EPTorb Casting Feedback Thread - Page 24
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Slapshot
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Polygamy
Austria1114 Posts
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befek
Poland413 Posts
You are good caster, enthusiastic about the game - keep up. | ||
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TheAntZ
Israel6248 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
On March 09 2012 03:12 mbr2321 wrote: Slardar, you're my favorite stream mod since Maia, but I disagree whole-heartedly in this case. Proliferation of racial slurs from a representative of the community is unacceptable. His words and his public image reflects the public image of the StarCraft community and, by extension, that of eSports. Do we want someone who is childish, offensive, and uncontrollably angry to represent us? I don't think the "let he among us without sin cast the first stone" holds water either. Orb is a figurehead and a representative of the entire community, and as such, must be held to a higher degree of scrutiny than the rest of us. He should be the model for others, and, in light of this overwhelming evidence, his influence has been entirely negative. Awww Thanks Mbr2321! <3 I agree with you on all points to be honest, but I'm just not quite sure how much he TRULY represents at this point and time. He is the marquee caster for ESV Korean Weeklies, but other then that he is not on the level of Day9 , Artosis, or djWHEAT, (Whom I feel truly represent the scene). Now he's moving up to bigger things like the EG Masters Cup, on the bright side, it's a good thing this popped up now earlier the better we can work it out. It is TOTALLY unacceptable, but I think everyone makes mistakes and he hasn't been given an opportunity to shine in the big spotlight yet. I personally forgive him, but this is amateur league mistakes and I don't expect it to happen again or else second time around like you said, "Do we want someone who is childish, offensive, and uncontrollably angry to represent us?" definitely not. | ||
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betaman
United Kingdom355 Posts
On March 09 2012 02:51 DoubleReed wrote: Understandable (although it does feel blacklist-ish to me). But if you don't think he's racist then again I don't see what the problem is. People should be allowed to be stupid and get drunk and such. Losing your job over it? After apologies to the community? Don't you think that's too far? I never said he should be fired, thats not my decision, but a sports commentator in any professional sport would be fired instantly for making half as offensive comments. Also he didn't apologise in the first instance he tried to to blame it on a friend using his account. This is very poor behaviour too as it is very likely that it was him and he is lying. He only apologised when further instances of him using the word were brought to light that he couldnt say wasn't him. | ||
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Rorschach
United States623 Posts
On March 09 2012 03:44 Slapshot wrote: Orb has some pretty severe anger management issues but I'm more disgusted by the pitchfork attitude on reddit where some pathetic users really go out of their way to get someone fired. I hang out a lot in r/starcraft and I am disgusted on how often the community gets up in arms over stupid shit. Making a huge deal out of next to nothing.... There are so many popular "Pros" that rage and BM on their streams. This is the internet, most users on it our foul mouthed and if you didn't want to witness it go read a book. People have nothing better to do with their time I suppose than to try and make someone lose their job.... | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
That being said, I don't think there is any coming back from this controversy. Any organization that hires him, is going to open themselves up to criticism for why they did so despite their knowlegdge of these events. I don't think that's necessarily fair, but its the world we live in. Ask Jimmy the Greek, Mel Gibson, or even Rush Limbaugh. If he falls on his swords apologizes, he'll just bring more attention to it and it won't go away. If he ignores it, and claims it wasn't him.... he might hang on, but he'll be silently blackballed and won't get any good gigs. Sadly, its almost impossible now for him to become a significant caster..... if he represents e-sports on a grand stage, he opens up all of e-sports to criticism of being bigoted. What sponsor or event would want that taint on their event? For the record, I think its just words, and words would never hurt me...... but he happened to pick the right words that set society ablaze... its a weird cultural phenomena, but that specific word is the biggest taboo. Almost no one comes back from that....  If you're in the public eye, you have to be smarter than that.... even though I doubt you REALLY offended anyone, you gave the trolls and the esports good guys all the ammo they need. | ||
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:10 Rorschach wrote: I hang out a lot in r/starcraft and I am disgusted on how often the community gets up in arms over stupid shit. Making a huge deal out of next to nothing.... There are so many popular "Pros" that rage and BM on their streams. This is the internet, most users on it our foul mouthed and if you didn't want to witness it go read a book. People have nothing better to do with their time I suppose than to try and make someone lose their job.... Stop conflating different forms of 'BM'. Getting angry and insulting people when you lose isn't unique, it's the fact that he keeps using the blatantly racist term 'nigger'. That's what the issue is. | ||
