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On December 20 2011 14:50 Soma.bokforlag wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 14:13 snowbird wrote:
Hey guys, it was announced at the beginning of GSL November that the up&downs will be part of the next season.
We're also streaming the up&downs for free in HQ, so check em out! the streams really doesnt matter to europeans, we are all at work during the entire streaming time. but i guess thats good for american and asian viewers 
It is not good for most Americans either since it is usually in the middle of the night.
Most of the people complaining are obviously those that watch the VODs. So I don't get why some people keep mentioning the HQ stream.
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The up & downs were already played for the last GSL of 2011. The current up & downs are being played for the first GSL of 2012 therefor part of the 2012 season. I don't understand how people could misconstrue this. Unless they go by the calendar year because it's played in December?
oh wait, Nov? Nevermind then.
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On December 20 2011 14:13 snowbird wrote:
Hey guys, it was announced at the beginning of GSL November that the up&downs will be part of the next season.
We're also streaming the up&downs for free in HQ, so check em out!
Yo snowbird, how about you finally implement those Korean vods for the Up&Down matches you've been promising. Or are you also gonna lie about that?
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On December 20 2011 15:09 ShuttingFromTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 14:13 snowbird wrote:
Hey guys, it was announced at the beginning of GSL November that the up&downs will be part of the next season.
We're also streaming the up&downs for free in HQ, so check em out! Yo snowbird, how about you finally implement those Korean vods for the Up&Down matches you've been promising. Or are you also gonna lie about that?
Wow seriously? Grow up. Things don't always happen in the time frame you want, it doesn't mean he's lying. GOM are good guys working to bring us the best games, we'll wait and see whether or not this is implemented.
EDIT: Sorry, didn't want to sound horrible. As someone has pointed out below they've already changed their VOD viewer to implement this change so it does look like it's coming. Sorry again for telling you to grow up, I'm sure you're just anxious to watch those VODs. Who wouldn't be? Sickest tournament with the sickest games. Well done GOM, looking forward to an awesome new year.
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On December 20 2011 14:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 14:22 Slusher wrote:On December 20 2011 13:23 SFX wrote:On December 20 2011 11:24 Slusher wrote:
at the very top of the page, this image clearly states that up down determines code s/a players for next season. Lets just be honest with each other for a moment, in this tl;dr age if this image makes sense to you, which it did/does to me, would you really read all the text below? Haven't the Up/Down matches always determined the Code S/A players for next season? thats exactly my point, the image imo depicts up and down as part of the current season the way it has been. In the situation that gom in the lower paragraph describes, the image should read that it determines code a and code s for the current season, because if it is first (and included on that ticket) thats exactly what it does. So you are blaming them because you were to lazy to read the paragraph below the image.... I really, really, REALLY don't understand how people are actual upset/blaming GOM? They Clearly announced the changes and are giving free HD stream? The fuck else do people want? John the translator to personally visit you and word by word explain everything? Seriously... That last little rant is not directed completely at you Slusher, just people in this thread in general...
why would you read the writing in an article about the format, when you feel like the image makes sense of the whole thing? regardless of if you think that is lazy or not, the image is STILL wrong.
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On December 20 2011 15:09 ShuttingFromTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 14:13 snowbird wrote:
Hey guys, it was announced at the beginning of GSL November that the up&downs will be part of the next season.
We're also streaming the up&downs for free in HQ, so check em out! Yo snowbird, how about you finally implement those Korean vods for the Up&Down matches you've been promising. Or are you also gonna lie about that?
Instead of being aggressive, you can check that the VOD's now have an Eng/Kor button. Right now it says Korean VOD upload is in progress, but given that they changed their VOD player to include selection buttons it means it's on it's way.
Edited out language.
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On December 20 2011 15:14 NinjaNitrate wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:09 ShuttingFromTheSky wrote:On December 20 2011 14:13 snowbird wrote:
Hey guys, it was announced at the beginning of GSL November that the up&downs will be part of the next season.
