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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:38 Eiaco wrote: Not really, he said "I dont understand how I lost that". I told him why he lost then he got real angry. That's like the worst thing to do to a progamer. Even Sheth got upset because of that. Maybe as a former Progamer he still feels this way | ||
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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
most annoying thing a caster can ever do its why i refuse to watch artosis demuslim vs diestar game 3. FML | ||
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
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Banj0
Sweden53 Posts
agreed. People like day9 don't ever bm on ladder because: either he is too smart to hurt his public character by bm'ing, or - more likely - he is simply above bm all together. Like Sheth. On topic: Orb, I enjoy your casting a lot (and I am pretty picky). I am listening to the EG vs Millenium re-broadcast right now, and in my opinion you and InControl work well together. You don't seem to interrupt too much and most importantly, you are having a conversation about the game with your cocaster, which is a lot better than casters like Khaldor who often cuts his co-caster off to loudly point out the most obvious elements in the engagement that we are all watching or pointing out the supply difference for the ump-tenth time. Speaking a little slower could give your casting a little more authority. Speaking really fast can sometimes send a signal that you are afraid people are not listening or will stop paying attention to you at any moment. And it doesn't have to be a TotalBisquit-style boisterous authority, think more like Artosis who can slow down a little to underline the importance of the statement he is making. Good luck at EG, I hope you accept the heat from this whole 'nerd-rage' incident and put it behind you. EDIT: please don't ever ever shout/scream during casts like ThatGuy above me stated as well (you screamed just as I hit the 'post' button, basically) | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:44 ceaRshaf wrote: Incoming statement about the situation. Source: http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/qmvdb/orb_really_loves_the_n_word_on_ladder/c3yxw35 I completely agree. I find it really dumb to get upset on someone for calling another person "hey,you black dude" but with "nigger". What is this world? Chill down. Doesn't this Orb "nigger" rage drama deserve its own thread? I mean this is a thread directed at casting feedback, not feedback of his rage outbursts on stream or ladder. Nonetheless, I do think there needs to be ramifications and that Alex should either fire him on the spot or keep him on a really tight leash, especially if Katu can get fired from Playhem (an organisation with much smaller scale leagues/tournaments than the EG Masters Cup or North American Star League (which Orb has been involved in too, and which have one or two similar sponsors to EG (namely Kingston HyperX.)) for making jokes during a cast about a stream cheater. | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:55 Clbull wrote: Doesn't this Orb "nigger" rage drama deserve its own thread? I mean this is a thread directed at casting feedback, not feedback of his rage outbursts on stream or ladder. Nonetheless, I do think there needs to be ramifications, especially if Katu can get fired from Playhem for making jokes during a cast about a stream cheater. Yes this is relevant to his casting because, last I checked, people aren't just racists during their free time. It's already affecting his career and it will continue to do so if he doesn't cut it out. | ||
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JOJOsc2news
3000 Posts
There is no place for racism or sexism in this community in my opinion and the fact that he so obviously tried to cover it up instead of taking a beating that he could have recovered from makes me think that ramifications will be severe! Instead of apologizing and learning (people can forgive) he decided to be defensive and even aggressive (see his tweets) about it. That's something that is definitely not in favor of his case and puts a lot of pressure on EG now in my opinion. I don't know. I think we should wait for the official statement from Alex (EG CEO) now. No matter what comes, orb will face ramifications, it is not exactly a great start into a new job. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:39 Hardigan wrote: That's like the worst thing to do to a progamer. Even Sheth got upset because of that. Maybe as a former Progamer he still feels this way ...Orb has never been a professional gamer, lol. On March 09 2012 05:04 JOJOsc2news wrote: The story about a friend using his account that was proven to be made up really hurt his integrity in my opinion. This was disproven? Youch. I'll be honest, I hope Orb loses his deal with EG. This whole thing is just way, way too negative. Idra is BM in an entertaining and somewhat funny way. You'd never see him call someone a racial slur, though. And he wouldn't lie about it. EG, I know that you thrive on attention and whatnot, but this is very distasteful attention. I will *not* be watching events casted by Orb. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
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momonami5
United States109 Posts
 hurt my ears. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On March 09 2012 05:10 Mohdoo wrote: This was disproven? Youch. I'll be honest, I hope Orb loses his deal with EG. This whole thing is just way, way too negative. Idra is BM in an entertaining and somewhat funny way. You'd never see him call someone a racial slur, though. And he wouldn't lie about it. EG, I know that you thrive on attention and whatnot, but this is very distasteful attention. I will *not* be watching events casted by Orb. 'Kimchiman' comes to mind but yeah he would never lie about it. That's the thing, everyone can say stupid shit when the adrenalin starts pumping but to then start to lie about it and pretend to be the victim of 'fabrications' as he put it, that's when the real character shows. | ||
