It shows that someone is really damned desperate to make fun of someone when they start bringing in irrevelevent stuff to try and diss the person.
The funny thing is people are all like 'fuck this jewbag virgin scrub hes a dick and a fucker cause he said nigger' like its acceptable to call out people for being a dick then be a dick yourself about it.
Jesus guys he's not nearly as bm as destiny. This thread is just haters and such. Orb just got a reputation for raging in beta and now any frustrations are labeled "Rage Whining BM." What is wrong with you people?
Well cant believe eg still backs him up even though people prove it was him and not some friend playing. not only he is unmannered and a bad caster he also lies to his company even remove the vods and shit xD oh boy hope he will soon drop out of esports
Frustration at losing should be directed at no-one but yourself. You lost, therefore he played better. End of story! Taking out your rage on other people is both wrong and counter productive as you don't learn anything from your loss. I'm not saying losing can't be frustrating or disappointing, but taking it out on others is just plain useless. Especially on the ladder, where the result of the game is irrelevant except to your own ego. More GG, more skill - certainly the players renowned for rage are either becoming less relevant or improving their attitude. How many Korean pros do you see raging after a game? So no, I can't understand people sympathizing with uncontrolled ladder rage followed by hurtful language unless they're seeking excuses for their own behaviour.
Hell even whitera will make comments when laddering and stuff. I can't remember the tourny but when he played Puma and got owned by him he typed 'terran just too good' or something, which is BM and shows he was frustrated.
So..
"All he knows is one build that's all he can do of every single game of every single matchup cuz he's a fucking waste of human life, and a waste of human resources on this planet and he honestly deserves to be dead, like I mean that 100% percent sincerely. I often joke around about this kinda stuff but, um, I would actually be much happier if that guy were just killed in preferably the most painful way possible to be honest. I'm not even sadistic, in fact pain in others usually brings me pain, personally, but not at people like that, people like that I would love to just watch that guy burn, like honestly just be in the most amount of pain for hours and hours. I would revel in that."
=
"terran just too good"
.. mhkay. Yeah, after seeing both statements side by side, it makes sense. Really. Pretty obvious how similar these are, is it not?
Read my post above yyou absolute mongchild.
Incase your too stupid to know what I'm getting at:
'Did I say they were the same thing? No i fucking didn't you moron, I was just pointing out that even the nicest of ppl get frustrated at ladder.'
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nice people get frustrated on ladder.
nice people don't take their frustration out on others.
If someone is taking a long time with your order at a shop in the real world you can get frustrated, if you call them a nigger or start insulting them then you are not a nice person....the same applies here despite it being online.
How can trying to emotionally hurt somebody else when you are annoyed be considered nice?
and yes you are not a nice person. nice people don't go around calling people mongchilds for disagreeing with them. I'm sorry that you are a jackass, maybe it's something you could work on in future
On March 08 2012 23:19 RoberP wrote: Frustration at losing should be directed at no-one but yourself. You lost, therefore he played better. End of story! Taking out your rage on other people is both wrong and counter productive as you don't learn anything from your loss. I'm not saying losing can't be frustrating or disappointing, but taking it out on others is just plain useless. Especially on the ladder, where the result of the game is irrelevant except to your own ego. More GG, more skill - certainly the players renowned for rage are either becoming less relevant or improving their attitude. How many Korean pros do you see raging after a game? So no, I can't understand people sympathizing with uncontrolled ladder rage followed by hurtful language unless they're seeking excuses for their own behaviour.
Yep, i totally agree. Very well said. Ladder would be much more fun if everybody was like you and me!
On March 08 2012 22:36 marvellosity wrote: As a gay dude, I'm curious why the use of the word 'nigger' (racial biggotry) is infinitely worse than 'faggot' (sexuality biggotry).
We're supposed to sit there and take it, while one use of 'nigger' is world-ending? Nice guys, nice :/
It isn't. It's exactly the same, at least to this community. Unfortunately some people are trying to apply the definition used in the 1700s, and not the definition used in 2012 in the online gaming community.
