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The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
December 13 2011 02:13 GMT
#881
On December 13 2011 11:07 fourColo wrote:
^^^ Ok read as "at or above"

Being good at Korean ladder is impressive but don't forget that they don't all take it seriously: http://twitter.com/#!/ogsfin/status/145853583642992640


That's streaming. They don't take streaming seriously because they don't want people watching it to figure out their play.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
December 13 2011 02:14 GMT
#882
On December 13 2011 11:07 fourColo wrote:
^^^ Ok read as "at or above"

Being good at Korean ladder is impressive but don't forget that they don't all take it seriously: http://twitter.com/#!/ogsfin/status/145853583642992640

Well, I hope so, he keeps getting smashed!
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
December 13 2011 02:17 GMT
#883
On December 13 2011 11:13 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 11:07 fourColo wrote:
^^^ Ok read as "at or above"

Being good at Korean ladder is impressive but don't forget that they don't all take it seriously: http://twitter.com/#!/ogsfin/status/145853583642992640


That's streaming. They don't take streaming seriously because they don't want people watching it to figure out their play.


Lol that's just BS. You're implying that he's not serious when streaming because he's afraid that one of his TLer viewer might figure him out and beat him? No. They don't take ladder games seriously because while playing on Kr GM, they are likely to meet their potential opponents on GSL, and they won't take it seriously in general because they don't want to leak out their builds to potential opponents all the time. It has nothing to do with streaming or not.
fourColo
Profile Joined June 2011
United States363 Posts
December 13 2011 02:20 GMT
#884
It's not like they're not trying to win or just fucking around, but you're going to get much better feedback from the guy sitting next to you in a custom game on a sanctioned tournament map.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 02:26:33
December 13 2011 02:24 GMT
#885
Ladder is just ladder.

I'll list off the top 10 players on ladder

1. Byun
2. Yongwha
3. Xigua
4. Alive
5. Byun
6. Life (Zenex)
7. Byun
8. asd
9. Random guy I don't know
10. Parting (FXO)


16. Hwangsin
17. Apocolypse (teamless, but attempted to qualify several times but failed for code A)

Please don't delve too much into it.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
December 13 2011 02:28 GMT
#886
Does win percentage matter?
fourColo
Profile Joined June 2011
United States363 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 02:29:30
December 13 2011 02:29 GMT
#887
It means they're good but it doesn't mean #1 GM with 90% win rate is going to win Code S much less qualify for Code A. The maps and format are different.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 13 2011 02:29 GMT
#888
If it did, byun and marineking are bonjwas
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-13 02:35:11
December 13 2011 02:33 GMT
#889
Well, mkp was one of three koreans to qualify for WCG. I guess he's potentially top3 korea. That's pretty good, don't you think?
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
December 13 2011 02:33 GMT
#890
On December 13 2011 11:17 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 11:13 The KY wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:07 fourColo wrote:
^^^ Ok read as "at or above"

Being good at Korean ladder is impressive but don't forget that they don't all take it seriously: http://twitter.com/#!/ogsfin/status/145853583642992640


That's streaming. They don't take streaming seriously because they don't want people watching it to figure out their play.


Lol that's just BS. You're implying that he's not serious when streaming because he's afraid that one of his TLer viewer might figure him out and beat him? No. They don't take ladder games seriously because while playing on Kr GM, they are likely to meet their potential opponents on GSL, and they won't take it seriously in general because they don't want to leak out their builds to potential opponents all the time. It has nothing to do with streaming or not.


they won't take it seriously in general because they don't want to leak out their builds to potential opponents all the time


Literally word for word what I meant. Obviously they don't give a fuck what TLers think...why would you even assume I meant that?

I definitely think Koreans take ladder fairly seriously. Certainly I don't think all their practise is done in customs. If it is are you saying they are racking up hundreds and thousands of ladder games for a bit of a laugh? No man.
SourApplez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States61 Posts
December 13 2011 02:36 GMT
#891
Does no one realize that Stephano has stated that he doesn't want to make a full time career out of pro-gaming. That he's more interested in his studies, and likely won't stay all that long in Korea?
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
December 13 2011 02:36 GMT
#892
On December 13 2011 11:36 SourApplez wrote:
Does no one realize that Stephano has stated that he doesn't want to make a full time career out of pro-gaming. That he's more interested in his studies, and likely won't stay all that long in Korea?