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Slapshot
95 Posts
On March 09 2012 05:10 Mohdoo wrote: This was disproven? Youch. I'll be honest, I hope Orb loses his deal with EG. This whole thing is just way, way too negative. Idra is BM in an entertaining and somewhat funny way. You'd never see him call someone a racial slur, though. And he wouldn't lie about it. EG, I know that you thrive on attention and whatnot, but this is very distasteful attention. I will *not* be watching events casted by Orb. Funny that you bring up Idra, who also works for EG and has used the word "faggot" multiple times but I guess he is a bit too valuable to take any measures against or maybe homophobic slurs aren't considered as offensive. Nice double double standard. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
Sort of shocked the mods allow this to go on when it has nothing to do with feedback...... | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15737 Posts
On March 09 2012 05:27 Longshank wrote: 'Kimchiman' comes to mind but yeah he would never lie about it. That's the thing, everyone can say stupid shit when the adrenalin starts pumping but to then start to lie about it and pretend to be the victim of 'fabrications' as he put it, that's when the real character shows. Kimchiman is more of a "lol" thing than a slur. Lots of Koreans are heard saying that "Kimchi-terran" is imba. There are racial slurs for Koreans, but kimchi is just a tasty dish ^_^ lol. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On March 09 2012 05:34 Slapshot wrote: Funny that you bring up Idra, I've seen him use the word "faggot" multiple times but I guess he is a bit too valuable for EG to take any measures or maybe homophobic slurs aren't considered as offensive. Nice double double standard. And once again someone acts as if there's no distinction between the word 'faggot' and 'nigger'. There is a difference, and it's massive. Although the word 'faggot' is homophobic it was thrown around for many years without any thought, especially by young people. It was used interchangeably with other mindless insults, such as 'gay'. That doesn't justify people using it but it makes it a hell of a lot more understandable and innocent than using 'nigger'. Anyone who lives in America should know that the latter is considered far, far more offensive. I can only imagine that people like you are playing dumb and pretending to not know that 'nigger' has a very unique place among insults. It's so well understood in America that you would have to be completely cut off from the mainstream. On March 09 2012 05:44 Slardar wrote: Also, what I think is most important which I don't has been mentioned is WHEN did all this happen? From what I've gathered looking around, this has been all on his stream in the BETA. I think this needs some clarification, as something done a year ago can be more excused (i.e. he's matured in that time) but if the events are recent, then that justifies the witch hunting a touch. I don't know exactly when you can probably find out by looking through the reddit thread. I do know that this was quite recent, certainly not during the beta. They were able to confirm that it was orb by looking through his recent match history. | ||
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:56 Klondikebar wrote: Yes this is relevant to his casting because, last I checked, people aren't just racists during their free time. It's already affecting his career and it will continue to do so if he doesn't cut it out. Do you honestly think orb is racist? Because if you don't then this post is way out of line. If you do then you need to get better acquainted with reality. | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On March 09 2012 05:47 DoubleReed wrote: Do you honestly think orb is racist? Because if you don't then this post is way out of line. Yes, I think people who use racial slurs are racist. You can twist logic all you want to make it seem like it's ok but language that marginalizes any minority group is bigoted and unacceptable. I feel like this should be common sense but I'll spell out my position clearly: Do not use racial slurs. | ||
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Slapshot
95 Posts
On March 09 2012 05:45 Silvertine wrote: And once again someone acts as if there's no distinction between the word 'faggot' and 'nigger'. There is a difference, and it's massive. Although the word 'faggot' is homophobic it was thrown around for many years without any thought, especially by young people. It was used interchangeably with other mindless insults, such as 'gay'. That doesn't justify people using it but it makes it a hell of a lot more understandable and innocent than using 'nigger'. Anyone who lives in America should know that the latter is considered far, far more offensive. I can only imagine that people like you are playing dumb and pretending to not know that 'nigger' has a very unique place among insults. It's so well understood in America that you would have to be completely cut off from the mainstream. Americans being moral hypocrites in these kind of cases is nothing new. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On March 09 2012 05:44 Slardar wrote: Also, what I think is most important which I don't has been mentioned is WHEN did all this happen? From what I've gathered looking around, this has been all on his stream in the BETA. I think this needs some clarification, as something done a year ago can be more excused (i.e. he's matured in that time) but if the events are recent, then that justifies the witch hunting a touch. They're recent. What people mean when they say BETA is that orb has always acted like this since Beta and has never changed. | ||
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