Looks like Destiny is sticking with Quantic Gaming and even though they just "broke up" with Incredible Miracle, he will be heading to South Korea to train anyway. He will be staying with StarTale and streaming constantly on his new channel on own3d. http://www.own3d.tv/destiny
Dates and more information are coming soon according to QxG's website! I wish you luck, Steven. =)
Edit: According to the article, he is slated to be staying for approximately three weeks.
On December 03 2011 05:16 chrisgreg wrote: he plays on KR ladder already, the language barrier might make the trip not benefit him, but i super hope it does im a huge destiny fan!
Good Luck!!
Was the trip not beneficial for other foreigners as well? No, they all became a lot stronger, ever heard of Naniwa (amines makes you stronger!)
On December 03 2011 05:16 chrisgreg wrote: he plays on KR ladder already, the language barrier might make the trip not benefit him, but i super hope it does im a huge destiny fan!
Good Luck!!
Was the trip not beneficial for other foreigners as well? No, they all became a lot stronger, ever heard of Naniwa (amines makes you stronger!)
Naniwa (and most of the other foreigners) has ALREADY stayed in Korea longer than Destiny's upcoming three weeks. Destiny, as already stated, is already playing in the Korean ladder. And most likely he is going to stream more than practicing with Startale players. Also, the language barrier might be a problem for such a fast visit.
But no, i'm not saying it's certain that this won't help him at all. But personally i think it won't help him much. Once again, good luck to him.
On December 03 2011 05:16 chrisgreg wrote: he plays on KR ladder already, the language barrier might make the trip not benefit him, but i super hope it does im a huge destiny fan!
Good Luck!!
Was the trip not beneficial for other foreigners as well? No, they all became a lot stronger, ever heard of Naniwa (amines makes you stronger!)
It takes a long term stay in Korea to improve a lot. 3 weeks isn't much time to get anything done. This is more like a paid vacation in korea for him.
oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
On December 03 2011 05:16 chrisgreg wrote: he plays on KR ladder already, the language barrier might make the trip not benefit him, but i super hope it does im a huge destiny fan!
Good Luck!!
What?
So glad that Destiny still gets to go to Korea. Hopefully Sase will have the opportunity to practice with ST as well.
Will be seeing him out there Will be bringing my own footage from inside the house and other team houses while I am out there! Great addition to the house
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
How about you stop trying to influence people on what they want to think or say. Why do you get so mad when your not the one getting attention?
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
How about you stop trying to influence people on what they want to think or say. Why do you get so mad when your not the one getting attention?
Where from his post does it seem he's mad because hes not getting attention? rofl you just trying to get a response from him? lol how pathetic.
Gl destiny in korea even though its only for a short 3 weeks its better then no weeks
On December 03 2011 05:16 chrisgreg wrote: he plays on KR ladder already, the language barrier might make the trip not benefit him, but i super hope it does im a huge destiny fan!
Good Luck!!
Was the trip not beneficial for other foreigners as well? No, they all became a lot stronger, ever heard of Naniwa (amines makes you stronger!)
Naniwa stayed in Korea for way longer than three weeks
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
How about you stop trying to influence people on what they want to think or say. Why do you get so mad when your not the one getting attention?
I hear the best way to deal with someone you perceive as wanting attention is to find any possible excuse to hate on them you can.
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
How about you stop trying to influence people on what they want to think or say. Why do you get so mad when your not the one getting attention?
Where from his post does it seem he's mad because hes not getting attention? rofl you just trying to get a response from him? lol how pathetic.
Gl destiny in korea even though its only for a short 3 weeks its better then no weeks
its called his behavior. There is no reason for him to even post something like that. If you take a look at Incontrol's track record this has happened many, many times.
StarTale is an awesome team. I hope it pays off for him, though I wonder how this will change his streaming. I imagine he won't be yelling at his computer and dicking around all the time.
Destiny is going to get so much money from this... Own3d money increase AND 12k viewers when it is Julyzerg vs Destiny zvz practice. I'm really going to enjoy it.
3weeks is okay but definitely not going to make him a star z or anything. He'll improve and hopefully he'll learn a thing or two about training because right now he doesn't really train nearly as hard as he should.
I'm guessing the 3 week thing has to do with his kid as well as a test run to see if he can acclimate into a more structured korean prohouse for longer periods of time down the line.
Wouldnt "Destiny going to train with SaSe for a few weeks of sounded better" This just confuses me. So obviously QxG's new goal is partnership with ST, and there stratagy is to use destiny to get it... Hmmm. Well i hope with destinys new training he might just be something more then a famous trash talker. I just dont see any upside this has for QxG other then more publicity lol. Nevertheless Goodluck QxG lets see if ur interesting ways will pay off.
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
How about you stop trying to influence people on what they want to think or say. Why do you get so mad when your not the one getting attention?
Where from his post does it seem he's mad because hes not getting attention? rofl you just trying to get a response from him? lol how pathetic.
Gl destiny in korea even though its only for a short 3 weeks its better then no weeks
its called his behavior. There is no reason for him to even post something like that. If you take a look at Incontrol's track record this has happened many, many times.
What?
People were complaining 3 weeks isn't enough and I said "just be happy for him" how can you take that as me being mad I am not getting attention? You are really bad at the forum thing...
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
How about you stop trying to influence people on what they want to think or say. Why do you get so mad when your not the one getting attention?
Where from his post does it seem he's mad because hes not getting attention? rofl you just trying to get a response from him? lol how pathetic.
Gl destiny in korea even though its only for a short 3 weeks its better then no weeks
its called his behavior. There is no reason for him to even post something like that. If you take a look at Incontrol's track record this has happened many, many times.
For an Incontrol hater you definitely stalk him a lot it seems...
And yeah. it's only 3 weeks, it will be more of a thing of expirience than a thing of practising there.
and another thing: Now finally the Startale background on the mysterious quantic gaming video makes more sence.
3 weeks is better then no weeks. Although, Destiny can't really talk and be as boisterous on his stream while he is in the team house I don't think. I mean it seems like a pretty quiet and focused atmosphere in general.
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
How about you stop trying to influence people on what they want to think or say. Why do you get so mad when your not the one getting attention?
Where from his post does it seem he's mad because hes not getting attention? rofl you just trying to get a response from him? lol how pathetic.
Gl destiny in korea even though its only for a short 3 weeks its better then no weeks
its called his behavior. There is no reason for him to even post something like that. If you take a look at Incontrol's track record this has happened many, many times.
You are acting ridiculous. Incontrol did not seem "mad", neither was he trying to "influence people". I'm not a fanboy of him at all before you pull that card, just saying you are hallucinating a bit here.
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
Isn't this what people are talking about anyway. Nobody is arguing that he won't improve from this at all but if he is going to show better results after that is up for discussion.
Congrats to Destiny, he really should use it to experience Korea and not just sit in a practice house. I'm sure the players at ST are going to love the rage and random shouting.
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
How about you stop trying to influence people on what they want to think or say. Why do you get so mad when your not the one getting attention?
Where from his post does it seem he's mad because hes not getting attention? rofl you just trying to get a response from him? lol how pathetic.
Gl destiny in korea even though its only for a short 3 weeks its better then no weeks
its called his behavior. There is no reason for him to even post something like that. If you take a look at Incontrol's track record this has happened many, many times.
What?
People were complaining 3 weeks isn't enough and I said "just be happy for him" how can you take that as me being mad I am not getting attention? You are really bad at the forum thing...
Ha! Like we'd fall for another one of your posts! This reply to the guy saying the thing about you is clearly an attempt to garner support for your presidential bid of 2016! We're on to you buster!
On December 03 2011 05:41 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: 3 weeks is better then no weeks. Although, Destiny can't really talk and be as boisterous on his stream while he is in the team house I don't think. I mean it seems like a pretty quiet and focused atmosphere in general.
Yeah, during some of his recent "more serious" streaming sessions there was barely a peep out of him the whole time. I'm not used to that
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
How about you stop trying to influence people on what they want to think or say. Why do you get so mad when your not the one getting attention?
Where from his post does it seem he's mad because hes not getting attention? rofl you just trying to get a response from him? lol how pathetic.
Gl destiny in korea even though its only for a short 3 weeks its better then no weeks
its called his behavior. There is no reason for him to even post something like that. If you take a look at Incontrol's track record this has happened many, many times.
For an Incontrol hater you definitely stalk him a lot it seems...
And yeah. it's only 3 weeks, it will be more of a thing of expirience than a thing of practising there.
and another thing: Now finally the Startale background on the mysterious quantic gaming video makes more sence.
What can i say, he rubbed me the wrong way one day. Not to mention trying to give me the evil eye at a socal lan once. LOLOL that was pretty funny i must say. Yeah why shouldn't i hate
Im not sure what I think of all these "few weeks in Korea to train" things going on lately. I guess they are nice to get a feel of whether you want to stay in Korea or not. But in terms of actual improvement I don't see how much help a few weeks in Korea is going to make as opposed to just trying extra hard for a few weeks. Regardless, I hope he will have a good time in Korea and that it will help his play. He is such an entertaining person I really wish the best for him.
On December 03 2011 05:41 Torpedo.Vegas wrote: 3 weeks is better then no weeks. Although, Destiny can't really talk and be as boisterous on his stream while he is in the team house I don't think. I mean it seems like a pretty quiet and focused atmosphere in general.
Yeah, during some of his recent "more serious" streaming sessions there was barely a peep out of him the whole time. I'm not used to that
I think this issue has more to do with his current apartment with roommate living situation than it does the seriousness of his streaming sessions.
On December 03 2011 05:16 chrisgreg wrote: he plays on KR ladder already, the language barrier might make the trip not benefit him, but i super hope it does im a huge destiny fan!
Good Luck!!
Was the trip not beneficial for other foreigners as well? No, they all became a lot stronger, ever heard of Naniwa (amines makes you stronger!)
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
How about you stop trying to influence people on what they want to think or say. Why do you get so mad when your not the one getting attention?
Where from his post does it seem he's mad because hes not getting attention? rofl you just trying to get a response from him? lol how pathetic.
Gl destiny in korea even though its only for a short 3 weeks its better then no weeks
its called his behavior. There is no reason for him to even post something like that. If you take a look at Incontrol's track record this has happened many, many times.
For an Incontrol hater you definitely stalk him a lot it seems...
And yeah. it's only 3 weeks, it will be more of a thing of expirience than a thing of practising there.
and another thing: Now finally the Startale background on the mysterious quantic gaming video makes more sence.
What can i say, he rubbed me the wrong way one day. Not to mention trying to give me the evil eye at a socal lan once. LOLOL that was pretty funny i must say. Yeah why shouldn't i hate
This is a good post for people to see... he thinks I know who the fuck he is and tried to give him the evil eye once... newsflash I squint all the time cause I am supposed to wear glasses but I usually don't.. additionally how the FUCK would I recognize you at a lan? WHo are you? LOL
3 weeks is not going to do anything for him, what a waste. Tired of foreigners staying for a month in korea and bailing. If you're going to go, be commited like sase, huk, nani.
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
How about you stop trying to influence people on what they want to think or say. Why do you get so mad when your not the one getting attention?
Where from his post does it seem he's mad because hes not getting attention? rofl you just trying to get a response from him? lol how pathetic.
Gl destiny in korea even though its only for a short 3 weeks its better then no weeks
its called his behavior. There is no reason for him to even post something like that. If you take a look at Incontrol's track record this has happened many, many times.
For an Incontrol hater you definitely stalk him a lot it seems...
And yeah. it's only 3 weeks, it will be more of a thing of expirience than a thing of practising there.
and another thing: Now finally the Startale background on the mysterious quantic gaming video makes more sence.
What can i say, he rubbed me the wrong way one day. Not to mention trying to give me the evil eye at a socal lan once. LOLOL that was pretty funny i must say. Yeah why shouldn't i hate
Ask for his autograph and got shut down because he was busy and now you are mad? Sounds about right?
Quantic Gaming Owner Mark Ferraz will appear tonight on !@#$ Slasher (same time as NASL unfortunately) to discuss the Quantic/IM partnership, and sending Destiny to Korea. Starts at 5:30 PM EST/23:30 CET at http://www.MLG.tv.
I think destiny's biggest weakness is mechanics and if Korea is the place with the most refined builds having a chance to play on the ladder without latency is going to really help, even if he doesn't spend as much time doing in-house practice, or can't get the really good connections because of the language barrier. He's going to become a better player and it'll be fun watching him stream the Korean ladder; it's going to be a great trip all around.
I'm surprised QG was able to send him there, but their financial situation must be better than I assumed. Maybe it's still part of the partnership with IM, they did say they'd be carrying out their obligations before the contract ended.
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
How about you stop trying to influence people on what they want to think or say. Why do you get so mad when your not the one getting attention?
Where from his post does it seem he's mad because hes not getting attention? rofl you just trying to get a response from him? lol how pathetic.
Gl destiny in korea even though its only for a short 3 weeks its better then no weeks
its called his behavior. There is no reason for him to even post something like that. If you take a look at Incontrol's track record this has happened many, many times.
For an Incontrol hater you definitely stalk him a lot it seems...
And yeah. it's only 3 weeks, it will be more of a thing of expirience than a thing of practising there.
and another thing: Now finally the Startale background on the mysterious quantic gaming video makes more sence.
