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On March 08 2012 22:20 Lowell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 21:55 Ventor wrote:On March 08 2012 21:50 Mordlikeafox wrote:On March 08 2012 21:47 Ventor wrote:
Being an African American myself, words cannot describe my hate towards orb because of the slander that came from him. My feedback to you orb is to live as a slave the rest of your life and learn what it means to be called a ..... have you lived as a slave for you entire life? didnt know slaves were allowed computers or starcraft 2 accounts alabama is more progressive than I'd assumed My ancestors were. You're a terrible person. Yeah and my ancestors were nazis. Does that make me a fashist? You are not your ancestors stop trying to get sympathy for things that happened before you lived. Thats just stupid.
Do you have any idea what the fuck you are talking about? He isn't trying to get sympathy for things that happened before he lived, he is responding to somone who was using the fact that he's not infact a slave as an argument.
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On March 08 2012 22:20 Lowell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 21:55 Ventor wrote:On March 08 2012 21:50 Mordlikeafox wrote:On March 08 2012 21:47 Ventor wrote:
Being an African American myself, words cannot describe my hate towards orb because of the slander that came from him. My feedback to you orb is to live as a slave the rest of your life and learn what it means to be called a ..... have you lived as a slave for you entire life? didnt know slaves were allowed computers or starcraft 2 accounts alabama is more progressive than I'd assumed My ancestors were. You're a terrible person. Yeah and my ancestors were nazis. Does that make me a fashist? You are not your ancestors stop trying to get sympathy for things that happened before you lived. Thats just stupid. Edit: Just to clarify i think what orb did and how he handled this situation is just as stupid at people saying this is about racism.
I guess people will never understand how it feels to have your ancestors treated worse than dogs for their entire lives. It's a shame people like you exist in our community.
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On March 08 2012 21:42 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 21:40 BearDK wrote:
it is obvious that orb did not have any racist intentions using "nigger" as a swear word. it's the same with people saying "faggot", 99 % of the time there are no homophobic intentions behind it. "nigger" and "faggot" are just words that have (sadly) been incorporated into the english language as common swear words, and I'll bet my balls that Orb had no racist intentions. Not this discussion again.... It's a bad thing to say, end of story.
yes but I'm just saying it's no worse than "faggot".
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As a gay dude, I'm curious why the use of the word 'nigger' (racial biggotry) is infinitely worse than 'faggot' (sexuality biggotry).
We're supposed to sit there and take it, while one use of 'nigger' is world-ending? Nice guys, nice :/
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On March 08 2012 22:36 marvellosity wrote:
As a gay dude, I'm curious why the use of the word 'nigger' (racial biggotry) is infinitely worse than 'faggot' (sexuality biggotry).
We're supposed to sit there and take it, while one use of 'nigger' is world-ending? Nice guys, nice :/
It isn't. It's exactly the same, at least to this community. Unfortunately some people are trying to apply the definition used in the 1700s, and not the definition used in 2012 in the online gaming community.
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Keep up the good casting!
Don't mind reddit, they're witchunt-trigger-happy.
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On March 08 2012 22:38 seiferoth10 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 22:36 marvellosity wrote:
As a gay dude, I'm curious why the use of the word 'nigger' (racial biggotry) is infinitely worse than 'faggot' (sexuality biggotry).
We're supposed to sit there and take it, while one use of 'nigger' is world-ending? Nice guys, nice :/ It isn't. It's exactly the same, at least to this community. Unfortunately some people are trying to apply the definition used in the 1700s, and not the definition used in 2012 in the online gaming community.
its exactly the same and you know it, if you call a gay person that you dont know a faggot they are going to be as offended if you call a black person a nigger.
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On March 08 2012 22:38 seiferoth10 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 22:36 marvellosity wrote:
As a gay dude, I'm curious why the use of the word 'nigger' (racial biggotry) is infinitely worse than 'faggot' (sexuality biggotry).
