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On March 09 2012 00:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 00:25 kobrakai wrote:On March 09 2012 00:08 Seraphone wrote:
There's so many kids in this thread who've never lived in the real world and worked a real job as a professional person so somehow they've developed the bizzare idea that using language like this is mainstream and okay.
It's not. Grow up.
ESports will never ever be mainstream when it's infested with people like this. He wasn't working. It was in private. I bet you say things every day that offend some people. It's a personal choice whether to be offended or not by a word. People are so fucking sensitive. Oh also do I have to link you to the tweets of PROFESSIONAL footballers who are contracted to clubs like Manchester Utd/ Liverpool etc who have used homophobic and racist vocabulary on their twitters? Having people who use such language is not preventing e sports going mainstream. Do you not understand that someone contracted by a team represents that team at all times? And sponsors? Being offended is a choice? Yeah man, blame the victims, not the bullies. Footballers who use slurs should be penalized just the same as anyone else, and athletes have been in the past. Football is already WAY mainstream, as opposed to SC2 which is barely getting off the ground. You can't compare an established sport to a new e-sport in terms of some people being unprofessional and it hurting the image greatly.
No, no I don't people have their private lives and should be able to do what they want in that time. It's just some cunt decided to do a print screen of someone using a word that some people find offensive.
Er yeah it is a choice to be offended. You can choose not to be offended by someone using a word or you can choose not to. It's not like you are born and you automatically take offense to a word.
Well you can because if the majority of people were really that offended by such slurs they'd boycott the game but considering that football is the worlds biggest sport. It's obvious people don't care that much. So it appears to me that having a few people within the E-sports community using such language isn't going to prevent it going mainstream, what is preventing it going mainstream is that it is a computer game and the vast majority of the worlds population think it is fucking stupid to watch other people play a computer game.
Footballers are penalised with pathetic fines like £6,000 ohhh! Such a fine when they earn more than that in a week. (Which shows me that the sporting bodies really don't care)
Racism is all over football and hasn't done the game any harm.
Also how is it hurting the image of SC2? The only people who know about this situation are already involved in the scene or linked to it. Or did I miss the BBC articles on this fascinating and truly shocking story?
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Sigh people are dumb. Half of the people angry and posting don't even care about what they said they are just here to be angry at something. Unless you ACTUALLY THINK Orb is a racist just move on and find something better to do with your time. People here arguing for whether or not nigger or faggot should be used while you stream is silly. Not an Orb fan at all but I dislike him being a caster because of his casting not because of one or two moments where he was upset and raged at some noob stream cheater. Move on.
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On March 09 2012 01:02 Venomsflame wrote:
Sigh people are dumb. Half of the people angry and posting don't even care about what they said they are just here to be angry at something. Unless you ACTUALLY THINK Orb is a racist just move on and find something better to do with your time. People here arguing for whether or not nigger or faggot should be used while you stream is silly. Not an Orb fan at all but I dislike him being a caster because of his casting not because of one or two moments where he was upset and raged at some noob stream cheater. Move on.
He was stream cheating now? Where did you get that information? I haven't heard this anywhere before. As I recalled orb only referred to him "doing the same thing" everytime.
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I understand that people are offended by the n-word, but you do know what happens when certain groups learn about the fact that "raping" somebody in-game is totally cool and actively desired? It's pretty hypocritical how rape is fine because "oooohh it totally doesn't mean that in our context".
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On March 09 2012 01:04 Hus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 01:02 Venomsflame wrote:
Sigh people are dumb. Half of the people angry and posting don't even care about what they said they are just here to be angry at something. Unless you ACTUALLY THINK Orb is a racist just move on and find something better to do with your time. People here arguing for whether or not nigger or faggot should be used while you stream is silly. Not an Orb fan at all but I dislike him being a caster because of his casting not because of one or two moments where he was upset and raged at some noob stream cheater. Move on. He was stream cheating now? Where did you get that information? I haven't heard this anywhere before. As I recalled orb only referred to him "doing the same thing" everytime.
