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On November 23 2011 03:19 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 03:13 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 23 2011 03:09 aTnClouD wrote:On November 23 2011 02:55 SkeweredFromEarToEye wrote:
Female-only tournaments? Lawl. If women are all for equality, then how about they fucking prove that they're worth being treated as equals? We are not all born equals in this world. If you truly believe that, then you're delusional. There's a difference between "treating" someone as an equal, and actually being equal. In having female-only tournaments, you're basically conceding to the fact that females can't keep up with males within the context of a pro-gaming environment. Since over the time it has been proven that in esports female players are not able to compete with top male players why would you randomly throw in equality? From an objective point of view a girl achieving a result in esports is more worthy than a guy with the same result. I am pretty sure most female players agree on this and there's a reason 100% of the top players in SC2 are guys. Honestly having female tournaments only harms no one and makes esports more interesting, and if any random grandmaster guy is pissed they don't get the same attention as a diamond girl then they better work their ass off to get to a point where they deserve to be recognized rather than crying. Actually, I don't see HOW it's been proven that girls can't compete at the same level as guys. In fact, scientific study has proven that women are actually better at multitasking than men are, which is an essential skill in Starcraft. I think it comes down to the fact that there are no women that commit to the game as much as the professional men do. It doesn't necessarily help with teams signing reportedly Diamond level players like SlayerS Eve, or Julia to CheckSix. Women are separated out in physical sports like Golf, Tennis, Swimming, Soccer, etc. because the female body is not as athletic as the male body, however in a game like Starcraft or Chess, there's no handicap from being a female, it's just the lack of effort put in by the "professional" females compared to the professional males. Putting effort in competing is the essential ability to become a top player in esports. Having a talent for multitasking only helps in the way. Your argument makes no sense to me, especially since the numbers obviously state that there's no top female player it's obvious to assume that, for whatever reason, the genders are not equal when it comes to esports.
You know what they say about making assumptions....
As far as I'm aware, I haven't heard of ANY female SC2 player that dedicates 8-12 hours of play to hone their abilities. The fact that there aren't any top female players could also just be representative of the lack of females who dedicate themselves to the game full time. I could say that because there are no top tier Nigerian players there is obviously some physical handicap that makes Nigerian players unable to compete at the highest level, when in fact the problem is that Starcraft 2 isn't IN Nigeria. You said it yourself "Putting effort in competing is the essential ability to become a top player in esports" why should female gamers get to take the spotlight away from male players who ARE putting in that effort to compete, when the female isn't even close to the same level of dedication?
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On November 23 2011 03:19 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 03:13 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 23 2011 03:09 aTnClouD wrote:On November 23 2011 02:55 SkeweredFromEarToEye wrote:
Female-only tournaments? Lawl. If women are all for equality, then how about they fucking prove that they're worth being treated as equals? We are not all born equals in this world. If you truly believe that, then you're delusional. There's a difference between "treating" someone as an equal, and actually being equal. In having female-only tournaments, you're basically conceding to the fact that females can't keep up with males within the context of a pro-gaming environment. Since over the time it has been proven that in esports female players are not able to compete with top male players why would you randomly throw in equality? From an objective point of view a girl achieving a result in esports is more worthy than a guy with the same result. I am pretty sure most female players agree on this and there's a reason 100% of the top players in SC2 are guys. Honestly having female tournaments only harms no one and makes esports more interesting, and if any random grandmaster guy is pissed they don't get the same attention as a diamond girl then they better work their ass off to get to a point where they deserve to be recognized rather than crying. Actually, I don't see HOW it's been proven that girls can't compete at the same level as guys. In fact, scientific study has proven that women are actually better at multitasking than men are, which is an essential skill in Starcraft. I think it comes down to the fact that there are no women that commit to the game as much as the professional men do. It doesn't necessarily help with teams signing reportedly Diamond level players like SlayerS Eve, or Julia to CheckSix. Women are separated out in physical sports like Golf, Tennis, Swimming, Soccer, etc. because the female body is not as athletic as the male body, however in a game like Starcraft or Chess, there's no handicap from being a female, it's just the lack of effort put in by the "professional" females compared to the professional males. Putting effort in competing is the essential ability to become a top player in esports. Having a talent for multitasking only helps in the way. Your argument makes no sense to me, especially since the numbers obviously state that there's no top female player it's obvious to assume that, for whatever reason, the genders are not equal when it comes to esports.
