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Klondikebar
Profile Joined October 2011
United States2227 Posts
December 15 2011 20:25 GMT
#61
Something tells me that GOM always behaved like this. It's just that now they have many more international eyes on them so they don't have the power of fiat anymore.
#2throwed
Siaubunas
Profile Joined April 2011
Lithuania12 Posts
December 15 2011 20:25 GMT
#62
[–]delo0041 2 points 47 secondsago

Naniwa probe rushes Nestea. Not strictly against rules, but seen by many as disrespectful to tournament, essentially breaking unwritten rules tournament did not think had to be spelled out. Naniwa loses code S spot.

Oh but wait he didn't. GOM and MLG work out deal to award a code S spot to highest placing player at Pro Circuit events. Naniwa earns said spot at Providence. GOM changes tournament format, converting code S seed from Providence to seed in Blizzard Cup tournament, but doesn't inform anyone who might be affected by change, including Naniwa and MLG. Not strictly against rules, but seen by many as disrespectful to player/MLG, essentially breaking unwritten rules people didn't think had to be spelled out.

Hmm.
cArn-
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Korea (South)824 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 20:27:05
December 15 2011 20:25 GMT
#63
And slowly but surely GOM reveals its true self to the public, can't say I'm surprised about all that garbage going on, I fount out the hard way how they actually deal with stuff.
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ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
December 15 2011 20:25 GMT
#64
So it's Gom's fault alone for the mess. Really disappointing, especially after their talk about honor and dedication to entertain fans yadda yadda, while at the same time not telling their business partners about changing deals. Hypocrite anyone?
Get off my lawn, young punks
Akash1223
Profile Joined March 2011
United States91 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 20:29:43
December 15 2011 20:26 GMT
#65
On December 16 2011 05:22 Gilion_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 05:17 Akash1223 wrote:
I really don't see the problem. MLG's statement says "it is within GSL's jurisdiction to adjust placement," thus GOMs agreement with MLG was subject to change by GOM if they decided they wanted to change their format. They had the right to change the Providence seeds to blizzard cup instead of code S, and they chose to do so. MLG, Naniwa, nor anyone else was entitled to notification.


Well... By NOT notifying anyone, they have made MLG lie to the players and the fans. MLG said that the price for winning MLG Providence was GSL Code S. We, as the viewers, always thought that that was on the line. GOM could have contacted MLG and told them that they had changed things up, but didnt.

So, no, they didnt do anything wrong, but its really unprofessional.


They didn't "make" MLG lie. MLG chose to let people believe that the code S spots were guaranteed. If they were never really guaranteed, and GOM had the right to "adjust seeding" (like it says in MLGs statement), then MLG should have made that clear to fans from the start.

Bottom line is, none of us really know that the MLG/GOM agreement actually stated. From the statement MLG made today, it can be implied that GOM had the right to retract code S seeds at their discretion (ie: change in GSL format). If they have that right, I don't see how anyone can blame them for using it. If they didn't have that right, then they're wrong. But MLGs statement would lead me to believe GOM did have that right, not sure why else they would say "it is within GSL's jurisdiction to adjust placement."
Trsjnica
Profile Joined April 2011
United States477 Posts
December 15 2011 20:26 GMT
#66
On December 16 2011 05:07 zeru wrote:
So basically MLG Providence code S prize was an unintentional bait and switch, made by GOM? wtf.

Bait and switches are illegal, in the US at least i think. This is not ok by GOM.

Uhh, bait and switch? What did they bait Naniwa to do? Are you suggesting he wouldn't have played MLG Providence if he knew that he couldn't win a Code S spot in it?

Nothing that occurred here is illegal, btw.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
December 15 2011 20:26 GMT
#67
On December 16 2011 05:23 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 05:15 Jinsho wrote:
Yep, just as everyone was saying: GOM is lying to protect themselves.

There is a thisisgame article from late november that states that it hasn't been decided whether the winner/runnerup of mlg providence gets code S. Not lying at all; Koreans knew about it, no one else did.


Really? I wished they would also inform the group of people who actually have to PAY to watch their show (at least in a acceptable quality or their vods).
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-15 20:29:35
December 15 2011 20:27 GMT
#68
They announced Code S as part of the prize of the tournament. Never ever go back on a prize you announced, especially not two months after the tournament has ended.

Tournaments not paying up the prizes is a hundred times worse than a player worker cheesing in a meaningless game.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
Sheldonal
Profile Joined April 2011
United States11 Posts
December 15 2011 20:27 GMT
#69
On December 16 2011 05:23 Akash1223 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 05:20 Sheldonal wrote:
On December 16 2011 05:17 Akash1223 wrote:
I really don't see the problem. MLG's statement says "it is within GSL's jurisdiction to adjust placement," thus GOMs agreement with MLG was subject to change by GOM if they decided they wanted to change their format. They had the right to change the Providence seeds to blizzard cup instead of code S, and they chose to do so. MLG, Naniwa, nor anyone else was entitled to notification.


