ratios improved at all? | ||
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tpmraven
United States833 Posts
Nestea DRG ForGG Now that would be one hella group of death... | ||
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hzflank
United Kingdom2991 Posts
On December 29 2011 16:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I like this format; I'm excited to see how it will play out The tiers of 32 have 8 Protosses, 9 Zergs, and 15 Terrans. With Terran as half of Code S, have the race ratios improved at all? The race ratios have improved massively. There have been 20+ terrans in code S recently. | ||
nimdil
Poland3748 Posts
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striderxxx
Canada443 Posts
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CrimsonSpire
9 Posts
On December 29 2011 16:47 nimdil wrote: Funny, Boxer is probably the weakest player here :O Maybe, but he's still the person I'm rooting for. | ||
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Lovedoll
Japan540 Posts
But I'm still going to miss the Ro32 Group Selections. Those 2-3 hours of occasional drama and trash talking were something I looked forward to every new season of GSL. | ||
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CrimsonSpire
9 Posts
On December 29 2011 16:52 Lovedoll wrote: I love how the random drawings aren't completely random with the tier system in play. It's a great way to make each of the groups somewhat balanced. But I'm still going to miss the Ro32 Group Selections. Those 2-3 hours of occasional drama and trash talking were something I looked forward to every new season of GSL. Let's not forget the Jinro incident. God that was hilarious. | ||
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RoachCoach
Netherlands58 Posts
On December 29 2011 17:04 CrimsonSpire wrote: Let's not forget the Jinro incident. God that was hilarious. And sooo awkward hahaha | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
how many slayers are in code s? MMA, Puzzle, Ganzi, Boxer, Yugioh and Brown. So 6 Slayers and I guess 0.5 for Idra (EG/Slayers). Would be funny to have Idra is same group with MMA or Ganzi. Then none of the Slayers terrans will help him practice... Also, I think another reason we see Code S being stronger than ever is because of the format. In the previous format, we had people that went 1W-2L from the previous season still in Code S. Now we have 1) Top 8 last season 2) Top 16 last season and then winning in the final round of Code A 3) 17-32 Code S that dropped to Code A last season but won several rounds in Code A 4) New players who went from B to A to S 5) Up and Down Winners (some who went 5-0, 4-0, 4-1, etc and at a minimum 3-2,2-2) 6) The 2 foreign seeds So everyone is on a 'winning streak' of sorts. Guess the people that went 3-2,2-2 can be viewed as the weakest at the moment (Boxer, Inca, JYP) and Idra and Sen since it is hard to gauge their level vs Koreans. | ||
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
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Golbat
United States499 Posts
On December 29 2011 17:17 CoR wrote: is there a reason idra is tier 3 and sen tier 4 ? Idra played in the GSL in January, and so he has enough ranking points to be placed in tier 3 | ||
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Lysanias
Netherlands8351 Posts
And i know short term win would be money from foreign fans, particulary smart to do that in January, so foks can get a GSL pass for the entire year, but that makes you really really profit focused without thinking to far ahead. | ||
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CrimsonSpire
9 Posts
On December 29 2011 17:36 Lysanias wrote: So i see all deserving spots but 2, i just can't agree on inviting foreigners right into code S, makes GSL feel very gimmicky. And i know short term win would be money from foreign fans, particulary smart to do that in January, so foks can get a GSL pass for the entire year, but that makes you really really profit focused without thinking to far ahead. Can't say I agree with seeds, although, wasn't Idra Code S before he left? That said, I can agree with seeds from winning other big name tournaments, but not just being put in for the sake of being put in. Foreigners in Code S? Awesome, but make them earn it somehow. | ||
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Uncultured
United States1340 Posts
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Aserrin
Uruguay231 Posts
Besides that, inb4 BoxeR gets a group made of Leenock/Nestea/BoxeR/Fin. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
