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VictorJones
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States235 Posts
December 20 2011 08:25 GMT
#101
With the new format (new as of November), it was nowhere explicitly stated that the up/down matches would be included in the GSL Nov 2011 ticket.. I can see where you would assume that since it wasn't explicitly stated that they wouldn't be either until recently but yeah, this complaint has very little strength i think
snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 08:29:01
December 20 2011 08:28 GMT
#102
On December 20 2011 17:25 VictorJones wrote:
With the new format (new as of November), it was nowhere explicitly stated that the up/down matches would be included in the GSL Nov 2011 ticket.. I can see where you would assume that since it wasn't explicitly stated that they wouldn't be either until recently but yeah, this complaint has very little strength i think


It was in fact explicitly stated when GSL November stated (that they would not be included).
@riotsnowbird
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Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 09:03:13
December 20 2011 08:57 GMT
#103
On December 20 2011 17:12 figq wrote:
From OP:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 04:05 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
edit:

seems there had been a post in the forums on goms webpage about this, so i was wrong

On December 20 2011 04:47 Hibahihi wrote:
It seems like this week up and down is part of the next season in 2012.
http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=208740&cid=0&kind=8

Up&Down Matches
A total of 30 players will compete for 10 spots in Code S. These players consist of 16 players who lost in the Code A Ro 32, 12 players who lost in the Code A Ro24 and 2 seeded players.
5 groups of 6 people will be formed. All players in a group play each other. The Top 2 of each group will advance to Code S, the rest will be Code A for next season. For the 2012 series the season now always starts with the Up&Down matches, the first season of 2012 will therefore begin in late December of 2011 with the first batch of Up&Down matches.


i feel tricked though.. but i guess this is to be expected
You shouldn't feel tricked. There's also the official GSL November Announcement:
http://www.gomtv.net/2011gslsponsors7/news/66481

It clarifies that the format will be changed significantly starting from November ("completely revamped format"). From this point on, any expectation based on how the format was in previous seasons should be abandoned and further info to be expected and sought, as posted there.

Lol, you link says nothing about changes to ticket system.

My main complaint about this is that the change to ticket system was mentioned in the middle of the wall of text in few words and that the picture of the new system doesn't says Next Season above Up/Down part. These two things make this a misleading contract and I will not pay 15$ for Up/Downs. And will no longer support GOMtv in 2012 if they don't make this right for November ticket holders (and fix their information system so this shit doesn't happen again).

I was planning to buy January ticket when Code S games would begin so it would be same to Gom, but as it is now I will not buy anything from Gom in 2012.
Remb
Profile Joined August 2011
United States190 Posts
December 20 2011 08:58 GMT
#104
Better get your 1 year ticket before the new format starts! *snicker*
A virtuous act is performed habitually, and not once from incentive alone.
Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
December 20 2011 09:07 GMT
#105
i know team liquid and liquidpedia is no reliable source for tournament information, but all information on both team liquid and liquidpedia have given the impression of up and down being included.

even now, as i am writing this, under events it states

"Oct 27 Dec 23 GSL Code S / A November 2011"

under "events"

the fact that noone from team liquid have noticed this makes my mistake a far lesser one in my opinion

and i am not going to buy more tickets, and arguments like "this doesnt matter because up and down matches aren very good" or "you can watch the live stream" or "this is just a problem if youre not planning to buy more tickets" really doesnt matter anyway
Skytalker
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden671 Posts
December 20 2011 09:12 GMT
#106
I paid for November and at that time i was under the impression that the up and down matches was included.... NOw suddenly i can't watch the VODS

GOM step up!
Jaedong HWAITING!
xBillehx
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1289 Posts
December 20 2011 09:14 GMT
#107
Liquipedia is community driven. Sounds like you guys are just looking for things to be mad at Gom about. They made the announcement before GSL November even started, and every single day on the schedule it's said "GSL Nov. 11.10.27(Thu) ~ 12.07(Wed)" The info was out there, not reading it isn't an excuse, just like not reading TL's rules wouldn't be an excuse for breaking them.
Taengoo ♥
Smile[PaiN]
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada58 Posts
December 20 2011 09:15 GMT
#108
I find it funny that most of the people including the original poster are from Sweden.....is it becuse of that nani...ah nevermind lol

User was warned for this post
Skytalker
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden671 Posts
December 20 2011 09:18 GMT
#109
On December 20 2011 18:15 Smile[PaiN] wrote:
I find it funny that most of the people including the original poster are from Sweden.....is it becuse of that nani...ah nevermind lol