Its more likely that there arent as many top female pro gamers bcause there are simply less female "hardcore" gamers.
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She's worse than me. I don't have her looks though.
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On November 23 2011 03:26 VirgilSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 03:19 aTnClouD wrote:On November 23 2011 03:13 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 23 2011 03:09 aTnClouD wrote:On November 23 2011 02:55 SkeweredFromEarToEye wrote:
Female-only tournaments? Lawl. If women are all for equality, then how about they fucking prove that they're worth being treated as equals? We are not all born equals in this world. If you truly believe that, then you're delusional. There's a difference between "treating" someone as an equal, and actually being equal. In having female-only tournaments, you're basically conceding to the fact that females can't keep up with males within the context of a pro-gaming environment. Since over the time it has been proven that in esports female players are not able to compete with top male players why would you randomly throw in equality? From an objective point of view a girl achieving a result in esports is more worthy than a guy with the same result. I am pretty sure most female players agree on this and there's a reason 100% of the top players in SC2 are guys. Honestly having female tournaments only harms no one and makes esports more interesting, and if any random grandmaster guy is pissed they don't get the same attention as a diamond girl then they better work their ass off to get to a point where they deserve to be recognized rather than crying. Actually, I don't see HOW it's been proven that girls can't compete at the same level as guys. In fact, scientific study has proven that women are actually better at multitasking than men are, which is an essential skill in Starcraft. I think it comes down to the fact that there are no women that commit to the game as much as the professional men do. It doesn't necessarily help with teams signing reportedly Diamond level players like SlayerS Eve, or Julia to CheckSix. Women are separated out in physical sports like Golf, Tennis, Swimming, Soccer, etc. because the female body is not as athletic as the male body, however in a game like Starcraft or Chess, there's no handicap from being a female, it's just the lack of effort put in by the "professional" females compared to the professional males. Putting effort in competing is the essential ability to become a top player in esports. Having a talent for multitasking only helps in the way. Your argument makes no sense to me, especially since the numbers obviously state that there's no top female player it's obvious to assume that, for whatever reason, the genders are not equal when it comes to esports. You know what they say about making assumptions.... As far as I'm aware, I haven't heard of ANY female SC2 player that dedicates 8-12 hours of play to hone their abilities. The fact that there aren't any top female players could also just be representative of the lack of females who dedicate themselves to the game full time. I could say that because there are no top tier Nigerian players there is obviously some physical handicap that makes Nigerian players unable to compete at the highest level, when in fact the problem is that Starcraft 2 isn't IN Nigeria. You said it yourself "Putting effort in competing is the essential ability to become a top player in esports" why should female gamers get to take the spotlight away from male players who ARE putting in that effort to compete, when the female isn't even close to the same level of dedication?
So you are basically saying I'm right since you even go as far as saying girls can't dedicate as much time so they are not able to achieve same results as males. I never said they have inferior intellectual capabilities I just said that, for whatever reason,esports is not gender equal, and if you look at the numbers it's pretty self explainatory. And honestly I've never ever met a girl stating the contrary. I just don't understand why so many people are pissed and bring in equality out of nowhere. Please explain.
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im sorry but why does a diamond player warrant an interview.
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Good interview about her first MLG etc.