Is that relevant? "This one was me a while ago at like 3am when i was drunk and I do apologize for my behavior. I was off-stream, had been cannon rushed 3 games in a row by this garbage clan (who I proved was stream cheating)"
Doesn't change anything I said. Even had he not been stream cheating it's the same situation. Stream cheating is not an excuse to use this language.
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On March 09 2012 01:07 PraefektMotus wrote:
I understand that people are offended by the n-word, but you do know what happens when certain groups learn about the fact that "raping" somebody in-game is totally cool and actively desired? It's pretty hypocritical how rape is fine because "oooohh it totally doesn't mean that in our context".
Or that the word faggot would have not set off all of these alarms like nigger seems to have. It's always hypocritical to pinpoint one discriminating thing someone says instead of doing the same thing for everything they say. If he can say "lolol I just RAPED that army" and get no scrutiny hypocrisy is involved.
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I must be one of very few people who thinks cannon rush games are absurd and fun, no matter which side of it I'm on. Certainly no excuse for BM.
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On March 09 2012 01:04 Hus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 01:02 Venomsflame wrote:
Sigh people are dumb. Half of the people angry and posting don't even care about what they said they are just here to be angry at something. Unless you ACTUALLY THINK Orb is a racist just move on and find something better to do with your time. People here arguing for whether or not nigger or faggot should be used while you stream is silly. Not an Orb fan at all but I dislike him being a caster because of his casting not because of one or two moments where he was upset and raged at some noob stream cheater. Move on. He was stream cheating now? Where did you get that information? I haven't heard this anywhere before. As I recalled orb only referred to him "doing the same thing" everytime.
Orb says he was stream cheating and that the other guy had called him the n-word many times already, the "other guy" responded on reddit:
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On March 09 2012 01:07 PraefektMotus wrote:
I understand that people are offended by the n-word, but you do know what happens when certain groups learn about the fact that "raping" somebody in-game is totally cool and actively desired? It's pretty hypocritical how rape is fine because "oooohh it totally doesn't mean that in our context".
Raping someone in a game can be an analogy for making your opponent submit to you against his will, which is essentially what the game's about. Not saying it's the best thing to cry out in a game, but it's completely incomparable to what orb has said, and quite frankly it's kind of tiresome seeing people try so hard finding other situations that might be comparable and just as bad. I've never believed in the "but it's okay since they do it" or "well this is just as worse" arguments that a lot of people come up with.
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On March 09 2012 00:49 seiferoth10 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 00:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 08 2012 23:42 seiferoth10 wrote:On March 08 2012 23:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 08 2012 23:08 seiferoth10 wrote:On March 08 2012 23:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 08 2012 22:55 seiferoth10 wrote:On March 08 2012 22:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2012 22:47 seiferoth10 wrote:On March 08 2012 22:40 marvellosity wrote:
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Which kinda makes it worse really, because the racism that is implied in the word 'nigger' is mostly (not completely) stamped out in the western world at least, whereas the homophobia implied in the word 'faggot' still runs much more rampant. Logically to me, it just makes the brouhaha here even worse :/ Nah, they don't carry the same weight as their root definitions. They're just general use derogatory terms in this community. Like "dickhead", do they actually mean your head is a penis? No. It's just a general use derogatory term. The root definitions being the bullying gay kids receive in school that black kids don't really anymore? To me, current issues carry more weight than past ones (however important!) Cool, you acknowledge the importance of time, now think about setting. If someone called you a faggot online, would you be offended? I think you would, but you shouldn't. It's impossible that they know you are actually homosexual, so they're not actually insulting an attribute associated with your person. They're frustrated and their only recourse is to throw out a general use derogatory term. The only way I could explain this simpler is on the internet these terms are like birdshot out of a shotgun, whereas if someone in real life who actually knew your situation used it on you, it would be like a sniper rifle. What does more damage, birdshot or a 50 cal bullet to the head? So calling every single person a slur online is okay, because the jerk can't *possibly* truly mean it, because he doesn't know their true identities? It only matters when they know you? What the hell is wrong with you? People need to be educated so that they know that even saying those things to strangers isn't acceptable. It doesn't change the fact that the jerk is using slurs offensively, which shows his intent to put you down using a slur. Since when are slurs used as compliments? How often are you playing a game of StarCraft, and your opponent says "gl hf, my fellow #$%(^# !  " Of course you don't see that. You're going to see slurs when your opponent is being a bad-mannered jackass. You're going to see "stfu $%^&*)" and that's that. You have a right to be offended at his terminology, but you may be able to brush it off because he's clearly just an ignorant, immature sore loser. Do you know what derogatory means? And, it's a general insult, not a personal insult. It's still an insult, but it's not a heat seeking missile insult directed at a quality of your person intended to offend you. They're using derogatory words. They're degrading and critical and belittling. Maybe I don't feel it as much as a black or gay person would, but obviously the lashing out is there, and the jerk feels it's appropriate to use certain slurs to offend people. And for you to think that only black people have a right to be insulted when the word "nigger" is spoken, or that only gay people should be insulted when the word "faggot" is spewed is- quite frankly- shocking. How would civil rights ever come about if not for the fact that *other people* stepped up and said "Hey, what we're doing and saying to this group of people is utter bullshit"? I'm offended when people say those things- not because I'm black or gay (I'm a straight white guy)- but because it's uneducated filth. And I'm going to be a teacher and a parent, so I have to be able to teach others why it's unacceptable as a collective. You don't get to *get away with it* just because you said it to a stranger, or to a white guy or a straight guy. So *you* don't get to tell other people "Nah don't worry about it; it wasn't meant to offend you." It should offend everyone, because it's hurting someone. Alright then, well good luck on your quest to uplift the world's vocabulary, that's truly a lofty goal. I'm merely explaining the context that people use these words in the online gaming community, if you're determined to be offended by it that's your prerogative. I still think you're too focused on the fact that the word is "nigger", and not on the fact that it is just a general insult used in the online gaming community (like nigger, faggot, dickhead, cunt, twat, bitch and whatever else tickles your fancy). This isn't real life, this is the internet. You can't police people's vocabulary on the internet. If someone calls me a "faggot" in real life my level of offendedness (is that a word? I might have meant "offense) would be 10/10, but if someone calls me a "faggot" on the internet, my level of offendedness would be 1/10. If someone insults me over the internet I wouldn't lose any sleep at night, unfortunately you're in for many sleepless nights with your sensitivity to internet slang. I'm certainly not as offended as if I witness racism in person, and I don't lose sleep over StarCraft BM either, but I'm not going to condone the behavior- or even say it's acceptable- because it's not. I'm well aware that tracking down frustrated virtual losers who throw out bigoted remarks as general insults won't do any good (especially if they can ignore you on StarCraft), but you don't shrug it off when you see the consequences and you can actually talk to someone who'll listen. Apparently you think that just because you said it over the internet means that you can get away with saying anything, which is utterly ridiculous. Calling someone a slur online as "internet slang" still has very real repercussions (as we see here with orb). You don't get to say anything you want *because* it's the internet. A lot of the time you'll get away with it, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable for you to be a jackass. Obviously, it's fantastic to understand that people enjoy saying things they don't mean and having looser lips, because you can't take everything personally, but that doesn't exempt people from the responsibility of their own words and actions. Plenty of adult jobs advise their employees to be incredibly careful with what they say or post online (e.g. on Facebook or public forums) because you *don't* get a free pass *just because it's the internet*. Try being a teacher and posting a status about how you hate "niggers and faggots", even if there aren't any black or gay students in your school. Just a general insult right? Not aimed at anyone in particular? See how much longer you have a job. I don't think you quite understand how the real world works, if you think people shouldn't care about what's posted on the internet simply by virtue of it *not being real life*. The internet is part of real life, sorry buddy. Facebook is like the anti-internet. It's a collection of real life friends that you can interact with on the internet. Also, there is a distinction between your professional life and your casual life. Even if you used that terminology in your casual life (calling your buddies "faggot" when they prank you, or whatever situation you want), why would you post that where your professional life can retrieve it? That's not posting on the internet, that's like sending a letter to your real life contacts. Also, I never said that it was okay. I said it was a 1/10 on a 10 scale. There is still offense there, but it's not nearly anywhere deserving of the resulting witch hunt it garnered. And, I like your underhanded comments of what you perceive is my inexperience in life. It's okay, it is the internet after all, I'm not offended. Or I should say, I'm 1/10 offended on a 10 scale.