We're also streaming the up&downs for free in HQ, so check em out! Yo snowbird, how about you finally implement those Korean vods for the Up&Down matches you've been promising. Or are you also gonna lie about that? Wow seriously? Grow up. Things don't always happen in the time frame you want, it doesn't mean he's lying. GOM are good guys working to bring us the best games, we'll wait and see whether or not this is implemented.
First of all GOM are no good guys. They're a company like every other who just try to make money. Second, I paid a bunch of money to GOM and now I want the stuff in return which was promised. They have shown in the past that they can make fast decisions in other aspects so I expect the same here.
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On December 20 2011 15:16 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 14:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On December 20 2011 14:22 Slusher wrote:On December 20 2011 13:23 SFX wrote:On December 20 2011 11:24 Slusher wrote:
at the very top of the page, this image clearly states that up down determines code s/a players for next season. Lets just be honest with each other for a moment, in this tl;dr age if this image makes sense to you, which it did/does to me, would you really read all the text below? Haven't the Up/Down matches always determined the Code S/A players for next season? thats exactly my point, the image imo depicts up and down as part of the current season the way it has been. In the situation that gom in the lower paragraph describes, the image should read that it determines code a and code s for the current season, because if it is first (and included on that ticket) thats exactly what it does. So you are blaming them because you were to lazy to read the paragraph below the image.... I really, really, REALLY don't understand how people are actual upset/blaming GOM? They Clearly announced the changes and are giving free HD stream? The fuck else do people want? John the translator to personally visit you and word by word explain everything? Seriously... That last little rant is not directed completely at you Slusher, just people in this thread in general... why would you read the writing in an article about the format, when you feel like the image makes sense of the whole thing? regardless of if you think that is lazy or not, the image is STILL wrong.
The image is not wrong at all. you just mins interpreted it. Which is why they have a paragraph below it to explain it! The bottom line here is that they DID announce the changes before the start of the season. and yet people are still bitching which I find fucking laughable.
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On December 20 2011 15:17 ShuttingFromTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:14 NinjaNitrate wrote:On December 20 2011 15:09 ShuttingFromTheSky wrote:On December 20 2011 14:13 snowbird wrote:
Hey guys, it was announced at the beginning of GSL November that the up&downs will be part of the next season.
We're also streaming the up&downs for free in HQ, so check em out! Yo snowbird, how about you finally implement those Korean vods for the Up&Down matches you've been promising. Or are you also gonna lie about that? Wow seriously? Grow up. Things don't always happen in the time frame you want, it doesn't mean he's lying. GOM are good guys working to bring us the best games, we'll wait and see whether or not this is implemented. First of all GOM are no good guys. They're a company like every other who just try to make money. Second, I paid a bunch of money to GOM and now I want the stuff in return which was promised. They have shown in the past that they can make fast decisions in other aspects so I expect the same here.
Fast decisions are a little bit different to taking all the Korean VODs and setting them up for us to view. It's a completely different thing so please don't be upset by that. GOM are pretty good guys, yes, all companies want to make money, but that doesn't mean they've lied to you or that it makes them no good. It seems the product is on the way. Hopefully it's here soon and you'll be able to get what you paid for.
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On December 20 2011 15:09 ShuttingFromTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 14:13 snowbird wrote:
Hey guys, it was announced at the beginning of GSL November that the up&downs will be part of the next season.
We're also streaming the up&downs for free in HQ, so check em out! Yo snowbird, how about you finally implement those Korean vods for the Up&Down matches you've been promising. Or are you also gonna lie about that?
Edit was already corrected etc. no need to beat a dead horse.
