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TATTOO
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada33 Posts
July 23 2012 01:36 GMT
#1121
What a shame so many people are butthurt about swearing. lets market starcraft like what it actually is, dudes playing video games for money, by the people who are actually contributers to the community whos passion and work ethic for the game gives the community entertainment. When i hear a caster swear it just goes over my head because curses are some of the most commonly used words in conversation.

There are two reasons why someone would be offended by swearing A, they are a pussy, or B because they are afraid that they are killing esports. (A) will bring you many troubles, (b) will likely not affect the quality of the games and hence your amusement so why do you fucking care? No caster is perfect, i dislike day9 mainly because he seems like some1 i just wouldnt like in the real world, and thats fine. Khaldor ain't perfect but come on let the fucker swear a bit and stop being so salty/fluffy
Trinz
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia72 Posts
July 23 2012 01:37 GMT
#1122
I've never been disappointed by your casting. Khaldor has great energy when casting games and shows a great passion for Starcraft. He's a cool guy and easy to understand and I wouldn't mind having a beer with him one day
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom10024 Posts
July 23 2012 01:44 GMT
#1123
On July 23 2012 09:46 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 09:34 Clefairy wrote:
I think it's the way that Khaldor calls mistakes out that bothers me. Other casters are critical as well but Khaldor rants FOREVER on the one mistake that he latches onto while other more important things are now going on. It's almost to the point of whining especially when they're going over the match after it ends. He dedicates way too much time on the mistakes even when they occur in good games and it kind of kills the mood. Better prioritization of what needs to be said would be nice.

On July 23 2012 08:16 AgentChaos wrote:
if you can just tone down the 'AARRGGGHHHH' after someone lose an engagement

Agree with this as well.


I have to agree with this. These are professional players, and yes, they will make mistakes, but a caster cannot know what the player is thinking when he does it. The mistake could be due to incomplete information of a situation, and given the information he has he was doing the best thing he could. Sometimes, Khaldor makes it seem like these guys just don't know what they're doing. He is consistent about it at least, and i don't notice him giving some players more stick than others. Sometimes i just think if the player had a chance to explain their mistakes, then they could probably explain why it wasn't actually a mistake, but bad luck or bad information.

edit: i think i pretty much quoted Day9 here when he was talking aobut casting (he wasn't talking about Khaldor), but the point is relevent here.


I forgot to even mention that i actually really enjoy his casting. Games often feel so much more epic and enjoyable with Khaldor casting them.
RIP Meatloaf <3
mierin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4945 Posts
July 23 2012 01:47 GMT
#1124
Khaldor has this habit that I really like but others might find annoying. "he's taking base after base!" or "taking down thor after thor"...pretty much X after X.
JD, Stork, Calm, Hyuk Fighting!
Surrealistic
Profile Joined September 2009
311 Posts
July 23 2012 01:57 GMT
#1125
And also the "he wants to really show his best and get to the finals", "he wants to go to Busan", "he wants to win here for his team to go to Busan" etc. I appreciate there's time to fill, but this isn't the radio - there's no dead air.
plogamer
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Canada3132 Posts
July 23 2012 08:13 GMT
#1126
On July 23 2012 10:05 ridethecatbus wrote:
Read post 983 on page 50. You can all stop shitting on Khaldor now. He already said he's done with this thread.

I'm sorry you think this is "shitting" on Khaldor.

I heard his cast where he said that he has to go through tons to BS that he cannot change, like his voice, in a feedback thread.

This isn't one of them. I have nothing against Khaldor personally; voice or otherwise. My post was about something that can be changed. I even made a suggestion towards achieving that.

But hey, it's his loss if he won't take any feedback because there's tons of useless feedbacks. GG, I'm done with this thread too.
Natureboy
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden85 Posts
July 23 2012 12:15 GMT
#1127
Khaldor, I think you should tone down a bit. You keep shouting a bunch, and I kinda feel that the excitement isn't really sincere. There is no dishonour in shouting when you're really excited and the game is really thrilling, but please keep the screaming to those moments. This goes for alot of casters by the way.
Thanks.
Neurosis
Profile Joined October 2010
United States893 Posts
July 23 2012 12:27 GMT
#1128
On July 23 2012 21:15 vonKlaust II wrote:
Khaldor, I think you should tone down a bit. You keep shouting a bunch, and I kinda feel that the excitement isn't really sincere. There is no dishonour in shouting when you're really excited and the game is really thrilling, but please keep the screaming to those moments. This goes for alot of casters by the way.
Thanks.



