[MLG] Providence - Finale - Page 17

On November 29 2011 04:29 tree.hugger wrote:
This is really silly. And I mean really silly. I'm disappointed that people can't see the obvious nuances between being a hater and being a critic. I'm especially disappointed that people think that the TL writing staff has some kind of axe to grind against EG in our front page content. That's completely nonsense, being a fan of one team or an anti-fan of another is not a pre-requisite to being on the writing staff, and if you think so, you're actually just 100% factually incorrect.

On November 29 2011 02:10 Chill wrote:
Please have more neutral writeups in the future.

Games being played. Tournament being won. Fun being had.

On November 28 2011 22:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
We want TL to have opinion pieces in our news. However this does not mean that we want to use the term opinion piece as an excuse for posting content that probably should not have been posted. We're internally reviewing the article currently, mostly with regards to how we will do things in the future.

On November 28 2011 16:39 heyoka wrote:

Should Team Evil Geniuses Have Established a North American Team House?

I'll be honest guys, I'm really afraid of getting flamed for this, but it's something that's concerned me for long enough that I'm just going to say it. EG did badly, and I can't help but feel that the team house is not paying for itself. Of course when you go to EG's coverage of the event, they point to having "solid results overall," but in reality, it's only ever their golden three that do well. Thanks to Idra, Huk, and Puma, EG always manages good PR, but the results of their other players are starting to get down right disturbing: iNcontroL lost to State and Strifecro, StrifeCro lost to syckness and RuFF13, Lzgamer lost to Catz and exMaSter. Only Machine and Axslav's results are remotely explainable, with losses to Nestea, dde, Gatored, and Violet. Even with those two players though, losses to Gatored and dde when you live in a team house are hard to justify.

To be honest, if they want to justify having a team house, they need to work out a better system. While Puma and Idra seem to be practicing correctly, I can't shake the feeling that they would do well regardless of where they were living. EG needs to figure out what those two are doing right, and have everyone try to emulate it to avoid poor results. Having a team house in North America established a wonderful precedent, now they just need the results to match.

On November 29 2011 06:52 Redmark wrote:
Incontrol has now surpassed Totalbiscuit (of the past, he's calmed down some since) in being the most touchy and reactive community figure.

This is an opinion I have expressed many times, but I feel it needs to be said. Chill, man. It may seem like it, but a lot of people get attacked in this community. For fuck's sake, if Idra is handling himself better than you you're doing something wrong.

On November 29 2011 06:47 confusedcrib wrote:
I think the best way to go about this is just to clarify a few things about my beliefs.

• I think that having team houses in North America is awesome, and would love if every single team could afford one.
  
  
• The article was simply meant to question if having the team house was paying for itself in terms of player improvement, not if EG should close it's doors. I never once suggest that they should close it down, I'm only suggesting that they are not improving at a rate that the community expected, and they need to figure out why they are not improving.
  
  
• I was not questioning the players only on results, that would be stupid, someone like catz got knocked out by Nestea and MKP and obviously doesn't deserve to be scrutinized for his play. That being said, it wasn't just the results, it was the players who EG lost to that was concerning, they were all players with much less resources behind them.
  
  
• iNcontroL's responses are kind of weird, I have the feeling that we could have a civilized debate if I just talked to him. I can't help but feel that those posts were just a surge of emotional response and should probably be treated as such.
  

In all, I was just hoping to raise the point that EG's players are consistently under-performing from the expectations set by both the community and themselves since establishing a team house. EG's players have lost to other players with much less in the way of resources behind them. This begs the question, are the extra resources being allocated to EG's players paying off? We don't live in a fantasy world where the team houses are free, so what results should we expect? My wording was harsh, but that was very deliberate. EG is in a position where they need to figure out why they are not improving and they need to get it fixed, otherwise their huge investment into a team house, while good for the scene in general, doesn't really seem to be paying off.

I tend to agree with people though that this may not have been the best place for such criticism. It's just that the results of Providence are directly related to this criticism being valid, so it would be equally weird to put it anywhere else.

On a side note, I'm very sorry that I didn't mention you Illusion, when I was browsing the list of players that Slasher released you were on the Korean list so I mistakenly assumed that you were just someone from Korea I had never heard of. I later realized that you were apart of Vile during the tournament, but in the editing process I forgot to add you in to the piece about Spanishiwa, Gatored, and dde. I am truly sorry about that, and will be sure this mistake does not happen in the future.

P.S. I am actually a big fan of EG. I was watching iNcontroL yesterday apparently moments before he read this article I went to sleep, and I'm currently watching Huk. I've also written things in the past that many people have flamed for being excessively biased to both iNcontroL and Idra.

On November 28 2011 16:53 Sadistx wrote:
I'm sad that you guys didn't mention this guy, who, while not winning Providence, did at 15 years of age, come 24th in the most stacked MLG to date.

+ Show Spoiler +

Also, wtf, is this a joke?



None of these results are a surprise, except maybe Forbs breaking out. Everyone else who won was pretty much already the favorite, if you follow the scene semi-closely.

Do not agree at all. And most of them aren't just top ladder either, they are on sponsored teams too, so "rise of the nonames" is quite inappropriate.

On November 29 2011 02:23 iNcontroL wrote:


Yeah I read those too! I love reading about my life and how it actually is from people who have no idea!

LOL

On November 29 2011 06:47 confusedcrib wrote:
I think the best way to go about this is just to clarify a few things about my beliefs.

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[*] I think that having team houses in North America is awesome, and would love if every single team could afford one.

[*] The article was simply meant to question if having the team house was paying for itself in terms of player improvement, not if EG should close it's doors. I never once suggest that they should close it down, I'm only suggesting that they are not improving at a rate that the community expected, and they need to figure out why they are not improving.