Which kinda makes it worse really, because the racism that is implied in the word 'nigger' is mostly (not completely) stamped out in the western world at least, whereas the homophobia implied in the word 'faggot' still runs much more rampant. Logically to me, it just makes the brouhaha here even worse :/
Nah, they don't carry the same weight as their root definitions. They're just general use derogatory terms in this community. Like "dickhead", do they actually mean your head is a penis? No. It's just a general use derogatory term.
The root definitions being the bullying gay kids receive in school that black kids don't really anymore?
To me, current issues carry more weight than past ones (however important!)
Cool, you acknowledge the importance of time, now think about setting.
If someone called you a faggot online, would you be offended? I think you would, but you shouldn't. It's impossible that they know you are actually homosexual, so they're not actually insulting an attribute associated with your person. They're frustrated and their only recourse is to throw out a general use derogatory term.
The only way I could explain this simpler is on the internet these terms are like birdshot out of a shotgun, whereas if someone in real life who actually knew your situation used it on you, it would be like a sniper rifle. What does more damage, birdshot or a 50 cal bullet to the head?
So calling every single person a slur online is okay, because the jerk can't *possibly* truly mean it, because he doesn't know their true identities? It only matters when they know you?
What the hell is wrong with you? People need to be educated so that they know that even saying those things to strangers isn't acceptable.
It doesn't change the fact that the jerk is using slurs offensively, which shows his intent to put you down using a slur. Since when are slurs used as compliments? How often are you playing a game of StarCraft, and your opponent says "gl hf, my fellow #$%(^# ! " Of course you don't see that. You're going to see slurs when your opponent is being a bad-mannered jackass. You're going to see "stfu $%^&*)" and that's that. You have a right to be offended at his terminology, but you may be able to brush it off because he's clearly just an ignorant, immature sore loser.
Do you know what derogatory means? And, it's a general insult, not a personal insult. It's still an insult, but it's not a heat seeking missile insult directed at a quality of your person intended to offend you.
They're using derogatory words. They're degrading and critical and belittling. Maybe I don't feel it as much as a black or gay person would, but obviously the lashing out is there, and the jerk feels it's appropriate to use certain slurs to offend people.
And for you to think that only black people have a right to be insulted when the word "nigger" is spoken, or that only gay people should be insulted when the word "faggot" is spewed is- quite frankly- shocking. How would civil rights ever come about if not for the fact that *other people* stepped up and said "Hey, what we're doing and saying to this group of people is utter bullshit"? I'm offended when people say those things- not because I'm black or gay (I'm a straight white guy)- but because it's uneducated filth. And I'm going to be a teacher and a parent, so I have to be able to teach others why it's unacceptable as a collective. You don't get to *get away with it* just because you said it to a stranger, or to a white guy or a straight guy.
So *you* don't get to tell other people "Nah don't worry about it; it wasn't meant to offend you." It should offend everyone, because it's hurting someone.
Hell even whitera will make comments when laddering and stuff. I can't remember the tourny but when he played Puma and got owned by him he typed 'terran just too good' or something, which is BM and shows he was frustrated.
So..
"All he knows is one build that's all he can do of every single game of every single matchup cuz he's a fucking waste of human life, and a waste of human resources on this planet and he honestly deserves to be dead, like I mean that 100% percent sincerely. I often joke around about this kinda stuff but, um, I would actually be much happier if that guy were just killed in preferably the most painful way possible to be honest. I'm not even sadistic, in fact pain in others usually brings me pain, personally, but not at people like that, people like that I would love to just watch that guy burn, like honestly just be in the most amount of pain for hours and hours. I would revel in that."
=
"terran just too good"
.. mhkay. Yeah, after seeing both statements side by side, it makes sense. Really. Pretty obvious how similar these are, is it not?
Read my post above yyou absolute mongchild.
Incase your too stupid to know what I'm getting at:
'Did I say they were the same thing? No i fucking didn't you moron, I was just pointing out that even the nicest of ppl get frustrated at ladder.'
User was warned for this post
nice people get frustrated on ladder.
nice people don't take their frustration out on others.