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Spykiller
Norway87 Posts
not only the personal grudge between them but the EG vs Liquid rivalry over best foreign team.I dont really know if they have a rivalry, but in my head they do | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
On December 29 2011 18:18 vthree wrote: Actually, gomtv has always listed Oz as FXO_z. So kind of makes sense for them to have him as 'Z' Kind of...would they call Optikzero "ptikzero" though? :-/ | ||
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DarkCore
Germany4194 Posts
It seems like a good decision, as it should prevent MC from picking the strongest group and droping into Code B. At least in the Ro32. I would like at least one Protoss to get into the Ro8 at least. MC has shown some improvement, but I think there are some better Toss players (Puzzle has great TvP, I've watched some of his latest games, and they're great). | ||
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Kazius
Israel1456 Posts
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
who is Z never heard of this guy and he made it to semisthats what happens if you dont watch gsl for 1 season lol omg lol nevermind its oz im too stupid for the gsl process of thinking without clantag | ||
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JustARandom
Germany12 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On December 29 2011 16:02 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I like this format; I'm excited to see how it will play out The tiers of 32 have 8 Protosses, 9 Zergs, and 15 Terrans. With Terran as half of Code S, have the race ratios improved at all? There were like 4 protoss and 5 zerg at one point :D | ||
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Dattish
Sweden6297 Posts
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Sadform
United Kingdom79 Posts
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FuRong
New Zealand3089 Posts
- Either Sen or Idra actually makes it out of their group - Inca back in Code A where he belongs - Leenock, Forgg and Bomber in the ro8 - A non TvT final | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On December 29 2011 20:10 MrCon wrote: There were like 4 protoss and 5 zerg at one point :D exactly one year ago the race ratio was 9 P 14 T 9 Z so we have basically gotten back to where it all began | ||
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Fjodorov
5007 Posts
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Aando
1304 Posts
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Sableyeah
Netherlands2119 Posts
Anyways good good good format. | ||
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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Ballack
Norway821 Posts
Nice system, and I love seeing Boxer in code S! | ||
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CptGrackSparrow
United States278 Posts
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thezanursic
5479 Posts
On December 29 2011 00:14 TeMiL wrote: GSL now is A and S together right? thats why we see Idra and Sen in those tiers? Idra and Sen got a S spot not A | ||
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Kuskinator
United Kingdom43 Posts
On December 29 2011 22:26 CptGrackSparrow wrote: I fully expect gom to put MC or Zenio in Idra's group. It's random drawing to a point. They make good story lines (idra vs zenio or nada vs boxer), even out the race distrubution then randomize from there. It doesn't matter if the groups truly are random or completely handpicked by GOM off-screen - people are going to yell that it's a fix in order to boost their revenues like in the Open Seasons. I would personally love to see the draw live, not only to prevent the possibility of a "fix" but also because I like watching draws (as others have mentioned - CL draws, Euro's/WC draws etc). It adds excitement just like the group picking ceremony does, just without the banter (which we'll see next round anyway). | ||
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Niso
Australia148 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
I know DongRaeGu's main accomplishment and claim to fame was the GSTL, but I feel he should be higher :/ The tiers were not subjective. There were based on GSL points from the individual leagues in 2011. And unfortunately, DRG didn't do that well in the 2 he was in (Ro16, Ro32) and Blizzard Cup didn't have points assigned. That is why he is in Tier 3. | ||
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B.I.G.
