EPTorb Casting Feedback Thread - Page 27
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pepsimaxibon
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BrauL
Canada197 Posts
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LF9
United States537 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:11 hunts wrote: I'm not a fan of orb's casting. I don't like how his voice is high pitched nasaly and whiny, although I understand you can't really control your voice. I'm not a fan of the way he commentates, mainly how excited he gets, and how he tries to be analytic without the knowledge that the true analytic casters like day9 and artosis have. I don't like how he rages and has no respect for anyone (granted that's not during casting but still.) I am sad that to watch the EG masters cup I'll have to put up with his casting, unless he improves. Seconded. Orb is a terrible, annoying caster. The fact that his personal behavior is reprehensible only means that he will be fired for the wrong reason. Even if this hadn't happened, I still would expect him to be given the boot within a few months' time. He shouldn't even have been a featured caster on TL in the first place; quality is going way downhill with this new "casting is the new esports career everyone aspires to because progaming itself is too hard" fad getting so out of control that everyone is trying to be a caster the same way everyone was trying to be a pro gamer 2 years ago before most of them realized that it required talent. | ||
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
On topic I don't really see the big deal, I agree orb comes out as kind of a douche. But it's ladder, everyone has been frustrated on ladder. I enjoy his casting and will continue to do so.... | ||
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pt
United States813 Posts
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Kuja
United States1759 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:25 pepsimaxibon wrote: from the other thread, which got locked: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- This has been buried in Orb's Stream thread so I'm gonna recap here as objectively as possible: Original post on Reddit: ![[image loading]](http://img39.imageshack.us/img39/5828/loldamnv.png) link to comments To which Orb originally responds with: after some scrutiny from Reddit in which they prove it was his account, he edits in: Reddit proceeds to put more heat on, assessing that whoever played on that account had a suspisciously similar playstyle to Orb, played at a Masters level despite not owning their own account, and had his exact hotkey setup. He was also seen to be watching the replay on stream. Orb reacts to this scrutinty with extreme defensiveness, routinely deploying the word "slander" and accusing anyone who disputed his claims of "fabricating infomation". At about this point, LiveOnThree was airing, SirScoots felt the need to urgently address the situation due to it boiling over on Reddit (even reaching the front page). SirScoots stated: Soon after, a second Reddit thread turned up. With accusations of multiple counts of almost identical language: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/N2EwAh.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/P0qs6h.jpg) comments This time, there was evidence enough to incontrovertibly prove it was him.. Despite his attempt to remove the VOD which proved a smoking gun. Some hours into the thread, Orb issued this apology, purely regarding the second incident that he was caught red handed for. At no point does he make a reference to the original incident or apologise for all those who he accused of "slander". Alex Garfield Issued a pre-emptive statement: Shortly after which, a third Reddit thread landed which proved his use of racial slurs on stream: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/aMiN5.jpg) I'll leave you to make your own judgements. | ||
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meatybacon
United States36 Posts
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pt
United States813 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:26 Zorgaz wrote: How can this topic get so freaking big !? I don't get why these drama threads seem to take over all the forums, please can't you leave it to other sites like reddit? people love to tell other people that they are upset and why they are upset. its a new trend or something. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:26 pt wrote: these types of discussions are the reason why the word "nigger" is so scary. if no one cared, then no one would care. That's true for every "curse" word basically. We give it any power it has. | ||
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mapthesoul
Trinidad/Tobago429 Posts
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
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pt
United States813 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:27 Numy wrote: That's true for every "curse" word basically. We give it any power it has. agreed. its like people just want to make logical explanation for things just because they can, not because they actually want to prove a point. | ||
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MrRicewife
Canada515 Posts
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Nabes
Canada1800 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:26 Zorgaz wrote: How can this topic get so freaking big !? I don't get why these drama threads seem to take over all the forums, please can't you leave it to other sites like reddit? On topic I don't really see the big deal, I agree orb comes out as kind of a douche. But it's ladder, everyone has been frustrated on ladder. I enjoy his casting and will continue to do so.... not everyone visits reddit, i think its fair to let people on TL know whats going on with it. | ||