If someone is taking a long time with your order at a shop in the real world you can get frustrated, if you call them a nigger or start insulting them then you are not a nice person....the same applies here despite it being online.
How can trying to emotionally hurt somebody else when you are annoyed be considered nice?
and yes you are not a nice person. nice people don't go around calling people mongchilds for disagreeing with them. I'm sorry that you are a jackass, maybe it's something you could work on in future
ha ha. I can just see it now. The cashier is slow bagging my groceries and I go, "can you stuff the bags faster you lazy niggres*.." I can see that going over well...
gotta agree, the guy who was calling someone mongchild comes across as someone with poor impulse control. The internet is for being amused, not angry
Hell even whitera will make comments when laddering and stuff. I can't remember the tourny but when he played Puma and got owned by him he typed 'terran just too good' or something, which is BM and shows he was frustrated.
So..
"All he knows is one build that's all he can do of every single game of every single matchup cuz he's a fucking waste of human life, and a waste of human resources on this planet and he honestly deserves to be dead, like I mean that 100% percent sincerely. I often joke around about this kinda stuff but, um, I would actually be much happier if that guy were just killed in preferably the most painful way possible to be honest. I'm not even sadistic, in fact pain in others usually brings me pain, personally, but not at people like that, people like that I would love to just watch that guy burn, like honestly just be in the most amount of pain for hours and hours. I would revel in that."
=
"terran just too good"
.. mhkay. Yeah, after seeing both statements side by side, it makes sense. Really. Pretty obvious how similar these are, is it not?
Read my post above yyou absolute mongchild.
Incase your too stupid to know what I'm getting at:
'Did I say they were the same thing? No i fucking didn't you moron, I was just pointing out that even the nicest of ppl get frustrated at ladder.'
User was warned for this post
nice people get frustrated on ladder.
nice people don't take their frustration out on others.
If someone is taking a long time with your order at a shop in the real world you can get frustrated, if you call them a nigger or start insulting them then you are not a nice person....the same applies here despite it being online.
How can trying to emotionally hurt somebody else when you are annoyed be considered nice?
and yes you are not a nice person. nice people don't go around calling people mongchilds for disagreeing with them. I'm sorry that you are a jackass, maybe it's something you could work on in future
Lmfao what? First off that spaz didnt disagree with me, he put words in my mouth and then argued with them which is BS. All I said was even ppl like Whitera get frustrated at this game. I didn't say its ok to call people nigger when you get frustrated, just that people get frustrated. Learn to read mate especially if your gonna call me on in this thread and judge my morals/ call me a jackass
On March 08 2012 22:36 marvellosity wrote: As a gay dude, I'm curious why the use of the word 'nigger' (racial biggotry) is infinitely worse than 'faggot' (sexuality biggotry).
We're supposed to sit there and take it, while one use of 'nigger' is world-ending? Nice guys, nice :/
It isn't. It's exactly the same, at least to this community. Unfortunately some people are trying to apply the definition used in the 1700s, and not the definition used in 2012 in the online gaming community.
Which kinda makes it worse really, because the racism that is implied in the word 'nigger' is mostly (not completely) stamped out in the western world at least, whereas the homophobia implied in the word 'faggot' still runs much more rampant. Logically to me, it just makes the brouhaha here even worse :/
Nah, they don't carry the same weight as their root definitions. They're just general use derogatory terms in this community. Like "dickhead", do they actually mean your head is a penis? No. It's just a general use derogatory term.
The root definitions being the bullying gay kids receive in school that black kids don't really anymore?
To me, current issues carry more weight than past ones (however important!)
Cool, you acknowledge the importance of time, now think about setting.
If someone called you a faggot online, would you be offended? I think you would, but you shouldn't. It's impossible that they know you are actually homosexual, so they're not actually insulting an attribute associated with your person. They're frustrated and their only recourse is to throw out a general use derogatory term.
The only way I could explain this simpler is on the internet these terms are like birdshot out of a shotgun, whereas if someone in real life who actually knew your situation used it on you, it would be like a sniper rifle. What does more damage, birdshot or a 50 cal bullet to the head?