What can i say, he rubbed me the wrong way one day. Not to mention trying to give me the evil eye at a socal lan once. LOLOL that was pretty funny i must say. Yeah why shouldn't i hate
This is a good post for people to see... he thinks I know who the fuck he is and tried to give him the evil eye once... newsflash I squint all the time cause I am supposed to wear glasses but I usually don't.. additionally how the FUCK would I recognize you at a lan? WHo are you? LOL
LOL! You don't know who i am guy. Squinting/evil eye are quite different. And you don't need to know who someone is to give an evil eye . Anyway, Karma is catching up bro.Good luck!!!!
Gratz to Destiny though, i'm glad he still gets to goto korea after hearing about this qunatic/IM split. I hope he releases a replay pack.
Maybe living in a korean house will teach destiny some manners and eventually into an actual SC2 player, rather than some guy who swears and constantly BMs on stream and gets viewers because of it and not because of his play. best of luck to him i suppose, that was quite fast considering the QIM breakup post was just made like an hour or so ago?
too bad destiny wont be able to BM everyone he loses to on KR server since they wont understand HAHA, btw 3weeks is pretty much only enough time to learn their training regimin and hopefully bring it with u when u come home, but definitely not enough time to see improvement in play immediately
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
How about you stop trying to influence people on what they want to think or say. Why do you get so mad when your not the one getting attention?
Reach i bet your dream is to become internet police. Just look at your previous posts... Its you trying to police everyone everywhere.
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
How about you stop trying to influence people on what they want to think or say. Why do you get so mad when your not the one getting attention?
Where from his post does it seem he's mad because hes not getting attention? rofl you just trying to get a response from him? lol how pathetic.
Gl destiny in korea even though its only for a short 3 weeks its better then no weeks
its called his behavior. There is no reason for him to even post something like that. If you take a look at Incontrol's track record this has happened many, many times.
For an Incontrol hater you definitely stalk him a lot it seems...
And yeah. it's only 3 weeks, it will be more of a thing of expirience than a thing of practising there.
and another thing: Now finally the Startale background on the mysterious quantic gaming video makes more sence.
What can i say, he rubbed me the wrong way one day. Not to mention trying to give me the evil eye at a socal lan once. LOLOL that was pretty funny i must say. Yeah why shouldn't i hate
This is a good post for people to see... he thinks I know who the fuck he is and tried to give him the evil eye once... newsflash I squint all the time cause I am supposed to wear glasses but I usually don't.. additionally how the FUCK would I recognize you at a lan? WHo are you? LOL
LOL! You don't know who i am guy. Squinting/evil eye are quite different. And you don't need to know who someone is to give an evil eye . Anyway, Karma is catching up bro.Good luck!!!!
Gratz to Destiny though, i'm glad he still gets to goto korea after hearing about this qunatic/IM split. I hope he releases a replay pack.
wow... just wow.
anyways gl to destiny! I hope he gains a lot of good experience
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
How about you stop trying to influence people on what they want to think or say. Why do you get so mad when your not the one getting attention?
Where from his post does it seem he's mad because hes not getting attention? rofl you just trying to get a response from him? lol how pathetic.
Gl destiny in korea even though its only for a short 3 weeks its better then no weeks
its called his behavior. There is no reason for him to even post something like that. If you take a look at Incontrol's track record this has happened many, many times.
For an Incontrol hater you definitely stalk him a lot it seems...
And yeah. it's only 3 weeks, it will be more of a thing of expirience than a thing of practising there.
and another thing: Now finally the Startale background on the mysterious quantic gaming video makes more sence.
What can i say, he rubbed me the wrong way one day. Not to mention trying to give me the evil eye at a socal lan once. LOLOL that was pretty funny i must say. Yeah why shouldn't i hate
This is a good post for people to see... he thinks I know who the fuck he is and tried to give him the evil eye once... newsflash I squint all the time cause I am supposed to wear glasses but I usually don't.. additionally how the FUCK would I recognize you at a lan? WHo are you? LOL
LOL! You don't know who i am guy. Squinting/evil eye are quite different. And you don't need to know who someone is to give an evil eye . Anyway, Karma is catching up bro.Good luck!!!!
Gratz to Destiny though, i'm glad he still gets to goto korea after hearing about this qunatic/IM split. I hope he releases a replay pack.
That's some pretty hardcore karma, y'know, having a huge house you live in with all your friends, and you train with those same friends for your career. Oh, and an awesome girlfriend. Sounds like a shitty life. Karma's taking it's turn on you, Incontrol.
On December 03 2011 05:50 sandman1454 wrote: too bad destiny wont be able to BM everyone he loses to on KR server since they wont understand HAHA, btw 3weeks is pretty much only enough time to learn their training regimin and hopefully bring it with u when u come home, but definitely not enough time to see improvement in play immediately
Even as you speak from your battle-hardened experience personally training in Korea, I have to disagree. Everyone who's gone to Korea for any length of time has come away a better player, including incontrol, who came and went within approximately 15 minutes.
On December 03 2011 05:56 Chaosvuistje wrote: This thread created more drama than the actual event of destiny going to korea. Well done reddi- TL forums!
In any other case, good luck to destiny. Hope he picks something up from the language
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
How about you stop trying to influence people on what they want to think or say. Why do you get so mad when your not the one getting attention?
Where from his post does it seem he's mad because hes not getting attention? rofl you just trying to get a response from him? lol how pathetic.
Gl destiny in korea even though its only for a short 3 weeks its better then no weeks
its called his behavior. There is no reason for him to even post something like that. If you take a look at Incontrol's track record this has happened many, many times.
For an Incontrol hater you definitely stalk him a lot it seems...
And yeah. it's only 3 weeks, it will be more of a thing of expirience than a thing of practising there.
and another thing: Now finally the Startale background on the mysterious quantic gaming video makes more sence.
What can i say, he rubbed me the wrong way one day. Not to mention trying to give me the evil eye at a socal lan once. LOLOL that was pretty funny i must say. Yeah why shouldn't i hate
This is a good post for people to see... he thinks I know who the fuck he is and tried to give him the evil eye once... newsflash I squint all the time cause I am supposed to wear glasses but I usually don't.. additionally how the FUCK would I recognize you at a lan? WHo are you? LOL
LOL! You don't know who i am guy. Squinting/evil eye are quite different. And you don't need to know who someone is to give an evil eye . Anyway, Karma is catching up bro.Good luck!!!!
Gratz to Destiny though, i'm glad he still gets to goto korea after hearing about this qunatic/IM split. I hope he releases a replay pack.
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
How about you stop trying to influence people on what they want to think or say. Why do you get so mad when your not the one getting attention?
Where from his post does it seem he's mad because hes not getting attention? rofl you just trying to get a response from him? lol how pathetic.
Gl destiny in korea even though its only for a short 3 weeks its better then no weeks
its called his behavior. There is no reason for him to even post something like that. If you take a look at Incontrol's track record this has happened many, many times.
For an Incontrol hater you definitely stalk him a lot it seems...
And yeah. it's only 3 weeks, it will be more of a thing of expirience than a thing of practising there.
and another thing: Now finally the Startale background on the mysterious quantic gaming video makes more sence.
What can i say, he rubbed me the wrong way one day. Not to mention trying to give me the evil eye at a socal lan once. LOLOL that was pretty funny i must say. Yeah why shouldn't i hate
This is a good post for people to see... he thinks I know who the fuck he is and tried to give him the evil eye once... newsflash I squint all the time cause I am supposed to wear glasses but I usually don't.. additionally how the FUCK would I recognize you at a lan? WHo are you? LOL
LOL! You don't know who i am guy. Squinting/evil eye are quite different. And you don't need to know who someone is to give an evil eye . Anyway, Karma is catching up bro.Good luck!!!!
Gratz to Destiny though, i'm glad he still gets to goto korea after hearing about this qunatic/IM split. I hope he releases a replay pack.
Three weeks and streaming the whole time. Sounds more like a publicity stunt/money grab than anything. If he wanted to improve in Korean, then stay longer and play with a team where he can communicate and discuss the games.
DESTINY + BOMBER OTP This should be really fun, thanks to Quantic for sticking to their promises even with the IM partnership going down. Now if only we knew where SaSe was going
Congrats to destiny but uhhh... dont understand the logic here. Why would Startale ( no offense to destiny what so ever ) let such an amateur player take space in their house for 3 weeks? He already plays as much as they do there, plus hes still not even top 50 NA. Why going to korea make him better over a 3 week span where he could still continue to improve his play the sameway on the NA server? I could understand if he was HuK and said NA ladder is bad, but destiny isnt any where close to being top of NA.
On December 03 2011 06:20 Legio wrote: Three weeks and streaming the whole time. Sounds more like a publicity stunt/money grab than anything. If he wanted to improve in Korean, then stay longer and play with a team where he can communicate and discuss the games.
That might make sense if going to Korea were profitable, unfortunately going to Korea pretty much cuts you off from all online tournaments, so if you can't get far in GSL you're not making any money. The only good thing about Korea for foreigners is getting practice with the Korean pros in customs and getting training from the more mechanically sound Korean ladder.
You know there's a portion of Destiny's audience that tunes in for the drama, and playing in Korea is going to cut down the drama. He's going to make less money from streaming and less money from tournaments; the only benefit is going to be an increase in skill unless he can really make a splash in GSL, but I don't think that's within his reach right now.
Destiny is a great player, and he has a great stream,which I enjoy watching a lot.
I wonder though: I saw on youtube people' comment about what destiny says about his viewers. He regards them as idiots fanatics, and only as an opportunity to make more money... Is that true? I never heard something similar from destiny's mouth, or I would have stopped watching it. Can someone enlighten me up on this matter?
On December 03 2011 06:29 Sergio1992 wrote: Destiny is a great player, and he has a great stream,which I enjoy watching a lot.
I wonder though: I saw on youtube people' comment about what destiny says about his viewers. He regards them as idiots fanatics, and only as an opportunity to make more money... Is that true? I never heard something similar from destiny's mouth, or I would have stopped watching it. Can someone enlighten me up on this matter?
His team is sending him to Korea. Destiny streaming from Korea will give him more viewers, and more viewers equals more exposure for his team.
On December 03 2011 06:03 n0ise wrote: sick opportunity for Destiny yo
Fixed. I doubt StarTale will benefit that much from having Destiny playing practice games with them for 3 weeks. If anything this is more of a vacation for him as 3 weeks is nothing. If he was staying for a few months then yeah, would be a good opportunity to benefit himself and silence the naysayers who say he doesnt take SC2 that seriously.
Youtube comments are a great place to get credible information.
I would say that almost 100% of the people who type in Destiny's chat could be classified as retarded by the definition of the word. As to Destiny saying that himself, I don't know.
3 weeks is pretty resonable for someone going for first time from NA. How many other NA foreigners stay as long as planned. Good move and following a PLAN which will ultimatly help him
On December 03 2011 06:29 Sergio1992 wrote: Destiny is a great player, and he has a great stream,which I enjoy watching a lot.
I wonder though: I saw on youtube people' comment about what destiny says about his viewers. He regards them as idiots fanatics, and only as an opportunity to make more money... Is that true? I never heard something similar from destiny's mouth, or I would have stopped watching it. Can someone enlighten me up on this matter?
His fans are idiots. If i saw Destiny saying this I might have a bit more respect. One of the things that makes Destiny so hated are his fans. I've never seen such blind devotion in my life... oh wait... Paris Hilton.
However, this is a good opportunity for him (even though I'm not sure why he is going). He's barely good enough to compete on the NA ladder anymore, I don't see a point in needing to go to Korea just to get your face smashed in for 3 weeks. Maybe if he had higher representation on the NA ladder I'd understand someone fronting him the money to go to Korea. As it stands, this is an obvious publicity stunt, in my eyes. But hey, what can you expect from the 'Paris Hilton' of the SC2 world. It's not like he got streamers from his 'skill' (although his fans will blindly say he is 'PRO' lol!)
Good for Destiny, will be a fun experience. Playing the korean ladder will be pretty cool for him, he seems to kinda own/ not try too hard on the NA ladder but still win. Should be fun to see what he can improve on his longer games, or some new JulyZerg cheeses.
On December 03 2011 06:29 Sergio1992 wrote: Destiny is a great player, and he has a great stream,which I enjoy watching a lot.
I wonder though: I saw on youtube people' comment about what destiny says about his viewers. He regards them as idiots fanatics, and only as an opportunity to make more money... Is that true? I never heard something similar from destiny's mouth, or I would have stopped watching it. Can someone enlighten me up on this matter?
His fans are idiots. If i saw Destiny saying this I might have a bit more respect. One of the things that makes Destiny so hated are his fans. I've never seen such blind devotion in my life... oh wait... Paris Hilton.
However, this is a good opportunity for him (even though I'm not sure why he is going). He's barely good enough to compete on the NA ladder anymore, I don't see a point in needing to go to Korea just to get your face smashed in for 3 weeks. Maybe if he had higher representation on the NA ladder I'd understand someone fronting him the money to go to Korea. As it stands, this is an obvious publicity stunt, in my eyes. But hey, what can you expect from the 'Paris Hilton' of the SC2 world. It's not like he got streamers from his 'skill' (although his fans will blindly say he is 'PRO' lol!)
