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Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
December 19 2011 20:05 GMT
#41
since you pay for 1 tournament, and this isnt a part of that 1 tournament, you don't have any reason to feel tricked
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
December 19 2011 20:15 GMT
#42
Didn't GSL November start before the new GSL format was announced?

If so people expecting up/down matches to be part of the November ticket is clearly understandable and expected.

TBH this can only hurt GOM as people are not going to buy a 2012 season pass just to watch the up/down matches but there maybe people who will decide not to pay GOM because of something like this.

Nighthawks28
Profile Joined June 2011
United States232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 20:24:24
December 19 2011 20:22 GMT
#43
People wish it was more clearly stated since people are use to always having up/down matches with their season ticket. Majority of people don't actually go to the gom forums (which had the detailed info) and the forum info wasn't even linked in their announcement section. When going to the GSL November page, you only see an image of the entire format, including up/down. They should have added something like *Note GSL Nov tickets will not have up/down matches.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 19 2011 20:47 GMT
#44
When they announced the new format (for nov) they posted a huge graphic on the gsl nov mainpage, that is still there to this day, that clearly depicts up/down as part of this season. This season was not cheaper, so I'm getting a week less for no reason? people who don't understand why people are disappointed in this thread must be millionaires.
Carrilord has arrived.
RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
December 19 2011 20:52 GMT
#45
IT DOESN'T MATTER.

The Up/Down matches this week are all free in HQ.

Yes, GOM originally had the Up/Down as part of the Nov season but changed the format once again so that every season next year begins with Up/Down.
Someone call down the Thunder?
Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
December 19 2011 20:53 GMT
#46
people are complaining about FREE vods?
The great Spaghetti vs Screwdriver debacle of June '12" - Porcelina
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
December 19 2011 20:55 GMT
#47
I was really surprise too. How could I buy the ticket if I don't even know all the players for the coming tourney yet? Bad move by GOM tbh
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
December 19 2011 20:56 GMT
#48
On December 20 2011 05:53 Sc2Null wrote:
people are complaining about FREE vods?

No, they complaints b/c U/D matches are the last games of GSL November as usual, not the first games of GSL January 2012.
Nighthawks28
Profile Joined June 2011
United States232 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 21:02:11
December 19 2011 21:00 GMT
#49
On December 20 2011 05:52 RaiKageRyu wrote:
IT DOESN'T MATTER.
The Up/Down matches this week are all free in HQ.
Yes, GOM originally had the Up/Down as part of the Nov season but changed the format once again so that every season next year begins with Up/Down.


live HQ is free this week but not the vods


On December 20 2011 05:53 Sc2Null wrote:
people are complaining about FREE vods?


the vods aren't free
_Mittens
Profile Joined November 2010
United States168 Posts
December 19 2011 21:04 GMT
#50
On December 20 2011 05:05 Kira__ wrote:
since you pay for 1 tournament, and this isnt a part of that 1 tournament, you don't have any reason to feel tricked

That's actually the reason to feel tricked. Every tournament in 2011 included the up and down matches, and people, myself included, bought a GSL NOV pass with the understanding that the up and downs were part of the package, as they always were. Changing the format AFTER people have to committed to paying for something is not ok. How would that be OK in any other situation? You get what you pay for, you cannot go back onto something that has already been exchanged for and think it is OK. This is a serious problem. You cannot alter the specifications of a deal AFTER the deal has been made. How do people not understand this? Are you serious? This is not a defensible business move. It was deceitful and misleading. It was wrong. I paid for GSL November, Code A, Code S, and the Up and Downs, and AFTER I paid for it, the deal was changed, and now the GSL is double charging for the Up and Downs.

Having said that, I'm not really that upset, I'll happily support GSL either way, just a bummer that I am not getting what I paid for. Oh well.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
December 19 2011 21:04 GMT
#51
On December 20 2011 05:15 Takezou wrote:
Didn't GSL November start before the new GSL format was announced?

If so people expecting up/down matches to be part of the November ticket is clearly understandable and expected.

TBH this can only hurt GOM as people are not going to buy a 2012 season pass just to watch the up/down matches but there maybe people who will decide not to pay GOM because of something like this.


Considering that GSL November uses the new format except with some changes (next season bo3) i don't see how that is possible.
Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 21:09:42
December 19 2011 21:09 GMT
#52
On December 20 2011 06:04 Assirra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 05:15 Takezou wrote:
Didn't GSL November start before the new GSL format was announced?

If so people expecting up/down matches to be part of the November ticket is clearly understandable and expected.

TBH this can only hurt GOM as people are not going to buy a 2012 season pass just to watch the up/down matches but there maybe people who will decide not to pay GOM because of something like this.


Considering that GSL November uses the new format except with some changes (next season bo3) i don't see how that is possible.



You are right they were announced on the same day 10/26/2011. Still does not change the way I feel about the up/down matches.
lunchrush
Profile Joined March 2011
United States138 Posts
December 19 2011 21:10 GMT
#53
I personally think a season NOT ending with a Grand Finals spoils the buildup of the season. For instance, during this last "season" the first big event was the Grand Finals, then some Code A happened, then the up/down matches... it just ruins the buildup and the drama. In this sense, I think it's better to have the up/down matches first, since at least the finals will be closer to the end of the season.

