[D] Fundamental problems with Terran - Page 35

On December 02 2011 09:11 kofman wrote:
What really gets on my nerves is that poeple used to (and occasionally still do) call Terran the "ez race", when it is just the opposite. You have to be aggresive as Terran; the ball is in your court. I'm not saying that Protoss and Zerg are ez, but calling Terran the "amove race" is just plain ignorant because Terran is the most micro-intensive.

On December 02 2011 08:42 vaderseven wrote:
Terran has the hardest execution and the easiest decision making. Execution is where skill ceiling arises from.

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On December 02 2011 09:29 Kharnage wrote:
Ahh, terran tears, they taste so sweet.

Terran have advantages and disadvantges the same as every other race. Marines are suuuuper good until splash damage is on the field. Vikings very good at taking out the protoss super unit, and if it comes down to HT vs ghost i'd give ghost the edge. (range, speed, hp, healing from medivac, all add up to a slightly better unit)

the "spotter" obs thing is funny. if protoss is doing their job properly they have an obs to spot the terran army. if terran is doing their job properly they are scanning and killing obs. In fact, why not get yourself a raven. You've got the vikings to kill the colossus and a well timed PDD is worth it's weight in gold vs stalkers and omg the obs magically melt if you do that. And please don't insult me by saying "zomg they too expensive". If protoss have HT and colossus and a deahtball terran can get a damn raven.

But it basically comes down to this:
if all things are equal splitting and positioning your army is key for both sides.
A move protoss die fast to vikings / emp / stim.
A move terran die fast to storms / colossus / zealot.
It comes down to who is playing best that game. And yes, GAME, not engagement. Better ups or significantly stronger economy with production to back it will mean a win for either side as much as "but i did a perfect split!".
3/3 beats 0/0 for either side.

On December 02 2011 10:38 eSuBuildings wrote:
/not reading all posts in this thread so not sure if stated or not.

Mules should have a cool down.

On December 02 2011 10:55 jinixxx123 wrote:



cap those chronoboosts so i dont have to face 3/3 armies with my 1/1 and disallow macro hatches for queen injects and then we have a deal !

On December 02 2011 11:04 RavenLoud wrote:

Take it to bnet please.

On December 02 2011 11:12 kofman wrote:

Same goes for you.

On December 02 2011 09:14 Tazerenix wrote:

TBH calling any race the "ez race" or "amove race" is pretty ignorant. All 3 races require pretty damn high levels of micro and macro to be efficient at a solid level.

The thing that gets me about terran is the effectiveness of their early pushes. After about ~8 minutes it all evens out but it's really frustrating losing to those early 2 rax pushes off a 1 Gate FE. Perhaps thats just me being bad but I find the cost effectiveness of the MM composition in the early game right before your transitioning to the mid-game to be brutal.

On December 02 2011 10:02 Fig wrote:
This thread is looking from the wrong perspective. It's not a problem that Terran units are all very microable. The problem is that many toss and zerg units are NOT. Unfortunately this is because Blizzard seems intent on removing some micro from the game. One example of this is when they hugely nerfed the charged damage on voidrays, severely reducing the incentive to micro them carefully. The void ray used to be the perfect example of a unit that is like what terrans have. On the weak side without micro, and on the strong side when micro is applied. Blizzard noobified it to be better without micro, and worse with micro. Is this type of change really what terrans want for their own units? I don't think so. I know that for me, the void ray went from being my favorite unit to my second least favorite overnight. Well, maybe not overnight. The removal of fazing was also sad to see, from the standpoint of someone who likes the micro potential of units.

What's my least favorite unit? The colossus. It used to require some micro when it had a high damage, high cooldown attack. Then Blizzard changed it to have lower damage, lower cooldown. This again reduced incentive to put apm into microing it. Everyone should want a game where each unit gets better if more micro is applied to control it. Right now only terrans have more of those units than the other races. Instead of making terran units more boring, what is needed is for units to increase in "microability" to make the game more interesting.

On December 02 2011 11:27 xUnSeEnx wrote:


Bingo, its not that terran is "too microable" its that Blizzard created 2 other races that require less micro abilities. For an example, look at top pro games in TvZ. If you really, really study the replays that come with it you will see the difference between a zerg's micro and a terran's micro in the midst of the battle. It takes an absorbent amount of skill to simply split you lings and blings. (Sarcasm for all the slow people in TL.)

Another example of TvP, a-move chargelots and do the same "simple-ish" split that zergs do with lings. 90% of the time there is actually little to no micro of chargelots in the battle. The only unit(s) that I ever see having to do some sort of micro is the colossus, (occassionally), Rofl at target firing with stalkers (man that is just too difficult), okay I give protoss they need to know how to use HT kinda, and FF from sentries (phew pressing the f key and rapid right clicking the mouse is hard). While terran, due to the design, split or die, make mass vikings and target fire the collossus while you are being torn up by mass chargelot and HT, and Oh yea snipe with your ghosts in the middle of the battle or the trade was ineffective and you lose. That is the problem.

Now a solution, builds similar to the TvZ in Broodwar, possibly approx. 9 min push every game until something is done?

On December 02 2011 12:22 Juanald wrote:


you just simply dont know or are ignoring how difficult it is to keep your zealots in front of your collossus how does that require less micro then terran bioball.

On December 02 2011 12:22 Juanald wrote:


you just simply dont know or are ignoring how difficult it is to keep your zealots in front of your collossus how does that require less micro then terran bioball.

On December 02 2011 12:42 Necrophantasia wrote:
As EZ mode Terran, I wouldn't expect you to understand when your entire MMMVG moves at the same damn speed.

On December 02 2011 12:46 kofman wrote:

marine move at 2.25 speed, medivacs move at 2.5 speed... plz actually play the game before you post.

On December 02 2011 09:28 Bagi wrote:

This is actually one of the better posts I've seen describing difficulties with terran.

Using TvZ as an example, its actually really easy to play safe, build up your army and know when to push out. Whats hard is simply executing a tank push without getting caught unsieged, microing individual groups of marines and tanks while still keeping up in macro, defending from mutalisks, dropping... Basically you probably know what you should be doing, but its so easy to get overwhelmed and so very hard to get the maximum efficiency from your micro-heavy units.