• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:00
CET 23:00
KST 07:00
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket12Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA12
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
Data analysis on 70 million replays A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Path of Exile [Game] Osu! Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games?
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1496 users

GSL Nov Up and Down? - Page 4

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 Next All
Lysergic
Profile Joined December 2010
United States355 Posts
December 20 2011 00:21 GMT
#61
Seems like this would reduce the annual pass sales that many people would want for Christmas. I'm sure most of the people who bought a GSL Nov ticket was expecting to get the up/down matches.
Sandtrout
Profile Joined July 2011
243 Posts
December 20 2011 00:40 GMT
#62
On December 20 2011 09:07 habbey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 04:45 TheEconomist wrote:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but there aren't 75 matches in these up&downs, there are 30?

Also, that 2011 image is incorrect for the November season.


15 * 5 = 75 (normally)

Although since there are two vacant spots (coca and 1 invite not being given out) its actually 10 * 2 + 3 * 15 = 65 this time.


On the main topic, they very clearly said gsl nov ended dec 7th, not dec 23rd. you should've known these were part of the new season. not to mention the HD stream is free for these (i guess they should've made the VODs free too) but really this is an insane overreaction.



I just think that stuff like this has to be made clear. It's a big change from the content that is normally included in a season ticket and neither did I see an announcement on the paying page nor was it made clear from the schedule.
Customers shouldn't have to search every announcement or forum thread to know exactly what they're paying for.
So the main reason why I'll reconsider buying a pass for next reason is that I can not be sure of what I'm getting. For example: Maybe they also announced that they can replace regular seasons with special tournaments for which I would have to pay extra, and I just didn't see that announcement because I don't visit the forum regularly?
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 20 2011 02:24 GMT
#63
the link people keep showing where in the print at the bottom it says up/down is part next season, this keeps getting overlooked.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


at the very top of the page, this image clearly states that up down determines code s/a players for next season. Lets just be honest with each other for a moment, in this tl;dr age if this image makes sense to you, which it did/does to me, would you really read all the text below?
Carrilord has arrived.
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
December 20 2011 02:30 GMT
#64
On December 20 2011 09:07 habbey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 04:45 TheEconomist wrote:
Correct me if i'm wrong, but there aren't 75 matches in these up&downs, there are 30?

Also, that 2011 image is incorrect for the November season.


15 * 5 = 75 (normally)

Although since there are two vacant spots (coca and 1 invite not being given out) its actually 10 * 2 + 3 * 15 = 65 this time.


On the main topic, they very clearly said gsl nov ended dec 7th, not dec 23rd. you should've known these were part of the new season. not to mention the HD stream is free for these (i guess they should've made the VODs free too) but really this is an insane overreaction.


Didn't you get the memo? GOM has gone from everyone's darling to the most hated evil empire of the SC2 world in overnight.
Kammalleri
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada613 Posts
December 20 2011 02:33 GMT
#65
I was pretty pissed.when I woke up this morning expected to see if Huk made it to Code S, can only watch the first game get pretty pumped for the 2nd one and they ask me to buy season ticket.

What did we get for GSL November? Code S as usual, I didnt mind the 2 round robin even if BO3's are better.
We then saw Ro of 48 where only half the games had good casting and so few games had players that don't belong in GSL at all, then round of 32 where only half the game had good casting. Then you get to round of 24 where players either make it to Code S or go to up and down, basically no one loses.

Then hey that's it for your season man, buy a yearly pass. I always loved Code A round of 8 and later because these guys are just as good as Code S players and it's awesome to see new and comer play games that means something, but then with 12 players left in the tournament they just qualify.

Also I spent the whole year watching every MG as much as I could when I didnt work, bought every GSL, watched Dreamhack as much as possible, watched blizzcon, but I have to buy a pass for the following year to be able to see the final tournament of the year? That was kinda shitty too.

I'll have the money to buy the yearly pass, but I didn't expect to have to pay for it on such short notice right before the holiday when I feel like I paid my fair share of GSL all season and paid to see the up and down matches when I bought GSL November.
SFX
Profile Joined June 2011
United States89 Posts
December 20 2011 04:23 GMT
#66
On December 20 2011 11:24 Slusher wrote:
at the very top of the page, this image clearly states that up down determines code s/a players for next season. Lets just be honest with each other for a moment, in this tl;dr age if this image makes sense to you, which it did/does to me, would you really read all the text below?