I don't hate Destiny, I just hate his fans.
why do you hate his fans? I mean they are devoted, fan stands for fanatic, after all.. Even I [are these two words correct?], I am a fan of destiny himself, but I don't understand why I should be an idiot. In fact, I never posted one time in his stream chat , just watching him chilling around ( I like that he made me meet how great a player like combatex is)
On December 03 2011 06:38 Coated wrote: However, this is a good opportunity for him (even though I'm not sure why he is going). He's barely good enough to compete on the NA ladder anymore, I don't see a point in needing to go to Korea just to get your face smashed in for 3 weeks.
To be fair, people said the same thing about Grubby training in Korea (though Grubby was also there for another tournament), and we can all see what the training's done for him. His play is pretty sick now.
Though I don't really know if Destiny has the same potential/drive as Grubby does.
On December 03 2011 05:27 Psyc wrote: Incontrol a bit jealous..
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who wouldn't be jealous? i am jealous. however, like chill said, i would rather treat it as a vacation and hang out with ST than practicing. I would probably get kicked out after a few days for distracting them. =(
On December 03 2011 06:43 epiics wrote: No point in going for only 3 weeks...
He won't improve? Won't network with players/teams there? I think he will do both of those things and that they will both positively impact his career. He doesn't have to make it into Code A for it to qualify as improvement. This will be helpful no matter which way you look at it.
Gotta love the trolls coming in to hate on him, can't say I didn't expect it.
Anyways, I'm glad he's doing this. Destiny is always one to go to MLG's, but he never places high up, even though he has the extreme potential to. I saw a comment saying that there's no point in him going to Korea because he's just going to get his face smashed in. While this is most likely true, you learn from your mistakes, especially in Starcraft. You didn't just magically pop up into Masters, you had to work your way there by winning games, and to win those games you have to learn from your mistakes, by LOSING.
Axslav recently mentioned on his stream that he loves playing against players that are well above him in skill, because it gives him the best opportunity to grow as a player mentally both in-game, and out. Therefore I find that statement to be ridiculous.
Best of luck to Destiny, can't wait to see how much he improves over the three weeks he spends there!
Been watching him for what seems like a pretty long time, and I have to day this is an amazing opportunity and it can only go up from here, good luck to sSeven!
On December 03 2011 06:50 Blade Fox wrote: No wonder incontrol makes fun of the critic community so much, ReachTheSky is the epitomy of the retards he has to deal with.
"WHATEVS YOU RUBBED ME TEH RONG WAY SO I IS MAD AT YOU FOR DA REST OF LIFE. I TOL MAH MOMS YOU WAS MEAN TO ME AT A LAN"
Congratulations destiny may the trip go well for you sir.
... what is the critic community? I'm pretty sure haters don't group up and plan their next hate session. Or maybe they do, and I've been missing it all along.
And of all the dumb reasons you see people hate public figures real-life conflict is definitely not among the worst.
goodluck in korea mr.bronell, sounds like a wonderful opportunity. Happy that u will still be able to stream and that the trip will be well documented $_$ glhf
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
Couldn't agree more... I just hope that i won't get some freeze every 15 sec anymore with his new stream !
Very awesome news for destiny. Even if he wont get the recommended 3 months of practice, perhaps he can figure out some nice ZvP/ZvZ builds while he's over there. Good luck, and I look forward to watching the stream!
what will he give in return? an attention on stream? Im not fan of this actually, its more like luxury coaching when only 1 side gets the benefit of training, while there are many players purely foreinger trained who could actually contribute (for example Morrow).
how do foreigners overcome the language barrier? Exactly how is he going to practice? Is he going to practice with only sase or the koreans as well? tbh, i don't see much growth from an infestor only user with bad mechanics
On December 03 2011 06:39 Frauk wrote: this, in my opinion, is just ridicoulous and a waste of time and money for both parts. like picking a random gm from us server.
I think its a great deal for him, 3 weeks of hard training will do anyone good! Good luck to him! even tho im not a Z player i have learned alot about them, he deserves to be the best! (i mean we all know im the best sc2 player ever) but he will be 2ond ^ ^
On December 03 2011 06:29 Sergio1992 wrote: Destiny is a great player, and he has a great stream,which I enjoy watching a lot.
I wonder though: I saw on youtube people' comment about what destiny says about his viewers. He regards them as idiots fanatics, and only as an opportunity to make more money... Is that true? I never heard something similar from destiny's mouth, or I would have stopped watching it. Can someone enlighten me up on this matter?
His fans are idiots. If i saw Destiny saying this I might have a bit more respect. One of the things that makes Destiny so hated are his fans. I've never seen such blind devotion in my life... oh wait... Paris Hilton.
However, this is a good opportunity for him (even though I'm not sure why he is going). He's barely good enough to compete on the NA ladder anymore, I don't see a point in needing to go to Korea just to get your face smashed in for 3 weeks. Maybe if he had higher representation on the NA ladder I'd understand someone fronting him the money to go to Korea. As it stands, this is an obvious publicity stunt, in my eyes. But hey, what can you expect from the 'Paris Hilton' of the SC2 world. It's not like he got streamers from his 'skill' (although his fans will blindly say he is 'PRO' lol!)
I don't hate Destiny, I just hate his fans.
I completely agree with you on this. Destiny fans are really the 1 thing about SC2 I really can't stand. I love the game, I love the community, I love most of the pro teams and a lot of the pro players, but destiny fans just annoy me to no end with their blind love of a player who has accomplished nothing, and they think he's the best in the world. Not to mention they basically all have the little 4chan kid attitude and talk in memes.
So. Friggin'. Awesome. This is gonna unlock super gosu awesome mode for Destiny. I can't wait to see what he's capable of with Korean training. Gonna suck to be away from the kid though.
Good for him, 3 weeks may not be enough but this is what it will do.
1. Get good coaching and practice with players that are way better than him, 3 weeks with the best support he can get. 2. Give him a view into the way SC2 is done in Korea and he will know if he will come back again or never want to go again. Its a good trial period.
On December 03 2011 05:16 chrisgreg wrote: he plays on KR ladder already, the language barrier might make the trip not benefit him, but i super hope it does im a huge destiny fan!
Good Luck!!
literally every other foreigner that has gone to korea does not know korean
On December 03 2011 05:16 chrisgreg wrote: he plays on KR ladder already, the language barrier might make the trip not benefit him, but i super hope it does im a huge destiny fan!
Good Luck!!
looking at all the people who have been to Korea, I'd say it's the limitation to three weeks only that might not make it worth it, considering that all the other players needed several months to restructure their play from bottom up. well, maybe destiny can prove that three weeks is enough, but honestly, I wouldn't be bettin gon it. :-/
Three weeks is a waste of time. I understand he has a wife and kid but if you're not committed to staying there longterm what's the point of going at all?
Super cool and great news. I was worried for him after I heard the end of QIM. Good to hear that QxG is still looking out for their players and getting them to Korea. The more foreigners in Korea the better! :D
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
Yeah exactly. Starcraft training or not it just seems like an interesting place to travel to.
wow this is gonna be great for his skill level - hopefully his diversity of play will go up ^^
i used to really like destiny, but then he kinda sold out for the money. hopefully his intentions with leaving his (family? he has a kid right?) are good.
Wow, destiny training with fruitdealer, curious, and july! Even if it is only 3 weeks, I think he will become a much better player considering the caliber of players he will be practicing with.
Hell yes! I can't wait to see Destiny tear it up here once he gets back! Training with people like July will definitely get him to improve. Good luck Destiny!
Congratulations and good luck Steven! Three weeks may not be enough time to see a significant improvement in his gameplay, but it certainly gets his foot in the door for an invitation back should he play his cards right. Let's be honest, who wouldn't take this opportunity given the chance?
I think StarTale has something to be gained from the situation, as well. At the very least, he will inject a different dimension of personality into the team's atmosphere. Also, consider that many tournaments these days are pitting westerners against Koreans, perhaps he can give them some insight into the playstyle and "strange" build orders used by the rest of the world. I really think it's a win-win situation. (flame on)
On December 03 2011 07:23 JustPassingBy wrote: it's nice that he goes to Korea, but 3 weeks are not nearly enough to polish up your play from bottom up. Not sure whether it's worth the cost...
On December 03 2011 07:18 Haydin wrote: Here's hoping that he seriously trains and does not dick around with Randomking.
that would actually be quite awesome!
It will definitely be worth the cost. First off Quantic benefits from having destiny in a prohouse, and becomes way more "known". Secondly destiny benefits because he plans on streaming his games from there, and will probably make more just from that than it costed him to fly out there.
On December 03 2011 09:36 Rikke wrote: Maybe he gets to Plat on Korean Ladder.
He already plays on the korean ladder from NA, so I dunno why you posted such nonsense other than to troll the thread...
To all the people saying "3 weeks is not enough", look at the date. Do you think he'll stay over there for his kid's 1st christmas/new year? Do you think he won't go back for an extended period in 2012 given the opportunity? So many short-sighted comments here, sorry just had to have a mini-rant!
Gl to stephen, not watched his stream for months but I remember he sounds like Steve Buscemi, this is enough for me to like him! >D
On December 03 2011 10:26 AZKziek wrote: What I want to know is what does he plan on doing with his son?
How is that relavent to the topic? Im sure he will do what anybody else would do if they went on a vacation. He has parents, and a spouse, all of whom are totally capable of taking care of a baby for a little while. Pretty absurd question imo.
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
Yeah! what iNcontroL said..
Goodluck Destiny, can you make a sign of my name, and take a picture with Kim Sungje (Rainbow) ... thanks..
owned is terrible for watching streams, especially when people play 3 ads at a time, you can only mute 1 then the rest are played at FULL VOLUME. the only way i could watch owned streams was with an add blocker, which i dont like to do so i jsut dont watch owned streams anymore =/
Good luck to Destiny......imagine what would happen if he qualified for a code a, I think the korean commentators would be like wtf why he have 30 infestors
Training for 3 weeks in a proffesional enviroment will be the most benificial part of the trip. Even if he doesnt improve tenfold he'll still pick up loads of good habits. The smaller things add up to the bigger picture.
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
How about you stop trying to influence people on what they want to think or say. Why do you get so mad when your not the one getting attention?
interesting discussion about incontrol there. hmmm..
If I didn't know the names, I'd think Startale_Destiny had something to do with highly evolved pokemon or something. Congrats to Mr. Bonnell and gl in the future.
On December 03 2011 11:06 Littlemuff wrote: Training for 3 weeks in a proffesional enviroment will be the most benificial part of the trip. Even if he doesnt improve tenfold he'll still pick up loads of good habits. The smaller things add up to the bigger picture.
Best of luck to Destiny. I am not a big fan of Own3d.tv, but I may tune in from time to time. I suspect part of the switch might also have to do with his increase LoL playing, as it is incredibly popular on Own3d. Don't know for sure though, don't care all that much either.
But again, best of luck to him. I hope he enjoys his trip.
I can't imagine what he could possibly accomplish in 3 weeks. With the language barrier, adjusting to the culture/ lifestyle, etc. it seems as if he'll be leaving right when he's settled in.
Nice. Pretty cool guy, would be nice if he could get some results after some hardcore training in Korea. Shame it's only three weeks, but from what I understand he has a kid he doesn't want to spend too much time away from.
Seems like an odd choice of person to send to Korea, but practice will def make him better, hope he comes back to the US and takes down a tourney, would love to see him get out of the group stages!
Great news, although i'm not sure about owned.tv. It doesn't have the best interface in my opinion, and there is no quick and easy chat in it, since it uses irc. Also every now then it unmutes the audio for me.
On December 03 2011 10:26 AZKziek wrote: What I want to know is what does he plan on doing with his son?
Hasn't AZK had enough controversy? Why do you need to troll with such an unnecessary comment?
How is that trolling? I'm genuinely concerned for an infant. You're the one being an ass.
Why would you be "concerned"? And how is his family life and how he handles it any of your business?
In actuality, it's anyone who wants to be concerned for the potential harm (not saying it would happen) of another human being. But if we go by your rule, you're also concerning yourself by responding directly to my comment, so I respond to your question with a question, how is it any of your business?
In actuality, it's anyone who wants to be concerned for the potential harm (not saying it would happen) of another human being. But if we go by your rule, you're also concerning yourself by responding directly to my comment, so I respond to your question with a question, how is it any of your business?
Seeing your history, (comments/twitter etc.) you're one concerned mofo that cares right ? =/
In actuality, it's anyone who wants to be concerned for the potential harm (not saying it would happen) of another human being. But if we go by your rule, you're also concerning yourself by responding directly to my comment, so I respond to your question with a question, how is it any of your business?
Seeing your history, (comments/twitter etc.) you're one concerned mofo that cares right ? =/
When it comes to the safety of another person, yes.
Anyone having problems with Destiny's own3d stream? I could watch his twitch stream in the past at 720p with absolutely no problem, but now with this new service provider I'm experiencing terrible lag.
In actuality, it's anyone who wants to be concerned for the potential harm (not saying it would happen) of another human being. But if we go by your rule, you're also concerning yourself by responding directly to my comment, so I respond to your question with a question, how is it any of your business?
Seeing your history, (comments/twitter etc.) you're one concerned mofo that cares right ? =/
When it comes to the safety of another person, yes.
its ok to leave people stranded facing jail time because azk couldnt organise a circlejerk but god forbid a parent spend 3 weeks away from their child.
In actuality, it's anyone who wants to be concerned for the potential harm (not saying it would happen) of another human being. But if we go by your rule, you're also concerning yourself by responding directly to my comment, so I respond to your question with a question, how is it any of your business?