That's just uncalled for.... i couldnt care less about naniwa
Jaedong HWAITING!
Amlitzer
Profile Joined August 2010
United States471 Posts
December 20 2011 09:21 GMT
#110
Yeah this is definitely a sleazeball move by GOM, I'm just glad I'm already out of school or else I wouldn't be able to watch these games at all. GOM just keeps adding fuel to the fire, they are making it REALLY hard to sympathize with them on issues like Naniwa's lack of "professionalism" and so forth.
"Not even justice, I want to get truth!"
Thizzmonkey
Profile Joined March 2011
United States9 Posts
December 20 2011 09:24 GMT
#111
is anyone elses free hq stream laggy ? i have ran the hq stream all year and now its stuttering for these up and downs frustrating
DUH. WINNING!
Soma.bokforlag
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden448 Posts
December 20 2011 09:26 GMT
#112
On December 20 2011 18:14 xBillehx wrote:
Liquipedia is community driven. Sounds like you guys are just looking for things to be mad at Gom about. They made the announcement before GSL November even started, and every single day on the schedule it's said "GSL Nov. 11.10.27(Thu) ~ 12.07(Wed)" The info was out there, not reading it isn't an excuse, just like not reading TL's rules wouldn't be an excuse for breaking them.


as i have stated earlier in the thread i have seen that the information was out. that however doesnt mean that it was clear and available

if you drink a soda of a known brand and it says in fine print on the bottom "may contain poision" it doesnt make it right.
NinjaNitrate
Profile Joined June 2011
82 Posts
December 20 2011 09:53 GMT
#113
On December 20 2011 18:26 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 18:14 xBillehx wrote:
Liquipedia is community driven. Sounds like you guys are just looking for things to be mad at Gom about. They made the announcement before GSL November even started, and every single day on the schedule it's said "GSL Nov. 11.10.27(Thu) ~ 12.07(Wed)" The info was out there, not reading it isn't an excuse, just like not reading TL's rules wouldn't be an excuse for breaking them.


as i have stated earlier in the thread i have seen that the information was out. that however doesnt mean that it was clear and available

if you drink a soda of a known brand and it says in fine print on the bottom "may contain poision" it doesnt make it right.

But everyone knew about the changed format, so more like it's buying a known Soda brand with them saying everywhere that they've completely changed the ingredients. Also putting poison in a soda is wrong for completely different reasons. Also feel free to ignore me, I could be completely wrong.
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eloist
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1017 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 10:04:45
December 20 2011 09:58 GMT
#114
On December 20 2011 17:28 snowbird wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 17:25 VictorJones wrote:
With the new format (new as of November), it was nowhere explicitly stated that the up/down matches would be included in the GSL Nov 2011 ticket.. I can see where you would assume that since it wasn't explicitly stated that they wouldn't be either until recently but yeah, this complaint has very little strength i think


It was in fact explicitly stated when GSL November stated (that they would not be included).

It was nested in a statement about the 2012 season and somewhat indirectly so. Why do I need to look to the 2012 setup to know that the last of 2011 does in fact differ from all the other seasons and tickets in 2011? I bought all the tickets Gom ever offered from the very beginning. You might take me for an informed customer but I in fact had no idea.

The information was there, somewhere, sure. Given all that you shouldn't really be surprised that people feel tricked, however.
iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
December 20 2011 10:20 GMT
#115
On December 20 2011 18:58 eloist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 17:28 snowbird wrote:
On December 20 2011 17:25 VictorJones wrote:
With the new format (new as of November), it was nowhere explicitly stated that the up/down matches would be included in the GSL Nov 2011 ticket.. I can see where you would assume that since it wasn't explicitly stated that they wouldn't be either until recently but yeah, this complaint has very little strength i think


It was in fact explicitly stated when GSL November stated (that they would not be included).

It was nested in a statement about the 2012 season and somewhat indirectly so. Why do I need to look to the 2012 setup to know that the last of 2011 does in fact differ from all the other seasons and tickets in 2011? I bought all the tickets Gom ever offered from the very beginning. You might take me for an informed customer but I in fact had no idea.

The information was there, somewhere, sure. Given all that you shouldn't really be surprised that people feel tricked, however.

"Why do I need to read publicly posted information to be informed about things I want to be informed about?" Are you serious, man?