But if what people are saying in this thread is true, and the VODS for the current up/down matches are no longer included in the November package... well then GOM has some explaining to do. I'm not buying a 2012 ticket, so it's sort of irrelevant to me, but it would REALLY hurt esports if the largest and most lucrative esports tournament in the world pulled something like this.
There is no order in the world around us, we must adapt ourselves to the requirements of chaos instead. -Kurt Vonnegut
StyLeD
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2965 Posts
December 19 2011 21:14 GMT
#54
Blah blah this will hurt esports, that will hurt esports...loll. So overused.
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Jackle
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada859 Posts
December 19 2011 21:20 GMT
#55
On December 20 2011 05:01 figq wrote:
I think the only fault of GOM here is that they didn't foresee this reaction - and didn't warn people that the up/down are part of GSL Jan 2012, so passes for 2011 or Nov wouldn't count for it. They could have done that warning with the start of the annual pass advertising.

Otherwise by itself, it does make a lot of sense, because the November tournament is finished, and the yearly tournament (Blizzard cup) is finished. The up/down is part of a tournament that finishes in January, so it counts towards it.



On December 20 2011 04:47 Hibahihi wrote:
It seems like this week up and down is part of the next season in 2012.
http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8

Up&Down Matches
A total of 30 players will compete for 10 spots in Code S. These players consist of 16 players who lost in the Code A Ro 32, 12 players who lost in the Code A Ro24 and 2 seeded players.
5 groups of 6 people will be formed. All players in a group play each other. The Top 2 of each group will advance to Code S, the rest will be Code A for next season. For the 2012 series the season now always starts with the Up&Down matches, the first season of 2012 will therefore begin in late December of 2011 with the first batch of Up&Down matches.
You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-19 21:38:48
December 19 2011 21:37 GMT
#56
On December 20 2011 06:20 Jackle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 05:01 figq wrote:
I think the only fault of GOM here is that they didn't foresee this reaction - and didn't warn people that the up/down are part of GSL Jan 2012, so passes for 2011 or Nov wouldn't count for it. They could have done that warning with the start of the annual pass advertising.

Otherwise by itself, it does make a lot of sense, because the November tournament is finished, and the yearly tournament (Blizzard cup) is finished. The up/down is part of a tournament that finishes in January, so it counts towards it.



Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 04:47 Hibahihi wrote:
It seems like this week up and down is part of the next season in 2012.
http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8

Up&Down Matches
A total of 30 players will compete for 10 spots in Code S. These players consist of 16 players who lost in the Code A Ro 32, 12 players who lost in the Code A Ro24 and 2 seeded players.
5 groups of 6 people will be formed. All players in a group play each other. The Top 2 of each group will advance to Code S, the rest will be Code A for next season. For the 2012 series the season now always starts with the Up&Down matches, the first season of 2012 will therefore begin in late December of 2011 with the first batch of Up&Down matches.


the graphic itself in that thread is very misleading, up/down is presented as the end.
Carrilord has arrived.
Sandtrout
Profile Joined July 2011
243 Posts
December 19 2011 23:03 GMT
#57
I'm very disappointed... it wasn't exactly obvious that this season wouldn't include up&downs and the ticket wasn't cheaper either.
A free hq stream isn't useful to me either... I buy the ticket because I can't watch gsl live at all.

I'll have to reconsider buying a ticket for next year now, because obviously I can't be sure what I'm getting into, whether all promised seasons will happen etc.
SFX
Profile Joined June 2011
United States89 Posts
December 19 2011 23:59 GMT
#58
On December 20 2011 08:03 Sandtrout wrote:
I'm very disappointed... it wasn't exactly obvious that this season wouldn't include up&downs and the ticket wasn't cheaper either.
A free hq stream isn't useful to me either... I buy the ticket because I can't watch gsl live at all.

I'll have to reconsider buying a ticket for next year now, because obviously I can't be sure what I'm getting into, whether all promised seasons will happen etc.

I'm right with you. I was excited about the Up/Down matches, but now I'm just upset.
The innocent shall suffer, big time.
LegendaryZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1583 Posts
December 20 2011 00:05 GMT
#59
Doesn't affect me personally since I bought a year subscription already, but I can definitely understand why some people might be irked. It'd be nice if GOM made the transition in format smoother by giving NOV subscribers a grace period through the Up/Down's which were switched from the end of the season to the beginning.
habbey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States405 Posts
December 20 2011 00:07 GMT
#60
On December 20 2011 04:45 TheEconomist wrote:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but there aren't 75 matches in these up&downs, there are 30?

Also, that 2011 image is incorrect for the November season.


15 * 5 = 75 (normally)

Although since there are two vacant spots (coca and 1 invite not being given out) its actually 10 * 2 + 3 * 15 = 65 this time.


On the main topic, they very clearly said gsl nov ended dec 7th, not dec 23rd. you should've known these were part of the new season. not to mention the HD stream is free for these (i guess they should've made the VODs free too) but really this is an insane overreaction.
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