Seeing your history, (comments/twitter etc.) you're one concerned mofo that cares right ? =/
When it comes to the safety of another person, yes.
its ok to leave people stranded facing jail time because azk couldnt organise a circlejerk but god forbid a parent spend 3 weeks away from their child.
Here we go again, I didn't leave anyone stranded, I had no say whatsoever in what happened in the event, much like a lot of "AZK members". You're an idiot for assuming such things.
On December 03 2011 10:26 AZKziek wrote: What I want to know is what does he plan on doing with his son?
Hasn't AZK had enough controversy? Why do you need to troll with such an unnecessary comment?
How is that trolling? I'm genuinely concerned for an infant. You're the one being an ass.
Why would you be "concerned"? And how is his family life and how he handles it any of your business?
In actuality, it's anyone who wants to be concerned for the potential harm (not saying it would happen) of another human being. But if we go by your rule, you're also concerning yourself by responding directly to my comment, so I respond to your question with a question, how is it any of your business?
Wouldn't it be more natural to assume a parent to take care of the well-being of his child? Other than that, your question implies every one else involved in the process hasn't considered this issue as well. Now we can constantly question every whatever least probable theoretical scenario, or tackle issues once any factual sign of problem actually is observable.
Your point might be legitimate as principle, yet a single "it's taken care of" is the most you can get. Anything more specific than that is really not of your concern.
Best to Steven for his trip. I also experience lag (especially annoying audio lag) on the own3d stream whereas the old stream ran fine. Hoping that gets resolved soon -- he should have whatever stream setup serves him best, but I'll be disappointed if it remains laggy for me.
On December 03 2011 10:26 AZKziek wrote: What I want to know is what does he plan on doing with his son?
Hasn't AZK had enough controversy? Why do you need to troll with such an unnecessary comment?
How is that trolling? I'm genuinely concerned for an infant. You're the one being an ass.
Why would you be "concerned"? And how is his family life and how he handles it any of your business?
In actuality, it's anyone who wants to be concerned for the potential harm (not saying it would happen) of another human being. But if we go by your rule, you're also concerning yourself by responding directly to my comment, so I respond to your question with a question, how is it any of your business?
Wouldn't it be more natural to assume a parent to take care of the well-being of his child? Other than that, your question implies every one else involved in the process hasn't considered this issue as well. Now we can constantly question every whatever least probable theoretical scenario, or tackle issues once any factual sign of problem actually is observable.
Your point might be legitimate as principle, yet a single "it's taken care of" is the most you can get. Anything more specific than that is really not of your concern.
And that's all I was wondering, how he planned on taking care of it.
On December 03 2011 10:26 AZKziek wrote: What I want to know is what does he plan on doing with his son?
Hasn't AZK had enough controversy? Why do you need to troll with such an unnecessary comment?
How is that trolling? I'm genuinely concerned for an infant. You're the one being an ass.
Why would you be "concerned"? And how is his family life and how he handles it any of your business?
In actuality, it's anyone who wants to be concerned for the potential harm (not saying it would happen) of another human being. But if we go by your rule, you're also concerning yourself by responding directly to my comment, so I respond to your question with a question, how is it any of your business?
Wouldn't it be more natural to assume a parent to take care of the well-being of his child? Other than that, your question implies every one else involved in the process hasn't considered this issue as well. Now we can constantly question every whatever least probable theoretical scenario, or tackle issues once any factual sign of problem actually is observable.
Your point might be legitimate as principle, yet a single "it's taken care of" is the most you can get. Anything more specific than that is really not of your concern.
And that's all I was wondering, how he planned on taking care of it.
Well from what I know he's actively communicating with his ex wife/gf? So he'll prolly leave his kid with her, or he could let his parents take care of his kid as well, I mean his parents are really supportive of his pro gaming career.
He can only get better from this so I hope he can make the most of this opportunity, but 3 weeks is not enough time to get significantly better to justify the trip.
Streaming KR server will be nice, no more Deezer harassing him on NA.
Perhaps this will be what he needs to finally break into the tournament scene in a big way. Good luck to him- I hope he and StarTale both make the most of it.
does anyone know the exact reason why destiny is going to Korea? just for a short experience? if thats the case, he had rather stay at US and practice on KR ladder for three weeks. honestly, i know Destiny is good especially with infestors but nobody's good or talented enough to get any benefits out of travelling to Korea with only three weeks. If you are going to stay there stay there permanently or dont go b/c its waste your time and team's money.
at least thats my opinion, either way gl it will be good experience but hopefully destiny is not trying to get anything out of from this short trip
On December 03 2011 22:28 NekoFlandre wrote: GL Steven. Your stream is always awesome
well not anymore, or if destiny tries to curse in a korean team house.... ohhhh thats gotta burn for him, not a good idea there if he tries to be fancy in there and bm all over their faces or during stream
i dont understand why everyone acts like this will suddenly make destiny win loads of shit. hes good, but not amazing, and 3 weeks just seems like too little, by the time he gets over the jet lag it will be almost time to come home again, plus, if hes still streaming then it wont be as intensive as it could, which would make it even less useful. but it should be fun for him, so that always good.
Yeah I agree with halfies, I don't think I will see any immediate improvements to his game. But maybe these three weeks will help get on the right track and mindset to form a good training regimen. He's capable and hopefully his time with ST will benefit him in more ways than just simple practice.
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
with a hint of jelly
i would like a hint of that also, incontrol what supports your idea of destiny being able to learn enough to improve at all? i mean... he has already seen the way koreans play from MLG, and thats probably all the experience hes going to get in korea
sorry if i am being negative about this issue, but i really dont see the logic for destiny to go there
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
with a hint of jelly
i would like a hint of that also, incontrol what supports your idea of destiny being able to learn enough to improve at all? i mean... he has already seen the way koreans play from MLG, and thats probably all the experience hes going to get in korea
sorry if i am being negative about this issue, but i really dont see the logic for destiny to go there
seeing koreans play and practicing with them are two different things. i don't understand why everyone has to be so negative about this. it's awesome that he gets to go
On December 04 2011 01:00 Welmu wrote: Hmm... Strange that one would go korea, when he still has a lot room to improve in NA still. Good luck to him nevertheless^^
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
with a hint of jelly
i would like a hint of that also, incontrol what supports your idea of destiny being able to learn enough to improve at all? i mean... he has already seen the way koreans play from MLG, and thats probably all the experience hes going to get in korea
sorry if i am being negative about this issue, but i really dont see the logic for destiny to go there
seeing koreans play and practicing with them are two different things. i don't understand why everyone has to be so negative about this. it's awesome that he gets to go
everyone isnt being negative, most of this thread is destiny fanboys who thinks its amazing and that he'll come out of its massively improved, which i really doubt he will. if he was destroying everyone on NA and needed the challenge then it would maybe make sense, but hes not. i imagine this really short period has something to do with the end of QIM that was announced, and them wanting to keep destiny interested until they can set up a real trip for him, but it seems to me that its a waste of time. but hey, maybe hell come back and be #1 GM a week later, and then well all look like idiots
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
Was expecting this comment to be a reply to a flow of idiotic hype/troll/bash/whatnot. But there were like 2 guys who were moderately skeptical about the positive effects of Destiny's trip and a bunch of encouraging words from the others. Not worth a "oh stop people". TL is not that bad a place yet.
you guys aren't thinking about the bigger picture of this journey. While this is for training and what not it's also about making connections, if he gets on well with Bomber (for example) he's got a significantly better practice partner now than he's ever had before.
im not being negative, sure it would be great for anyone to go to Korea and learn so much within just 3 weeks, but u think about it, is three weeks enough for you to actually learn enough so that u can actually beat high level players? does this mean other players arent practicing while destiny's gone to korea?
plus, it takes weeks to even settle down and just learn their style and get used to them. Ive read and heard what naniwa and huk saying about being in Korea. Naniwa even said it was stupid for Thorzain to go bak to Sweden after just short time at the korea. This strongly indicates that how much time it actually takes for anyone to be able to increase their skill while in Korea.
On December 03 2011 05:14 Grettin wrote: Only three weeks. I doubt it will do any (big) wonders for him. Good luck though.
On December 03 2011 12:24 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote: Personally I feel he is the least deserving of QxG to deserve this. But whatever, gl to him.
On December 04 2011 00:59 Haustka wrote: sorry if i am being negative about this issue, but i really dont see the logic for destiny to go there
my god. so many people have some stick up their ass about destiny's improvement. everything the guy does there's always a crowd of people sitting there saying "destiny overrated. destiny not improving. destiny wasting time." just let the man do something for once without being so critical.
On December 03 2011 05:14 Grettin wrote: Only three weeks. I doubt it will do any (big) wonders for him. Good luck though.
On December 03 2011 12:24 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote: Personally I feel he is the least deserving of QxG to deserve this. But whatever, gl to him.
On December 04 2011 00:59 Haustka wrote: sorry if i am being negative about this issue, but i really dont see the logic for destiny to go there
my god. so many people have some stick up their ass about destiny's improvement. everything the guy does there's always a crowd of people sitting there saying "destiny overrated. destiny not improving. destiny wasting time." just let the man do something for once without being so critical.
People are entitled to opinions, both positive and negative.
Why even make the trip for 3 weeks? I mean training in Korea is always a good opportunity but only 3 weeks doesn't seem to be a good amount of time to have it actually affect your skill level too much. Is the 3 week trip because of a tournament?
I think that this can only be a good thing for Destiny. Koreans have the stereotypes of having very strict, structured builds, and for a lot of the successful Korean players, that is true. I believe that if Destiny can experience this very refined playstyle and apply it to his very creative, reflexive builds, I really think he can only benefit from this trip.
I don't see this amounting to anything. Destiny is basically just a mid-high masters NA Zerg. I'm not sure why ST would let him into their house when there are probably far better candidates on ladder.
On December 04 2011 04:35 Shiori wrote: I don't see this amounting to anything. Destiny is basically just a mid-high masters NA Zerg. I'm not sure why ST would let him into their house when there are probably far better candidates on ladder.
On December 04 2011 04:35 Shiori wrote: I don't see this amounting to anything. Destiny is basically just a mid-high masters NA Zerg. I'm not sure why ST would let him into their house when there are probably far better candidates on ladder.
Because he has so many viewers.
Yeah, he has a lot of community support, and saying hes mid-high masters is pretty rough considering hes gm/topofmasters.
On December 04 2011 01:59 Haustka wrote: im not being negative, sure it would be great for anyone to go to Korea and learn so much within just 3 weeks, but u think about it, is three weeks enough for you to actually learn enough so that u can actually beat high level players? does this mean other players arent practicing while destiny's gone to korea?
plus, it takes weeks to even settle down and just learn their style and get used to them. Ive read and heard what naniwa and huk saying about being in Korea. Naniwa even said it was stupid for Thorzain to go bak to Sweden after just short time at the korea. This strongly indicates that how much time it actually takes for anyone to be able to increase their skill while in Korea.
Odds are its like a trial run. You don't just drop everything and goto Korea with the intent of staying for a very long time. Things might not work out, or it might turn out to be a shitty decision. Giving it a 3 week trial first before actually committing is a very smart thing to do. You test the waters and see if your personality meshes well with the team, and that everything will go as planned etc. Why would you blindly commit to such a longterm endevour? Everyone saying 3weeks is too short is not taking this into effect. For all Destiny/Startale knows they could end up hating each other, and be forced into a situation that would end bad for both sides. At least this way if they dont get along , destiny can leave after his 3 week stay.
Secondly, 3 weeks might not be enough to play as good as the koreans but it will 100% without a doubt open destinys eyes to how they practice in korea, and the difference he has. This is always a positive thing, and something he will be able to pick up even when he returns to NA. Also, 3 weeks will certainly give him the time to have a few korean zergs run through his playstyle and offer suggestions on how to improve it. He might not have the time to mass game endlessly to perfect everything, but simply getting the advice daily from their zerg players will help him out for sure. He can return to NA with new ideas, new timings and builds to work on, and an outlook similar to a professional korean player.
yeah, thats a good assumption there eXigent, i will also think it as a trial run and hopefully destiny gets to stay in Korea for at least months. i posted a page or two before that I wanted to know the exact reason why destiny is going to Korea, because like u mentioned three weeks might not be enough. Also, as a player if u are commit to do something u should stick to the task. And I feel destiny is not as dedicated, not just yet, to the game if he is the one who decided to stay only three weeks. Im not saying destiny isnt dedicated, in fact hes one of the most dedicated player who streams the most with a lot of viewers each time.
i think i said this earlier but i will say it again, i respect destiny as player, but as high level player myself(just high master... i can easily get into top 8 spot if i wanted to, but not at the moment) i dont see much gain for destiny flying to Korea for only three weeks. it will give him a taste of what Korean pro gamers do sure.. but will that actually help him in playing sc2? that i have to criticize and say no. thats simply not enough time
On December 04 2011 04:14 chenchen wrote: If Morrow said that right after he arrived in Korea, he lost almost all of his practice games . . . .
A big part of Destiny's time in Korea might just be him being completely crushed by various ST players.
Well.... yeah. Korean teams work very hard on making ~6-8 players good out of a team of 15-20 players. If you aren't part of that top tier, you're probably going to be relegated to doing things like mastering a single build order so that July can work on his ZvZ. He'll be playing the same build game after game for a couple weeks.
It's pretty much what he does right now only against better players.