3251 Posts
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framtidenskrig
Sweden92 Posts
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ContactKilla
United States194 Posts
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skrotcyk
Sweden432 Posts
On December 30 2011 01:08 ContactKilla wrote: Omg MMA and MVP same group. That sucks what? did u even read the post? MMA and MVP will NOT be in the same group since they are in the same tier. /facepalm On December 30 2011 01:00 framtidenskrig wrote: Lol, IdrA gotta love this group lol ^^ the groups aren't even released? | ||
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Orome
Switzerland11984 Posts
I know they're not broadcasting it, but did they say anywhere when the groups will be published? Actually, when will the new GSL season start? | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On December 30 2011 01:00 framtidenskrig wrote: Lol, IdrA gotta love this group lol ^^ where are the groups? | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
i wonder who leenock and jjakii will choose to play. | ||
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skrotcyk
Sweden432 Posts
On December 30 2011 01:20 aintz wrote: a lot of people on this forum cant read skrotcyk. i wonder who leenock and jjakii will choose to play. Yeah I can see that ;/ I'm starting to slightly lose my faith in humanity.... | ||
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Season
United States301 Posts
It added a certain pizzaz that other sports do not have | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On December 30 2011 01:26 NasD wrote: Meh, I always enjoy the group picks It added a certain pizzaz that other sports do not have Like players calling eachother out for reading books (lol) | ||
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mr.grimm
Sweden63 Posts
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
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MrCash
United States1504 Posts
Hopefully this trend of always better players will continue. Won't be able to miss a day or have time to even play starcraft eventually... | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On December 30 2011 01:44 mr.grimm wrote: As everyone else I'm excited about fOrGG killing nerds. I'm really Curious on how he'll do in code S. Code S has a pretty big skill barrier, even if its not easily visible at first sight. I'm sure forgg has skill, but I can't wait to see him in code S. His code A run was quite good tho, at that time I thought that Sage was a harder opponent than Polt, but history proved me wrong with Polt still good and Sage not good anymore. Can't wait to see his group. This code S season has me excited more than any tournament in sc2 so far. | ||
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BraneSC2
United States123 Posts
...and HOTS (kinda) soon too! | ||
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 30 2011 04:33 Lobotomist wrote: Who is Z? protoss player, forth spot down. Is this a typo? Oz | ||
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
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Nazeron
Canada1046 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 30 2011 04:45 Lobotomist wrote: oh. Duh. Well now I feel dumb. It's ok, GOM is the dumb one for not knowing his ID :p. | ||
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aintz
Canada5624 Posts
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FunnelC4kes
Ireland462 Posts
Also, bo3 = super happy fun times! | ||
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Mista_Masta
Netherlands557 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On December 30 2011 05:32 aintz wrote: his id is FXO_z so. But the announcer calls him Oj??????? | ||
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nn42
Sweden18 Posts
I think it would be better to have first season completely randomized, after that you can start seeding. OR you seed from 2011, but then you value each month equal. | ||
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Norris_is_GODLY
United Kingdom46 Posts
i'd actually leak a bit of semen | ||
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diophan
United States1018 Posts
On December 30 2011 06:25 nn42 wrote: so, for some reason gsl november is infinitely higher valued than the rest of the year?? I think it would be better to have first season completely randomized, after that you can start seeding. OR you seed from 2011, but then you value each month equal. I imagine it's a combination of giving more of a bonus for doing well in the previous season, and the previous season having more to do with someone's current skill than results from a long time ago. | ||
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epicdemic
Netherlands137 Posts
Koreans can't say the z, so they say Oj instead of Oz. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Oz | ||
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Predguin
Canada188 Posts
