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Destiny to train with StarTale in Korea - Page 19

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GohgamX
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada1096 Posts
December 06 2011 19:15 GMT
#361
On December 06 2011 19:11 The Reaper wrote:
Only 3 weeks? And he can't stay longer because he has a kid now.

Kind of a waste of money if you ask me. 3 weeks is not near enough time to do anything substantial.


I kinda see your point but it is Korea and it does seem to have a magical effect on SC2 players....
Time is a great teacher, unfortunate that it kills all its pupils ...
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
December 06 2011 20:53 GMT
#362
3 weeks is enough time for him to get help with how to train, get some ideas, points on what to work on and so on. Sure he probably wont come back and win MLG etc but 3 weeks is better then nothing.
Sgonzo
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada202 Posts
December 06 2011 21:17 GMT
#363
On December 06 2011 09:06 OPL3SA2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 08:30 Sgonzo wrote:
On December 06 2011 06:48 halfies wrote:
On December 06 2011 06:39 Reikon wrote:
On December 05 2011 15:24 Doctor.Ownage wrote:
^^ stop trying to convince yourself that destiny cares about how anything other then the income that his stream offers him.
He is an professional entertainer , not a professional gamer.

Anyways, This should be sick entertainment!
Cant wait to see if hes allowed to stream inhouse games, that would be sick!


I may be assuming a little here but it seems like you base this on the fact that he does not seem to have many tournament results. Destiny is a gamer first and an entertainer second, he said this himself. He got offered many chances to do some co-casting and other such "entertainment" like things but he refuses them because he is a gamer first. A lot of what I see him do is improve himself as a gamer but because he is also an entertainer, it hinders his progress somewhat as a gamer.

destiny might be a gamer, but you can be in bronze league and still be a gamer. he streams to make money, and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. i also think he makes more from streaming than he would make as a caster, because he wouldn't be good enough to cast any really big tournaments, just because hes BM, and thats probably the reason why he has the fans he does.


eveyrbody streams to make moeny go on twitch click sc2 and see how many people get no viewers but still stream in the hopes of building up a afnbase for loots, cmon this is the most herp derp arguement ever, destiny isnt a pro gamer because he likes ot make money streaming herp derp..... wheres the logic i bet he roflstomps you in a game


Your argument lacks merit. Being a professional in anything by dictionary defintion terms means you make a certain percentage of your total income through it. I forget the exact percentage, I think it's above 50% if i'm not mistaken. I'm pretty sure Steven Bonnell makes 50% of his incoming through streaming, so it's safe to call him a professional gamer (even before he joined a professional gaming team).

Your argument lacks merit


dude i was saying it is ridiculous to say Destiny isnt a pro gamer thnx for not reading, i was replyign to another post hence why i qouted them.......
When Keepin It Real Goes Wrong
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-06 21:26:27
December 06 2011 21:22 GMT
#364
On December 06 2011 17:39 DoubleB wrote:
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On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote:
oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.

Incontrol, why don't you go to kor? Would love to see ya pwning em


He was once in Korea, I think. Actually at the very beginning of sc2. But not sure for what, he was only there briefly.

edit:

On December 05 2011 05:23 eXigent. wrote:
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On December 05 2011 05:10 JustPassingBy wrote:
On December 04 2011 06:30 eXigent. wrote:

[...]

THERE IS NO DOWNSIDE TO THIS TRIP.


Yes there it, it costs money.

Anyways, is there any possibility of a partnership between QxG and ST?


Destiny doesn't pay for the trip, his sponsors do, willingly. Not to mention he will be streaming and making bank from ad revenue while staying there. So what exactly are you talking about?


I'm saying that if you sponsor a flight for somebody, I'd rather see them sending somebody who can commit more. Not blaming Steve for only staying for three weeks, since he has a kid to take care of, actually I am pleasantly surprised that he is going at all.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11048 Posts
December 06 2011 22:05 GMT
#365
Good luck.

Don't think it will do much to produce actual results. Destiny's success began and will end with the infestor. He doesn't show the same sophistication in builds as other pros. That level of detail will be among others to keep him from producing.
Biomine is a drunken chick who is on industrial strength amphetamines and would just grab your dick and jerk it as hard and violently as she could while screaming 'OMG FUCK ME', because she saw it in a Sasha Grey video ...-Wombat_Ni
Mrvoodoochild1
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1439 Posts
December 06 2011 22:07 GMT
#366
Hopefully Destiny can take a game off a ST player when he's there. Once the infestor nerf happened, his results just tanked. He really needs this training.
"let your freak flag fly"
RoyGBiv_13
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1275 Posts
December 06 2011 22:09 GMT
#367
On December 06 2011 11:44 Brainling wrote:
I'm annoyed he switched to Own3D because I enjoyed watching him on my iPad as I rambled around the house or laid in bed. Oh well, his loss...I'll just stream someone else.


