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Interview with fOrGG "The Conquerer" - Page 5

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bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
December 02 2011 19:12 GMT
#81
On December 03 2011 04:00 wanghis wrote:
he doesn't realize he's the reason that hiya no longer considers playing sc2?

no?
Stork[gm]
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
December 02 2011 19:16 GMT
#82
On December 03 2011 03:33 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 03:30 1Eris1 wrote:
On December 03 2011 03:20 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On December 03 2011 02:49 Rostam wrote:
On December 03 2011 02:33 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On December 03 2011 02:29 NipponBanzai wrote:
On December 03 2011 02:19 yoonstar91 wrote:
On December 03 2011 02:15 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 03 2011 02:13 SarcasmMonster wrote:
SC2 Terran is more complicated than SC1 Terran. Well said.

Thanks for the translation.

I read it as bionic being more complicated than in SC1.

Anyway, thanks for the interview! Was waiting for this.


I think it really depends on the way you read. I think he's saying that Bionic is also more difficult to use. Therefore terran overall is more difficult in sc2. =) i think.. hehe

Thanks though. I appreciate your comment!

Thanks for reading guys!


Considering how hard bw was in general, I find this a little hard to believe haha. Maybe it's different for a top-level pro.


BW Terran is mechanically harder than SC2 Terran. But the Terran race was simpler in BW (for better or for worse). Difficulty and simplicity are two different things.


How?


BW Terran mechanically harder: only one building selected at a time, no auto-mine rally point, only 12 units per control group

SC2 Terran more complex: more viable bio variety and viability (in BW, bio is viable only in TvZ excluding cheese and your composition is mostly marine, medic and sometimes a firebat), tons more openers in SC2 (2-rax, banshee w/ or wo/ cloak, reactor hellion, blue-flame hellion, 1-rax expand, cc-first, siege-expand, fast medivac drops, marine-tank push, hellion-marauder push, 1-1-1, 2-port banshee, 3-rax stim timing, iEchoic, ghost-rush, bunker rush, Boxer's reaper rush, etc), the addon-system and addon-swapping in SC2 adds complexity to build optimization and timing. In general, SC2 Terran units are more viable in most matchups than in BW and that adds complexity.



Bio is not the only viable TvZ build in BW, it's just the most effective. Besides nearly every bio ends up transitioning into some kind of mech bio/mech. There are however a few players that do poorly with bio, so they actually make do with straight mech sometimes. (looking at you fantasy!)


I meant that out of the 3 Terran matchups, bio is only viable in TvZ excluding cheese.


Hiya says otherwise


jaedong imba
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
December 02 2011 19:16 GMT
#83
lol JookTo as the best player on oGs...
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
SoJu.WeRRa
Profile Joined June 2010
Korea (South)820 Posts
December 02 2011 19:17 GMT
#84
Great interview! Hope to see forGG at the top of big tournaments!
나를 찢어갈겨이씨발놈아왜나를미치게만들어니가뭘아는데?
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
December 02 2011 19:19 GMT
#85
On December 03 2011 04:16 slappy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 03 2011 03:33 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On December 03 2011 03:30 1Eris1 wrote:
On December 03 2011 03:20 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On December 03 2011 02:49 Rostam wrote:
On December 03 2011 02:33 SarcasmMonster wrote:
On December 03 2011 02:29 NipponBanzai wrote:
On December 03 2011 02:19 yoonstar91 wrote:
On December 03 2011 02:15 HolydaKing wrote:
On December 03 2011 02:13 SarcasmMonster wrote:
SC2 Terran is more complicated than SC1 Terran. Well said.

Thanks for the translation.

I read it as bionic being more complicated than in SC1.

Anyway, thanks for the interview! Was waiting for this.


I think it really depends on the way you read. I think he's saying that Bionic is also more difficult to use. Therefore terran overall is more difficult in sc2. =) i think.. hehe

Thanks though. I appreciate your comment!

Thanks for reading guys!


Considering how hard bw was in general, I find this a little hard to believe haha. Maybe it's different for a top-level pro.


BW Terran is mechanically harder than SC2 Terran. But the Terran race was simpler in BW (for better or for worse). Difficulty and simplicity are two different things.


How?


BW Terran mechanically harder: only one building selected at a time, no auto-mine rally point, only 12 units per control group

SC2 Terran more complex: more viable bio variety and viability (in BW, bio is viable only in TvZ excluding cheese and your composition is mostly marine, medic and sometimes a firebat), tons more openers in SC2 (2-rax, banshee w/ or wo/ cloak, reactor hellion, blue-flame hellion, 1-rax expand, cc-first, siege-expand, fast medivac drops, marine-tank push, hellion-marauder push, 1-1-1, 2-port banshee, 3-rax stim timing, iEchoic, ghost-rush, bunker rush, Boxer's reaper rush, etc), the addon-system and addon-swapping in SC2 adds complexity to build optimization and timing. In general, SC2 Terran units are more viable in most matchups than in BW and that adds complexity.