Everyone does
fourColo
Profile Joined June 2011
United States363 Posts
December 13 2011 02:37 GMT
#893
He's also stated that he practices 3 hours a day and plays for the money and that he thinks MC believes protoss is the best race. He's kind of an asshole.
SourApplez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States61 Posts
December 13 2011 02:39 GMT
#894
On December 13 2011 11:36 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 11:36 SourApplez wrote:
Does no one realize that Stephano has stated that he doesn't want to make a full time career out of pro-gaming. That he's more interested in his studies, and likely won't stay all that long in Korea?

Everyone does



Alright, just making sure.... Just tired of fanboys (no matter what player)
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
December 13 2011 02:40 GMT
#895
On December 13 2011 11:37 fourColo wrote:
He's also stated that he practices 3 hours a day and plays for the money and that he thinks MC believes protoss is the best race. He's kind of an asshole.

Beware of the dark side. Anger leads to.. etc
chosenkerrigan
Profile Joined May 2011
858 Posts
December 13 2011 02:40 GMT
#896
On December 13 2011 11:33 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 11:17 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:13 The KY wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:07 fourColo wrote:
^^^ Ok read as "at or above"

Being good at Korean ladder is impressive but don't forget that they don't all take it seriously: http://twitter.com/#!/ogsfin/status/145853583642992640


That's streaming. They don't take streaming seriously because they don't want people watching it to figure out their play.


Lol that's just BS. You're implying that he's not serious when streaming because he's afraid that one of his TLer viewer might figure him out and beat him? No. They don't take ladder games seriously because while playing on Kr GM, they are likely to meet their potential opponents on GSL, and they won't take it seriously in general because they don't want to leak out their builds to potential opponents all the time. It has nothing to do with streaming or not.


Show nested quote +
they won't take it seriously in general because they don't want to leak out their builds to potential opponents all the time


Literally word for word what I meant. Obviously they don't give a fuck what TLers think...why would you even assume I meant that?

I definitely think Koreans take ladder fairly seriously. Certainly I don't think all their practise is done in customs. If it is are you saying they are racking up hundreds and thousands of ladder games for a bit of a laugh? No man.


If they all take ladder fairly seriously, enlighten me why the hell we have the following ladder result (quoting from the guy above) :

I'll list off the top 10 players on ladder

1. Byun
2. Yongwha
3. Xigua
4. Alive
5. Byun
6. Life (Zenex)
7. Byun
8. asd
9. Random guy I don't know
10. Parting (FXO)

Does this list reflect the current skill rank in Korea in the slightest? No. So ladder ranking doesn't mean anything.

m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
December 13 2011 02:44 GMT
#897
On December 13 2011 11:40 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 11:33 The KY wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:17 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:13 The KY wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:07 fourColo wrote:
^^^ Ok read as "at or above"

Being good at Korean ladder is impressive but don't forget that they don't all take it seriously: http://twitter.com/#!/ogsfin/status/145853583642992640


That's streaming. They don't take streaming seriously because they don't want people watching it to figure out their play.


Lol that's just BS. You're implying that he's not serious when streaming because he's afraid that one of his TLer viewer might figure him out and beat him? No. They don't take ladder games seriously because while playing on Kr GM, they are likely to meet their potential opponents on GSL, and they won't take it seriously in general because they don't want to leak out their builds to potential opponents all the time. It has nothing to do with streaming or not.


they won't take it seriously in general because they don't want to leak out their builds to potential opponents all the time


Literally word for word what I meant. Obviously they don't give a fuck what TLers think...why would you even assume I meant that?

I definitely think Koreans take ladder fairly seriously. Certainly I don't think all their practise is done in customs. If it is are you saying they are racking up hundreds and thousands of ladder games for a bit of a laugh? No man.


If they all take ladder fairly seriously, enlighten me why the hell we have the following ladder result (quoting from the guy above) :

I'll list off the top 10 players on ladder

1. Byun
2. Yongwha
3. Xigua
4. Alive
5. Byun
6. Life (Zenex)
7. Byun
8. asd
9. Random guy I don't know
10. Parting (FXO)

Does this list reflect the current skill rank in Korea in the slightest? No. So ladder ranking doesn't mean anything.