Agreed, this is extremely annoying and Khaldor is definitely not the only offender.
JustinBieberFanboy
Profile Joined July 2012
Brunei Darussalam9 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-23 12:36:37
July 23 2012 12:35 GMT
#1129
ur awesome, almost better than justin bieber, but right now i still favor him!
HEYALEX
Profile Joined March 2012
United States21 Posts
July 23 2012 15:57 GMT
#1130
On July 23 2012 17:13 plogamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2012 10:05 ridethecatbus wrote:
Read post 983 on page 50. You can all stop shitting on Khaldor now. He already said he's done with this thread.

I'm sorry you think this is "shitting" on Khaldor.

I heard his cast where he said that he has to go through tons to BS that he cannot change, like his voice, in a feedback thread.

This isn't one of them. I have nothing against Khaldor personally; voice or otherwise. My post was about something that can be changed. I even made a suggestion towards achieving that.

But hey, it's his loss if he won't take any feedback because there's tons of useless feedbacks. GG, I'm done with this thread too.


LOL

How can people be satisfied with this level of casting? Here's a game from just a few hours ago:


Cabinet Sanchez
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia1097 Posts
July 24 2012 10:01 GMT
#1131
Khaldor your only failing is you don't say "here is our incredibly hot interview girl Choi Ha-Na" you don't introduce her properly.

nnnnnnnnngggggggggggggGGGGGGGGGGGGG
♥
Sianos
Profile Joined April 2011
580 Posts
July 24 2012 10:36 GMT
#1132
As a former Khaldor hater comming from his german cats filled with balance whines i have to admit that i like his english casting style for code a. There was i time where i just closed the stream when i saw Khaldor casting, but now i am able to watch his casts. He and his partner (do not know his name ^^) are a good combination for casting code a. Sure it´s not as good as tasteless and artosis or day9 and you don´t carry a lot of new information with you, but it´s ok comparable to his former german cats. Kepp up the good work!
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
July 24 2012 13:56 GMT
#1133
Khaldor,

Please take this is constructive criticism. GSL is the best SC2 show, but by paying hundreds of dollars a year to watch I feel the crew should consider the following feedback. Since watching MLG Arena and coming back to Code A I spent some time trying to put my thoughts into words as to why the Code A experience is not as pleasant:

- Chemistry. It feels like wolf is casting with you and you are casting alone. You never ask him questions, you almost never really acknowledge what he said, often times you actually repeat it and try to make it sound your own.

- Cockblocking. When improvising in general or just attempting to act professional on "TV", it is imperative that you don't cockblock your co-host. When Wolf goes off on a rant or makes a joke or whatever, you say things like "okey...." or "what was that" etc. Even if you don't find it funny, it would go a LONG way to acknowledge what he said or even give a charity laugh. It is what every other professional does, and it is what makes people like DJwheat, artosis etc able to cast with just about anyone. Stop trying to make a fool out of wolf and just run with it. If you expose his weaknesses and don't play to his strengths you aren't doing your job right.

- Play by play. I firmly believe you should stop doing so much play by play, at least until you figure out what you can say to adds to the viewer experience. Most of the times you raise your voice, sometimes shouting, and begin to say things that have no meaning or no bearing on the game. Examples are "He is trying to do it", "He is going in" (10 seconds after the battle started), "He wants to make it work", "Oooh, wow, this is bad, this is really bad". I think it would be better if you comment on what is actually happening and/or what the consequences of such an engagement could be. If you aren't comfortable with it, maybe you can let Wolf do it every now and then, because right now you overrun him in that department.

Apart from that it's the same things for you as for 99% of casters or tv/radio hosts. Maybe read some more english to broaden your vocabulary (if you take your job seriously enough, I suppose) and maybe swap out an hour or two of your marathon casting with playing the game or analyzing strategies etc so you have more to bring to the table each cast.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
Demorase
Profile Joined January 2012
136 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-25 20:12:07
July 25 2012 20:00 GMT
#1134
On July 24 2012 22:56 shabby wrote:
Khaldor,

Please take this is constructive criticism. GSL is the best SC2 show, but by paying hundreds of dollars a year to watch I feel the crew should consider the following feedback. Since watching MLG Arena and coming back to Code A I spent some time trying to put my thoughts into words as to why the Code A experience is not as pleasant:

- Chemistry. It feels like wolf is casting with you and you are casting alone. You never ask him questions, you almost never really acknowledge what he said, often times you actually repeat it and try to make it sound your own.