We're supposed to sit there and take it, while one use of 'nigger' is world-ending? Nice guys, nice :/ It isn't. It's exactly the same, at least to this community. Unfortunately some people are trying to apply the definition used in the 1700s, and not the definition used in 2012 in the online gaming community.
Which kinda makes it worse really, because the racism that is implied in the word 'nigger' is mostly (not completely) stamped out in the western world at least, whereas the homophobia implied in the word 'faggot' still runs much more rampant. Logically to me, it just makes the brouhaha here even worse :/
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Doesn't matter which is worse IMO. You shouldn't be using either word...ever. You can do all the mental gymnastics you want to try to justify its use but at the end of the day you're still just a bigot. Orb has been warned before about making racial slurs and now we have a screenshot of it.
I'm curious as to why EG is siding with his blatant lie. They have to know it's a lie so there must be some reason they're sticking up for him. Oh well, it's GOING to happen again and it'll be much more difficult to defend him the next time.
Although I do agree with Marv that it is incredibly stupid that one use of the n-word causes a freaking riot but people are allowed all sorts of other bigotry on their stream. If we're going to get pissed about the n-word we should be getting pissed about ALL bigotry.
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I never liked him, he is just a small akward person who has too much hate in him. thats why he bad manners people on ladder and uses words like that. he shouldnt be allowed to cast at major events in my oppinion.
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On March 08 2012 22:40 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 22:38 seiferoth10 wrote:On March 08 2012 22:36 marvellosity wrote:
As a gay dude, I'm curious why the use of the word 'nigger' (racial biggotry) is infinitely worse than 'faggot' (sexuality biggotry).
We're supposed to sit there and take it, while one use of 'nigger' is world-ending? Nice guys, nice :/ It isn't. It's exactly the same, at least to this community. Unfortunately some people are trying to apply the definition used in the 1700s, and not the definition used in 2012 in the online gaming community. Which kinda makes it worse really, because the racism that is implied in the word 'nigger' is mostly (not completely) stamped out in the western world at least, whereas the homophobia implied in the word 'faggot' still runs much more rampant. Logically to me, it just makes the brouhaha here even worse :/
Nah, they don't carry the same weight as their root definitions. They're just general use derogatory terms in this community. Like "dickhead", do they actually mean your head is a penis? No. It's just a general use derogatory term. It's impossible to zero in on a feature to insult because of the anonymity of the internet, so the insults are quite general in nature.
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On March 08 2012 22:47 seiferoth10 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 22:40 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2012 22:38 seiferoth10 wrote:On March 08 2012 22:36 marvellosity wrote:
As a gay dude, I'm curious why the use of the word 'nigger' (racial biggotry) is infinitely worse than 'faggot' (sexuality biggotry).
We're supposed to sit there and take it, while one use of 'nigger' is world-ending? Nice guys, nice :/ It isn't. It's exactly the same, at least to this community. Unfortunately some people are trying to apply the definition used in the 1700s, and not the definition used in 2012 in the online gaming community. Which kinda makes it worse really, because the racism that is implied in the word 'nigger' is mostly (not completely) stamped out in the western world at least, whereas the homophobia implied in the word 'faggot' still runs much more rampant. Logically to me, it just makes the brouhaha here even worse :/ Nah, they don't carry the same weight as their root definitions. They're just general use derogatory terms in this community. Like "dickhead", do they actually mean your head is a penis? No. It's just a general use derogatory term.
The root definitions being the bullying gay kids receive in school that black kids don't really anymore?
To me, current issues carry more weight than past ones (however important!)
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On March 08 2012 22:36 marvellosity wrote:
As a gay dude, I'm curious why the use of the word 'nigger' (racial biggotry) is infinitely worse than 'faggot' (sexuality biggotry).
We're supposed to sit there and take it, while one use of 'nigger' is world-ending? Nice guys, nice :/
In a perfect world, all slurs would be unacceptable, and anyone using them would be immediately educated (or ostracized, depending on whether or not they say them repeatedly and to be mean), and we would live in a bigotry-free world! 