This is the exact sentiments I have. I even bought a few months of JTV because the ads were causing cancer. Now I just watch other things on JTV
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic
Havek
Profile Joined December 2011
Denmark20 Posts
December 06 2011 23:29 GMT
#368
Best of luck to Steven out there, I really hope he's going to like it and improve!
blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
December 07 2011 03:41 GMT
#369
Three weeks is a good chunk of time, but not nearly enough time to truly improve as a player.

For once I actually agree with Incontrol, which is a weird feeling.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ // </3 Taeja
Staboteur
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada1873 Posts
December 07 2011 04:42 GMT
#370
I want to start this post by saying I absolutely hope Destiny comes out of Korea and can beat Deezer 100% of the time, streamcheating or no. It would be equally cool (and not fully unreasonable) for him to also rank top 10 in NA GM and actually hold it for a while. I want these things to happen.

That said, I say this: The difference between a player like IdrA and a player like Destiny is that where IdrA plays to get good and win tournaments (and has a huge viewer audience because of it), Destiny plays to entertain streamwatchers (and attends tournaments / showmatches to maintain credibility (yes, he does have credibility))

Will Destiny benefit from going to Korea? Hell yeah. He'll become a better player with a better understanding of the game and more experience in general. Will he become a top-tier pro expected to place well at MLG/GSL/IPL/NASL? I doubt it, because it isn't his motivation to do so, and until his primary motivation isn't "Make money by being goddamn entertaining" I can't see Destiny working up the motivation to compete at the highest of levels. I mean, why should he? He's got a damn good thing going and is very well suited for what he does... why should he need to place well at MLG?

It makes sense for all involved parties to do this. People -will- watch Destiny play in Korea and any involved sponsors -will- get word of their products out to viewers. It's a good thing for all parties involved, I just think it's important to note that the primary motivation isn't "Get Destiny good enough for #1 GM KOREA!", but "Use the skills of a talented and entertaining streamer to further the franchise and PROMOTE ESPORTS."

I'm all for it. You gogogogoggogogo, Mr. Bonnell.
I'm actually Fleetfeet D:
Littlemuff
Profile Joined August 2011
United Kingdom301 Posts
December 07 2011 16:56 GMT
#371
I love how people somehow know destinys goal in Starcraft2.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
December 07 2011 17:20 GMT
#372
I think 3 weeks for a zerg player is a lot better than 3 weeks for the other races
s0cce12
Profile Joined December 2011
United States8 Posts
December 07 2011 20:31 GMT
#373
If nothing else I think this will show him what it takes for him to hit the next level, I think he will really come out of this well
know we belong at the top but we ain't trippin' cause we'll get there in a minute
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
December 07 2011 20:41 GMT
#374
Destiny is someone who defeated Bomber in a BO3 as a North American streamer.

With training in Korea Destiny will reach another level for sure.

It will even be better if GSL gives Destiny a Code A spot or something, will definitely increase the viewers+revenues for GSL.
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
December 07 2011 20:45 GMT
#375
On December 08 2011 05:41 ppshchik wrote:

It will even be better if GSL gives Destiny a Code A spot or something, will definitely increase the viewers+revenues for GSL.


Yes, they certainly are going to give a Code A spot to a forth tier foreigner.
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RaKooNs
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom397 Posts
December 07 2011 20:50 GMT
#376
Hope he stays for at least 1 and a half months, doubt he will make any decent results if he stays for only 3 weeks, really happy for him though, great opportunity for him and i hope he enjoys it. If he does stay for 1-2 months at the least i think he could become one of the top foreigners, some people can get only so good, however.
If you don't drop sweat today, you will drop tears tomorrow - SlayerS_MMA
BroboCop
Profile Joined December 2010
United States373 Posts
December 07 2011 20:57 GMT
#377
my theory:
-his mechanics will improve slightly
-he will still make infestors
-if people make high templars or ghost and use any sense of control destiny will be in trouble still.

nevertheless, gz and good luck to destiny.
tessem
Profile Joined March 2011
United States23 Posts
December 07 2011 22:25 GMT
#378
<3 Destiny!
"More GG, more skill" - White-Ra
NEXUS6
Profile Joined July 2011
United States413 Posts
December 08 2011 22:30 GMT
#379
Why do I have a feeling that being in Korea for 3 weeks won't change anything for Destiny. He is still just going to stream ladder games only difference is he is on KR server. 3 weeks isn't enough to improve at all especially when most people can play KR ladder from US without lag.
Holophonist
Profile Joined December 2010
United States297 Posts
December 13 2011 19:21 GMT
#380
On December 08 2011 05:45 Elefanto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 08 2011 05:41 ppshchik wrote:

It will even be better if GSL gives Destiny a Code A spot or something, will definitely increase the viewers+revenues for GSL.


Yes, they certainly are going to give a Code A spot to a forth tier foreigner.



Get off your high horse, please. Destiny can and has taken games off of Haypro and Demuslim, both were given spots.
Just like my Grandpa used to say, "Never forget that the... thing.. and there was like.... a guy with this. Hmmm......"
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