If you think Facebook is the anti-internet, trolling doesn't go on in the realm of Facebook, and that Facebook friends are *only* real-life friends, then I don't really know what else I can say to you... but you have a very warped view of reality. Posting things on the internet can screw you over, period. You don't get a free pass just because it wasn't spoken to someone directly, with intention, and each slur you said was spoken to the proper individual who can take most offense.
And I especially like how you liken my point about your inexperience (which I've justified several times) to being offensive, as we're talking about bigoted slurs being offensive. Equivocation ftw.
Anyway, I need to go do work. Enjoy the rest of your day ^^
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On March 09 2012 00:51 Stropheum wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 00:31 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 09 2012 00:25 kobrakai wrote:On March 09 2012 00:08 Seraphone wrote:
There's so many kids in this thread who've never lived in the real world and worked a real job as a professional person so somehow they've developed the bizzare idea that using language like this is mainstream and okay.
It's not. Grow up.
ESports will never ever be mainstream when it's infested with people like this. He wasn't working. It was in private. I bet you say things every day that offend some people. It's a personal choice whether to be offended or not by a word. People are so fucking sensitive. Oh also do I have to link you to the tweets of PROFESSIONAL footballers who are contracted to clubs like Manchester Utd/ Liverpool etc who have used homophobic and racist vocabulary on their twitters? Having people who use such language is not preventing e sports going mainstream. Do you not understand that someone contracted by a team represents that team at all times? And sponsors? Being offended is a choice? Yeah man, blame the victims, not the bullies. Footballers who use slurs should be penalized just the same as anyone else, and athletes have been in the past. Football is already WAY mainstream, as opposed to SC2 which is barely getting off the ground. You can't compare an established sport to a new e-sport in terms of some people being unprofessional and it hurting the image greatly. Even before they're under contract? The proof people are posting shows his webcam in his house in MD, not in the EG lair. This took place significantly before he was under contract with anybody or affiliated with sponsors.
That's a very good point. (I wasn't specifically talking about orb's past offenses, I was talking more in the general sense of something to keep in mind once someone has been hired.)
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On March 09 2012 01:13 Hus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 01:07 PraefektMotus wrote:
I understand that people are offended by the n-word, but you do know what happens when certain groups learn about the fact that "raping" somebody in-game is totally cool and actively desired? It's pretty hypocritical how rape is fine because "oooohh it totally doesn't mean that in our context". Raping someone in a game can be an analogy for making your opponent submit to you against his will, which is essentially what the game's about. Not saying it's the best thing to cry out in a game, but it's completely incomparable to what orb has said, and quite frankly it's kind of tiresome seeing people try so hard finding other situations that might be comparable and just as bad. I've never believed in the "but it's okay since they do it" or "well this is just as worse" arguments that a lot of people come up with.
If you think gamers using the word rape all the time isn't that offensive then you're living in a magical fairyland.
Orb said it wasn't okay. He apologized. Move on.
Orb acted unprofessionally outside of his profession. While drunk. My god. The world must be ending.