In reality, to actually answer your question, I think "faggot" has become more colloquialized and used in everyday language to mean things other than a slur towards a gay person (just like "that's so gay" or "that's so retarded"- although, obviously, "faggot" is more extreme of a word). For example, laymen often use it to just mean "a jerk" in general, not necessarily pertaining to one's sexual orientation. (That doesn't mean I'm condoning the use of the word "faggot" in certain contexts; I'm just letting you know why some people don't view it as bad as "nigger".) On the other hand, "nigger" has always (from my experiences, anyway) carried a racial undertone. There are no other colloquial definitions for "nigger" other than speaking down to a black person. So it seems that "faggot" has become better ingrained in our society because we use it in multiple ways. And... maybe because we haven't quite gotten around to fully accepting gay people here in America, whereas we've already had our black civil rights movement. We should get on that.
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Even if his story about a friend using his account, Orb has used the "n-word" lots of times in the not so distant past. As I said at page 1, he's an unserious person. Orb doesn't have an inch of self-restraint when he continues to spew ridiculous crap after he's earned himself a prominent position in the community as a caster.
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On March 08 2012 22:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 22:47 seiferoth10 wrote:On March 08 2012 22:40 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2012 22:38 seiferoth10 wrote:On March 08 2012 22:36 marvellosity wrote:
As a gay dude, I'm curious why the use of the word 'nigger' (racial biggotry) is infinitely worse than 'faggot' (sexuality biggotry).
We're supposed to sit there and take it, while one use of 'nigger' is world-ending? Nice guys, nice :/ It isn't. It's exactly the same, at least to this community. Unfortunately some people are trying to apply the definition used in the 1700s, and not the definition used in 2012 in the online gaming community. Which kinda makes it worse really, because the racism that is implied in the word 'nigger' is mostly (not completely) stamped out in the western world at least, whereas the homophobia implied in the word 'faggot' still runs much more rampant. Logically to me, it just makes the brouhaha here even worse :/ Nah, they don't carry the same weight as their root definitions. They're just general use derogatory terms in this community. Like "dickhead", do they actually mean your head is a penis? No. It's just a general use derogatory term. The root definitions being the bullying gay kids receive in school that black kids don't really anymore? To me, current issues carry more weight than past ones (however important!)
Cool, you acknowledge the importance of time, now think about setting.
If someone called you a faggot online, would you be offended? I think you would, but you shouldn't. It's impossible that they know you are actually homosexual, so they're not actually insulting an attribute associated with your person. They're frustrated and their only recourse is to throw out a general use derogatory term.
The only way I could explain this simpler is on the internet these terms are like birdshot out of a shotgun, whereas if someone in real life who actually knew your situation used it on you, it would be like a sniper rifle. What does more damage, birdshot or a 50 cal bullet to the head?
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On March 08 2012 22:47 seiferoth10 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 22:40 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2012 22:38 seiferoth10 wrote:On March 08 2012 22:36 marvellosity wrote:
As a gay dude, I'm curious why the use of the word 'nigger' (racial biggotry) is infinitely worse than 'faggot' (sexuality biggotry).
We're supposed to sit there and take it, while one use of 'nigger' is world-ending? Nice guys, nice :/ It isn't. It's exactly the same, at least to this community. Unfortunately some people are trying to apply the definition used in the 1700s, and not the definition used in 2012 in the online gaming community. Which kinda makes it worse really, because the racism that is implied in the word 'nigger' is mostly (not completely) stamped out in the western world at least, whereas the homophobia implied in the word 'faggot' still runs much more rampant. Logically to me, it just makes the brouhaha here even worse :/ Nah, they don't carry the same weight as their root definitions. They're just general use derogatory terms in this community. Like "dickhead", do they actually mean your head is a penis? No. It's just a general use derogatory term. It's impossible to zero in on a feature to insult because of the anonymity of the internet, so the insults are quite general in nature.
