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On December 03 2011 02:20 Zzoram wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 02:16 Quakie wrote:
The team atmosphere is very comfortable to me. When I was in Starcraft 1, my life centered around practice all the time with a tight practice schedule. But practicing in oGs team is definitely more relaxing. I guess I feel like being a human again?
Gotta say, sounds like living in a BW-prohouse is a stressful experience. This is something many others have said as well.
Thanks for translating!
Edit: Stokes17: He has been playing since january. It's also more proof that Starcraft 2 Koreans aren't training as hard as their Broodwar counterparts. That's why the Broodwar players do well when they switch, they still have Broodwar work ethic and training strategy which produces better results than casual practice.
Well, most SC2 players will still put 8-10 hours in a day, some 12 if they feel like it. But they are not forced to play 12-14 hours every day like under Kespa, that's the difference.
Kespa style training is overdoing it, it's just that foreigners (and a few korean SC2 players) have always been way underdoing it.
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Cool interview. I hope fOrGG does well hes such a good player.
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JookTo as one of the best players?
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This was a very enlightening interview. Hopefully this quells a lot of the questions raised in the 'Elephant' thread.
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Speedy guy. 0 to Code S in a few months. I wonder if he will end up like some of the other ex-Broodwar pros, who never manage to recapture their glory, or if he will truly reach his goal of Code S champion.
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On December 03 2011 06:56 AnachronisticAnarchy wrote:
Speedy guy. 0 to Code S in a few months. I wonder if he will end up like some of the other ex-Broodwar pros, who never manage to recapture their glory, or if he will truly reach his goal of Code S champion.
you mean ex-bw washed up old pros. there is a tremendous difference between competitive bw pros and washed up ones who can't recapture their former glory in bw, and are in fact much further away from that glory due to increasing level of competition in bw.
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On December 03 2011 03:20 SarcasmMonster wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 02:49 Rostam wrote:On December 03 2011 02:33 SarcasmMonster wrote:On December 03 2011 02:29 NipponBanzai wrote:On December 03 2011 02:19 yoonstar91 wrote:On December 03 2011 02:15 HolydaKing wrote:On December 03 2011 02:13 SarcasmMonster wrote:
SC2 Terran is more complicated than SC1 Terran. Well said.
Thanks for the translation. I read it as bionic being more complicated than in SC1. Anyway, thanks for the interview! Was waiting for this. I think it really depends on the way you read. I think he's saying that Bionic is also more difficult to use. Therefore terran overall is more difficult in sc2. =) i think.. hehe Thanks though. I appreciate your comment! Thanks for reading guys! Considering how hard bw was in general, I find this a little hard to believe haha. Maybe it's different for a top-level pro. BW Terran is mechanically harder than SC2 Terran. But the Terran race was simpler in BW (for better or for worse). Difficulty and simplicity are two different things. How? BW Terran mechanically harder: only one building selected at a time, no auto-mine rally point, only 12 units per control group SC2 Terran more complex: more viable bio variety and viability (in BW, bio is viable only in TvZ excluding cheese and your composition is mostly marine, medic and sometimes a firebat), tons more openers in SC2 (2-rax, banshee w/ or wo/ cloak, reactor hellion, blue-flame hellion, 1-rax expand, cc-first, siege-expand, fast medivac drops, marine-tank push, hellion-marauder push, 1-1-1, 2-port banshee, 3-rax stim timing, iEchoic, ghost-rush, bunker rush, Boxer's reaper rush, etc), the addon-system and addon-swapping in SC2 adds complexity to build optimization and timing. In general, SC2 Terran units are more viable in most matchups than in BW and that adds complexity.
You people are reading to much in to this . ForGG just sucked with micro in BW compared to other top terrans . He was known for making a shit ton of units and throwing them all away , but he still kept winning do to his oov and flash like macro . Microing marine and medics in BW was the hardest micro and he was bad at it . In SC2 you pretty much have to be good with bio in order to survive and thats why he is struggling with it and will prefer mech in TvT and probably in TvZ also . He is still pretty good at bio control compared to other mechanicly weaker pros in SC2 and unlimited unit selection is helping him a lot so there is no need to worry .