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On December 20 2011 15:23 Necro)Phagist( wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:16 Slusher wrote:On December 20 2011 14:35 Necro)Phagist( wrote:On December 20 2011 14:22 Slusher wrote:On December 20 2011 13:23 SFX wrote:On December 20 2011 11:24 Slusher wrote:
at the very top of the page, this image clearly states that up down determines code s/a players for next season. Lets just be honest with each other for a moment, in this tl;dr age if this image makes sense to you, which it did/does to me, would you really read all the text below? Haven't the Up/Down matches always determined the Code S/A players for next season? thats exactly my point, the image imo depicts up and down as part of the current season the way it has been. In the situation that gom in the lower paragraph describes, the image should read that it determines code a and code s for the current season, because if it is first (and included on that ticket) thats exactly what it does. So you are blaming them because you were to lazy to read the paragraph below the image.... I really, really, REALLY don't understand how people are actual upset/blaming GOM? They Clearly announced the changes and are giving free HD stream? The fuck else do people want? John the translator to personally visit you and word by word explain everything? Seriously... That last little rant is not directed completely at you Slusher, just people in this thread in general... why would you read the writing in an article about the format, when you feel like the image makes sense of the whole thing? regardless of if you think that is lazy or not, the image is STILL wrong. The image is not wrong at all. you just mins interpreted it. Which is why they have a paragraph below it to explain it! The bottom line here is that they DID announce the changes before the start of the season. and yet people are still bitching which I find fucking laughable.
As long as it says Up/down is for next season, then it's not at the beginning. that would be this season.
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On December 20 2011 14:13 snowbird wrote:
Hey guys, it was announced at the beginning of GSL November that the up&downs will be part of the next season.
We're also streaming the up&downs for free in HQ, so check em out!
Why was the cost of GSL November the same as other seasons then, if there was clearly less content? Why was there not a more obvious announcement of the fact that, although you are charging the same amount, you are not delivering the same content (as compared to every other GSL season). Of course, there were announcements about the format changes, but simply based on the number of complaints in this thread alone, the information was clearly not communicated well enough. I personally bought GSL November and am very unhappy that the ticket didn't include Up and Downs despite costing the same amount and despite no obvious mention of the fact that something like this had happened.
So in short, I think you owe it to your customers to deliver the Up/Down VODs to GSL November buyers, simply because you failed to communicate. I've been a customer for every single GSL season and I don't appreciate this.
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On December 20 2011 15:17 ShuttingFromTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:14 NinjaNitrate wrote:On December 20 2011 15:09 ShuttingFromTheSky wrote:On December 20 2011 14:13 snowbird wrote:
Hey guys, it was announced at the beginning of GSL November that the up&downs will be part of the next season.
We're also streaming the up&downs for free in HQ, so check em out! Yo snowbird, how about you finally implement those Korean vods for the Up&Down matches you've been promising. Or are you also gonna lie about that? Wow seriously? Grow up. Things don't always happen in the time frame you want, it doesn't mean he's lying. GOM are good guys working to bring us the best games, we'll wait and see whether or not this is implemented. First of all GOM are no good guys. They're a company like every other who just try to make money. Second, I paid a bunch of money to GOM and now I want the stuff in return which was promised. They have shown in the past that they can make fast decisions in other aspects so I expect the same here.
Guess how much they care what you expect? Maybe you should have read more before you blindly buy something and then complain because you misinterpreted it.
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On December 20 2011 15:47 Zerg-Master wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 14:13 snowbird wrote:
Hey guys, it was announced at the beginning of GSL November that the up&downs will be part of the next season.
We're also streaming the up&downs for free in HQ, so check em out! Why was the cost of GSL November the same as other seasons then, if there was clearly less content? Why was there not a more obvious announcement of the fact that, although you are charging the same amount, you are not delivering the same content (as compared to every other GSL season). Of course, there were announcements about the format changes, but simply based on the number of complaints in this thread alone, the information was clearly not communicated well enough. I personally bought GSL November and am very unhappy that the ticket didn't include Up and Downs despite costing the same amount and despite no obvious mention of the fact that something like this had happened. So in short, I think you owe it to your customers to deliver the Up/Down VODs to GSL November buyers, simply because you failed to communicate. I've been a customer for every single GSL season and I don't appreciate this.