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On November 23 2011 03:32 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 03:26 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 23 2011 03:19 aTnClouD wrote:On November 23 2011 03:13 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 23 2011 03:09 aTnClouD wrote:On November 23 2011 02:55 SkeweredFromEarToEye wrote:
Female-only tournaments? Lawl. If women are all for equality, then how about they fucking prove that they're worth being treated as equals? We are not all born equals in this world. If you truly believe that, then you're delusional. There's a difference between "treating" someone as an equal, and actually being equal. In having female-only tournaments, you're basically conceding to the fact that females can't keep up with males within the context of a pro-gaming environment. Since over the time it has been proven that in esports female players are not able to compete with top male players why would you randomly throw in equality? From an objective point of view a girl achieving a result in esports is more worthy than a guy with the same result. I am pretty sure most female players agree on this and there's a reason 100% of the top players in SC2 are guys. Honestly having female tournaments only harms no one and makes esports more interesting, and if any random grandmaster guy is pissed they don't get the same attention as a diamond girl then they better work their ass off to get to a point where they deserve to be recognized rather than crying. Actually, I don't see HOW it's been proven that girls can't compete at the same level as guys. In fact, scientific study has proven that women are actually better at multitasking than men are, which is an essential skill in Starcraft. I think it comes down to the fact that there are no women that commit to the game as much as the professional men do. It doesn't necessarily help with teams signing reportedly Diamond level players like SlayerS Eve, or Julia to CheckSix. Women are separated out in physical sports like Golf, Tennis, Swimming, Soccer, etc. because the female body is not as athletic as the male body, however in a game like Starcraft or Chess, there's no handicap from being a female, it's just the lack of effort put in by the "professional" females compared to the professional males. Putting effort in competing is the essential ability to become a top player in esports. Having a talent for multitasking only helps in the way. Your argument makes no sense to me, especially since the numbers obviously state that there's no top female player it's obvious to assume that, for whatever reason, the genders are not equal when it comes to esports. You know what they say about making assumptions.... As far as I'm aware, I haven't heard of ANY female SC2 player that dedicates 8-12 hours of play to hone their abilities. The fact that there aren't any top female players could also just be representative of the lack of females who dedicate themselves to the game full time. I could say that because there are no top tier Nigerian players there is obviously some physical handicap that makes Nigerian players unable to compete at the highest level, when in fact the problem is that Starcraft 2 isn't IN Nigeria. You said it yourself "Putting effort in competing is the essential ability to become a top player in esports" why should female gamers get to take the spotlight away from male players who ARE putting in that effort to compete, when the female isn't even close to the same level of dedication? So you are basically saying I'm right since you even go as far as saying girls can't dedicate as much time so they are not able to achieve same results as males. I never said they have inferior intellectual capabilities I just said that, for whatever reason,esports is not gender equal, and if you look at the numbers it's pretty self explainatory. And honestly I've never ever met a girl stating the contrary. I just don't understand why so many people are pissed and bring in equality out of nowhere. Please explain.
People don't like the idea of girls gaining popularity simply because they're girls without being good at Starcraft 2 when there are lots of guys out there who are struggling to be known. Read: HOW CUM SHEE FAYMUZ BUT NAWT MEEEEEE?!!!?
What they have forgotten is that those girls actually do work very hard to be the best gamers they can be and a lot of those guys aren't actually as great as they'd like to think.
I definitely agree that we need to actively support equality. Girl gamers are a rarity. There's nothing wrong with interviewers and tournaments actively looking for them. Especially if we're going to encourage other girls to pursue their dream of being a pro gamer.
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On November 23 2011 03:36 KoDo wrote:
im sorry but why does a diamond player warrant an interview.
Because she was a female gamer that had the remarkable fortune to be matched up against top Korean pro Losira. She became the first female starcraft player to play on mlgs main stage.
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not all sports need females in them. don't need to give them special treatment to get them involved (none of my favorite sports are bi-gender). if they can't hang, they can't hang. find a new hobby. this is just dumb.
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its hard to tell how skilled she is at the game when she gets trounced by a korean...lol
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On November 23 2011 03:26 VirgilSC2 wrote:
You know what they say about making assumptions....