So calling every single person a slur online is okay, because the jerk can't *possibly* truly mean it, because he doesn't know their true identities? It only matters when they know you?
What the hell is wrong with you? People need to be educated so that they know that even saying those things to strangers isn't acceptable.
It doesn't change the fact that the jerk is using slurs offensively, which shows his intent to put you down using a slur. Since when are slurs used as compliments? How often are you playing a game of StarCraft, and your opponent says "gl hf, my fellow #$%(^# ! " Of course you don't see that. You're going to see slurs when your opponent is being a bad-mannered jackass. You're going to see "stfu $%^&*)" and that's that. You have a right to be offended at his terminology, but you may be able to brush it off because he's clearly just an ignorant, immature sore loser.
Do you know what derogatory means? And, it's a general insult, not a personal insult. It's still an insult, but it's not a heat seeking missile insult directed at a quality of your person intended to offend you.
They're using derogatory words. They're degrading and critical and belittling. Maybe I don't feel it as much as a black or gay person would, but obviously the lashing out is there, and the jerk feels it's appropriate to use certain slurs to offend people.
And for you to think that only black people have a right to be insulted when the word "nigger" is spoken, or that only gay people should be insulted when the word "faggot" is spewed is- quite frankly- shocking. How would civil rights ever come about if not for the fact that *other people* stepped up and said "Hey, what we're doing and saying to this group of people is utter bullshit"? I'm offended when people say those things- not because I'm black or gay (I'm a straight white guy)- but because it's uneducated filth. And I'm going to be a teacher and a parent, so I have to be able to teach others why it's unacceptable as a collective. You don't get to *get away with it* just because you said it to a stranger, or to a white guy or a straight guy.
So *you* don't get to tell other people "Nah don't worry about it; it wasn't meant to offend you." It should offend everyone, because it's hurting someone.
Alright then, well good luck on your quest to uplift the world's vocabulary, that's truly a lofty goal. I'm merely explaining the context that people use these words in the online gaming community, if you're determined to be offended by it that's your prerogative. I still think you're too focused on the fact that the word is "nigger", and not on the fact that it is just a general insult used in the online gaming community (like nigger, faggot, dickhead, cunt, twat, bitch and whatever else tickles your fancy).
This isn't real life, this is the internet. You can't police people's vocabulary on the internet. If someone calls me a "faggot" in real life my level of offendedness (is that a word? I might have meant "offense) would be 10/10, but if someone calls me a "faggot" on the internet, my level of offendedness would be 1/10. If someone insults me over the internet I wouldn't lose any sleep at night, unfortunately you're in for many sleepless nights with your sensitivity to internet slang.
On March 08 2012 21:47 Ventor wrote: Being an African American myself, words cannot describe my hate towards orb because of the slander that came from him. My feedback to you orb is to live as a slave the rest of your life and learn what it means to be called a .....
have you lived as a slave for you entire life? didnt know slaves were allowed computers or starcraft 2 accounts alabama is more progressive than I'd assumed
My ancestors were. You're a terrible person.
Wait, so the only way for him to understand the hurt you feel like when you hear that word, is to live as a slave did for the rest of his life, which you never did? As an Irish American this confuses me.
The choice of language and intent are offensive, the argument is about whether a high profile community member should be doing it, not how offensive it is. Answer - no.
On March 08 2012 22:36 marvellosity wrote: As a gay dude, I'm curious why the use of the word 'nigger' (racial biggotry) is infinitely worse than 'faggot' (sexuality biggotry).
We're supposed to sit there and take it, while one use of 'nigger' is world-ending? Nice guys, nice :/
It isn't. It's exactly the same, at least to this community. Unfortunately some people are trying to apply the definition used in the 1700s, and not the definition used in 2012 in the online gaming community.
Which kinda makes it worse really, because the racism that is implied in the word 'nigger' is mostly (not completely) stamped out in the western world at least, whereas the homophobia implied in the word 'faggot' still runs much more rampant. Logically to me, it just makes the brouhaha here even worse :/
Nah, they don't carry the same weight as their root definitions. They're just general use derogatory terms in this community. Like "dickhead", do they actually mean your head is a penis? No. It's just a general use derogatory term.