- Cockblocking. When improvising in general or just attempting to act professional on "TV", it is imperative that you don't cockblock your co-host. When Wolf goes off on a rant or makes a joke or whatever, you say things like "okey...." or "what was that" etc. Even if you don't find it funny, it would go a LONG way to acknowledge what he said or even give a charity laugh. It is what every other professional does, and it is what makes people like DJwheat, artosis etc able to cast with just about anyone. Stop trying to make a fool out of wolf and just run with it. If you expose his weaknesses and don't play to his strengths you aren't doing your job right.

- Play by play. I firmly believe you should stop doing so much play by play, at least until you figure out what you can say to adds to the viewer experience. Most of the times you raise your voice, sometimes shouting, and begin to say things that have no meaning or no bearing on the game. Examples are "He is trying to do it", "He is going in" (10 seconds after the battle started), "He wants to make it work", "Oooh, wow, this is bad, this is really bad". I think it would be better if you comment on what is actually happening and/or what the consequences of such an engagement could be. If you aren't comfortable with it, maybe you can let Wolf do it every now and then, because right now you overrun him in that department.

Apart from that it's the same things for you as for 99% of casters or tv/radio hosts. Maybe read some more english to broaden your vocabulary (if you take your job seriously enough, I suppose) and maybe swap out an hour or two of your marathon casting with playing the game or analyzing strategies etc so you have more to bring to the table each cast.


I agree, I can put up with an annoying voice or excessive shouting, but being mean to your co-caster (even if it's unintended-ish) is a real turn off.

Wolf's never once called you out on your mistakes or stopped you cold in your rants or whatever, so why do you always do that to him, Khaldor. This is basic stuff for good social interactions by the way, we shouldn't have to tell you that.

Ask anyone who watches the GSL the top reasons why they watch it, and you will have most likely as the number 1 or number 2 reason "Tasteless and Artosis are just so funny together", just think about it.
tavelscrabble
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden8 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-25 20:58:39
July 25 2012 20:58 GMT
#1135
Hi Khaldor, I don't know if you're still reading this but I was reading the comments on the Gom site for the Slayers vs. TSL GSTL game and I was struck by all the hyper negative shit about the casting (yours and Wolf's) so I wanted to post to let you know I think you're a great caster. I love your passion and especially during the Coca - Hyun game it really made things more exciting, I also disagree with all the stuff about your supposed zerg bias (though I'm zerg myself full disclosure). Also your English is great.

My only problems are with the uncomfortable gay humor which comes across as homophobia (even if it isn't), it doesn;t add anything and really has no place in a starcraft cast. I also don't like the use of the word rape to describe an engagement but I actually can;t recall if you're somebody who does this, its just a widespread problem and really offensive when you consider that there are almost certainly people who have been raped and who have raped watching the cast, judging by rape statistics.
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
July 25 2012 21:09 GMT
#1136
One minor thing: I think that saying "Starting for team ____" is only appropriate when it is the first player in a team league. That's how its used in most other cases, I think. So for example, in code A, I don't think its appropriate to say "Starting _____", or even after the first player in a team league.
P7GAB
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada486 Posts
July 25 2012 21:14 GMT
#1137
doing great, keep it up!
hansmuff
Profile Joined September 2010
United States23 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-25 21:24:20
July 25 2012 21:23 GMT
#1138
shabby's post expresses my remaining criticism better than I could write it out.

At the same time I'm lending my tiny weight to his input, I want to express my gratitude for Khaldor to have improved dramatically since starting Code A.

I really disliked Khaldor initially. The screaming, pitching voice was just getting to me as did the strong accent and lack of any appreciable vocabulary. I was quite upset to pay for the entire GSL season and not being able to watch Code A because the casts were sub-par and unenjoyable to me.

I have started watching his recent casts and come around to saying he has worked on these issues, it's very evident. I can now watch Code A and actually enjoy it.

Additionally, I appreciate Khaldor's work schedule. He casts just about anything, any time he can. Kudos!
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Obsi
Profile Joined June 2011
87 Posts
August 07 2012 13:00 GMT
#1139
I'm not sure what you're focusing on, but I don't think it's talking.. Often times you switch the player names, teams, just everything one could possibly switch and from time to time it's getting really annoying. A casters work is to entertain, state what the players are doing AND to think ahead. I know it's not an easy thing to do and you have to understand the game pretty well but from what I see you dont really talk into the game or if you do so, it's often times even wrong. I don't want to flame, I don't want to hate and I know it's all not easy. Just some things you could improve on. Greets.
Wait what.
GhostFiber
Profile Joined January 2012
Australia88 Posts
August 07 2012 13:11 GMT
#1140
Once again great enthusiasm! Wolf sounds like he is commentating a funeral beside you.
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