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xZiGGY
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom801 Posts
December 23 2011 11:01 GMT
#121
568 cc of stout, stat!
Meh.
Suikakuju
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany238 Posts
December 23 2011 11:13 GMT
#122
Nice read man!

Also great read but for fighting games -.- I think both apply´s

http://shoryuken.com/2011/11/29/six-psychological-tips-to-help-you-level-up-your-game-faster-part-1/
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Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
December 23 2011 11:17 GMT
#123
Thankyou mate, you have helped me a lot with this article. <3
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
December 23 2011 11:34 GMT
#124
I'm definitely getting an ass zerg tattoo :D
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
Tanag
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada204 Posts
December 23 2011 16:37 GMT
#125
Great post, a very interesting read.
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Dude.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States94 Posts
December 24 2011 01:41 GMT
#126
This is such an awesome post. These underlying strategies and concepts can be applied to so many other situations. Also, your writing style is perfect for taking notes from, thank you for that. I plan on musing over these ideas for quite a while.

Thank you so much for taking the time and effort to write this. =D (BME student here)
blumberry
Profile Joined March 2011
2 Posts
December 24 2011 02:05 GMT
#127
I would like to add a note that worked for me, at least partially. Use the custom games for 1v1 obs and just join every match that comes up. If you're lower level, there is a chance you could play masters or a higher skill. More than likely, you'd get stomped. This helps the feeling of a loss being a bad thing because it makes it feel like something that will happen no matter what, allowing you to focus on the strategy and what you are actually doing in the game.
Fiendish
Profile Joined April 2010
United States210 Posts
December 24 2011 02:17 GMT
#128
i like your style!
MingusDew
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States77 Posts
December 27 2011 16:42 GMT
#129
Great post - a very informative read. Lately I've been fostering a growing interest in Positive Psych by watching Tal Ben-Shahar's lectures from Harvard and reading about CBT so I found this to be a wonderfully engrossing post, especially since I've been trying to apply what I've been learning to Starcraft (as well as other facets of my life).
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Diks
Profile Joined January 2010
Belgium1880 Posts
December 27 2011 17:21 GMT
#130
this post is awesome. Highly informative and accurate.
Thank you.
brxnd0n
Profile Joined September 2010
United States42 Posts
December 27 2011 17:29 GMT
#131
you have hit the nail on the head with this post.

great read.
abyssGaming
Chamby
Profile Joined September 2011
United States32 Posts
December 27 2011 17:49 GMT
#132
this is a great read. i have had anxiety all my life and playing SC2 definitely has a certain anxiety level associated with it. some of the tips in this article will definitely be helpful while playing on the ladder
Shallot
Profile Joined September 2011
United States58 Posts
December 27 2011 18:08 GMT
#133
Thank you, OP.. very well informed article, and I will be considering all your points as frequently as possible, not only while laddering, but in all aspects of life.
A shallot is the love child of garlic and onion.
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
December 27 2011 18:35 GMT
#134
This is a really interesting read. I agree with some other people who said it should be spotlighted.

When I played a lot, I definitely experienced some of the things OP described. Not the adrenaline so much, but more the difficulty separating current skill and future skill, and separating my self skill appraisal from overall ego value. I still forced myself to play through it, and it did get better. Actually practicing and improving my skill helped a lot, since I got positive feedback as I advanced in leagues. Once I plateaued at high-ish diamond, I still could play ladder games without too much anxiety since I knew that my "current skill" was higher than it had been in the past as the result of my own efforts.

However, when I was home for summer break I couldn't play due to a slow Internet connection. Since then, I've been having troubles with anxiety because all that positive feedback has become negative; my "current skill" is lower than it has been, and thus I lose to players and strategies that I "should beat." Hopefully some of the things in the OP here will help me get back into it.

@OP: are you finishing undergrad, or a phd or master's? This is more in depth into the therapy/coping side of things than I would expect undergrad psych classes to go, but I can't imagine someone finishing a grad degree would have enough time to put together something so detailed and long.

One last thing: I love your suggestion that players who can ignore balance issues will be happier than those who think about them, blame their losses on them, or complain about them. Case in point: the happiest person in Starcraft, Day[9].
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awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-27 18:52:24
December 27 2011 18:50 GMT
#135
Great read. Hopefully, this will help those who have a hard time pressing that "find match" button.

Personally. I don't ladder a whole lot because I have the opposite problem: "ladder addiction". I purposefully play no more than 3-5 games a day/every other day because I'm afraid I won't stop. Starcraft is too much like Pringles.
I'm a noob
Utinni
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada1196 Posts
December 27 2011 19:14 GMT
#136
On December 28 2011 03:50 awwnuts07 wrote:
Great read. Hopefully, this will help those who have a hard time pressing that "find match" button.

Personally. I don't ladder a whole lot because I have the opposite problem: "ladder addiction". I purposefully play no more than 3-5 games a day/every other day because I'm afraid I won't stop. Starcraft is too much like Pringles.

I guess that is good if you don't want to improve too much.
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Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4133 Posts
December 27 2011 19:59 GMT
#137
I read your really nice and very good post. I have this ladder anxiety
I played Season 1 and 2, then i switched to co-op. I was silver in both seasons, i won around 20 of 30 matches ( i lost all zvz if i remember correctly). I think, my biggest anxiety is that I get stronger opponent later, even if I play better from match to match. I have no ladder or online experience in a other rts game.

After I read your post, i feel much better. I probably play ladder again
Sorry for my bad english, i know my english isn`t good/okay.
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Nolari
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands51 Posts
December 28 2011 08:50 GMT
#138
Very nice write-up! I've linked it from the TL wiki article (Wiki)Dealing with anxiety (might not yet be an approved edit).
LilClinkin
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Australia667 Posts
December 28 2011 09:01 GMT
#139
Fantastic read, thanks TC =D
Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
December 28 2011 09:19 GMT
#140
I have some super intense ladder anxiety >.< Like I could be in the mood to play like 30 games in a row but mentally ill talk myself out of it thinking things like "shit everyone is better then me so ill lose like 20 of those 30 games". Like I even get it after hitting like a 12 game win streak like i did last season. Like I had won 12 in a row an was mentally riding high but out of nowhere instantly the "fuck everyone is better then me" thought game in an the anxiety returned >.<. When I try to play through the anxiety my play suffers quite severely where I lose to a worker rush >.< Ill take the advice from this article to heart but as I usually run on emotion it will be rather hard to remove it from my game >.<
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