• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 22:54
CEST 04:54
KST 11:54
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins HomeStory Cup 2914Serral wins Maestros of the Game 243ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12
Community News
SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-64SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-63PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)8Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE15Weekly Cups (July 20-26): Early returns on 5.0.16b8
StarCraft 2
General
Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted August World Ranking: Clem climbs to #2 Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16) Life's Huge Gambling Spree After IEM Katowice 2014 Neeb returns to progaming; rejoins ONSYDE
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event INu's Battles #19 2-Days Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SC4ALL II announced - $10,000 prize pool, Dec 5-6 PIG STY FESTIVAL 8.0! (13 - 23 August)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
Nexus Wars 2021 GUIDE [M] (2) Industrial Park
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 537 Hostile Territory Mutation # 536 Railroad Switch Mutation # 535 Assembly of Vengeance
Brood War
General
ASL22 General Discussion BW General Discussion Making an Online Broodwar Manager Game BW Drama: Terror's Debt Incident + C9 disbanding BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
SC4ALL II: Brood War - $2500 - Dec 5-6 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues 2v2v2v2 Tournament Escore Tournament - Season 3
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation PvT advise for noobs
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread ZeroSpace Early Access is Now Live! Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish TSM pausing esports and CLG Dead
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Power Rank TL Mafia Community Thread NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
The Scarlett Fan Club The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently... [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 McBoner: A hockey love story
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Simple Questions Simple Answers FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop
TL Community
Northern Ireland Global Starcraft The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Please support my new stand…
Peanutsc
What is a Gamer?
TrAiDoS
Hello guys!
LIN1s
ASL S22 English Commentary…
namkraft
Poker (part 2)
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 4328 users

GSL Nov Up and Down? - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 Next All
Lysergic
Profile Joined December 2010
United States355 Posts
December 20 2011 00:21 GMT
#61
Seems like this would reduce the annual pass sales that many people would want for Christmas. I'm sure most of the people who bought a GSL Nov ticket was expecting to get the up/down matches.
Sandtrout
Profile Joined July 2011
243 Posts
December 20 2011 00:40 GMT
#62
On December 20 2011 09:07 habbey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 04:45 TheEconomist wrote:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but there aren't 75 matches in these up&downs, there are 30?

Also, that 2011 image is incorrect for the November season.


15 * 5 = 75 (normally)

Although since there are two vacant spots (coca and 1 invite not being given out) its actually 10 * 2 + 3 * 15 = 65 this time.


On the main topic, they very clearly said gsl nov ended dec 7th, not dec 23rd. you should've known these were part of the new season. not to mention the HD stream is free for these (i guess they should've made the VODs free too) but really this is an insane overreaction.



I just think that stuff like this has to be made clear. It's a big change from the content that is normally included in a season ticket and neither did I see an announcement on the paying page nor was it made clear from the schedule.
Customers shouldn't have to search every announcement or forum thread to know exactly what they're paying for.
So the main reason why I'll reconsider buying a pass for next reason is that I can not be sure of what I'm getting. For example: Maybe they also announced that they can replace regular seasons with special tournaments for which I would have to pay extra, and I just didn't see that announcement because I don't visit the forum regularly?
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 20 2011 02:24 GMT
#63
the link people keep showing where in the print at the bottom it says up/down is part next season, this keeps getting overlooked.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


at the very top of the page, this image clearly states that up down determines code s/a players for next season. Lets just be honest with each other for a moment, in this tl;dr age if this image makes sense to you, which it did/does to me, would you really read all the text below?
Carrilord has arrived.
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
December 20 2011 02:30 GMT
#64
On December 20 2011 09:07 habbey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 04:45 TheEconomist wrote:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but there aren't 75 matches in these up&downs, there are 30?

Also, that 2011 image is incorrect for the November season.


15 * 5 = 75 (normally)

Although since there are two vacant spots (coca and 1 invite not being given out) its actually 10 * 2 + 3 * 15 = 65 this time.


On the main topic, they very clearly said gsl nov ended dec 7th, not dec 23rd. you should've known these were part of the new season. not to mention the HD stream is free for these (i guess they should've made the VODs free too) but really this is an insane overreaction.


Didn't you get the memo? GOM has gone from everyone's darling to the most hated evil empire of the SC2 world in overnight.
Kammalleri
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada613 Posts
December 20 2011 02:33 GMT
#65
I was pretty pissed.when I woke up this morning expected to see if Huk made it to Code S, can only watch the first game get pretty pumped for the 2nd one and they ask me to buy season ticket.