They said the same thing before about nigger and now its completely unacceptable, faggot is exactly the same and comparing it to dick head is stupid. Dick head has no race or oreintation of sex attatched to it, it is just a normal insult. Calling someone a faggot is saying its bad to be gay like saying someone is a nigger is implying its bad to be black and they are completely unacceptable.
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On March 08 2012 22:36 marvellosity wrote:
As a gay dude, I'm curious why the use of the word 'nigger' (racial biggotry) is infinitely worse than 'faggot' (sexuality biggotry).
We're supposed to sit there and take it, while one use of 'nigger' is world-ending? Nice guys, nice :/
In real life at least almost no one uses these words. Not in England anyway.
For some reason they're acceptable on the internet primarily from people from Scandinavia and the United States.
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On March 08 2012 22:55 seiferoth10 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 22:48 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2012 22:47 seiferoth10 wrote:On March 08 2012 22:40 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2012 22:38 seiferoth10 wrote:On March 08 2012 22:36 marvellosity wrote:
As a gay dude, I'm curious why the use of the word 'nigger' (racial biggotry) is infinitely worse than 'faggot' (sexuality biggotry).
We're supposed to sit there and take it, while one use of 'nigger' is world-ending? Nice guys, nice :/ It isn't. It's exactly the same, at least to this community. Unfortunately some people are trying to apply the definition used in the 1700s, and not the definition used in 2012 in the online gaming community. Which kinda makes it worse really, because the racism that is implied in the word 'nigger' is mostly (not completely) stamped out in the western world at least, whereas the homophobia implied in the word 'faggot' still runs much more rampant. Logically to me, it just makes the brouhaha here even worse :/ Nah, they don't carry the same weight as their root definitions. They're just general use derogatory terms in this community. Like "dickhead", do they actually mean your head is a penis? No. It's just a general use derogatory term. The root definitions being the bullying gay kids receive in school that black kids don't really anymore? To me, current issues carry more weight than past ones (however important!) Cool, you acknowledge the importance of time, now think about setting. If someone called you a faggot online, would you be offended? I think you would, but you shouldn't. It's impossible that they know you are actually homosexual, so they're not actually insulting an attribute associated with your person. They're frustrated and their only recourse is to throw out a general use derogatory term. The only way I could explain this simpler is on the internet these terms are like birdshot out of a shotgun, whereas if someone in real life who actually knew your situation used it on you, it would be like a sniper rifle. What does more damage, birdshot or a 50 cal bullet to the head?
People like you are the worst of the worst.
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On March 08 2012 21:55 Ventor wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2012 21:50 Mordlikeafox wrote:On March 08 2012 21:47 Ventor wrote:
Being an African American myself, words cannot describe my hate towards orb because of the slander that came from him. My feedback to you orb is to live as a slave the rest of your life and learn what it means to be called a ..... have you lived as a slave for you entire life? didnt know slaves were allowed computers or starcraft 2 accounts alabama is more progressive than I'd assumed My ancestors were. You're a terrible person.
What does the word "nigger" got to do with slave? Slaves have existed for thousands of years and it's not a problem just of "black/african" people. I'm portuguese and i bet i also had slave ancestors from thousands of years, what's your point? Only black people were slaves? omg.. get yourselft informed way before christ there was slaves, white slaves, chinese slaves, african slaves.. Your kind is the only one being inslaved. And for your information it was the african "kings" that sold your kind to the europeans and we brought them to the americas.. It was a bussiness, diferent times, accepted it and move on. People know better now and changed their ways. If you get offended because your ancesters were slaves, you need to grow up, like your enslavers did.
Because you are african american you get offended because the n word is a slave word? or because it's a slander to all african americans?
If it really was Orb, don't get me wrong i don't think what he did is right, i just don't think people should get so worked up over this. Professionals? Wtf is professional in SC2? ... get out of your high horses..
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