As far as I'm aware, I haven't heard of ANY female SC2 player that dedicates 8-12 hours of play to hone their abilities. The fact that there aren't any top female players could also just be representative of the lack of females who dedicate themselves to the game full time. I could say that because there are no top tier Nigerian players there is obviously some physical handicap that makes Nigerian players unable to compete at the highest level, when in fact the problem is that Starcraft 2 isn't IN Nigeria. You said it yourself "Putting effort in competing is the essential ability to become a top player in esports" why should female gamers get to take the spotlight away from male players who ARE putting in that effort to compete, when the female isn't even close to the same level of dedication?
Because diversity is good, if there was more of it then this would be less of an issue. As it stands however communities need to have some way to promote a broader audience and a more diverse participant pool. Until girl gamers have a bigger representation in the community I don't see any real issue with giving them attention.
I can't really remark on the taking away the spotlight point because that seems like the most petty statement I've heard in quite a while. Are you implying that nobody, other than pros, should be ever be given recognition? This is such a terrible mindset to approach any community with. Dedication is important yes, but saying that only those who are absolutely the most dedicated should be the ones given any attention at all is stupid. You're stagnating growth by not providing exposure to a more diverse crowd. Following your logic, no tournament outside of the GSL should be paid any mind to since the Korean house practice structure is considered the most effective.
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On November 23 2011 03:41 KoDo wrote:
not all sports need females in them. don't need to give them special treatment to get them involved (none of my favorite sports are bi-gender). if they can't hang, they can't hang. find a new hobby. this is just dumb.
Ever heard of "barriers to entry?" It's not really just an economic term.
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While I don't particularly care about Julia; saying anything about females in SC2 based on a Diamond level open bracket player that was annihiliated by Losira is beyond ridiculous.
Want to see someone who can "hang"?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=285747
JongMi is going to beat everyone like a SC2 River Tam.
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On November 23 2011 03:32 aTnClouD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 03:26 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 23 2011 03:19 aTnClouD wrote:On November 23 2011 03:13 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 23 2011 03:09 aTnClouD wrote:On November 23 2011 02:55 SkeweredFromEarToEye wrote:
Female-only tournaments? Lawl. If women are all for equality, then how about they fucking prove that they're worth being treated as equals? We are not all born equals in this world. If you truly believe that, then you're delusional. There's a difference between "treating" someone as an equal, and actually being equal. In having female-only tournaments, you're basically conceding to the fact that females can't keep up with males within the context of a pro-gaming environment. Since over the time it has been proven that in esports female players are not able to compete with top male players why would you randomly throw in equality? From an objective point of view a girl achieving a result in esports is more worthy than a guy with the same result. I am pretty sure most female players agree on this and there's a reason 100% of the top players in SC2 are guys. Honestly having female tournaments only harms no one and makes esports more interesting, and if any random grandmaster guy is pissed they don't get the same attention as a diamond girl then they better work their ass off to get to a point where they deserve to be recognized rather than crying. Actually, I don't see HOW it's been proven that girls can't compete at the same level as guys. In fact, scientific study has proven that women are actually better at multitasking than men are, which is an essential skill in Starcraft. I think it comes down to the fact that there are no women that commit to the game as much as the professional men do. It doesn't necessarily help with teams signing reportedly Diamond level players like SlayerS Eve, or Julia to CheckSix. Women are separated out in physical sports like Golf, Tennis, Swimming, Soccer, etc. because the female body is not as athletic as the male body, however in a game like Starcraft or Chess, there's no handicap from being a female, it's just the lack of effort put in by the "professional" females compared to the professional males. Putting effort in competing is the essential ability to become a top player in esports. Having a talent for multitasking only helps in the way. Your argument makes no sense to me, especially since the numbers obviously state that there's no top female player it's obvious to assume that, for whatever reason, the genders are not equal when it comes to esports. You know what they say about making assumptions.... As far as I'm aware, I haven't heard of ANY female SC2 player that dedicates 8-12 hours of play to hone their abilities. The fact that there aren't any top female players could also just be representative of the lack of females who dedicate themselves to the game full time. I could say that because there are no top tier Nigerian players there is obviously some physical handicap that makes Nigerian players unable to compete at the highest level, when in fact the problem is that Starcraft 2 isn't IN Nigeria. You said it yourself "Putting effort in competing is the essential ability to become a top player in esports" why should female gamers get to take the spotlight away from male players who ARE putting in that effort to compete, when the female isn't even close to the same level of dedication? So you are basically saying I'm right since you even go as far as saying girls can't dedicate as much time so they are not able to achieve same results as males. I never said they have inferior intellectual capabilities I just said that, for whatever reason,esports is not gender equal, and if you look at the numbers it's pretty self explainatory. And honestly I've never ever met a girl stating the contrary. I just don't understand why so many people are pissed and bring in equality out of nowhere. Please explain.