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On March 09 2012 00:25 kobrakai wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 00:08 Seraphone wrote:
There's so many kids in this thread who've never lived in the real world and worked a real job as a professional person so somehow they've developed the bizzare idea that using language like this is mainstream and okay.
It's not. Grow up.
ESports will never ever be mainstream when it's infested with people like this. He wasn't working. It was in private. I bet you say things every day that offend some people. It's a personal choice whether to be offended or not by a word. People are so fucking sensitive. Oh also do I have to link you to the tweets of PROFESSIONAL footballers who are contracted to clubs like Manchester Utd/ Liverpool etc who have used homophobic and racist vocabulary on their twitters? Having people who use such language is not preventing e sports going mainstream.
When football players do that it is a massive shitstorm.
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On March 09 2012 01:13 Hus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 01:07 PraefektMotus wrote:
I understand that people are offended by the n-word, but you do know what happens when certain groups learn about the fact that "raping" somebody in-game is totally cool and actively desired? It's pretty hypocritical how rape is fine because "oooohh it totally doesn't mean that in our context". Raping someone in a game can be an analogy for making your opponent submit to you against his will, which is essentially what the game's about. Not saying it's the best thing to cry out in a game, but it's completely incomparable to what orb has said, and quite frankly it's kind of tiresome seeing people try so hard finding other situations that might be comparable and just as bad. I've never believed in the "but it's okay since they do it" or "well this is just as worse" arguments that a lot of people come up with.
That description is almost cute, lol. What rape actually is: Traumatize another human being for years, cause physical and enormous psychological damage and also commit a goddamn felony while doing it, destroying your own life as well because you'll be branded for life. Making someone submit in a game is completely different from this and it's pure history that rape is ok but faggot or nigger aren't.
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Orb can use the n-word all he wants when he is streaming and laddering, but he can't expect it to not affect the rest of his starcraft life. He has clearly shown he is not a person I want to support in any way, and I can't believe people are actually defending Orbs "right" to call who ever he wants what ever he feels like cause he gets angry while laddering. What about the people playing him, don't they have a right not to be called faggot? Orb clearly isn't mature enough for his position as a representative for EG, or as a representative for the SC2 community at large. I hope he takes a break and reconsiders his attitude towards this game and it's community.
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On March 09 2012 01:27 fidelity wrote:
Orb can use the n-word all he wants when he is streaming and laddering, but he can't expect it to not affect the rest of his starcraft life. He has clearly shown he is not a person I want to support in any way, and I can't believe people are actually defending Orbs "right" to call who ever he wants what ever he feels like cause he gets angry while laddering. What about the people playing him, don't they have a right not to be called faggot? Orb clearly isn't mature enough for his position as a representative for EG, or as a representative for the SC2 community at large. I hope he takes a break and reconsiders his attitude towards this game and it's community.
why would he ? he gets money, and he gets the job done for them, i doubt he cares even a single bit about what you guys think
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On March 09 2012 01:27 fidelity wrote:
Orb can use the n-word all he wants when he is streaming and laddering, but he can't expect it to not affect the rest of his starcraft life. He has clearly shown he is not a person I want to support in any way, and I can't believe people are actually defending Orbs "right" to call who ever he wants what ever he feels like cause he gets angry while laddering. What about the people playing him, don't they have a right not to be called faggot? Orb clearly isn't mature enough for his position as a representative for EG, or as a representative for the SC2 community at large. I hope he takes a break and reconsiders his attitude towards this game and it's community.
What? This has nothing to do with rights. No one is asking for his arrest. Jesus.
Orb apologized. Unless you actually think he is racist (honestly lolworthy), I fail to see why he should lose his job over this. Especially considering he has shown skill and competence in his job.
Edit: favorite comment on reddit is the guy calling orb "sociopathic"
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HEY THREAD,
Let Him/Her who is without sin cast the first stone.