The root definitions being the bullying gay kids receive in school that black kids don't really anymore?
To me, current issues carry more weight than past ones (however important!)
Cool, you acknowledge the importance of time, now think about setting.
If someone called you a faggot online, would you be offended? I think you would, but you shouldn't. It's impossible that they know you are actually homosexual, so they're not actually insulting an attribute associated with your person. They're frustrated and their only recourse is to throw out a general use derogatory term.
The only way I could explain this simpler is on the internet these terms are like birdshot out of a shotgun, whereas if someone in real life who actually knew your situation used it on you, it would be like a sniper rifle. What does more damage, birdshot or a 50 cal bullet to the head?
So calling every single person a slur online is okay, because the jerk can't *possibly* truly mean it, because he doesn't know their true identities? It only matters when they know you?
What the hell is wrong with you? People need to be educated so that they know that even saying those things to strangers isn't acceptable.
It doesn't change the fact that the jerk is using slurs offensively, which shows his intent to put you down using a slur. Since when are slurs used as compliments? How often are you playing a game of StarCraft, and your opponent says "gl hf, my fellow #$%(^# ! " Of course you don't see that. You're going to see slurs when your opponent is being a bad-mannered jackass. You're going to see "stfu $%^&*)" and that's that. You have a right to be offended at his terminology, but you may be able to brush it off because he's clearly just an ignorant, immature sore loser.
Do you know what derogatory means? And, it's a general insult, not a personal insult. It's still an insult, but it's not a heat seeking missile insult directed at a quality of your person intended to offend you.
They're using derogatory words. They're degrading and critical and belittling. Maybe I don't feel it as much as a black or gay person would, but obviously the lashing out is there, and the jerk feels it's appropriate to use certain slurs to offend people.
And for you to think that only black people have a right to be insulted when the word "nigger" is spoken, or that only gay people should be insulted when the word "faggot" is spewed is- quite frankly- shocking. How would civil rights ever come about if not for the fact that *other people* stepped up and said "Hey, what we're doing and saying to this group of people is utter bullshit"? I'm offended when people say those things- not because I'm black or gay (I'm a straight white guy)- but because it's uneducated filth. And I'm going to be a teacher and a parent, so I have to be able to teach others why it's unacceptable as a collective. You don't get to *get away with it* just because you said it to a stranger, or to a white guy or a straight guy.
So *you* don't get to tell other people "Nah don't worry about it; it wasn't meant to offend you." It should offend everyone, because it's hurting someone.
Alright then, well good luck on your quest to uplift the world's vocabulary, that's truly a lofty goal. I'm merely explaining the context that people use these words in the online gaming community, if you're determined to be offended by it that's your prerogative. I still think you're too focused on the fact that the word is "nigger", and not on the fact that it is just a general insult used in the online gaming community (like nigger, faggot, dickhead, cunt, twat, bitch and whatever else tickles your fancy).
This isn't real life, this is the internet. You can't police people's vocabulary on the internet. If someone calls me a "faggot" in real life my level of offendedness (is that a word? I might have meant "offense) would be 10/10, but if someone calls me a "faggot" on the internet, my level of offendedness would be 1/10. If someone insults me over the internet I wouldn't lose any sleep at night, unfortunately you're in for many sleepless nights with your sensitivity to internet slang.
You right, there are a lot of idiots out there in the internet, calling each other nigger and faggot. We cant change that. But what we can do is chosing the casters for our tournaments wisely. My vote goes for a non-idiot. And most people would agree. So orb is the wrong choice.
I've never had anything against Orb and even after 'orbgate' began I was just waiting for him to come out with a statement like this:
"Like many of you, I've raged at people on the ladder, I've said things I am not proud of and I've behaved in an inconsiderate and immature way. This particular event happened before I was employed by EG and whilst I cannot change what I said, I can apologise for my actions and make the promise to reform my character as I'm now in a privileged position that demands I show respect and maturity. I've had a discussion with EG's management and while they aren't thrilled, they recognise this was in the past and as long as I continue to demonstrate that I have changed, no action will be taken against me.