He never said women can't dedicate themselves to gaming, just that they aren't. This doesn't mean they can not do it.
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On November 23 2011 03:39 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 03:32 aTnClouD wrote:On November 23 2011 03:26 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 23 2011 03:19 aTnClouD wrote:On November 23 2011 03:13 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 23 2011 03:09 aTnClouD wrote:On November 23 2011 02:55 SkeweredFromEarToEye wrote:
Female-only tournaments? Lawl. If women are all for equality, then how about they fucking prove that they're worth being treated as equals? We are not all born equals in this world. If you truly believe that, then you're delusional. There's a difference between "treating" someone as an equal, and actually being equal. In having female-only tournaments, you're basically conceding to the fact that females can't keep up with males within the context of a pro-gaming environment. Since over the time it has been proven that in esports female players are not able to compete with top male players why would you randomly throw in equality? From an objective point of view a girl achieving a result in esports is more worthy than a guy with the same result. I am pretty sure most female players agree on this and there's a reason 100% of the top players in SC2 are guys. Honestly having female tournaments only harms no one and makes esports more interesting, and if any random grandmaster guy is pissed they don't get the same attention as a diamond girl then they better work their ass off to get to a point where they deserve to be recognized rather than crying. Actually, I don't see HOW it's been proven that girls can't compete at the same level as guys. In fact, scientific study has proven that women are actually better at multitasking than men are, which is an essential skill in Starcraft. I think it comes down to the fact that there are no women that commit to the game as much as the professional men do. It doesn't necessarily help with teams signing reportedly Diamond level players like SlayerS Eve, or Julia to CheckSix. Women are separated out in physical sports like Golf, Tennis, Swimming, Soccer, etc. because the female body is not as athletic as the male body, however in a game like Starcraft or Chess, there's no handicap from being a female, it's just the lack of effort put in by the "professional" females compared to the professional males. Putting effort in competing is the essential ability to become a top player in esports. Having a talent for multitasking only helps in the way. Your argument makes no sense to me, especially since the numbers obviously state that there's no top female player it's obvious to assume that, for whatever reason, the genders are not equal when it comes to esports. You know what they say about making assumptions.... As far as I'm aware, I haven't heard of ANY female SC2 player that dedicates 8-12 hours of play to hone their abilities. The fact that there aren't any top female players could also just be representative of the lack of females who dedicate themselves to the game full time. I could say that because there are no top tier Nigerian players there is obviously some physical handicap that makes Nigerian players unable to compete at the highest level, when in fact the problem is that Starcraft 2 isn't IN Nigeria. You said it yourself "Putting effort in competing is the essential ability to become a top player in esports" why should female gamers get to take the spotlight away from male players who ARE putting in that effort to compete, when the female isn't even close to the same level of dedication? So you are basically saying I'm right since you even go as far as saying girls can't dedicate as much time so they are not able to achieve same results as males. I never said they have inferior intellectual capabilities I just said that, for whatever reason,esports is not gender equal, and if you look at the numbers it's pretty self explainatory. And honestly I've never ever met a girl stating the contrary. I just don't understand why so many people are pissed and bring in equality out of nowhere. Please explain. People don't like the idea of girls gaining popularity simply because they're girls without being good at Starcraft 2 when there are lots of guys out there who are struggling to be known. Read: HOW CUM SHEE FAYMUZ BUT NAWT MEEEEEE?!!!? What they have forgotten is that those girls actually do work very hard to be the best gamers they can be and a lot of those guys aren't actually as great as they'd like to think. I definitely agree that we need to actively support equality. Girl gamers are a rarity. There's nothing wrong with interviewers and tournaments actively looking for them. Especially if we're going to encourage other girls to pursue their dream of being a pro gamer.