What did we get for GSL November? Code S as usual, I didnt mind the 2 round robin even if BO3's are better.
We then saw Ro of 48 where only half the games had good casting and so few games had players that don't belong in GSL at all, then round of 32 where only half the game had good casting. Then you get to round of 24 where players either make it to Code S or go to up and down, basically no one loses.

Then hey that's it for your season man, buy a yearly pass. I always loved Code A round of 8 and later because these guys are just as good as Code S players and it's awesome to see new and comer play games that means something, but then with 12 players left in the tournament they just qualify.

Also I spent the whole year watching every MG as much as I could when I didnt work, bought every GSL, watched Dreamhack as much as possible, watched blizzcon, but I have to buy a pass for the following year to be able to see the final tournament of the year? That was kinda shitty too.

I'll have the money to buy the yearly pass, but I didn't expect to have to pay for it on such short notice right before the holiday when I feel like I paid my fair share of GSL all season and paid to see the up and down matches when I bought GSL November.
SFX
Profile Joined June 2011
United States89 Posts
December 20 2011 04:23 GMT
#66
On December 20 2011 11:24 Slusher wrote:
at the very top of the page, this image clearly states that up down determines code s/a players for next season. Lets just be honest with each other for a moment, in this tl;dr age if this image makes sense to you, which it did/does to me, would you really read all the text below?

Haven't the Up/Down matches always determined the Code S/A players for next season?
The innocent shall suffer, big time.
Doso
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany769 Posts
December 20 2011 04:36 GMT
#67
Well I was about to buy the "all-in-one" monthly subscribtion for 19,99 per month. Now I bought the 70 per year GSL package and will probably also buy GSTL. Wanted to watch the Up&Downs, but the monthly subscription is sill not available. GSL lost money from me this way.
Schickysc
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada380 Posts
December 20 2011 04:52 GMT
#68
Well I'm a bit upset too. I went to watch HuK's vods and got the error after the first game. I had to cancel my credit card a few weeks ago due to a paypal screw up, and I haven't been able to purchase a 2012 subscription yet. I have purchased every single event GOM has put out since Season 1 GSL in 2010. I don't intend to stop and will more than likely still purchase a 2012 ticket.

I cannot find any Up/down vods for November, which was seemingly indicated in their picture. I understand they are claiming these are for January... but what about Novembers? Hmm I thought each season would have to have up/down to qualify for the next season, which is part of what we pay for. Bah. Guess I'll have to wait for my credit card to come in. Sigh.

Still unimpressed Gom.
Shoot for the Moon, Find a Star
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
December 20 2011 04:59 GMT
#69
lol They clearly said GSL nov ends dec 7th(Hint we are way past that) They give Free HD streams for the up downs and people still find ways to bitch and complain, I mean I shouldn't be surprised by the stupidity but wow... just wow people.... GG
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
FatkiddsLag
Profile Joined May 2010
United States413 Posts
December 20 2011 05:00 GMT
#70
yea. this is bullshit. we get screwed out of matches. they should make up and downs free if they are going to change their format like this.
iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 05:02:42
December 20 2011 05:01 GMT
#71
On December 20 2011 04:05 Soma.bokforlag wrote:edit:

seems there had been a post in the forums on goms webpage about this, so i was wrong

Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 04:47 Hibahihi wrote:
It seems like this week up and down is part of the next season in 2012.
http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8

Up&Down Matches
A total of 30 players will compete for 10 spots in Code S. These players consist of 16 players who lost in the Code A Ro 32, 12 players who lost in the Code A Ro24 and 2 seeded players.
5 groups of 6 people will be formed. All players in a group play each other. The Top 2 of each group will advance to Code S, the rest will be Code A for next season. For the 2012 series the season now always starts with the Up&Down matches, the first season of 2012 will therefore begin in late December of 2011 with the first batch of Up&Down matches.


i feel tricked though.. but i guess this is to be expected

Why on earth would you feel tricked? GOM announced the changes months ago... it makes no sense to hate on GOM because you're too lazy to pay attention to long-announced changes to the GSL format going into 2012. That goes for everyone else in this thread complaining about GOM as well.
Twitter: @iamcaustic
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
December 20 2011 05:03 GMT
#72
Come on its not really that bad. It actually makes more sense to have Up and Down included with the relevant tournament.

It may be a weird transition but its only got 1 month that we got "ripped off"
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
December 20 2011 05:04 GMT
#73
On December 20 2011 14:00 FatkiddsLag wrote:
yea. this is bullshit. we get screwed out of matches. they should make up and downs free if they are going to change their format like this.