Haven't the Up/Down matches always determined the Code S/A players for next season?
The innocent shall suffer, big time.
Doso
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany769 Posts
December 20 2011 04:36 GMT
#67
Well I was about to buy the "all-in-one" monthly subscribtion for 19,99 per month. Now I bought the 70 per year GSL package and will probably also buy GSTL. Wanted to watch the Up&Downs, but the monthly subscription is sill not available. GSL lost money from me this way.
Schickysc
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada380 Posts
December 20 2011 04:52 GMT
#68
Well I'm a bit upset too. I went to watch HuK's vods and got the error after the first game. I had to cancel my credit card a few weeks ago due to a paypal screw up, and I haven't been able to purchase a 2012 subscription yet. I have purchased every single event GOM has put out since Season 1 GSL in 2010. I don't intend to stop and will more than likely still purchase a 2012 ticket.

I cannot find any Up/down vods for November, which was seemingly indicated in their picture. I understand they are claiming these are for January... but what about Novembers? Hmm I thought each season would have to have up/down to qualify for the next season, which is part of what we pay for. Bah. Guess I'll have to wait for my credit card to come in. Sigh.

Still unimpressed Gom.
Shoot for the Moon, Find a Star
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
December 20 2011 04:59 GMT
#69
lol They clearly said GSL nov ends dec 7th(Hint we are way past that) They give Free HD streams for the up downs and people still find ways to bitch and complain, I mean I shouldn't be surprised by the stupidity but wow... just wow people.... GG
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
FatkiddsLag
Profile Joined May 2010
United States413 Posts
December 20 2011 05:00 GMT
#70
yea. this is bullshit. we get screwed out of matches. they should make up and downs free if they are going to change their format like this.
iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 05:02:42
December 20 2011 05:01 GMT
#71
On December 20 2011 04:05 Soma.bokforlag wrote:edit:

seems there had been a post in the forums on goms webpage about this, so i was wrong

Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 04:47 Hibahihi wrote:
It seems like this week up and down is part of the next season in 2012.
http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8

Up&Down Matches
A total of 30 players will compete for 10 spots in Code S. These players consist of 16 players who lost in the Code A Ro 32, 12 players who lost in the Code A Ro24 and 2 seeded players.
5 groups of 6 people will be formed. All players in a group play each other. The Top 2 of each group will advance to Code S, the rest will be Code A for next season. For the 2012 series the season now always starts with the Up&Down matches, the first season of 2012 will therefore begin in late December of 2011 with the first batch of Up&Down matches.


i feel tricked though.. but i guess this is to be expected

Why on earth would you feel tricked? GOM announced the changes months ago... it makes no sense to hate on GOM because you're too lazy to pay attention to long-announced changes to the GSL format going into 2012. That goes for everyone else in this thread complaining about GOM as well.
Twitter: @iamcaustic
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
December 20 2011 05:03 GMT
#72
Come on its not really that bad. It actually makes more sense to have Up and Down included with the relevant tournament.

It may be a weird transition but its only got 1 month that we got "ripped off"
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
December 20 2011 05:04 GMT
#73
On December 20 2011 14:00 FatkiddsLag wrote:
yea. this is bullshit. we get screwed out of matches. they should make up and downs free if they are going to change their format like this.

1. learn to read and you wouldn't have missed any matches
2. the HD stream is free for the up/downs
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
December 20 2011 05:07 GMT
#74
LOL, it's not enough that GSL is giving TWO free Code S slots to foreigners (I wonder why), now you are all bitching and moaning about the up and down vods? There really is nothing that GOM can do to please you guys. Any move they make, you will probably find something that you don't like and bitch about it.
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
December 20 2011 05:10 GMT
#75
They changed up & downs from the end of the previous season to the beginning of the one they actually affected. It doesn't matter which season they decided to do this for cause eventually one season pass would end up without U&D VOD's. To make up for that they have offered U&D's in HQ free of charge so catch it live!