Wait, what? Work very hard? All she does is play team games. There's plenty of M/GM players at that tournament who have worked their asses off to get to the level they're at in order to do their best to compete. Hell, for the "obligatory female interview", Flo would have been a better choice, at least she puts effort into it. Like a previous poster said, there is nothing regarding the gender that's keeping female gamers out, it's the lack of dedication to it. If they practiced like male gamers, they could perform like them.
The big thing that gets me is the "omfg you sexists" when it's called out that the only reason she's up there was because she WAS female, when it's the obvious truth. Are you content with relegating them as being lessers, and deserving of special attention?
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On November 23 2011 03:42 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 03:41 KoDo wrote:
not all sports need females in them. don't need to give them special treatment to get them involved (none of my favorite sports are bi-gender). if they can't hang, they can't hang. find a new hobby. this is just dumb. Ever heard of "barriers to entry?" It's not really just an economic term.
that has nothing to do with it. maybe you don't understand the concept. certain sports/games are built for certain people to be good at them. ie. football, is a guys sport. they don't bend over backwards to get females involved. maybe sc2 is a guys e-sport, maybe its not. either way, the 'barriers of entry' would be what??? a computer and internet? maybe reflexes that guys possess that girls dont? if thats the case, well then the game wasnt designed for them. dont need to accommodate them. the players who are of apt skill regardless of gender are who this 'pro scene' is for. not mediocre players.
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On November 23 2011 03:46 Longshank wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 03:32 aTnClouD wrote:On November 23 2011 03:26 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 23 2011 03:19 aTnClouD wrote:On November 23 2011 03:13 VirgilSC2 wrote:On November 23 2011 03:09 aTnClouD wrote:On November 23 2011 02:55 SkeweredFromEarToEye wrote:
Female-only tournaments? Lawl. If women are all for equality, then how about they fucking prove that they're worth being treated as equals? We are not all born equals in this world. If you truly believe that, then you're delusional. There's a difference between "treating" someone as an equal, and actually being equal. In having female-only tournaments, you're basically conceding to the fact that females can't keep up with males within the context of a pro-gaming environment. Since over the time it has been proven that in esports female players are not able to compete with top male players why would you randomly throw in equality? From an objective point of view a girl achieving a result in esports is more worthy than a guy with the same result. I am pretty sure most female players agree on this and there's a reason 100% of the top players in SC2 are guys. Honestly having female tournaments only harms no one and makes esports more interesting, and if any random grandmaster guy is pissed they don't get the same attention as a diamond girl then they better work their ass off to get to a point where they deserve to be recognized rather than crying. Actually, I don't see HOW it's been proven that girls can't compete at the same level as guys. In fact, scientific study has proven that women are actually better at multitasking than men are, which is an essential skill in Starcraft. I think it comes down to the fact that there are no women that commit to the game as much as the professional men do. It doesn't necessarily help with teams signing reportedly Diamond level players like SlayerS Eve, or Julia to CheckSix. Women are separated out in physical sports like Golf, Tennis, Swimming, Soccer, etc. because the female body is not as athletic as the male body, however in a game like Starcraft or Chess, there's no handicap from being a female, it's just the lack of effort put in by the "professional" females compared to the professional males. Putting effort in competing is the essential ability to become a top player in esports. Having a talent for multitasking only helps in the way. Your argument makes no sense to me, especially since the numbers obviously state that there's no top female player it's obvious to assume that, for whatever reason, the genders are not equal when it comes to esports. You know what they say about making assumptions.... As far as I'm aware, I haven't heard of ANY female SC2 player that dedicates 8-12 hours of