No underscore, and I remember even when he was playing in the GSTL they called him "z", and at MLG Anaheim I think it was Husky that queried if his name was actually 'z'. I'm pretty sure he's still called Twilight as well. Hak Soo wins the award for the most inconsistently-named player ever. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On December 30 2011 08:07 Predguin wrote: It's FXOz. No underscore, and I remember even when he was playing in the GSTL they called him "z", and at MLG Anaheim I think it was Husky that queried if his name was actually 'z'. I'm pretty sure he's still called Twilight as well. Hak Soo wins the award for the most inconsistently-named player ever. Well optikzero's id is FXOptikzero instead of FXOoptikzero so I think it's Oz | ||
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Tanuki
Russian Federation51 Posts
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
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DanielSe
Germany38 Posts
mvp nestea DRG forGG | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
On December 30 2011 09:09 DanielSe wrote: possible group mvp nestea DRG forGG Dear god that group would be amazing | ||
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jaminski
England84 Posts
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
so, for some reason gsl november is infinitely higher valued than the rest of the year?? I think it would be better to have first season completely randomized, after that you can start seeding. OR you seed from 2011, but then you value each month equal. Actually, the reason Tier 1 is Ro8 from Nov because that was how it worked previously. The Ro8 players from the previous rounds were place in seperate groups (actually, they could pick their own group number). But instead of picking the players in their groups, only Jjajki and Leenock get to pick and rest in Randomize. But in order to have more balanced groups, they are using 2011 ranking points. Although 2011 rankings might not actually reflect the player's current skill level, they had to use something and I guess it is as good as any. | ||
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
IdrA vs Nestea Sen vs jjakji gg And Keen vs NaDa, leenock vs forgg lol | ||
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Detrimentally
United States78 Posts
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simmeh
Canada2511 Posts
nestea mvp lucky ouch for idra | ||
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garlicface
Canada4196 Posts
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phathom321
United States1730 Posts
On December 30 2011 14:55 Detrimentally wrote: Group C is amazing. Lucky is not so lucky lol | ||
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Daeno
Canada76 Posts
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Ciraxis
Australia400 Posts
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Debian
Canada95 Posts
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Kuskinator
United Kingdom43 Posts
On December 30 2011 18:39 Debian wrote: Can someone please explain to me how this works? If it's Tier 1 vs Tier 4 and Tier 3 vs Tier 2 will we only see Leenock vs ForGG (Fin) and SuperNova vs MC and the winners of that advance to the round of 16? or am I misunderstanding this. I would imagine it would then be winner vs winner and loser vs loser so someone advances, and someone else is knocked out - then winner of the losers match vs loser of winners match for who takes the 2nd spot in group. This is the same the last 2 (I think?) seasons group stages. | ||
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Chunhyang
Bangladesh1389 Posts
Will it stay this way? Why not base tiering on last season's results? The current GSL system creates a situation were player tounament starting positions are very dynamic. It's very volatile. A "previous results" tiering which immediately rewards the short term results seems more in tune with this than a long term and relatively more static "total GSL points" system. | ||
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ThePhasE
Romania12 Posts
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jobber123rd
United States501 Posts
On December 31 2011 19:29 ThePhasE wrote: i know i've been out for some time but what happened to HUK?gave up gsl? No, he just got knocked into Code A from the Up & Down matches. | ||
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Flying Potato
United States77 Posts
On December 31 2011 21:11 jobber123rd wrote: No, he just got knocked into Code A from the Up & Down matches. Made me sad to see HuK fall into Code A, I'm very new to the GSL, but doesn't HuK normally make it into Code S? Oh well, get a pass people! The GSL is good! :D | ||
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antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
On January 02 2012 14:11 Flying Potato wrote: Made me sad to see HuK fall into Code A, I'm very new to the GSL, but doesn't HuK normally make it into Code S? Oh well, get a pass people! The GSL is good! :D He stayed on code S for a long time, but it was halfdue to his skill and the rest luck(imo, but I'm not his greatest fan). | ||
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FlyingDike
United States221 Posts
On January 02 2012 14:18 antilyon wrote: He stayed on code S for a long time, but it was halfdue to his skill and the rest luck(imo, but I'm not his greatest fan). I agree, the previous GSL system made it easier for lesser skilled players in code S to stay in code S. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On January 02 2012 14:18 antilyon wrote: He stayed on code S for a long time, but it was halfdue to his skill and the rest luck(imo, but I'm not his greatest fan). Well since a fairly sizable amount of pro's over in korea consider him best protoss in world then if he doesnt deserve code S than what protoss does? | ||