1. learn to read and you wouldn't have missed any matches
2. the HD stream is free for the up/downs
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
December 20 2011 05:07 GMT
#74
LOL, it's not enough that GSL is giving TWO free Code S slots to foreigners (I wonder why), now you are all bitching and moaning about the up and down vods? There really is nothing that GOM can do to please you guys. Any move they make, you will probably find something that you don't like and bitch about it.
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
December 20 2011 05:10 GMT
#75
They changed up & downs from the end of the previous season to the beginning of the one they actually affected. It doesn't matter which season they decided to do this for cause eventually one season pass would end up without U&D VOD's. To make up for that they have offered U&D's in HQ free of charge so catch it live!

Anywho, they did have this information out there pretty early in the announcement of their format change and anytime you checked the schedule on the GOM page you'd see "GSL Nov. 11.10.27(Thu) ~ 12.07(Wed)" so I don't feel tricked. Season 1 of 2012 started yesterday! :D
Taengoo ♥
snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
December 20 2011 05:13 GMT
#76
Hey guys, it was announced at the beginning of GSL November that the up&downs will be part of the next season.

We're also streaming the up&downs for free in HQ, so check em out!
@riotsnowbird
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 20 2011 05:22 GMT
#77
On December 20 2011 13:23 SFX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 11:24 Slusher wrote:
at the very top of the page, this image clearly states that up down determines code s/a players for next season. Lets just be honest with each other for a moment, in this tl;dr age if this image makes sense to you, which it did/does to me, would you really read all the text below?

Haven't the Up/Down matches always determined the Code S/A players for next season?


thats exactly my point, the image imo depicts up and down as part of the current season the way it has been. In the situation that gom in the lower paragraph describes, the image should read that it determines code a and code s for the current season, because if it is first (and included on that ticket) thats exactly what it does.
Carrilord has arrived.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
December 20 2011 05:35 GMT
#78
On December 20 2011 14:22 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 13:23 SFX wrote:
On December 20 2011 11:24 Slusher wrote:
at the very top of the page, this image clearly states that up down determines code s/a players for next season. Lets just be honest with each other for a moment, in this tl;dr age if this image makes sense to you, which it did/does to me, would you really read all the text below?

Haven't the Up/Down matches always determined the Code S/A players for next season?


thats exactly my point, the image imo depicts up and down as part of the current season the way it has been. In the situation that gom in the lower paragraph describes, the image should read that it determines code a and code s for the current season, because if it is first (and included on that ticket) thats exactly what it does.

So you are blaming them because you were to lazy to read the paragraph below the image.... I really, really, REALLY don't understand how people are actual upset/blaming GOM? They Clearly announced the changes and are giving free HD stream? The fuck else do people want? John the translator to personally visit you and word by word explain everything? Seriously...

That last little rant is not directed completely at you Slusher, just people in this thread in general...
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
December 20 2011 05:35 GMT
#79
On December 20 2011 14:07 jellyjello wrote:
LOL, it's not enough that GSL is giving TWO free Code S slots to foreigners (I wonder why), now you are all bitching and moaning about the up and down vods? There really is nothing that GOM can do to please you guys. Any move they make, you will probably find something that you don't like and bitch about it.


What the fuck does foreigner Code S spots have to do with this topic.
Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
December 20 2011 05:50 GMT
#80
On December 20 2011 14:13 snowbird wrote:
Hey guys, it was announced at the beginning of GSL November that the up&downs will be part of the next season.

We're also streaming the up&downs for free in HQ, so check em out!


the streams really doesnt matter to europeans, we are all at work during the entire streaming time. but i guess thats good for american and asian viewers
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 7m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RuFF_SC2 205
Ketroc 57
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 4218
GuemChi 2593
Artosis 630
Bale 88
sSak 75
Noble 26
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm210
LuMiX0
Counter-Strike
summit1g9163
taco 363
minikerr41
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang01801
Mew2King309
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor110
Other Games
JimRising 695
Maynarde127
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick957
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 126
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 29
• iopq 12
• Pr0nogo 2
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Rush730
• Lourlo245
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Weekly
8h 7m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 7h
INu's Battles
1d 8h
Percival vs Zoun
Cure vs Rogue
ByuN vs Classic
Clem vs NightMare
PiGosaur Cup
1d 21h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
INu's Battles
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
[ Show More ]
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
RSL Revival
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 22: Qualifier #2
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 3
K-JUNGMAN
RSL Revival: Season 6
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026

Upcoming

Acropolis #5
Escore Tournament S3: W6
Escore Tournament S3: W7
CSLAN 4
ASL Season 22
Escore Tournament S3: W8
Acropolis #5 - TRS
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
PiG Sty Festival 8.0
Thunderpick World Champ.
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
Logitech G Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.