This is why I don't think 'skill-tourism' works effectively as practice. Now, if you only play 6 hours a day in NA, and play 16 hours a day in KR, of course the trip will help you get better, of course you'll come home and say "yeah, it really helped my game". But I think those 16 hours would be just as - if not more - effective in NA, with NA players, speaking english, talking about the game.
I'd actually really love to study this because how people learn is a huge turn on for me.
On December 03 2011 05:14 Grettin wrote: Only three weeks. I doubt it will do any (big) wonders for him. Good luck though.
On December 03 2011 12:24 lessQQmorePEWPEW wrote: Personally I feel he is the least deserving of QxG to deserve this. But whatever, gl to him.
On December 04 2011 00:59 Haustka wrote: sorry if i am being negative about this issue, but i really dont see the logic for destiny to go there
my god. so many people have some stick up their ass about destiny's improvement. everything the guy does there's always a crowd of people sitting there saying "destiny overrated. destiny not improving. destiny wasting time." just let the man do something for once without being so critical.
It's because he's so popular so you'll always have the extreme haters/lovers and the people in between. I think 3 weeks to korea is good for anyone who takes sc2 seriously as long as your funded because it'll be a nice learning experience. You don't want to plan to go there for a long time and it's not what you expected or just not prepared for it(ex: Sheth)
I really hope he gets more serious about practice, I remember way back when he started practicing customs with Minigun instead of mass laddering. His gameplay improved a lot especially in ZvP and when he eventually made it on ROOT he went even further skill wise. Anyway what im saying is I think he needs to play better and better players in order to improve himself, hopefully while hes in Korea he picks up some pointers to fine tune his game.
Anyways, is there any possibility of a partnership between QxG and ST?
Destiny doesn't pay for the trip, his sponsors do, willingly. Not to mention he will be streaming and making bank from ad revenue while staying there. So what exactly are you talking about?
Still amazes me on how popular he was and not great results I am not hating on him just very very interesting that ppl gives him so much attention over say a player like Sen. Just because of a personality. Like I said not hating hope he does well. GL
On December 05 2011 05:24 SeizeTheDay wrote: Still amazes me on how popular he was and not great results I am not hating on him just very very interesting that ppl gives him so much attention over say a payer like Sen. Just because of a personality. Like I said not hating hope he does well. GL
To be fair Sen likes to hide in Taiwan and appears briefly to beat everyone up and the SC2 fanbase can be fairly fickle with players so he often slips from everyone's mind. Still I don't see anything wrong with this, July can teach him how to ultra refine a baneling bust.
On December 05 2011 05:24 SeizeTheDay wrote: Still amazes me on how popular he was and not great results I am not hating on him just very very interesting that ppl gives him so much attention over say a player like Sen. Just because of a personality. Like I said not hating hope he does well. GL
not only was, still is and always will be if you ask me. anyways, it's probably because the foreign scene don't hold skill to such high esteem compard to the korean one. at least if you are to believe what lastshadow talks about the korean scene. though, korea sure has its amount streamers known for their entertainment as well, what was that nutjob from bw again? ^^"
On December 05 2011 05:24 SeizeTheDay wrote: Still amazes me on how popular he was and not great results I am not hating on him just very very interesting that ppl gives him so much attention over say a player like Sen. Just because of a personality. Like I said not hating hope he does well. GL
not only was, still is and always will be if you ask me. anyways, it's probably because the foreign scene don't hold skill to such high esteem compard to the korean one. at least if you are to believe what lastshadow talks about the korean scene. though, korea sure has its amount streamers known for their entertainment as well, what was that nutjob from bw again? ^^"
On December 05 2011 05:24 SeizeTheDay wrote: Still amazes me on how popular he was and not great results I am not hating on him just very very interesting that ppl gives him so much attention over say a player like Sen. Just because of a personality. Like I said not hating hope he does well. GL
i would rather cheer for some pro i like(who doesnt make great showings all the time) then some douche that just wins all the time
Hell do well and hopefully he'll like it so much that he stays there for three months and after that owns up NA ladder onehandedely while sleeping and giving a lesson in the meantime.
I'll tell you exactly how it's going to go. He's going to spend more time streaming Kr ladder than practicing. Nobody will watch his stream because it is on own3d.tv He won't get any better He will still go 0-2 in MLG open brackets.
On December 05 2011 08:13 MattO1337 wrote: I'll tell you exactly how it's going to go. He's going to spend more time streaming Kr ladder than practicing. Nobody will watch his stream because it is on own3d.tv He won't get any better He will still go 0-2 in MLG open brackets.
nice positive attitude you got there.
i dont know how its gonna go but i hope the best for destiny
On December 05 2011 08:13 MattO1337 wrote: I'll tell you exactly how it's going to go. He's going to spend more time streaming Kr ladder than practicing. Nobody will watch his stream because it is on own3d.tv He won't get any better He will still go 0-2 in MLG open brackets.
Here's a sensible persons version: He's going to play a lottt of games, ladder and customs He's going to make more revenue because own3d gives more money per ad and people want to see him vs koreans He's going to get better than he would have if he stayed in america for 3 weeks He still may not show results at MLG but this trip certainly won't hurt his results
On December 05 2011 08:13 MattO1337 wrote: I'll tell you exactly how it's going to go. He's going to spend more time streaming Kr ladder than practicing. Nobody will watch his stream because it is on own3d.tv He won't get any better He will still go 0-2 in MLG open brackets.
He will stream KR ladder because his fans are in love with the idea of him being a pro and they will tune in His fans will watch him on own3d.tv even if it is kind of crappy and he will get his extra couple cents per 1000 He won't get any better He will still go 0-2 in MLG open brackets and still make more money than 98% of SC2 pros
On December 05 2011 08:13 MattO1337 wrote: I'll tell you exactly how it's going to go. He's going to spend more time streaming Kr ladder than practicing. Nobody will watch his stream because it is on own3d.tv He won't get any better He will still go 0-2 in MLG open brackets.
He will stream KR ladder because his fans are in love with the idea of him being a pro and they will tune in His fans will watch him on own3d.tv even if it is kind of crappy and he will get his extra couple cents per 1000 He won't get any better He will still go 0-2 in MLG open brackets and still make more money than 98% of SC2 pros
How are you people saying this stuff? Are you psychic? Are you looking into the future? What if he played 16 hours a day every day, what then? The point is, you don't know what Destiny will and won't do. If he is willing to pick up and leave the country for three weeks for Starcraft (more then you have done), then it is impossible to know what else he will do for Starcraft in those three weeks. All anyone should be doing is wishing him luck and hoping this trip is fruitful for him.
But stop acting like a false prophet from the future just because you get off on gambling on cynicism and ending up right. If more people gambled like you, there would be no Starcraft scene.
I'm not being cynical, he's incredibly successful at what he does and I'm as happy for a stranger as I can be. But he's not a pro gamer, the only people who still don't seem to know that yet are his fans. If you think winning a tournament is of a higher priority to him than his stream revenue you're fooling yourself. Destiny is a guy who made SC2 his career, which is cool. Destiny fans are like people invested in a reality TV show under the belief that it isn't all scripted, and 3 weeks in Korea isn't just a new plotline from the producer.
On December 05 2011 09:22 floor exercise wrote: I'm not being cynical, he's incredibly successful at what he does and I'm as happy for a stranger as I can be. But he's not a pro gamer, the only people who still don't seem to know that yet are his fans. If you think winning a tournament is of a higher priority to him than his stream revenue you're fooling yourself. Destiny is a guy who made SC2 his career, which is cool. Destiny fans are like people invested in a reality TV show under the belief that it isn't all scripted, and 3 weeks in Korea isn't just a new plotline from the producer.
That's exactly what I thought when I first heard about this too, but maybe that's not right. I mean as of the past 2-3 months Destiny has really been trying to up his game and take it more seriously. He's joined a real pro team, and he goes to basically every MLG now. He has taken his celebrity from streaming and is using it to get his foot in the door of the pro scene. I think this move time in Korea could be a legitimate move to get more than his foot in the door. Now, 3 weeks isn't going to make him the next Sase or Thorzain, but it's certainly going to give him a taste for real competition. Playing on KR will make him look worse to his fans. He's going to get killed by no name Koreans left and right. He wouldn't do this if he weren't serious about upping his game. At least, I hope.
^^ stop trying to convince yourself that destiny cares about how anything other then the income that his stream offers him. He is an professional entertainer , not a professional gamer.
Anyways, This should be sick entertainment! Cant wait to see if hes allowed to stream inhouse games, that would be sick!
On December 04 2011 09:36 theBizness wrote: Has it ever occurred to people that depending on how this trip goes, there may be more/longer ones in the future? Apparently not.
exactly. this could be a trial run. He has a kid, he cant just jump on a never ending korea trip without knowing how it works.
he could possibly do 3 on 3 off in the future if he likes it, or any other schedule but someone who is a father cant just up and leave.
This is supposed to be about Destiny but some guy comes in and nitpicks incontrol for saying something that isn't even offensive. Causing a ridiculous amount of uneeded drama with clearly idiotic reasons in the wrong thread. I wish something could happen to users like that, its just plain annoying.
But anyway; Congrats to Destiny! I'm a fan and I hope you'll benefit the best but also relax and see and experience the marvelous cultural sites of korea
Destiny congrats on training with Startales was probably so hard to get them to let you practice with them. they are such a great team and like i said congrats hope to see you in some more really big tournaments like IEM,IPL and NASL and maybe even GSL
It will be fun seeing how badly he gets roflstomped on the Korean ladder! Perhaps though this little trip will increase his skill enough to actually become a somewhat legitimate pro-gamer instead of a random guy that just happened to get popular because of his stream despite a clear lack of true ability... The foreign scene needs more good players, so here's to hoping this trip actually makes him a decent player...
Let's see. In the last couple of months he has beaten Tyler, Incontrol, TSL_Rain, SlayersGolden and Sheth (has also gotten his ass kicked by him and a bunch of Koreans). That's what I could remember/find in 2 minutes. The list goes on obviously.
And yes, he has probably lost more than won against actual pros, but It's simply stupid to claim that he isn't "a decent player".
He is good and has a fun personality. He has worked hard. He deserves everything good coming to him. Fuck the haters.
I really hope he will stream some practice games. I watch his stream to see how terrans win lol so I hope practice with bomber and rainbow will make him less bm against terrans. "Vikings are imba" but its really cool that more players are going over. Na fighting
On December 06 2011 02:05 d00p wrote: Let's see. In the last couple of months he has beaten Tyler, Incontrol, TSL_Rain, SlayersGolden and Sheth (has also gotten his ass kicked by him and a bunch of Koreans).
Tyler and Incontrol are two of the worst pro-gamers in the world who often get beaten by no-name players in MLG open brackets etc., SlayersGolden hasn't even made a dent in the code A qualifiers, and against Sheth that's a pretty volatile MU and as you said he also got owned by Sheth recently as well. As I said in my previous post, I hope that he gets better in Korea because we need more good foreigners, but up to this point his "career" has basically been a joke that only exists because a bunch of people like to watch him be BM on the ladder...
Love how all the people want to come in here and shit on destiny. He's not even a pro-gamer, they say!
Well neither are you bro. When you get out of platinum league maybe you'll understand going to korea is an awesome opportunity for anybody and you shouldn't be such dicks.
On December 05 2011 15:24 Doctor.Ownage wrote: ^^ stop trying to convince yourself that destiny cares about how anything other then the income that his stream offers him. He is an professional entertainer , not a professional gamer.
Anyways, This should be sick entertainment! Cant wait to see if hes allowed to stream inhouse games, that would be sick!
I may be assuming a little here but it seems like you base this on the fact that he does not seem to have many tournament results. Destiny is a gamer first and an entertainer second, he said this himself. He got offered many chances to do some co-casting and other such "entertainment" like things but he refuses them because he is a gamer first. A lot of what I see him do is improve himself as a gamer but because he is also an entertainer, it hinders his progress somewhat as a gamer.
On December 05 2011 15:24 Doctor.Ownage wrote: ^^ stop trying to convince yourself that destiny cares about how anything other then the income that his stream offers him. He is an professional entertainer , not a professional gamer.
Anyways, This should be sick entertainment! Cant wait to see if hes allowed to stream inhouse games, that would be sick!
I may be assuming a little here but it seems like you base this on the fact that he does not seem to have many tournament results. Destiny is a gamer first and an entertainer second, he said this himself. He got offered many chances to do some co-casting and other such "entertainment" like things but he refuses them because he is a gamer first. A lot of what I see him do is improve himself as a gamer but because he is also an entertainer, it hinders his progress somewhat as a gamer.
destiny might be a gamer, but you can be in bronze league and still be a gamer. he streams to make money, and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. i also think he makes more from streaming than he would make as a caster, because he wouldn't be good enough to cast any really big tournaments, just because hes BM, and thats probably the reason why he has the fans he does.
3 weeks? That doesn't seem like enough time to practice and train in Korea, I feel like a couple of months would benefit more. Granted money is always an issue and so is the language barrier, but personally I believe that isn't sufficient time to get a grasp of the way Koreans play the game. Nonetheless, congrats to Destiny and good luck to him.
On December 05 2011 15:24 Doctor.Ownage wrote: ^^ stop trying to convince yourself that destiny cares about how anything other then the income that his stream offers him. He is an professional entertainer , not a professional gamer.
Anyways, This should be sick entertainment! Cant wait to see if hes allowed to stream inhouse games, that would be sick!