play to hone their abilities. The fact that there aren't any top female players could also just be representative of the lack of females who dedicate themselves to the game full time. I could say that because there are no top tier Nigerian players there is obviously some physical handicap that makes Nigerian players unable to compete at the highest level, when in fact the problem is that Starcraft 2 isn't IN Nigeria. You said it yourself "Putting effort in competing is the essential ability to become a top player in esports" why should female gamers get to take the spotlight away from male players who ARE putting in that effort to compete, when the female isn't even close to the same level of dedication? So you are basically saying I'm right since you even go as far as saying girls can't dedicate as much time so they are not able to achieve same results as males. I never said they have inferior intellectual capabilities I just said that, for whatever reason,esports is not gender equal, and if you look at the numbers it's pretty self explainatory. And honestly I've never ever met a girl stating the contrary. I just don't understand why so many people are pissed and bring in equality out of nowhere. Please explain. He never said women can't dedicate themselves to gaming, just that they aren't. This doesn't mean they can not do it.
Thanks for the correction, doesn't make any difference.
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just diamond?!?! and she got on the main stage to play losira
MAJOR PROPS!!!!!!
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On November 23 2011 03:47 KoDo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 03:42 Klondikebar wrote:On November 23 2011 03:41 KoDo wrote:
not all sports need females in them. don't need to give them special treatment to get them involved (none of my favorite sports are bi-gender). if they can't hang, they can't hang. find a new hobby. this is just dumb. Ever heard of "barriers to entry?" It's not really just an economic term. that has nothing to do with it. maybe you don't understand the concept. certain sports/games are built for certain people to be good at them. ie. football, is a guys sport. they don't bend over backwards to get females involved. maybe sc2 is a guys e-sport, maybe its not. either way, the 'barriers of entry' would be what??? a computer and internet? maybe reflexes that guys possess that girls dont? if thats the case, well then the game wasnt designed for them. dont need to accommodate them. the players who are of apt skill regardless of gender are who this 'pro scene' is for. not mediocre players.
If you do not believe that there is a barrier for females playing Starcraft. Just go to the battle net forums and search for "girl Gamer".
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On November 23 2011 03:47 KoDo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 23 2011 03:42 Klondikebar wrote:On November 23 2011 03:41 KoDo wrote:
not all sports need females in them. don't need to give them special treatment to get them involved (none of my favorite sports are bi-gender). if they can't hang, they can't hang. find a new hobby. this is just dumb. Ever heard of "barriers to entry?" It's not really just an economic term. that has nothing to do with it. maybe you don't understand the concept. certain sports/games are built for certain people to be good at them. ie. football, is a guys sport. they don't bend over backwards to get females involved. maybe sc2 is a guys e-sport, maybe its not. either way, the 'barriers of entry' would be what??? a computer and internet? maybe reflexes that guys possess that girls dont? if thats the case, well then the game wasnt designed for them. dont need to accommodate them. the players who are of apt skill regardless of gender are who this 'pro scene' is for. not mediocre players.
There is nothing mechanically barring women from being pro gamers. Right now the barrier is social. There just aren't many pro gamer girls so girls who might want to be pro gamers, have no one to emulate or admire. This might create a catch 22 where girls aren't becoming pro gamers because girls aren't pro gamers.
When we actively seek the girl pro gamers, we can actually give girls someone to emulate. It's just a fact that most girls probably aren't going to think "I want to be like iNcontroL!" They will however think "I want to be like Ailuj."
And for the record, Ailuj is a good Starcraft 2 player. It was hard to see because she was playing Losira and because being on the main stage is stressful in and of itself. Questioning her skill based on that match really isn't fair.
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