Bio is not the only viable TvZ build in BW, it's just the most effective. Besides nearly every bio ends up transitioning into some kind of mech bio/mech. There are however a few players that do poorly with bio, so they actually make do with straight mech sometimes. (looking at you fantasy!)


I meant that out of the 3 Terran matchups, bio is only viable in TvZ excluding cheese.


Hiya says otherwise
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4hzYeSmXy0


A very specific counter to a certain timing of a carrier rush. Both you and I know it's not viable as an option in a straight up standard macro game. It's either for a timing attack midgame preferably after 1 Rax FE or as a response to a really fast tech rush to carriers.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 02 2011 19:20 GMT
#86
I've been a fan of fOrGG ever since I saw him in the ESV Weeklies. Glad to see he's in a very positive state of mind about Starcraft 2 professionally!

fOrGG has the change to pull off the Royal Road if he tries hard enough!!
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
December 02 2011 19:21 GMT
#87
Yes yes yes I know, I just had to throw that out there for some Hiya love <3
We all know why terran don't dare go bio against protoss normally (Tempest vs Light mangoon) lol
jaedong imba
lizzard_warish
Profile Joined June 2011
589 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-02 19:24:57
December 02 2011 19:21 GMT
#88
Wow FORGG has lost a ton of weight since he retired from bw. That or the different clothing, angles etc just make him look thinner. Before he had a strong chin and such, now with the lost weight he actually looks a little anemic. Hope he does well, I think he'll become a top top player in a very short time. I was always a fan of him in bw too .
Moa
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States790 Posts
December 02 2011 19:21 GMT
#89
I want the fOrGG and Jinro show.
^O^
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10746 Posts
December 02 2011 19:23 GMT
#90
Thanks for the translation~ fOrGG just looks so cool! I think he will be a GSL winner in no time~ fOrGG Fighting! Thanks~
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
VPCursed
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
1044 Posts
December 02 2011 19:25 GMT
#91
he hasnt been playing for 2 months legitimately... that guy has had 2 accounts in gm for the past 7 months or so..
Talack
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada2742 Posts
December 02 2011 19:27 GMT
#92
On December 03 2011 04:25 VPCursed wrote:
he hasnt been playing for 2 months legitimately... that guy has had 2 accounts in gm for the past 7 months or so..


I think he means practicing with the intention of competing rather than just playing the game. Although him just "playing the game" is probably still a good 6+ hours a day of practicing his actual training was probably considerably more intense. Even with his BW background there is still a ton of stuff to learn about sc2 and no matter how similar/good your experiance in a previous game was you still need to put in alot of time to learn about a new game.
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
December 02 2011 19:31 GMT
#93
Great interview. Thanks.

Strange that he sounds like he still has a lot to learn, despite his success on the ladder and his very polished play.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
December 02 2011 19:35 GMT
#94

What’s the overall difference between the two games?

Starcraft 1 tends to have a lot of different types of diversion plays one can do. Such is not the case with Starcraft 2. I feel that Starcraft 2 is more battle based. Therefore if one loses in a big battle, it’s really hard to recover.

Aha, he also sees the whole giant battle to decide it all syndrome that SC2 has.
When SC2 came for BW, I cried. Now LoL/Dota2 comes for SC2, and I laugh. \o/
VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3620 Posts
December 02 2011 19:38 GMT
#95
Hey it's fOrGG.

I've been a fan for a while - when I was in Korea once of the matches I was at was an MSL game (back in 2009) where he beat Much with a bio timing attack.
#4427 || I am not going to scan a ferret.
ReketSomething
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6012 Posts
December 02 2011 19:40 GMT
#96
I hope he destroys everyone and shows people the power of a MSL champ.
Jaedong :3
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-02 19:43:42
December 02 2011 19:43 GMT
#97
On December 03 2011 04:06 Holgerius wrote:
I'm still supporting you Frogg! ^__^

Me too, you still have carry-over fans ForGG :D

On December 03 2011 04:40 ReketSomething wrote:
I hope he destroys everyone and shows people the power of a MSL champ.

And this too
May the BeSt man win.
wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
December 02 2011 19:44 GMT
#98
Interesting that such a distinction was made about legitimate practice for the past 2 months and his practice before it.

I guess it's a true testament to how much value Koreans place in the team house model of improvement.
Gameplay > Personality
Rammstorm
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1434 Posts
December 02 2011 19:50 GMT
#99
[..]fOrGG who has been practicing legitimately for 2 months after returning to Starcraft 2[...]


and,
[...]He beat (P)(P)Sage(NSHoseo) 2:0 and also beat the Super Tournament Winner, (T)(T)Polt (TSL), 2:0 and was continuing his dominance. Now fOrGG just has to beat (Z)July (Startale), “the God of War,” in the Round 3 to guarantee his spot at the Code S.[...]


I see an elephant stampede incoming?!,
"MC" -> Master of Ceremonies xD
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
December 02 2011 19:50 GMT
#100
2 months legit play, dismantles Sage and Polt. This guy is something and don't be surprised if he wins a GSL in a few months.
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
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