I may be assuming a little here but it seems like you base this on the fact that he does not seem to have many tournament results. Destiny is a gamer first and an entertainer second, he said this himself. He got offered many chances to do some co-casting and other such "entertainment" like things but he refuses them because he is a gamer first. A lot of what I see him do is improve himself as a gamer but because he is also an entertainer, it hinders his progress somewhat as a gamer.
destiny might be a gamer, but you can be in bronze league and still be a gamer. he streams to make money, and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. i also think he makes more from streaming than he would make as a caster, because he wouldn't be good enough to cast any really big tournaments, just because hes BM, and thats probably the reason why he has the fans he does.
Despite being Destiny being BM, he really didn't garner his fans because of that. It was more of his more intriguing and intresting play during the start of his career and he does show willingness to improve and despite many classifiying him as an entertainer, who's to say he isn't trying to improve as a player as well? Does improving as a player make you less of an entertainer? Does becoming a better player net you less viewers? I can only see it getting higher and his stay in Korea should make him a better player.
On December 06 2011 02:05 d00p wrote: Let's see. In the last couple of months he has beaten Tyler, Incontrol, TSL_Rain, SlayersGolden and Sheth (has also gotten his ass kicked by him and a bunch of Koreans).
Tyler and Incontrol are two of the worst pro-gamers in the world who often get beaten by no-name players in MLG open brackets etc., SlayersGolden hasn't even made a dent in the code A qualifiers, and against Sheth that's a pretty volatile MU and as you said he also got owned by Sheth recently as well. As I said in my previous post, I hope that he gets better in Korea because we need more good foreigners, but up to this point his "career" has basically been a joke that only exists because a bunch of people like to watch him be BM on the ladder...
Incontrol and Tyler aren't top notch progamers right now but neither have lost to no name players in the MLG open bracket. Get your facts straight man.
On December 05 2011 15:24 Doctor.Ownage wrote: ^^ stop trying to convince yourself that destiny cares about how anything other then the income that his stream offers him. He is an professional entertainer , not a professional gamer.
Anyways, This should be sick entertainment! Cant wait to see if hes allowed to stream inhouse games, that would be sick!
I may be assuming a little here but it seems like you base this on the fact that he does not seem to have many tournament results. Destiny is a gamer first and an entertainer second, he said this himself. He got offered many chances to do some co-casting and other such "entertainment" like things but he refuses them because he is a gamer first. A lot of what I see him do is improve himself as a gamer but because he is also an entertainer, it hinders his progress somewhat as a gamer.
destiny might be a gamer, but you can be in bronze league and still be a gamer. he streams to make money, and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. i also think he makes more from streaming than he would make as a caster, because he wouldn't be good enough to cast any really big tournaments, just because hes BM, and thats probably the reason why he has the fans he does.
eveyrbody streams to make moeny go on twitch click sc2 and see how many people get no viewers but still stream in the hopes of building up a afnbase for loots, cmon this is the most herp derp arguement ever, destiny isnt a pro gamer because he likes ot make money streaming herp derp..... wheres the logic i bet he roflstomps you in a game
On December 05 2011 15:24 Doctor.Ownage wrote: ^^ stop trying to convince yourself that destiny cares about how anything other then the income that his stream offers him. He is an professional entertainer , not a professional gamer.
Anyways, This should be sick entertainment! Cant wait to see if hes allowed to stream inhouse games, that would be sick!
I may be assuming a little here but it seems like you base this on the fact that he does not seem to have many tournament results. Destiny is a gamer first and an entertainer second, he said this himself. He got offered many chances to do some co-casting and other such "entertainment" like things but he refuses them because he is a gamer first. A lot of what I see him do is improve himself as a gamer but because he is also an entertainer, it hinders his progress somewhat as a gamer.
destiny might be a gamer, but you can be in bronze league and still be a gamer. he streams to make money, and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. i also think he makes more from streaming than he would make as a caster, because he wouldn't be good enough to cast any really big tournaments, just because hes BM, and thats probably the reason why he has the fans he does.
eveyrbody streams to make moeny go on twitch click sc2 and see how many people get no viewers but still stream in the hopes of building up a afnbase for loots, cmon this is the most herp derp arguement ever, destiny isnt a pro gamer because he likes ot make money streaming herp derp..... wheres the logic i bet he roflstomps you in a game
Your argument lacks merit. Being a professional in anything by dictionary defintion terms means you make a certain percentage of your total income through it. I forget the exact percentage, I think it's above 50% if i'm not mistaken. I'm pretty sure Steven Bonnell makes 50% of his incoming through streaming, so it's safe to call him a professional gamer (even before he joined a professional gaming team).
On December 05 2011 15:24 Doctor.Ownage wrote: ^^ stop trying to convince yourself that destiny cares about how anything other then the income that his stream offers him. He is an professional entertainer , not a professional gamer.
Anyways, This should be sick entertainment! Cant wait to see if hes allowed to stream inhouse games, that would be sick!
I may be assuming a little here but it seems like you base this on the fact that he does not seem to have many tournament results. Destiny is a gamer first and an entertainer second, he said this himself. He got offered many chances to do some co-casting and other such "entertainment" like things but he refuses them because he is a gamer first. A lot of what I see him do is improve himself as a gamer but because he is also an entertainer, it hinders his progress somewhat as a gamer.
destiny might be a gamer, but you can be in bronze league and still be a gamer. he streams to make money, and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. i also think he makes more from streaming than he would make as a caster, because he wouldn't be good enough to cast any really big tournaments, just because hes BM, and thats probably the reason why he has the fans he does.
eveyrbody streams to make moeny go on twitch click sc2 and see how many people get no viewers but still stream in the hopes of building up a afnbase for loots, cmon this is the most herp derp arguement ever, destiny isnt a pro gamer because he likes ot make money streaming herp derp..... wheres the logic i bet he roflstomps you in a game
imo Destinys stream popularity is hurting his progress. It's keeping him from focusing on improving as a player. It's impossible to compete with players who train Korean style 24/7 if your training regimen consists of roflstomping mid masters level players for the delight of stream viewers. Hopefully Korea will help improve his training methods.
I remember Destiny raging at me for calling him a pro-streamer because he doesn't make money from playing competitively (make a living). From what I hear and gather though, about his play style, work ethic, is that he has talent, but he's incredibly stubborn. Like how he's unwilling to take criticism for his builds and all that, and better off practicing alone. Catz said before that he would tell Destiny that he had the most shit builds, and other progamers would agree, such as Sheth etc, but he wouldn't take any of their advice.
I could be wrong though and maybe he's just here to entertain.
I'm annoyed he switched to Own3D because I enjoyed watching him on my iPad as I rambled around the house or laid in bed. Oh well, his loss...I'll just stream someone else.
On December 05 2011 15:24 Doctor.Ownage wrote: ^^ stop trying to convince yourself that destiny cares about how anything other then the income that his stream offers him. He is an professional entertainer , not a professional gamer.
Anyways, This should be sick entertainment! Cant wait to see if hes allowed to stream inhouse games, that would be sick!
I may be assuming a little here but it seems like you base this on the fact that he does not seem to have many tournament results. Destiny is a gamer first and an entertainer second, he said this himself. He got offered many chances to do some co-casting and other such "entertainment" like things but he refuses them because he is a gamer first. A lot of what I see him do is improve himself as a gamer but because he is also an entertainer, it hinders his progress somewhat as a gamer.
destiny might be a gamer, but you can be in bronze league and still be a gamer. he streams to make money, and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. i also think he makes more from streaming than he would make as a caster, because he wouldn't be good enough to cast any really big tournaments, just because hes BM, and thats probably the reason why he has the fans he does.
Despite being Destiny being BM, he really didn't garner his fans because of that. It was more of his more intriguing and intresting play during the start of his career and he does show willingness to improve and despite many classifiying him as an entertainer, who's to say he isn't trying to improve as a player as well? Does improving as a player make you less of an entertainer? Does becoming a better player net you less viewers? I can only see it getting higher and his stay in Korea should make him a better player.
On December 06 2011 02:05 d00p wrote: Let's see. In the last couple of months he has beaten Tyler, Incontrol, TSL_Rain, SlayersGolden and Sheth (has also gotten his ass kicked by him and a bunch of Koreans).
Tyler and Incontrol are two of the worst pro-gamers in the world who often get beaten by no-name players in MLG open brackets etc., SlayersGolden hasn't even made a dent in the code A qualifiers, and against Sheth that's a pretty volatile MU and as you said he also got owned by Sheth recently as well. As I said in my previous post, I hope that he gets better in Korea because we need more good foreigners, but up to this point his "career" has basically been a joke that only exists because a bunch of people like to watch him be BM on the ladder...
Incontrol and Tyler aren't top notch progamers right now but neither have lost to no name players in the MLG open bracket. Get your facts straight man.
To be fair (and seriously just to be fair, I'm basically as far as you can get from a Destiny fan), a huge reason this happened is because for the vast majority of the season, Incontrol and Tyler weren't in the open bracket. Not saying that they would've lost to nonames, but its worth pointing out.
Anyways, imo this trip shouldn't happen at all. 3 weeks isn't really worth sending the guy out there for anyone imo, especially someone whose skills can still be honed on the NA ladder. quantic should wait and try and get a longer trip
On December 05 2011 15:24 Doctor.Ownage wrote: ^^ stop trying to convince yourself that destiny cares about how anything other then the income that his stream offers him. He is an professional entertainer , not a professional gamer.
Anyways, This should be sick entertainment! Cant wait to see if hes allowed to stream inhouse games, that would be sick!
I may be assuming a little here but it seems like you base this on the fact that he does not seem to have many tournament results. Destiny is a gamer first and an entertainer second, he said this himself. He got offered many chances to do some co-casting and other such "entertainment" like things but he refuses them because he is a gamer first. A lot of what I see him do is improve himself as a gamer but because he is also an entertainer, it hinders his progress somewhat as a gamer.
destiny might be a gamer, but you can be in bronze league and still be a gamer. he streams to make money, and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. i also think he makes more from streaming than he would make as a caster, because he wouldn't be good enough to cast any really big tournaments, just because hes BM, and thats probably the reason why he has the fans he does.
eveyrbody streams to make moeny go on twitch click sc2 and see how many people get no viewers but still stream in the hopes of building up a afnbase for loots, cmon this is the most herp derp arguement ever, destiny isnt a pro gamer because he likes ot make money streaming herp derp..... wheres the logic i bet he roflstomps you in a game
Your argument lacks merit. Being a professional in anything by dictionary defintion terms means you make a certain percentage of your total income through it. I forget the exact percentage, I think it's above 50% if i'm not mistaken. I'm pretty sure Steven Bonnell makes 50% of his incoming through streaming, so it's safe to call him a professional gamer (even before he joined a professional gaming team).
Your argument lacks merit
Your argument lacks truth. Look up the word 'professional' on google and link some sources where it says you make more than 50% of your income through a profession. By your definition many sports figures are NOT professionals because they make more money through advertising, sponsers and other various things. Most people are only arguing this because they want to troll/make destiny fans angry...Keep in mind that according to your incredibly flawed reasoning, if Idra started to stream 10 hours a day he would make considerably more money through ad revenue. Would he no longer be a pro gamer?
On December 06 2011 02:05 d00p wrote: Let's see. In the last couple of months he has beaten Tyler, Incontrol, TSL_Rain, SlayersGolden and Sheth (has also gotten his ass kicked by him and a bunch of Koreans).
Tyler and Incontrol are two of the worst pro-gamers in the world who often get beaten by no-name players in MLG open brackets etc., SlayersGolden hasn't even made a dent in the code A qualifiers, and against Sheth that's a pretty volatile MU and as you said he also got owned by Sheth recently as well. As I said in my previous post, I hope that he gets better in Korea because we need more good foreigners, but up to this point his "career" has basically been a joke that only exists because a bunch of people like to watch him be BM on the ladder...
Incontrol and Tyler aren't top notch progamers right now but neither have lost to no name players in the MLG open bracket. Get your facts straight man.
Are you telling me you wouldn't describe "Binski" as a no name player?
On December 06 2011 02:05 d00p wrote: Let's see. In the last couple of months he has beaten Tyler, Incontrol, TSL_Rain, SlayersGolden and Sheth (has also gotten his ass kicked by him and a bunch of Koreans).
Tyler and Incontrol are two of the worst pro-gamers in the world who often get beaten by no-name players in MLG open brackets etc., SlayersGolden hasn't even made a dent in the code A qualifiers, and against Sheth that's a pretty volatile MU and as you said he also got owned by Sheth recently as well. As I said in my previous post, I hope that he gets better in Korea because we need more good foreigners, but up to this point his "career" has basically been a joke that only exists because a bunch of people like to watch him be BM on the ladder...
Incontrol and Tyler aren't top notch progamers right now but neither have lost to no name players in the MLG open bracket. Get your facts straight man.
To be fair (and seriously just to be fair, I'm basically as far as you can get from a Destiny fan), a huge reason this happened is because for the vast majority of the season, Incontrol and Tyler weren't in the open bracket. Not saying that they would've lost to nonames, but its worth pointing out.
Anyways, imo this trip shouldn't happen at all. 3 weeks isn't really worth sending the guy out there for anyone imo, especially someone whose skills can still be honed on the NA ladder. quantic should wait and try and get a longer trip
edit: but gl anyways
You're half correct. iNcontroL was in pool play all season, except for Providence. Tyler, on the other hand, had, what? 2 or 3 out of 6 MLGs in pool play? He has never lost to no-names in open bracket. On the contrary, he has taken down some impressive players, such as choya. He has made it through the open bracket directly to pool play, so get your facts straight.