Once again, I'm sorry to everyone I have offended with the comments I made, I hope you can agree to judge me on my current actions and not my past."
A statement like that would have shut down most of the issues right away. Yes, people would still be raging over it, but most would understand that it was in the past and that change has been promised. They'd be watching to wait for you to screw up again perhaps, but they'd drop the issue pretty damn quickly and you could get on with your life.
Unfortunately what happened was a series of misguided excuses and lies. I believe it's these that have seen what could have been a simple blip in Orb's career, turn into a long term witch hunt which likely wont be dropped any time soon.
Orb chose to try and lie his way out of it and even attempted to destroy the evidence of his wrong doing. It's this that has most people up in arms. Everyone can recognise that people have made mistakes in the past, we've all done it, apologies generally have to be accepted and second chances given. If you choose the path of lies and deceit to try and avoid admitting your wrongs then you're going to be in for a world of hassle, because people really do not like brazen lies in such situations.
Personally I can forgive Orb's trash talk and rage from ladder play, as Wheat has said, it's something almost all of us have done at least once or twice in our gaming careers. What I'm not comfortable with is the way he decided to brazenly try to lie his way out of it, even though there was proof that he did it. You simply can't walk between "someone is impersonating me", "it wasn't me, it was my friend on my account", "I was drunk, it was late at night" and "he called me the n-word first" and expect people to drop the issue without giving you some serious hassle over it.
Those who are defending Orb for what he said in the past, I think the majority of the community is in agreement that it was in the past and it should be dropped. The issue now is how he has repeatedly tried to lie his way out of it and cover it up, rather than admitting it and moving on.
I just think someone who goes on psychotic rants like Orb does, wishing death upon people who beat him, using the most offensive words he can muster (whatever your suburban white male opinion of racism is he is using the most shocking word he can think to throw at people) and then lying about it all over and over, trying to rationalize it etc, is someone who lacks integrity. I don't personally want to watch a person like that no matter how convincingly he can act during a cast.
On March 08 2012 22:36 marvellosity wrote: As a gay dude, I'm curious why the use of the word 'nigger' (racial biggotry) is infinitely worse than 'faggot' (sexuality biggotry).
We're supposed to sit there and take it, while one use of 'nigger' is world-ending? Nice guys, nice :/
It isn't. It's exactly the same, at least to this community. Unfortunately some people are trying to apply the definition used in the 1700s, and not the definition used in 2012 in the online gaming community.
Which kinda makes it worse really, because the racism that is implied in the word 'nigger' is mostly (not completely) stamped out in the western world at least, whereas the homophobia implied in the word 'faggot' still runs much more rampant. Logically to me, it just makes the brouhaha here even worse :/
Nah, they don't carry the same weight as their root definitions. They're just general use derogatory terms in this community. Like "dickhead", do they actually mean your head is a penis? No. It's just a general use derogatory term.
The root definitions being the bullying gay kids receive in school that black kids don't really anymore?
To me, current issues carry more weight than past ones (however important!)
Cool, you acknowledge the importance of time, now think about setting.
If someone called you a faggot online, would you be offended? I think you would, but you shouldn't. It's impossible that they know you are actually homosexual, so they're not actually insulting an attribute associated with your person. They're frustrated and their only recourse is to throw out a general use derogatory term.
The only way I could explain this simpler is on the internet these terms are like birdshot out of a shotgun, whereas if someone in real life who actually knew your situation used it on you, it would be like a sniper rifle. What does more damage, birdshot or a 50 cal bullet to the head?
So calling every single person a slur online is okay, because the jerk can't *possibly* truly mean it, because he doesn't know their true identities? It only matters when they know you?
What the hell is wrong with you? People need to be educated so that they know that even saying those things to strangers isn't acceptable.
It doesn't change the fact that the jerk is using slurs offensively, which shows his intent to put you down using a slur. Since when are slurs used as compliments? How often are you playing a game of StarCraft, and your opponent says "gl hf, my fellow #$%(^# ! " Of course you don't see that. You're going to see slurs when your opponent is being a bad-mannered jackass. You're going to see "stfu $%^&*)" and that's that. You have a right to be offended at his terminology, but you may be able to brush it off because he's clearly just an ignorant, immature sore loser.