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DrN0
United Kingdom184 Posts
For god's sake it is so ridiculous that you think you can speak about racial injustice please do not attempt to do so. Also the quote below demonstates a good point, anybody who just takes anything at face value and does not truly think about how and why this is wrong you are only perpetuating the problem. Too many kids are just told not to say certain words and that racism is bad but are not taught why. This leads to kids just grouping it in with a lot of other no no words like fuck and shit and they are most definitely not the same. If you just assume anything to do with race is racist then you are going to live a very sheltered life scared to say what you think for fear of being racist, you must understand why and how things are racist. For example you can not say all blacks are convicts that is racist but saying a large majority of convicts are black is a statistical fact and is important in order to understand social economic problems that plague such minorities, if you just avoid the topic for fear of being racist then you don't fix an obvious problem that too many minorites live in poverty and commit crimes to survive. AS far as orb is concerned there is no governing body in esports its up to EG and himself to take responsibility. Also anyone who listed football or soccer as a reason europeans is more accepting of racism are retarded, football is constantly trying to stamp out racism, Luis Suarez used a word that many in his country do not even deem more offensive then calling someone caucasian and he was forced to miss 9 matches which is a huge punishment, not to mention John Terry is going on trial for alleged racism he says he used the word nigger in his defence ie. "No I did not call you a nigger". Again you have no idea what you are talking about so why spout so much crap. On March 09 2012 06:08 farvacola wrote: Your lack of willingness to challenge stereotypical implementations of "offensive" language is truly frightening, you act as though certain words or phrases are perpetually tied together with their temporal use/meaning, when nothing could be farther from the truth. To combat the hateful/racist/bigoted ideas that give offensive context to slurs seems the most noble of goals. Meanwhile, you simply blanket label certain sorts of expressions as "bad", and the end result is only a further entrenchment of stereotypes. Nothing is ever so black and white. | ||
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:30 DrN0 wrote: the only way you will ever understand the weight of the word nigger is if you are black and have been subject to this abuse, short of that please don't pretend you know, you will never know do not pretend to know you will never be able to empathize the fact you think you can shows how badly you understand it. Please explain why someone has to be black to understand that the term 'nigger' is horrendous and unique among insults. I await your silly response. | ||
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DrN0
United Kingdom184 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:33 Silvertine wrote: Please explain why someone has to be black to understand that the term 'nigger' is horrendous and unique among insults. I await your silly response. You serious? I am not saying you can't understand why it is a bad word but you will never know what it feels like to be called nigger, you pretending you can is the most insulting thing you can do. I am saying you will never understand the WEIGHT of the word, not that you can't have a basic grasp that it is the very worst thing you can say. | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
SC2 isn't simply going to grow into a majestic global eSport if the community dismisses the faults of the representatives. In other words, as long as the community defends the offender or dismisses the offences, that's exactly where the level of eSports will stay at. From what I can gather from TL community news and staff moderations, this place is for those that wish to see SC2, other competitive games - and in large - eSports - to grow into a popular, legitimate, and accessible recreational culture. Where's your eSports at? Is it okay to blatantly throw a televised tournament game just because it has no effect in the tournament standings? Is it okay for a public figure to make racist/sexist/homophobic remarks in a public game? Is it okay to make accusatory statements on a broadcast? Is it okay to lie repeatedly to the employer only to apologize when caught without a shadow of doubt? We are all responsible. You choose how eSports will evolve. Choose carefully. | ||
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Silvertine
United States509 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:37 DrN0 wrote: You serious? I am not saying you can't understand why it is a bad word but you will never know what it feels like to be called nigger, you pretending you can is the most insulting thing you can do. Where did I claim to know what it's like to be called a nigger? | ||
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DrN0
United Kingdom184 Posts
On March 09 2012 06:39 Silvertine wrote: Where did I claim to know what it's like to be called a nigger? Read again I edited, and as I have said oh so many times now you will not truly understand the word until you have been on the receiving end so us trying to speak as if we have authority on the matter and saying it is 'no big deal' is perpuating the problem. | ||
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