The problem is in fact that they changed something without notifying their PARTNER MLG who IS ENTITLED to know that "Hey we are changing the exchange program reward for providence from CODE S to BLIZZARD CUP."

Actually no, they aren't entitled. Read MLG's statement: "it is within GSL's jurisdiction to adjust placement." Unless they worded their statement poorly, that essentially means GOM had the right to change their mind at any time according to their agreement with MLG.



Yes it is in their jurisdiction but its EXTREMELY unprofessional. It makes MLG look bad for announcing that NaNi was getting a Code S spot and now it makes themselves look bad for being so unprofessional. To say that GOM didn't have to or shouldn't of told MLG that they are changing one of the biggest features for a foreign player at an MLG for the final MLG is just unintelligent.
OrderlyChaos
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1115 Posts
December 15 2011 20:27 GMT
#70
On December 16 2011 05:26 Trsjnica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 05:07 zeru wrote:
So basically MLG Providence code S prize was an unintentional bait and switch, made by GOM? wtf.

Bait and switches are illegal, in the US at least i think. This is not ok by GOM.

Uhh, bait and switch? What did they bait Naniwa to do? Are you suggesting he wouldn't have played MLG Providence if he knew that he couldn't win a Code S spot in it?

Nothing that occurred here is illegal, btw.


Of course it isn't illegal. But neither was Naniwa throwing the match. Essentially, GOM appears to be guilty of the same poor professionalism that they accuse Naniwa of in their statement.
Wherewolf
Profile Joined December 2010
United States353 Posts
December 15 2011 20:27 GMT
#71
On December 16 2011 05:25 cArn- wrote:
And slowly but surely GOM reveals its true self to the public, can't say I'm surprised about all that garbage going on, I fount out the hard way how they actually deal with stuff.

Can you tell your story? D:
zeru
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
8156 Posts
December 15 2011 20:27 GMT
#72
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ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
December 15 2011 20:28 GMT
#73
On December 16 2011 05:24 Hubris wrote:
3 Days later and Europe is still mad. Just let it go. Naniwa apologized to them. They have been changing the GSL setup for months, it's not exactly a conspiracy theory.

Yea, those stupid Europeans...
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
December 15 2011 20:29 GMT
#74
Wonder how long we can keep the drama going...
MMA: The true King of Wings
Trsjnica
Profile Joined April 2011
United States477 Posts
December 15 2011 20:29 GMT
#75
On December 16 2011 05:27 zeru wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 05:26 Trsjnica wrote:
On December 16 2011 05:07 zeru wrote:
So basically MLG Providence code S prize was an unintentional bait and switch, made by GOM? wtf.

Bait and switches are illegal, in the US at least i think. This is not ok by GOM.

Uhh, bait and switch? What did they bait Naniwa to do? Are you suggesting he wouldn't have played MLG Providence if he knew that he couldn't win a Code S spot in it?

Nothing that occurred here is illegal, btw.

what do you call announcing a prize, then removing the prize after its done? if it's not bait and switch, what is it.

The concept of a bait and switch is an idea of detrimental reliance, in contract law. That is, you are promised something if you do X, then you do X because of that promise, but aren't given your prize.

Here, I am asking what you think that Naniwa was "baited" into doing, that he would not otherwise have done.

You didn't actually answer my question.
IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
December 15 2011 20:29 GMT
#76
I have stood by GOM during the Naniwa situation because I think he got what he deserved. This is something else entirely though. Troubling, to say the least. I have GOM clarifies soon.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
Trsjnica
Profile Joined April 2011
United States477 Posts
December 15 2011 20:29 GMT
#77
On December 16 2011 05:29 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Wonder how long we can keep the drama going...

Until the next time idra rage-quits from hallucinated units?
ROOTslush
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada170 Posts
December 15 2011 20:29 GMT
#78
On December 16 2011 05:08 Xalorian wrote:
Do you see the irony in that?

They didn't lied and they had the right to do so, it was not against the rule. But doing it without telling anyone was seriously unprofessional.

Naniwa got punished, because he was unprofessional. But, what he did was not against the rule.

Weird, is in it?


+1

I really dont get GOM on this issue.
careohx
Profile Joined June 2011
263 Posts
December 15 2011 20:30 GMT
#79
We dont need GOM anymore koreans will come on their own.
sVnteen
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2238 Posts
December 15 2011 20:30 GMT
#80
lol @ gom

they punish naniwa for being unprofessional while just making rules and changes on the fly without even telling anyone about it
how unprofessional can you get lol

just ...... gom for you
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