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darkscream
Canada2310 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:04 betaman wrote: I never said he should be fired, thats not my decision, but a sports commentator in any professional sport would be fired instantly for making half as offensive comments. And you think that's what ESPORTS needs? To become more like TV, where everyone has to be totally fake and walk on eggshells so that they don't anger the corporate overlords who control all the content and perspectives of the media? Yeah, no. I mean I don't wanna see orb dropping the N-bomb on an SC2 cast but we have this problem in our society where we think everyone should be under all-seeing scrutiny 100% of the time. It's fucking disgusting, this community is full of a bunch of digital stalkers with no lives of their own, so they obsess over internet personalities... Wake up and look at the real world people, Language is colourful and often offensive, it is every man's right to speak how he wants on his own time, and no one word or phrase can define that man's character. Saying nigger doesn't make you a racist, saying faggot doesn't make you a homophobe, saying fuck doesn't make you a pervert. | ||
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dsousa
United States1363 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:15 darkscream wrote: And you think that's what ESPORTS needs? To become more like TV, where everyone has to be totally fake and walk on eggshells so that they don't anger the corporate overlords who control all the content and perspectives of the media? Yeah, no. I mean I don't wanna see orb dropping the N-bomb on an SC2 cast but we have this problem in our society where we think everyone should be under all-seeing scrutiny 100% of the time. It's fucking disgusting, this community is full of a bunch of digital stalkers with no lives of their own, so they obsess over internet personalities... Wake up and look at the real world people, Language is colourful and often offensive, it is every man's right to speak how he wants on his own time, and no one word or phrase can define that man's character. Saying nigger doesn't make you a racist, saying faggot doesn't make you a homophobe, saying fuck doesn't make you a pervert. It doesn't make you so, but it opens you up to being attacked as such. If you are representing sponsors, you are opening them up to attack. That's all...... but there are 100's of casters, why would one with this on their track record be preferred by sponsors? You're right, except when you have sponsors behind you, you have to live up to a higher standard. The guy who really screwed Orb, was the guy who posted it to Reddit. Once that got to the top of the page, his SC2 career was done. I don't think that's fair..... Mel Gibson doesn't either..... but that's the world we live in. Easier to change your caster than to change the world. | ||
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BearDK
Denmark101 Posts
I think the difference should be acknowledged. | ||
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d3_crescentia
United States4054 Posts
On March 09 2012 03:58 TheAntZ wrote: I dont get how orb can be this angry if he smokes trees. It just... doesn't make sense... maybe he's full of rage when he's not high... | ||
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guluru
United States83 Posts
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:19 d3_crescentia wrote: maybe he's full of rage when he's not high... There are quite a few cannabis forums full of people who smoke massive quantities of high quality stuff and are far right wing, violent and racist. I don't know how it's physically possible either, its a crazy world. | ||
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RoberP
United Kingdom101 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:19 BearDK wrote: I think it is relevant that the "incident" took place in circumstances where Orb was not representing EG. He was just himself on the ladder, so I don't see how this affects EG in a major way. He does not represent them when he is playing SC2, however, he represents EG when casting. I think the difference should be acknowledged. An organization associates with the person, and all the baggage that goes with it, rather than one of his personas. People don't hire convicted felons, regardless of whether the crime they committed was in their private lives or related to their job. Not saying he's done anything like that, but when you hire a person, you get everything else with it! People don't look at things in abstract. | ||
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AngelusDeLetum
United States98 Posts
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Eiaco
170 Posts
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DoubleReed
United States4130 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:31 Eiaco wrote: I gave you feeback on your stream once and you told me to die in a fiery hole. Sounds like you gave really crappy feedback. | ||
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Eiaco
170 Posts
On March 09 2012 04:36 DoubleReed wrote: Sounds like you gave really crappy feedback. Not really, he said "I dont understand how I lost that". I told him why he lost then he got real angry. | ||
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