Do you know what derogatory means? And, it's a general insult, not a personal insult. It's still an insult, but it's not a heat seeking missile insult directed at a quality of your person intended to offend you.
OK dude, here lets apply this to something else outside of this instance.
Lemme go take the subway to North Philly, I'll go and buy a cheesesteak, Yummy!
I think the guy is overpriced, so I'll tell him, yo!, N----, wtf why are you overcharging me.
Now the 3 african americans standing behind me in line...do they take offense?
If you were to say no, you should really go out more often.
He always holds himself high and is arrogant whenever he has co-caster. He is in the spotlight and he had to have known that, why take the risk of insulting someone like that. You get pissed off on ladder? Sure, everyone does at one point or another, but just gg and if you still wanna be pissed, be mad at yourself for fucking up. I can't believe people are actually saying, well get to masters then its frustrating enough to call someone a racial slur...WTF where is the logic in that, bronze fuck up, GM's fuck up, be mad at yourself, this community would be so much better if people would realize that.
edit: I really wouldn't be that troubled with this situation if it wasn't for the fact that he's lying about it, and refusing to apologize. We don't need somebody like this casting major tournaments, and I'll make an effort not to watch anything he's casting in the future.
I actually enjoy watching your casts because you do explain a lot of things in detail. I really like that and even if the player doesn't do as you predict it is still a very good look into the decision-making and the thought-process behind it.
One thing that irks me a bit is that when things get really exciting you start to talk really fast, like really relly fast ^^
This is good in building up excitement in general but for me it gets really hard to follow you as I am no native-speaker. If you could go a tad slower in those cases it would be really appreciated even though I can understand if you would prefer to keep the excitement-level up in those moments.
Don't know if other non-english-speakers do have the same problem or if it is just me.
The guy has been a mental case on his stream since the beta and now all of a sudden people are shocked and appalled? This is standard behavior from orb when he's not faking it. When TL brought him in as a caster for TLOpens I first chuckled and thought it was BiggerT trolling...alas it was not, they were dead serious.
On March 08 2012 22:36 marvellosity wrote: As a gay dude, I'm curious why the use of the word 'nigger' (racial biggotry) is infinitely worse than 'faggot' (sexuality biggotry).
We're supposed to sit there and take it, while one use of 'nigger' is world-ending? Nice guys, nice :/
It isn't. It's exactly the same, at least to this community. Unfortunately some people are trying to apply the definition used in the 1700s, and not the definition used in 2012 in the online gaming community.
Which kinda makes it worse really, because the racism that is implied in the word 'nigger' is mostly (not completely) stamped out in the western world at least, whereas the homophobia implied in the word 'faggot' still runs much more rampant. Logically to me, it just makes the brouhaha here even worse :/
Nah, they don't carry the same weight as their root definitions. They're just general use derogatory terms in this community. Like "dickhead", do they actually mean your head is a penis? No. It's just a general use derogatory term.
The root definitions being the bullying gay kids receive in school that black kids don't really anymore?
To me, current issues carry more weight than past ones (however important!)
Cool, you acknowledge the importance of time, now think about setting.
If someone called you a faggot online, would you be offended? I think you would, but you shouldn't. It's impossible that they know you are actually homosexual, so they're not actually insulting an attribute associated with your person. They're frustrated and their only recourse is to throw out a general use derogatory term.
The only way I could explain this simpler is on the internet these terms are like birdshot out of a shotgun, whereas if someone in real life who actually knew your situation used it on you, it would be like a sniper rifle. What does more damage, birdshot or a 50 cal bullet to the head?
People like you are the worst of the worst.
Sorry that I can actually rationalize internet slang. I'll try my best to live life with my blinders on, being offended at every turn, as you have shown me the light.
Have you ever heard of slang? Definitions of words depend on the setting. Think about it.
Starcraft will go a long way with these attitudes. I can't possibly understand why we aren't more mainstream when casters and players are using the N word on a regular basis.
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