GOM announces new format, people don't bother to read and then get upset months later when they realize there's a new format and they didn't bother learning more about it. /facepalm
Twitter: @iamcaustic
eloist
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1017 Posts
December 20 2011 10:23 GMT
#116
On December 20 2011 19:20 stormfoxSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 18:58 eloist wrote:
On December 20 2011 17:28 snowbird wrote:
On December 20 2011 17:25 VictorJones wrote:
With the new format (new as of November), it was nowhere explicitly stated that the up/down matches would be included in the GSL Nov 2011 ticket.. I can see where you would assume that since it wasn't explicitly stated that they wouldn't be either until recently but yeah, this complaint has very little strength i think


It was in fact explicitly stated when GSL November stated (that they would not be included).

It was nested in a statement about the 2012 season and somewhat indirectly so. Why do I need to look to the 2012 setup to know that the last of 2011 does in fact differ from all the other seasons and tickets in 2011? I bought all the tickets Gom ever offered from the very beginning. You might take me for an informed customer but I in fact had no idea.

The information was there, somewhere, sure. Given all that you shouldn't really be surprised that people feel tricked, however.

"Why do I need to read publicly posted information to be informed about things I want to be informed about?" Are you serious, man?

GOM announces new format, people don't bother to read and then get upset months later when they realize there's a new format and they didn't bother learning more about it. /facepalm

I bought a 2011 ticket, didn't care about 2012 yet. If you think this is all good and kosher, fine. No need to be this hostile about it by calling me an idiot.
iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
December 20 2011 10:24 GMT
#117
On December 20 2011 18:26 Soma.bokforlag wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 18:14 xBillehx wrote:
Liquipedia is community driven. Sounds like you guys are just looking for things to be mad at Gom about. They made the announcement before GSL November even started, and every single day on the schedule it's said "GSL Nov. 11.10.27(Thu) ~ 12.07(Wed)" The info was out there, not reading it isn't an excuse, just like not reading TL's rules wouldn't be an excuse for breaking them.


as i have stated earlier in the thread i have seen that the information was out. that however doesnt mean that it was clear and available

if you drink a soda of a known brand and it says in fine print on the bottom "may contain poision" it doesnt make it right.

Don't blame GOM for your own laziness. They made public announcements that were covered by every major Starcraft community site including TL, not sneakily alter a single line in some fine print or something without telling anyone.
Twitter: @iamcaustic
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
December 20 2011 10:24 GMT
#118
Well they're giving free HQ live stream as a half-way for people upset about it not being part of GSL Nov 2011.
iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
December 20 2011 10:27 GMT
#119
On December 20 2011 19:23 eloist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 20 2011 19:20 stormfoxSC wrote:
On December 20 2011 18:58 eloist wrote:
On December 20 2011 17:28 snowbird wrote:
On December 20 2011 17:25 VictorJones wrote:
With the new format (new as of November), it was nowhere explicitly stated that the up/down matches would be included in the GSL Nov 2011 ticket.. I can see where you would assume that since it wasn't explicitly stated that they wouldn't be either until recently but yeah, this complaint has very little strength i think


It was in fact explicitly stated when GSL November stated (that they would not be included).

It was nested in a statement about the 2012 season and somewhat indirectly so. Why do I need to look to the 2012 setup to know that the last of 2011 does in fact differ from all the other seasons and tickets in 2011? I bought all the tickets Gom ever offered from the very beginning. You might take me for an informed customer but I in fact had no idea.

The information was there, somewhere, sure. Given all that you shouldn't really be surprised that people feel tricked, however.

"Why do I need to read publicly posted information to be informed about things I want to be informed about?" Are you serious, man?

GOM announces new format, people don't bother to read and then get upset months later when they realize there's a new format and they didn't bother learning more about it. /facepalm

I bought a 2011 ticket, didn't care about 2012 yet. If you think this is all good and kosher, fine. No need to be this hostile about it by calling me an idiot.

I never used the word "idiot", let alone call you anything. Please stop being overdramatic and fallacious, both toward myself and toward GOM. You're the one that blindly purchased a product without reading what you got out of it when GOM announced changes had been made. That's on you entirely.
Twitter: @iamcaustic
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-20 10:35:01
December 20 2011 10:34 GMT
#120
On December 20 2011 18:15 Smile[PaiN] wrote:
I find it funny that most of the people including the original poster are from Sweden.....is it becuse of that nani...ah nevermind lol


Are you always this hilarious?
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