I haven't checked if there is less content. It is the new format so isn't there more games anyway? It's a bit of a weird period since they're changing the system up so much. So I can understand people are frustrated and GOM definitely could have communicated this better, but they didn't fail to communicate it as it has been stated. So it's not completely fair as people have paid expecting Up and Downs, but it's also not fair to ask GOM to give it to you for free.
I could be completely clueless however and people are getting cheated on content. Although it was a pretty good grand finals so I wouldn't feel cheated even if I had just that one series of VODs 
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On December 20 2011 14:55 Takezou wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 14:50 Soma.bokforlag wrote:On December 20 2011 14:13 snowbird wrote:
Hey guys, it was announced at the beginning of GSL November that the up&downs will be part of the next season.
We're also streaming the up&downs for free in HQ, so check em out! the streams really doesnt matter to europeans, we are all at work during the entire streaming time. but i guess thats good for american and asian viewers It is not good for most Americans either since it is usually in the middle of the night. Most of the people complaining are obviously those that watch the VODs. So I don't get why some people keep mentioning the HQ stream.
until now every season have included:
Code S
Code A
Up and Down Matches
which is why the VOD page looks like it does, and why the liquidpedia page looks like it does.. its not strange that i was under that impression
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On December 20 2011 15:09 ShuttingFromTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 14:13 snowbird wrote:
Hey guys, it was announced at the beginning of GSL November that the up&downs will be part of the next season.
We're also streaming the up&downs for free in HQ, so check em out! Yo snowbird, how about you finally implement those Korean vods for the Up&Down matches you've been promising. Or are you also gonna lie about that?
Korean VOD upload takes a bit longer then the upload for the English VODs, because it's a separate process. They should be up soon.
We upload VODs faster than any other league, but haters gotta hate I guess
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On December 20 2011 16:46 snowbird wrote:Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 15:09 ShuttingFromTheSky wrote:On December 20 2011 14:13 snowbird wrote:
Hey guys, it was announced at the beginning of GSL November that the up&downs will be part of the next season.
We're also streaming the up&downs for free in HQ, so check em out! Yo snowbird, how about you finally implement those Korean vods for the Up&Down matches you've been promising. Or are you also gonna lie about that? Korean VOD upload takes a bit longer then the upload for the English VODs, because it's a separate process. They should be up soon. We upload VODs faster than any other league, but haters gotta hate I guess
Thank you Snowbird. You're doing a fantastic job, keep it up! 
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I feel tricked by this. Tacking it at the tail end of a press release is not good enough if all else remains the same.
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On December 20 2011 04:05 Soma.bokforlag wrote:edit: seems there had been a post in the forums on goms webpage about this, so i was wrong Show nested quote +On December 20 2011 04:47 Hibahihi wrote:It seems like this week up and down is part of the next season in 2012. http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8Up&Down Matches
A total of 30 players will compete for 10 spots in Code S. These players consist of 16 players who lost in the Code A Ro 32, 12 players who lost in the Code A Ro24 and 2 seeded players.
5 groups of 6 people will be formed. All players in a group play each other. The Top 2 of each group will advance to Code S, the rest will be Code A for next season. For the 2012 series the season now always starts with the Up&Down matches, the first season of 2012 will therefore begin in late December of 2011 with the first batch of Up&Down matches. i feel tricked though.. but i guess this is to be expected You shouldn't feel tricked. There's also the official GSL November Announcement:
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors7/news/66481
It clarifies that the format will be changed significantly starting from November ("completely revamped format"). From this point on, any expectation based on how the format was in previous seasons should be abandoned and further info to be expected and sought, as posted there.
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This is only a problem for those that don't subscribe continuously into the next season. Otherwise it makes no difference.
This was a bad oversight by GOM but one that will hardly be noticed because of the above fact and the fact that UP/DOWN aren't that popular.
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