EDIT: Okay, Binski. One time. WHOOOOOOA. And being taken out by no-names isn't exactly exclusive to Tyler. Polt, Oz, MajOr, these are all guys who have taken out by people who were, at the time, no-names.
On December 06 2011 02:05 d00p wrote: Let's see. In the last couple of months he has beaten Tyler, Incontrol, TSL_Rain, SlayersGolden and Sheth (has also gotten his ass kicked by him and a bunch of Koreans).
Tyler and Incontrol are two of the worst pro-gamers in the world who often get beaten by no-name players in MLG open brackets etc., SlayersGolden hasn't even made a dent in the code A qualifiers, and against Sheth that's a pretty volatile MU and as you said he also got owned by Sheth recently as well. As I said in my previous post, I hope that he gets better in Korea because we need more good foreigners, but up to this point his "career" has basically been a joke that only exists because a bunch of people like to watch him be BM on the ladder...
Incontrol and Tyler aren't top notch progamers right now but neither have lost to no name players in the MLG open bracket. Get your facts straight man.
To be fair (and seriously just to be fair, I'm basically as far as you can get from a Destiny fan), a huge reason this happened is because for the vast majority of the season, Incontrol and Tyler weren't in the open bracket. Not saying that they would've lost to nonames, but its worth pointing out.
Anyways, imo this trip shouldn't happen at all. 3 weeks isn't really worth sending the guy out there for anyone imo, especially someone whose skills can still be honed on the NA ladder. quantic should wait and try and get a longer trip
edit: but gl anyways
You're half correct. iNcontroL was in pool play all season, except for Providence. Tyler, on the other hand, had, what? 2 or 3 out of 6 MLGs in pool play? He has never lost to no-names in open bracket. On the contrary, he has taken down some impressive players, such as choya. He has made it through the open bracket directly to pool play, so get your facts straight.
EDIT: Okay, Binski. One time. WHOOOOOOA. And being taken out by no-names isn't exactly exclusive to Tyler. Polt, Oz, MajOr, these are all guys who have taken out by people who were, at the time, no-names.
heh, one of the best shut downs i have read. Well played sir. I also hate people spouting opinions as fact. I think tyler and incontrol have their best days infront of them, but they put so much time into producing stuff for the community i don't know how much quality practice they get in. All i know is i'll be cheering them on from infront of my PC
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
Incontrol, why don't you go to kor? Would love to see ya pwning em
Back on topic...Good luck to Destiny. While he may not be the best player overall he does show a desire to learn. I'm a big fan but will agree he isn't at a top level. (Its frustrating to watch play Skyrim/LoL the days leading up to MLG and such.) However, he is constantly improving and learning. Everyone thought he would just fade into obscurity after the infestor nerf, and while his play did suffer he has been working at ways around it.
I think the trip to Korea will be a benefit to him. If nothing else at least he won't have to deal with Deezer, and he will get some uninterrupted time to focus on his play. Being a father is hard and distracting to his play and a little escape might really allow him to at least discover some new things to focus on.
On December 05 2011 15:24 Doctor.Ownage wrote: ^^ stop trying to convince yourself that destiny cares about how anything other then the income that his stream offers him. He is an professional entertainer , not a professional gamer.
Anyways, This should be sick entertainment! Cant wait to see if hes allowed to stream inhouse games, that would be sick!
I may be assuming a little here but it seems like you base this on the fact that he does not seem to have many tournament results. Destiny is a gamer first and an entertainer second, he said this himself. He got offered many chances to do some co-casting and other such "entertainment" like things but he refuses them because he is a gamer first. A lot of what I see him do is improve himself as a gamer but because he is also an entertainer, it hinders his progress somewhat as a gamer.
destiny might be a gamer, but you can be in bronze league and still be a gamer. he streams to make money, and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. i also think he makes more from streaming than he would make as a caster, because he wouldn't be good enough to cast any really big tournaments, just because hes BM, and thats probably the reason why he has the fans he does.
Despite being Destiny being BM, he really didn't garner his fans because of that. It was more of his more intriguing and intresting play during the start of his career and he does show willingness to improve and despite many classifiying him as an entertainer, who's to say he isn't trying to improve as a player as well? Does improving as a player make you less of an entertainer? Does becoming a better player net you less viewers? I can only see it getting higher and his stay in Korea should make him a better player.
Well I used to watch him a lot. But lately he screams a lot and says stupid stuff all the time. I cannot listen to him anymore. Before on his stream you would get different and fun tactics with him explaining what he is doing and what he is expecting (and it was fun to listen to his rage) and he would often have provoking discussion with people from the chat or others on his Skype.
Now he just screams stupid shit and talks with others in a way that fits a 15year old, not a person around 22 with a child.
3 weeks is enough time for him to get help with how to train, get some ideas, points on what to work on and so on. Sure he probably wont come back and win MLG etc but 3 weeks is better then nothing.
On December 05 2011 15:24 Doctor.Ownage wrote: ^^ stop trying to convince yourself that destiny cares about how anything other then the income that his stream offers him. He is an professional entertainer , not a professional gamer.
Anyways, This should be sick entertainment! Cant wait to see if hes allowed to stream inhouse games, that would be sick!
I may be assuming a little here but it seems like you base this on the fact that he does not seem to have many tournament results. Destiny is a gamer first and an entertainer second, he said this himself. He got offered many chances to do some co-casting and other such "entertainment" like things but he refuses them because he is a gamer first. A lot of what I see him do is improve himself as a gamer but because he is also an entertainer, it hinders his progress somewhat as a gamer.
destiny might be a gamer, but you can be in bronze league and still be a gamer. he streams to make money, and anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded. i also think he makes more from streaming than he would make as a caster, because he wouldn't be good enough to cast any really big tournaments, just because hes BM, and thats probably the reason why he has the fans he does.
eveyrbody streams to make moeny go on twitch click sc2 and see how many people get no viewers but still stream in the hopes of building up a afnbase for loots, cmon this is the most herp derp arguement ever, destiny isnt a pro gamer because he likes ot make money streaming herp derp..... wheres the logic i bet he roflstomps you in a game
Your argument lacks merit. Being a professional in anything by dictionary defintion terms means you make a certain percentage of your total income through it. I forget the exact percentage, I think it's above 50% if i'm not mistaken. I'm pretty sure Steven Bonnell makes 50% of his incoming through streaming, so it's safe to call him a professional gamer (even before he joined a professional gaming team).
Your argument lacks merit
dude i was saying it is ridiculous to say Destiny isnt a pro gamer thnx for not reading, i was replyign to another post hence why i qouted them.......
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
Incontrol, why don't you go to kor? Would love to see ya pwning em
He was once in Korea, I think. Actually at the very beginning of sc2. But not sure for what, he was only there briefly.
Anyways, is there any possibility of a partnership between QxG and ST?
Destiny doesn't pay for the trip, his sponsors do, willingly. Not to mention he will be streaming and making bank from ad revenue while staying there. So what exactly are you talking about?
I'm saying that if you sponsor a flight for somebody, I'd rather see them sending somebody who can commit more. Not blaming Steve for only staying for three weeks, since he has a kid to take care of, actually I am pleasantly surprised that he is going at all.
Don't think it will do much to produce actual results. Destiny's success began and will end with the infestor. He doesn't show the same sophistication in builds as other pros. That level of detail will be among others to keep him from producing.
Hopefully Destiny can take a game off a ST player when he's there. Once the infestor nerf happened, his results just tanked. He really needs this training.
On December 06 2011 11:44 Brainling wrote: I'm annoyed he switched to Own3D because I enjoyed watching him on my iPad as I rambled around the house or laid in bed. Oh well, his loss...I'll just stream someone else.
This is the exact sentiments I have. I even bought a few months of JTV because the ads were causing cancer. Now I just watch other things on JTV
I want to start this post by saying I absolutely hope Destiny comes out of Korea and can beat Deezer 100% of the time, streamcheating or no. It would be equally cool (and not fully unreasonable) for him to also rank top 10 in NA GM and actually hold it for a while. I want these things to happen.
That said, I say this: The difference between a player like IdrA and a player like Destiny is that where IdrA plays to get good and win tournaments (and has a huge viewer audience because of it), Destiny plays to entertain streamwatchers (and attends tournaments / showmatches to maintain credibility (yes, he does have credibility))
Will Destiny benefit from going to Korea? Hell yeah. He'll become a better player with a better understanding of the game and more experience in general. Will he become a top-tier pro expected to place well at MLG/GSL/IPL/NASL? I doubt it, because it isn't his motivation to do so, and until his primary motivation isn't "Make money by being goddamn entertaining" I can't see Destiny working up the motivation to compete at the highest of levels. I mean, why should he? He's got a damn good thing going and is very well suited for what he does... why should he need to place well at MLG?
It makes sense for all involved parties to do this. People -will- watch Destiny play in Korea and any involved sponsors -will- get word of their products out to viewers. It's a good thing for all parties involved, I just think it's important to note that the primary motivation isn't "Get Destiny good enough for #1 GM KOREA!", but "Use the skills of a talented and entertaining streamer to further the franchise and PROMOTE ESPORTS."
Hope he stays for at least 1 and a half months, doubt he will make any decent results if he stays for only 3 weeks, really happy for him though, great opportunity for him and i hope he enjoys it. If he does stay for 1-2 months at the least i think he could become one of the top foreigners, some people can get only so good, however.
my theory: -his mechanics will improve slightly -he will still make infestors -if people make high templars or ghost and use any sense of control destiny will be in trouble still.
Why do I have a feeling that being in Korea for 3 weeks won't change anything for Destiny. He is still just going to stream ladder games only difference is he is on KR server. 3 weeks isn't enough to improve at all especially when most people can play KR ladder from US without lag.
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
3 weeks later.... Destiny wins every single tournament starting January.
No, but all seriousness, is 3 weeks really going to help? If anything I could see it influencing his overall practice regiment when he comes back to the states, but in terms of radical improvement....
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
3 weeks later.... Destiny wins every single tournament starting January.
No, but all seriousness, is 3 weeks really going to help? If anything I could see it influencing his overall practice regiment when he comes back to the states, but in terms of radical improvement....
Actually it just for 10 days. He arrived in Korea about a day ago.
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
3 weeks later.... Destiny wins every single tournament starting January.
No, but all seriousness, is 3 weeks really going to help? If anything I could see it influencing his overall practice regiment when he comes back to the states, but in terms of radical improvement....
He wont be the #1 zerg but there is going to be a jump in his play for sure
Ya that short period of time is going to do nothing for him. Unless he uses the tools around him in the startale players but I'm sure hes just gonna ladder on kr and he already does that. Just my opinion but I think you need to stay much longer to start to see improvments.
Unfortunately 3 weeks is not going to do anything to him accept introduce him to hardcore practice korean style, hopefully he can arrange longer trips in the future but I do understand his more personal side of life with his son etc. So I'm not sure if this is going to be a success unless he stays for longer periods (Maybe 4months+) I guess it's entirely up to his commitment to the game and his strive to become one of the best in the SC2 Era.
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
3 weeks later.... Destiny wins every single tournament starting January.
No, but all seriousness, is 3 weeks really going to help? If anything I could see it influencing his overall practice regiment when he comes back to the states, but in terms of radical improvement....
Actually it just for 10 days. He arrived in Korea about a day ago.
Don't know where you got 10 days from, he is returning on the 9th of January.
I think what he might gain the most is a sense of a strict practice regime that he can bring home. Seems like his biggest problem has been motivation and structure in practice which has led to a stagnation or perhaps even decline in the quality of his play. I don't know how much he gain improve while he's there but if he is able to learn how to efficiently improve that could make the trip worth it unto itself.
If Destiny keeps a strict practice routine over in Korea, there is no doubt he'll improve somewhat, 3 weeks isn't enough to become the top player in the world obviously but an experience such as this one can influence his own practice regimes if he comes back after three weeks.
Also, I hate when people mention the people he has beaten, I've beaten demuslim idra etc which i will won't deny feels good but it does not make me a pro caliber player. Destiny needs to show results in the bigger tournaments which have not been there for him.
I dont see why people think 3 weeks isnt a long time. Thats kinda like saying if you skip 3 weeks of school or a sport youll be fine. plus 3 weeks everyday practice will do a lot
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
3 weeks later.... Destiny wins every single tournament starting January.
No, but all seriousness, is 3 weeks really going to help? If anything I could see it influencing his overall practice regiment when he comes back to the states, but in terms of radical improvement....
Actually it just for 10 days. He arrived in Korea about a day ago.
Don't know where you got 10 days from, he is returning on the 9th of January.
After coming home from Korea, he's going to stay with Catz for a bit for Snowboarding. I think the 9th is when he arrives back in Nebraska.
