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On November 15 2011 13:42 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 13:35 Clefairy wrote:VOD with wtf moment: http://www.twitch.tv/esvision/b/300029464?t=55m00sMr Chae's official statement:Hello this is Mr Chae. ESV TV is a foreign tournament that formed a partnership with the GSL and awarded players with GSL Nov. Code A seeds. However a partnership has not been confirmed for the GSL's first season of Code A in 2012, and we are still negotiating with ESV TV at the moment (this is because we are gathering feedback from all the teams on the GSL format during this Nov. season so any changes in format for 2012 may not accommodate a partnership). However, even if it is a tournament that does not award GSL Code A seeds, the use of profanities in a broadcast with many viewers and a blatant disregard for competition cannot be ignored by the GSL. We are unable to make a decision on the punishment yet based on only screenshots and the community. Therefore, we will be asking Prime and SlayerS about the situation and what further action should be taken. The consequences that the players will need to face will be announced as soon as possible after the situation has been assessed. Thank you. Source: http://esports.gomtv.com/gsl/community/view.gom?mbid=1&msgid=23901&p=1Mr Chae's unofficial statement:![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/X4OHM.jpg) Control your brains as well. Lol, GSL won't stand for profanities in non-gsl broadcasts? I want to see what they'll do with Idra. Anyways, I really think this is blow out of proportion. One guy helps his friend out of kindness and is punished for it.
Profanities....what? I guess they've forgotten about Poopfeast420 and Jinro's outburst. Since when has this been an issue for GSL?
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Where dat snitch at?37032 Posts
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OMFG!!!!! NOOOOOOOO!!!! COCA!!!!!!!!
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The fuck? Cocoa... why...
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On November 15 2011 13:46 raviy wrote:
Lifelong bans of both players are needed here.
Match fixing is not something to be taken lightly.
They should be happy that they're not facing criminal charges.
You're going to criminally charge people for helping a friend when nothing was on the line? I don't think that would hold up in any court.
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United States23455 Posts
On November 15 2011 13:45 Torpedo.Vegas wrote:
Whats with Zerg and "match fixing". Of all the races they seem to be the most shady. Like the Slytherin of Starcraft. You know they are going to be evil, but you practice with them anyway....you asked for this!
Savior match-fixed for lucrative amounts of cash and did it behind everyone's backs, gaining lots of money from his match-fixing.
Coca was an idiot kid, having fun with his buddy on an online tournament and thought it would be funny to forfeit a game that he had won so he could continue bullshitting with his friend. All he won from this match-fix was ruining his entire career. Byun would beat Coca and then get beat 2-0 by Creator in the next round.
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On November 15 2011 13:46 GreyKnight wrote:
ah so coca felt ashamed and forfeited the spot himself.
No I'm pretty sure SlayerS banned him from all tourneys so he can "self-reflect" but Coca had to be the one to drop out himself. So he did it because Boxer told him to essentially.
Can you guys even imagine having Boxer that angry at you? Damn son.
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United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
On November 15 2011 13:44 R1CH wrote:
Wow, pretty harsh on Coca. Kid isn't even 18 and they just shit all over his career over some bad decision on his part. Yea pretty much. A knee-jerk from peeps involved, but I guess major players in korea are trying to preserve E-sports and it's integrity. Match-fixing is not tolerable.
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On November 15 2011 13:45 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 13:43 Tanatos wrote:
Full translation
슬레이어스가 ESV TV 코리안 위클리 시즌4 ‘고의 패배’ 사건에 대해 공식 사과하고 최종환을 집으로 돌려보냈다.
Team SlayerS apologize about what happen to Coca's 'match fixing' during the ESV TV Korean Weekly S4 and send Coca back to home.
슬레이어스 김가연 게임단주는 “슬레이어스에 소속된 선수가 온라인 대회에서 고의 패배로 물의를 일으켜 죄송하다”고 말한 뒤 “이번 사건은 대회의 규모나 경기의 중요도에 관계없이 e스포츠 팬들에게 오해를 줄 수 있는 명백한 실수다. 팀 소속 선수에 대한 관리가 부족했던 것을 반성하고, 앞으로는 절대로 이런 일이 재발하지 않도록 노력하겠다”고 말했다.
Manager SlayerSEve said, "I am sorry about what happen to one of SlayerS member during the online tournament." "This is complete mistake from us to e-sports fans to cause misundertanding with no matter of importance nor size of tournament. I regret about reckless management and I will work hard to prevent such an incident ever again."
임요환 역시 “과거 승부조작 파문이 어떤 결과를 초래했는지 모두 알고 있다. 비록 온라인에서 진행된 일이라고 할지라도 선수로서 절대 해선 안될 일을 저지른 것”이라고 말한 뒤 “팀의 맏형으로서 사과 드리고, 이번 사건이 얼마나 나쁜 일인지 선수들에게 인지시키고 더 멋진 경기를 보여드릴 수 있도록 노력하겠다”고 덧붙였다.
Boxer also said, "We all know what result match fix scandal has caused. Even in online tournament, this is a non-exceptable matter as progamer." "I apologize as big brother of the team, and I will remind how terrible it is to other players, and we will work hard to show you better games."