It's true that you can grind your way to the top of the ladder, but you might find ranking by win percentage more meaningful.
fourColo
Profile Joined June 2011
United States363 Posts
December 13 2011 02:47 GMT
#898
On December 13 2011 11:40 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 11:37 fourColo wrote:
He's also stated that he practices 3 hours a day and plays for the money and that he thinks MC believes protoss is the best race. He's kind of an asshole.

Beware of the dark side. Anger leads to.. etc

Currently have 5 mods on.
fourColo
Profile Joined June 2011
United States363 Posts
December 13 2011 02:51 GMT
#899
On December 13 2011 11:44 m0ck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 11:40 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:33 The KY wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:17 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:13 The KY wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:07 fourColo wrote:
^^^ Ok read as "at or above"

Being good at Korean ladder is impressive but don't forget that they don't all take it seriously: http://twitter.com/#!/ogsfin/status/145853583642992640


That's streaming. They don't take streaming seriously because they don't want people watching it to figure out their play.


Lol that's just BS. You're implying that he's not serious when streaming because he's afraid that one of his TLer viewer might figure him out and beat him? No. They don't take ladder games seriously because while playing on Kr GM, they are likely to meet their potential opponents on GSL, and they won't take it seriously in general because they don't want to leak out their builds to potential opponents all the time. It has nothing to do with streaming or not.


they won't take it seriously in general because they don't want to leak out their builds to potential opponents all the time


Literally word for word what I meant. Obviously they don't give a fuck what TLers think...why would you even assume I meant that?

I definitely think Koreans take ladder fairly seriously. Certainly I don't think all their practise is done in customs. If it is are you saying they are racking up hundreds and thousands of ladder games for a bit of a laugh? No man.


If they all take ladder fairly seriously, enlighten me why the hell we have the following ladder result (quoting from the guy above) :

I'll list off the top 10 players on ladder

1. Byun
2. Yongwha
3. Xigua
4. Alive
5. Byun
6. Life (Zenex)
7. Byun
8. asd
9. Random guy I don't know
10. Parting (FXO)

Does this list reflect the current skill rank in Korea in the slightest? No. So ladder ranking doesn't mean anything.


It's true that you can grind your way to the top of the ladder, but you might find ranking by win percentage more meaningful.

I guess MakaPrime is the best player ever then, since he's #1 GM and #5 in terms of win percentage.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
December 13 2011 02:51 GMT
#900
On December 13 2011 11:40 chosenkerrigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 11:33 The KY wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:17 chosenkerrigan wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:13 The KY wrote:
On December 13 2011 11:07 fourColo wrote:
^^^ Ok read as "at or above"

Being good at Korean ladder is impressive but don't forget that they don't all take it seriously: http://twitter.com/#!/ogsfin/status/145853583642992640


That's streaming. They don't take streaming seriously because they don't want people watching it to figure out their play.


Lol that's just BS. You're implying that he's not serious when streaming because he's afraid that one of his TLer viewer might figure him out and beat him? No. They don't take ladder games seriously because while playing on Kr GM, they are likely to meet their potential opponents on GSL, and they won't take it seriously in general because they don't want to leak out their builds to potential opponents all the time. It has nothing to do with streaming or not.


they won't take it seriously in general because they don't want to leak out their builds to potential opponents all the time


Literally word for word what I meant. Obviously they don't give a fuck what TLers think...why would you even assume I meant that?

I definitely think Koreans take ladder fairly seriously. Certainly I don't think all their practise is done in customs. If it is are you saying they are racking up hundreds and thousands of ladder games for a bit of a laugh? No man.


If they all take ladder fairly seriously, enlighten me why the hell we have the following ladder result (quoting from the guy above) :

I'll list off the top 10 players on ladder

1. Byun
2. Yongwha
3. Xigua
4. Alive
5. Byun
6. Life (Zenex)
7. Byun
8. asd
9. Random guy I don't know
10. Parting (FXO)

Does this list reflect the current skill rank in Korea in the slightest? No. So ladder ranking doesn't mean anything.



Who said anything about ladder ranking? However you have provided no counter argument to the idea that they must take ladder fairly seriously because most of them play it too much for it to be for fun.

Plus; these people might just play MORE ladder. That doesn't mean it's a joke to everyone else.
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