Anywho, they did have this information out there pretty early in the announcement of their format change and anytime you checked the schedule on the GOM page you'd see "GSL Nov. 11.10.27(Thu) ~ 12.07(Wed)" so I don't feel tricked. Season 1 of 2012 started yesterday! :D
Taengoo ♥
snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
December 20 2011 05:13 GMT
#76
Hey guys, it was announced at the beginning of GSL November that the up&downs will be part of the next season.

We're also streaming the up&downs for free in HQ, so check em out!
@riotsnowbird
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
December 20 2011 05:22 GMT
#77
On December 20 2011 13:23 SFX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 11:24 Slusher wrote:
at the very top of the page, this image clearly states that up down determines code s/a players for next season. Lets just be honest with each other for a moment, in this tl;dr age if this image makes sense to you, which it did/does to me, would you really read all the text below?

Haven't the Up/Down matches always determined the Code S/A players for next season?


thats exactly my point, the image imo depicts up and down as part of the current season the way it has been. In the situation that gom in the lower paragraph describes, the image should read that it determines code a and code s for the current season, because if it is first (and included on that ticket) thats exactly what it does.
Carrilord has arrived.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
December 20 2011 05:35 GMT
#78
On December 20 2011 14:22 Slusher wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 13:23 SFX wrote:
On December 20 2011 11:24 Slusher wrote:
at the very top of the page, this image clearly states that up down determines code s/a players for next season. Lets just be honest with each other for a moment, in this tl;dr age if this image makes sense to you, which it did/does to me, would you really read all the text below?

Haven't the Up/Down matches always determined the Code S/A players for next season?


thats exactly my point, the image imo depicts up and down as part of the current season the way it has been. In the situation that gom in the lower paragraph describes, the image should read that it determines code a and code s for the current season, because if it is first (and included on that ticket) thats exactly what it does.

So you are blaming them because you were to lazy to read the paragraph below the image.... I really, really, REALLY don't understand how people are actual upset/blaming GOM? They Clearly announced the changes and are giving free HD stream? The fuck else do people want? John the translator to personally visit you and word by word explain everything? Seriously...

That last little rant is not directed completely at you Slusher, just people in this thread in general...
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Takezou
Profile Joined October 2010
United States320 Posts
December 20 2011 05:35 GMT
#79
On December 20 2011 14:07 jellyjello wrote:
LOL, it's not enough that GSL is giving TWO free Code S slots to foreigners (I wonder why), now you are all bitching and moaning about the up and down vods? There really is nothing that GOM can do to please you guys. Any move they make, you will probably find something that you don't like and bitch about it.


What the fuck does foreigner Code S spots have to do with this topic.
Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
December 20 2011 05:50 GMT
#80
On December 20 2011 14:13 snowbird wrote:
Hey guys, it was announced at the beginning of GSL November that the up&downs will be part of the next season.

We're also streaming the up&downs for free in HQ, so check em out!


the streams really doesnt matter to europeans, we are all at work during the entire streaming time. but i guess thats good for american and asian viewers
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 8 9 10 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 9h 30m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
White-Ra 242
UpATreeSC 205
JuggernautJason74
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 3499
Leta 38
Counter-Strike
fl0m1520
Heroes of the Storm
Liquid`Hasu510
Trikslyr50
Other Games
Grubby4200
FrodaN1877
B2W.Neo536
DeMusliM307
RotterdaM182
mouzStarbuck177
KnowMe88
C9.Mang087
SteadfastSC27
ZombieGrub27
ViBE16
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 22 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• sitaska26
• Hupsaiya 3
• davetesta2
• Kozan
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• IndyKCrew
• intothetv
StarCraft: Brood War
• 80smullet 22
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 4807
• masondota21167
• WagamamaTV544
• Ler121
League of Legends
• TFBlade1269
Other Games
• imaqtpie1107
• Shiphtur359
• Scarra355
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
9h 30m
Classic vs MaxPax
SHIN vs Reynor
herO vs Maru
WardiTV Korean Royale
14h
SC Evo League
14h 30m
IPSL
19h
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
OSC
19h
BSL 21
22h
TerrOr vs Aeternum
HBO vs Kyrie
RSL Revival
1d 9h
Wardi Open
1d 16h
IPSL
1d 22h
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
BSL 21
1d 22h
StRyKeR vs Artosis
OyAji vs KameZerg
[ Show More ]
OSC
2 days
OSC
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
LAN Event
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-16
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.