On December 19 2011 03:09 raf3776 wrote: I dont see why people think 3 weeks isnt a long time. Thats kinda like saying if you skip 3 weeks of school or a sport youll be fine. plus 3 weeks everyday practice will do a lot
that's an awful analogy... 3 weeks is nothing, what is the point of going if you aren't going to stay 3 months +
On December 19 2011 03:18 nerfherder182 wrote: Honestly i think destiny is a hardcore casual player, i just dont see him getting any better then he is now. QQ
Thats just my opinion haha
Kinda harsh on him there. I think it takes about 3 years or more of constant playing RTS games such as Startcraft or Warcraft 3 to become a top player. As far as i know he has a backround in nether, so 1 year in SC2 and he is making good progress as far as i can tell
On December 03 2011 05:23 iNcontroL wrote: oh stop people. 3 weeks will make him better but nobody is going to argue he will become the #1 foreign zerg in 3 weeks.. it's a great training period and a nice opportunity for a guy who hasn't been to korea to go to korea in the name of sc2.. just be happy for him.
3 weeks later.... Destiny wins every single tournament starting January.
No, but all seriousness, is 3 weeks really going to help? If anything I could see it influencing his overall practice regiment when he comes back to the states, but in terms of radical improvement....
Actually it just for 10 days. He arrived in Korea about a day ago.
Don't know where you got 10 days from, he is returning on the 9th of January.
After coming home from Korea, he's going to stay with Catz for a bit for Snowboarding. I think the 9th is when he arrives back in Nebraska.
I thought he'd attend HomeStoryCup starting on the 5th?
On December 19 2011 03:09 raf3776 wrote: I dont see why people think 3 weeks isnt a long time. Thats kinda like saying if you skip 3 weeks of school or a sport youll be fine. plus 3 weeks everyday practice will do a lot
3 weeks in korea is nothing compared to how much Huk, Idra, Sase, Naniwa, ect. are training.
Also; playing Deus Ex, Skyrim, and LoL doesn't help either.
On December 19 2011 03:09 raf3776 wrote: I dont see why people think 3 weeks isnt a long time. Thats kinda like saying if you skip 3 weeks of school or a sport youll be fine. plus 3 weeks everyday practice will do a lot
3 weeks in korea is nothing compared to how much Huk, Idra, Sase, Naniwa, ect. are training.
Also; playing Deus Ex, Skyrim, and LoL doesn't help either.
Yeah, I feel that you need 3 months at the minimum. But to truly be the best I feel that you need to stay in korea most of the time, a lot like what Huk is doing. Talent + Hard work = success and Korea forces you to work hard (most of the time)
And yeah, to play other games fairly often is not something you can do if you rly wanna focus on getting good at sc2. Sure, you can play it occasionally but not on regular basis
On December 19 2011 03:09 raf3776 wrote: I dont see why people think 3 weeks isnt a long time. Thats kinda like saying if you skip 3 weeks of school or a sport youll be fine. plus 3 weeks everyday practice will do a lot
3 weeks in korea is nothing compared to how much Huk, Idra, Sase, Naniwa, ect. are training.
Also; playing Deus Ex, Skyrim, and LoL doesn't help either.
It is still a substantial amount of time for someone to spend in a country to practice. Other players have the financial backing and lack of responsibility (not in a bad way) to stay there for much longer.
As for the other games, other pros do this as well. Destiny just streams everything he does as a source of income. It helps to not get burnt out on starcraft. Besides, while he is in Korea it is highly unlikely he will play any other game.
On December 19 2011 03:18 nerfherder182 wrote: Honestly i think destiny is a hardcore casual player, i just dont see him getting any better then he is now. QQ
Thats just my opinion haha
Kinda harsh on him there. I think it takes about 3 years or more of constant playing RTS games such as Startcraft or Warcraft 3 to become a top player. As far as i know he has a backround in nether, so 1 year in SC2 and he is making good progress as far as i can tell
On December 19 2011 03:09 raf3776 wrote: I dont see why people think 3 weeks isnt a long time. Thats kinda like saying if you skip 3 weeks of school or a sport youll be fine. plus 3 weeks everyday practice will do a lot
really, it's all relative. sure 3 weeks will give some sort of a boost. but at an MLG, when he encounters a korean in the open bracket, he's gonna be going up against a guy who's been in that rigorous practice environment for months, if not years (if ex-bw player). 3 weeks ain't shit in that kind of scenario.
On December 19 2011 03:18 nerfherder182 wrote: Honestly i think destiny is a hardcore casual player, i just dont see him getting any better then he is now. QQ
Thats just my opinion haha
Kinda harsh on him there. I think it takes about 3 years or more of constant playing RTS games such as Startcraft or Warcraft 3 to become a top player. As far as i know he has a backround in nether, so 1 year in SC2 and he is making good progress as far as i can tell
The only thing you need to be good is the motivation and practice resources. The only thing you need to be a top player is what I said above and to enjoy the game.
Destiny loves this game, and he is motivated to get better. Korea will do very well for him.
I wonder if Destiny would be able to afford staying in Korea for more than 3 weeks. If Idra and Huk's stream numbers can be extrapolated on, Destiny will lose about 50% of his viewers when he streams during Korea time.
I wonder if Destiny is a little frustrated with the fact that he lives off streaming. While he may well feel differently, if I was in his position, I would want to considered a player first. And he's said himself his goal is to improve. Living in Korea for a substantial period of time would be the best way to do that, but perhaps impossible with a child to support.
On December 19 2011 05:22 -_- wrote: I wonder if Destiny would be able to afford staying in Korea for more than 3 weeks. If Idra and Huk's stream numbers can be extrapolated on, Destiny will lose about 50% of his viewers when he streams during Korea time.
I wonder if Destiny is a little frustrated with the fact that he lives off streaming. While he may well feel differently, if I was in his position, I would want to considered a player first. And he's said himself his goal is to improve. Living in Korea for a substantial period of time would be the best way to do that, but perhaps impossible with a child to support.
Sure he'd like to be considered a player, but playing SC2 is his job... he supports himself off of it. You can think of his trip to Korea as a company sending its employee to some sort of job/skill training course. He's going to Korea for a month or so; he won't' become a top player because of it, but he will for sure improve even a little bit, but most importantly than the skill improvement, he will: a) have a lot of valuable experiences that he can share / communicate with his fanbase, which will keep them happy and probably attract new fans (this will directly contribute to him making more money when he streams after he returns), b) learn better practice routines, methods that he can take home with him that will allow him to improve as a player more when he gets back.
So yes, while for 3 weeks or 1 month he might lose out on some money due to not being able to stream at good times, the experience, increase in skill, and lessons he will learn in Korea will more than make up for it I'm sure.
On December 19 2011 03:18 nerfherder182 wrote: Honestly i think destiny is a hardcore casual player, i just dont see him getting any better then he is now. QQ
Thats just my opinion haha
Kinda harsh on him there. I think it takes about 3 years or more of constant playing RTS games such as Startcraft or Warcraft 3 to become a top player. As far as i know he has a backround in nether, so 1 year in SC2 and he is making good progress as far as i can tell
he had played bw, no idea what rank though
i think he said he played bw for fun and achieved highest B rank but didn't maintain it
Xeris care to give us your thoughts on if this is worth it for Quantic to be sending destiny to korea for three weeks? Which much like desrow's case, of course i agree with you and think this will only help destiny out not hurt him.
I always find it confusing when players who are not at the very top of their server go to korea. Players like demuslim, i could definatly see benifiting from going to korea as the people they play on this server are not even good practice, but i feel like destiny will just get crushed and could get equally good practice if he didn't stream all the time and focused hard on practice in the US with members of his new team. I dont think it will hurt his play and it may be a fun trip but he's like a zergling attacking into some battle cruisers.
On December 19 2011 06:40 sackoftrout wrote: I always find it confusing when players who are not at the very top of their server go to korea. Players like demuslim, i could definatly see benifiting from going to korea as the people they play on this server are not even good practice, but i feel like destiny will just get crushed and could get equally good practice if he didn't stream all the time and focused hard on practice in the US with members of his new team. I dont think it will hurt his play and it may be a fun trip but he's like a zergling attacking into some battle cruisers.
To learn. Korea will not instantly make you a better player, but he will undoubtedly learn a lot that he can then use to help perfect his game. And who gives a shit if he's not top tier. It's really rude to say he shouldn't go over there. He is entitled to learn just as much as anyone else. Stop complaining and be happy.
Im not complaining or saying he shouldn't go i just think if he really wanted to learn he would stream less and hardcore practice more. This seems more like a holiday for him, not a business trip.
On December 19 2011 06:40 sackoftrout wrote: I always find it confusing when players who are not at the very top of their server go to korea. Players like demuslim, i could definatly see benifiting from going to korea as the people they play on this server are not even good practice, but i feel like destiny will just get crushed and could get equally good practice if he didn't stream all the time and focused hard on practice in the US with members of his new team. I dont think it will hurt his play and it may be a fun trip but he's like a zergling attacking into some battle cruisers.
Though he hasn't been in GM every season, Destiny's been ranked #1 or #2 pretty consistently in his master league divisions, which puts him among the top 400 or so players on the NA server. I think it would be hard to argue that anyone in that range wouldn't benefit from focused practice in Korea.
I doubt it will be focused practice though he says he will be streaming the whole time and unless your are top na grandmaster then your still RELITIVELY pretty bad, any old guy can get into na gm. I play gm eu players all the time and a lot of them are very very shit.
On December 19 2011 06:40 sackoftrout wrote: I always find it confusing when players who are not at the very top of their server go to korea. Players like demuslim, i could definatly see benifiting from going to korea as the people they play on this server are not even good practice, but i feel like destiny will just get crushed and could get equally good practice if he didn't stream all the time and focused hard on practice in the US with members of his new team. I dont think it will hurt his play and it may be a fun trip but he's like a zergling attacking into some battle cruisers.
well just going to korea, maybe not, but even still there is value
hwoever staying in a pro teamhouse is a different level then just goin to korea. Not only will he have Korean ladder, he will make a ton of contacts, and hopefully find top notce partice partners, also be exposed to the training system of the best.
Further the contact he makes there will even enhance his stream as I can see his #'s going up after he comes back during a practice session with julyzerg or any ST player (and players for other teams he will meet)
When is he going? Is he already there? Because I seen him stream a lot of LoL lately, which is a complete waste of time if he was already in Korea. It would be like going to Manchester United training camp but playing basketball during that time.
On December 19 2011 19:57 -Archangel- wrote: When is he going? Is he already there? Because I seen him stream a lot of LoL lately, which is a complete waste of time if he was already in Korea. It would be like going to Manchester United training camp but playing basketball during that time.
Dude FRUITDEALER plays LoL, Destiny should forget about SC2 and just play LoL with FruitDealer.
On December 19 2011 19:57 -Archangel- wrote: When is he going? Is he already there? Because I seen him stream a lot of LoL lately, which is a complete waste of time if he was already in Korea. It would be like going to Manchester United training camp but playing basketball during that time.
On December 19 2011 19:57 -Archangel- wrote: When is he going? Is he already there? Because I seen him stream a lot of LoL lately, which is a complete waste of time if he was already in Korea. It would be like going to Manchester United training camp but playing basketball during that time.
Dude FRUITDEALER plays LoL, Destiny should forget about SC2 and just play LoL with FruitDealer.
alone to think of it is disgusting. plz go away with LoL in all that other shit. there is only one game.
On December 19 2011 19:57 -Archangel- wrote: When is he going? Is he already there? Because I seen him stream a lot of LoL lately, which is a complete waste of time if he was already in Korea. It would be like going to Manchester United training camp but playing basketball during that time.
On December 19 2011 19:57 -Archangel- wrote: When is he going? Is he already there? Because I seen him stream a lot of LoL lately, which is a complete waste of time if he was already in Korea. It would be like going to Manchester United training camp but playing basketball during that time.
no, it's like playing playmobil.
Well, it's like playing basketball
These are both ball games, like starcraft and LoL are both computer games.
On December 19 2011 19:57 -Archangel- wrote: When is he going? Is he already there? Because I seen him stream a lot of LoL lately, which is a complete waste of time if he was already in Korea. It would be like going to Manchester United training camp but playing basketball during that time.
Dude FRUITDEALER plays LoL, Destiny should forget about SC2 and just play LoL with FruitDealer.
alone to think of it is disgusting. plz go away with LoL in all that other shit. there is only one game.
On December 19 2011 19:57 -Archangel- wrote: When is he going? Is he already there? Because I seen him stream a lot of LoL lately, which is a complete waste of time if he was already in Korea. It would be like going to Manchester United training camp but playing basketball during that time.
Dude FRUITDEALER plays LoL, Destiny should forget about SC2 and just play LoL with FruitDealer.
alone to think of it is disgusting. plz go away with LoL in all that other shit. there is only one game.
e:typo
Just how developed is your neckbeard exactly?
xD
i don't mind if LoL player playing LoL, like i don't mind if kids playing playmobil.
But if destiny is playing LoL too much, or even switch compleatly - i gotta puke.
On December 26 2011 06:59 Nick.TNA wrote: So Destiny is streaming from Korea now. Did he literally just arrive? Anyone know? :D Grats Destiny, do work!
On December 26 2011 07:28 Slardar wrote: Training has seem to be paying dividends. He has coach Naniwer and hes holding his own over there. Impressive!
If by holding his own you mean losing in about 3 minutes when he was sent out in IPL Team Arena....then yeah.....I agree.
I hope Destiny's doing well and learning tons in Korea. Last I heard was that he got kinda trounced in a tournament, but I was happy to hear that the IM coach allowed him to play
Yes that was the joke from HSC3 , I will forever call him Naniwer. Don't worry I'm not trying to make fun of him or anything, I've been his fan for awhile since Warcraft3.
As for Destiny losing to a double bunker rush... well that happens on Shakuras, just watching him you can tell how quicker he is.