People going all wild and rampant about this is not the answer, its the internet. We've all said and done things we may or may not regret, so we should cut Orb some slack. Once he's making millions like the Sports Commentators, we can burn him at the stake but until then stop going on a witchhunt. Although I don't agree at ALL with what he has said, as long as he apologizes (which he has) and makes a conscious effort to act professional in order to lead the scene then all is well. The caveat is you can only do this oh so many times, if you can't be mature and act professional then you should be promptly removed or step down from the scene.
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On March 09 2012 01:16 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2012 00:49 seiferoth10 wrote:On March 09 2012 00:04 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 08 2012 23:42 seiferoth10 wrote:On March 08 2012 23:28 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 08 2012 23:08 seiferoth10 wrote:On March 08 2012 23:06 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On March 08 2012 22:55 seiferoth10 wrote:On March 08 2012 22:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2012 22:47 seiferoth10 wrote:
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Nah, they don't carry the same weight as their root definitions. They're just general use derogatory terms in this community. Like "dickhead", do they actually mean your head is a penis? No. It's just a general use derogatory term. The root definitions being the bullying gay kids receive in school that black kids don't really anymore? To me, current issues carry more weight than past ones (however important!) Cool, you acknowledge the importance of time, now think about setting. If someone called you a faggot online, would you be offended? I think you would, but you shouldn't. It's impossible that they know you are actually homosexual, so they're not actually insulting an attribute associated with your person. They're frustrated and their only recourse is to throw out a general use derogatory term. The only way I could explain this simpler is on the internet these terms are like birdshot out of a shotgun, whereas if someone in real life who actually knew your situation used it on you, it would be like a sniper rifle. What does more damage, birdshot or a 50 cal bullet to the head? So calling every single person a slur online is okay, because the jerk can't *possibly* truly mean it, because he doesn't know their true identities? It only matters when they know you? What the hell is wrong with you? People need to be educated so that they know that even saying those things to strangers isn't acceptable. It doesn't change the fact that the jerk is using slurs offensively, which shows his intent to put you down using a slur. Since when are slurs used as compliments? How often are you playing a game of StarCraft, and your opponent says "gl hf, my fellow #$%(^# ! " Of course you don't see that. You're going to see slurs when your opponent is being a bad-mannered jackass. You're going to see "stfu $%^&*)" and that's that. You have a right to be offended at his terminology, but you may be able to brush it off because he's clearly just an ignorant, immature sore loser. Do you know what derogatory means? And, it's a general insult, not a personal insult. It's still an insult, but it's not a heat seeking missile insult directed at a quality of your person intended to offend you. They're using derogatory words. They're degrading and critical and belittling. Maybe I don't feel it as much as a black or gay person would, but obviously the lashing out is there, and the jerk feels it's appropriate to use certain slurs to offend people. And for you to think that only black people have a right to be insulted when the word "nigger" is spoken, or that only gay people should be insulted when the word "faggot" is spewed is- quite frankly- shocking. How would civil rights ever come about if not for the fact that *other people* stepped up and said "Hey, what we're doing and saying to this group of people is utter bullshit"? I'm offended when people say those things- not because I'm black or gay (I'm a straight white guy)- but because it's uneducated filth. And I'm going to be a teacher and a parent, so I have to be able to teach others why it's unacceptable as a collective. You don't get to *get away with it* just because you said it to a stranger, or to a white guy or a straight guy. So *you* don't get to tell other people "Nah don't worry about it; it wasn't meant to offend you." It should offend everyone, because it's hurting someone. Alright then, well good luck on your quest to uplift the world's vocabulary, that's truly a lofty goal. I'm merely explaining the context that people use these words in the online gaming community, if you're determined to be offended by it that's your prerogative. I still think you're too focused on the fact that the word is "nigger", and not on the fact that it is just a general insult used in the online gaming community (like nigger, faggot, dickhead, cunt, twat, bitch and whatever else tickles