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Olinimm
1471 Posts
On January 02 2012 14:26 Adreme wrote: Well since a fairly sizable amount of pro's over in korea consider him best protoss in world then if he doesnt deserve code S than what protoss does? Which pros? Maybe right after MLG orlando, but now he's been putting up poor performances and dropped to Code A so he certainly isn't the best Protoss. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On January 02 2012 14:28 Olinimm wrote: Which pros consider him best Protoss in the world? Maybe right after MLG orlando, but now he's been putting up poor performances and dropped to Code A so he certainly isn't the best Protoss. Off the top of my head I can remember both Leenock and MVP giving interviews saying so. | ||
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Olinimm
1471 Posts
On January 02 2012 14:32 Adreme wrote: Off the top of my head I can remember both Leenock and MVP giving interviews saying so. Link? I don't remember that. Edit: yeah that's what I thought ;p. | ||
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azninvzn
United States10 Posts
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darcevader88
Canada648 Posts
On January 03 2012 20:07 azninvzn wrote: wait. wat's forgg's in game name now? oGsFin | ||
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bbm
United Kingdom1320 Posts
On January 02 2012 14:26 Adreme wrote: Well since a fairly sizable amount of pro's over in korea consider him best protoss in world then if he doesnt deserve code S than what protoss does? brown and parting are both ridiculously good, and have claimed new code s spots this season, very deservedly. Puzzle, genius, and oz are also incredible. Inca shouldn't be in code s. And JYP, well, I don't think he should be in code s while terran is still there, but I don't think he's not deserving of code s as such. Huk is a great protoss, but he deserved to drop to code a, if only because of his jetsetting lifestyle of tournaments all over the world every week. You just can't stay in tip top form if you do that. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
On January 03 2012 20:17 bbm wrote: brown and parting are both ridiculously good, and have claimed new code s spots this season, very deservedly. Puzzle, genius, and oz are also incredible. Inca shouldn't be in code s. And JYP, well, I don't think he should be in code s while terran is still there, but I don't think he's not deserving of code s as such. Huk is a great protoss, but he deserved to drop to code a, if only because of his jetsetting lifestyle of tournaments all over the world every week. You just can't stay in tip top form if you do that. Brown and Parting are kinda new to the scene. I love to watch them play, but if we call a player 'best protoss in the world' because of a good month, we'll have a new best protoss every month. Puzzle, Genius and Oz are waay too inconsistent and JYP - well, you said it, PvT is part of the game as well. The reason HuK is seen as the best protoss in the world is the fact that he's very consistent in his performances. Sure, he has his ups and downs, but usually he can compete with the best and he's been doing that for like a year now. I'm not even a big fan of HuK, but noone comes even close to him in terms of consistency. Other players have impressed me a lot more in some of their games, but then they have games where they look like bronze scrubs. That never happens with HuK. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Gecko4lif
United States42 Posts
Strange I havent heard of Z yet he got to ro4 | ||
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smema
United States6 Posts
Strange I havent heard of Z yet he got to ro4 I was confused at first too, but then I realized it was FXOz. They just took the team tag off. | ||
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bbm
United Kingdom1320 Posts
On January 03 2012 20:26 Mandalor wrote: Brown and Parting are kinda new to the scene. I love to watch them play, but if we call a player 'best protoss in the world' because of a good month, we'll have a new best protoss every month. Puzzle, Genius and Oz are waay too inconsistent and JYP - well, you said it, PvT is part of the game as well. The reason HuK is seen as the best protoss in the world is the fact that he's very consistent in his performances. Sure, he has his ups and downs, but usually he can compete with the best and he's been doing that for like a year now. I'm not even a big fan of HuK, but noone comes even close to him in terms of consistency. Other players have impressed me a lot more in some of their games, but then they have games where they look like bronze scrubs. That never happens with HuK. Yeah, I see your points, and agree with all of them... I guess there isn't really a best protoss at the moment is what I'm feeling. HuK could easily come back and become a killer toss but atm we'll have to wait and see I guess. | ||
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