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On December 03 2011 06:04 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 02:20 Zzoram wrote:On December 03 2011 02:16 Quakie wrote:
The team atmosphere is very comfortable to me. When I was in Starcraft 1, my life centered around practice all the time with a tight practice schedule. But practicing in oGs team is definitely more relaxing. I guess I feel like being a human again?
Gotta say, sounds like living in a BW-prohouse is a stressful experience. This is something many others have said as well.
Thanks for translating!
Edit: Stokes17: He has been playing since january. It's also more proof that Starcraft 2 Koreans aren't training as hard as their Broodwar counterparts. That's why the Broodwar players do well when they switch, they still have Broodwar work ethic and training strategy which produces better results than casual practice. Well, most SC2 players will still put 8-10 hours in a day, some 12 if they feel like it. But they are not forced to play 12-14 hours every day like under Kespa, that's the difference. Kespa style training is overdoing it, it's just that foreigners (and a few korean SC2 players) have always been way underdoing it.
No one in bw is forced to train more than 8 hours a day. The players do it on their own time because it's not enough.
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go fOrGG  I'm allowed to like him since he's not on KT ;P
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He see's Jookto as a top player.... what?
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I predict ForGG is gonna skyrocket through code S.
He's got naturally good macro mechanics in SC1 and adapting pretty well to SC2, still not the sharpest knife in the kitchen today, but it will only get sharper with time unless he decides to recapture his slump 
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would love to see a MVP vs Never match-up
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Thanks!
oh man, idk who to want to win, him or july
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What an amazing translation yoonstar91.
I love this community so much haha.
Very interesting answers by fOrGG.
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awesome translation!
seems like a great guy and a great competitor, looking forward to see what he's able to do in SC2!
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On December 03 2011 02:19 yoonstar91 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 02:15 HolydaKing wrote:On December 03 2011 02:13 SarcasmMonster wrote:
SC2 Terran is more complicated than SC1 Terran. Well said.
Thanks for the translation. I read it as bionic being more complicated than in SC1. Anyway, thanks for the interview! Was waiting for this. I think it really depends on the way you read. I think he's saying that Bionic is also more difficult to use. Therefore terran overall is more difficult in sc2. =) i think.. hehe Thanks though. I appreciate your comment! Thanks for reading guys!
I read it as, "in starcraft 2 you also have to be able to use bionic well so its gotten more complicated". Basically inferring that in starcraft 1 it was more mech oriented and you didnt have to use bio as much. He says its more complicated, not harder.
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On December 03 2011 06:04 Woony wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 02:20 Zzoram wrote:On December 03 2011 02:16 Quakie wrote:
The team atmosphere is very comfortable to me. When I was in Starcraft 1, my life centered around practice all the time with a tight practice schedule. But practicing in oGs team is definitely more relaxing. I guess I feel like being a human again?
Gotta say, sounds like living in a BW-prohouse is a stressful experience. This is something many others have said as well.
Thanks for translating!
Edit: Stokes17: He has been playing since january. It's also more proof that Starcraft 2 Koreans aren't training as hard as their Broodwar counterparts. That's why the Broodwar players do well when they switch, they still have Broodwar work ethic and training strategy which produces better results than casual practice. Well, most SC2 players will still put 8-10 hours in a day, some 12 if they feel like it. But they are not forced to play 12-14 hours every day like under Kespa, that's the difference. Kespa style training is overdoing it, it's just that foreigners (and a few korean SC2 players) have always been way underdoing it.
Stop spreading lies.
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Yeah I was a bit surprised too when I see no fangirl showed up for his debut match. Also this makes me think that there isn't many BW pro's who's seriously playing SC2.
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On December 03 2011 03:12 JinDesu wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2011 02:57 kYem wrote:
legitimately for 2 months after returning to Starcraft 2
oh please well known fact that he is playing it for around 8 months or so practicing legitimately for 2 months after returning to Starcraft 2I like how you leave out a pretty key word.
Mass laddering/custom games is practice wtf.... if you talking about team house, you realise that 80% of sc2 pros in eu/na dont have legitimate practice ? even though he played thousands games, in interview it's sound as he played for a few months and suddenly he is super good.
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