your fancy). This isn't real life, this is the internet. You can't police people's vocabulary on the internet. If someone calls me a "faggot" in real life my level of offendedness (is that a word? I might have meant "offense) would be 10/10, but if someone calls me a "faggot" on the internet, my level of offendedness would be 1/10. If someone insults me over the internet I wouldn't lose any sleep at night, unfortunately you're in for many sleepless nights with your sensitivity to internet slang. I'm certainly not as offended as if I witness racism in person, and I don't lose sleep over StarCraft BM either, but I'm not going to condone the behavior- or even say it's acceptable- because it's not. I'm well aware that tracking down frustrated virtual losers who throw out bigoted remarks as general insults won't do any good (especially if they can ignore you on StarCraft), but you don't shrug it off when you see the consequences and you can actually talk to someone who'll listen. Apparently you think that just because you said it over the internet means that you can get away with saying anything, which is utterly ridiculous. Calling someone a slur online as "internet slang" still has very real repercussions (as we see here with orb). You don't get to say anything you want *because* it's the internet. A lot of the time you'll get away with it, but that doesn't mean it's acceptable for you to be a jackass. Obviously, it's fantastic to understand that people enjoy saying things they don't mean and having looser lips, because you can't take everything personally, but that doesn't exempt people from the responsibility of their own words and actions. Plenty of adult jobs advise their employees to be incredibly careful with what they say or post online (e.g. on Facebook or public forums) because you *don't* get a free pass *just because it's the internet*. Try being a teacher and posting a status about how you hate "niggers and faggots", even if there aren't any black or gay students in your school. Just a general insult right? Not aimed at anyone in particular? See how much longer you have a job. I don't think you quite understand how the real world works, if you think people shouldn't care about what's posted on the internet simply by virtue of it *not being real life*. The internet is part of real life, sorry buddy. Facebook is like the anti-internet. It's a collection of real life friends that you can interact with on the internet. Also, there is a distinction between your professional life and your casual life. Even if you used that terminology in your casual life (calling your buddies "faggot" when they prank you, or whatever situation you want), why would you post that where your professional life can retrieve it? That's not posting on the internet, that's like sending a letter to your real life contacts. Also, I never said that it was okay. I said it was a 1/10 on a 10 scale. There is still offense there, but it's not nearly anywhere deserving of the resulting witch hunt it garnered. And, I like your underhanded comments of what you perceive is my inexperience in life. It's okay, it is the internet after all, I'm not offended. Or I should say, I'm 1/10 offended on a 10 scale. If you think Facebook is the anti-internet, trolling doesn't go on in the realm of Facebook, and that Facebook friends are *only* real-life friends, then I don't really know what else I can say to you... but you have a very warped view of reality. Posting things on the internet can screw you over, period. You don't get a free pass just because it wasn't spoken to someone directly, with intention, and each slur you said was spoken to the proper individual who can take most offense. And I especially like how you liken my point about your inexperience (which I've justified several times) to being offensive, as we're talking about bigoted slurs being offensive. Equivocation ftw. Anyway, I need to go do work. Enjoy the rest of your day ^^
Yes, I do think those things. The internet is anonymous. I don't know who you are or what you do (well, you're a teacher, but that was voluntary). Facebook is as unanonymous as it gets. If you added me on facebook, I would know that information and can pin any misdeeds on you.
Once again, I didn't say free pass, I said 1/10. It happened, it should be addressed, but it's not like he should be ostracized from the SC2 scene.
And yes, I do regard the two to be related. In the end, someone over the internet is throwing unguided, untargeted insults at me trying to provoke a reaction. Just like angry video game nerds use insults like accusing their opponent of still living in their mom's basement, in addition to the slew of other colorful vocabulary utilized.
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Sigh, 10 pages on an issue that should be on reddit. How does this help in terms of feedback about his casting? If you think this warrants a thread, make one. Don't usurp a useful feedback thread.
P.S. The guys abusing the slew of posts to randomly call him terrible without providing any useful feedback are the worst.
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