슬레이어스는 이번 사건의 책임을 물어 최종환을 2군으로 강등시키고 집으로 귀가 시켰다. 또한, 자숙과 반성의 의미로 앞으로 펼쳐지는 국내외 모든 스타2 대회에 최종환을 출전시키지 않는다고 말했다. 슬레이어스의 이번 징계는 무기한 조치이며, 최종환이 대회에 출전할 수 있는 상황이 됐다고 판단했을 때 복귀할 수 있다.
SlayerS asked responsiblity of this incident to Coca and place him to B team and set him home. Also, by the meaning of self-reflect, SlayerS will ban Coca to any Starcraft 2 matches inside of Korea and rest of the world. This decision is for an indefinite period, and Coca will be back to SC2 when he is ready.
사건의 당사자인 최종환은 반성의 의미로 소니에릭슨 GSL 시즌7 코드S를 기권했다. 최종환은 이번 사건의 책임을 통감하고 스스로 코드S 잔여경기 출전을 포기하고 자숙하기로 결정했다. 이에 따라 최종환은 오는 16일 열리는 소니에릭슨 GSL 시즌7 코드S 16강 C조 경기에 출전하지 않는다.
Coca has forfeit the GSL Nov. Code S for meaning of self-reflect. Coca himself has felt responsible to this incident and forfeit the rest of matches. So, Coca will not be on GSL Code S RO16 Group C match on 16th.
한편, 곰TV는 커뮤니티 공지를 통해 이번 사건에 대한 공식입장을 발표했다. 채정원 팀장은 ESV TV와 GSL의 연계와 관련된 내용을 설명하고, 공식적인 확인 절차가 끝난 뒤 선수들에 대한 징계나 처벌에 대해 공식 발표하겠다고 밝혔다.
GomTV has announced their official comment on community board. Mr. Chae has explained relationship between ESV TV and GSL. After their official comfirmation, discipline action on players will be announced. Wait.....Eve is a manager?
LOL sorry haha I meant Jessica
Origianl post fixed
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You'd think after all the match fixing the Koreans went through that people would be more aware to not do stupid things like this...
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On November 15 2011 13:35 Poyo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 15 2011 13:33 Ktk wrote:
Hm, the degree of this is not as high as I had expected, I hope TL doesn't explode about this like it does with so many other things. Coca was obviously confident he could win and friendlied a 3rd game. Of course it is a tournament they could've played after... Or something...
Swearing (which was only done by byun) is worse, I'd say. I wonder what prime will do about that seeing how slayers responded. Yeah I don't understand your logic, swearing is worse than match fixing? I respectfully disagree.
i think mr chae is trying to downplay the situation to protect byun's and coca's progaming careereven for a little while more.
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Um...
Can I take back my liquidbet?
On a serious note, this is quite saddening, especially after his great performance in Ro32.
Idra actually mentioned match fixing being a real and serious problem recently.
It seems like such a distant issue to me, but this proves that it can appear in much more subtle ways then originally perceived as massive elaborate conspiracy by major teams.
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Canada13389 Posts
I think everyone is forgetting they are Korean, the punishments they receive do make sense as there are different cultural expectations in korea. Swearing in public on broadcast -- very bad.
Match fixing -- very bad. Why they just didn't play another game and send a different replay I don't know. Dumb kids :S
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On November 15 2011 13:46 Daralii wrote:
So does this mean CoCa is SaviOr?
Nowhere near close.
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retarded of them to talk about it during the game??? What were they thinking? ><
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On November 15 2011 13:46 raviy wrote:
Lifelong bans of both players are needed here.
Match fixing is not something to be taken lightly.
They should be happy that they're not facing criminal charges.
Jesus Christ throwing a match isn't criminal activity unless it's backed by some sort of other charge. If Savior got people to throw matches for no reason that's not criminal, it's that there was organized betting going on behind the scenes to make a profit.
Assuming no one is betting on this tournament it would hardly be criminal, just embarrassing and a sore spot.
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People also need to keep in mind what that incident would mean for further matches coca / byun would play at the GSL / international.
What happens if he has to face a team member in the group stages or another tournament where one doesn't stand the
chance to advance? His authenticity is completely gone for the moment, i sure as hell would be suspicious of every official game both of them play.
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On November 15 2011 13:46 raviy wrote:
Lifelong bans of both players are needed here.
Match fixing is not something to be taken lightly.
They should be happy that they're not facing criminal charges.
I consider myself a harsh person, thinking back to BW and my opinions and that, but I I think that's more than harsh.
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On November 15 2011 13:44 R1CH wrote:
Wow, pretty harsh on Coca. Kid isn't even 18 and they just shit all over his career over some bad decision on his part.
The punishment isn't harsh at all.
ESVTV is able to give a code A spot to winner, same as MLG..
Imagine if this happened at a MLG championship bracket.. everyone would be upset.
From the replays during ESV TV games for the majority of the weeks, there is always chatter during the games. I suppose ESV TV should be more strict about in game talking and tell the players participating.
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The best part is that they're both in the team house, couldn't he just have, you know, told Coca in person to leave the game so he can get that Code A spot instead? >_>
What that means for the ESV weekly (when they do get that Code A spot back), is obviously that they can't allow Code A/S players to participate. Of course, it's up to the players themselves to be honourable and adher to the spirit of fair play, but it looks like you can't trust even professional players with this. No Code A/S players in the ESV weekly would avoid the temptation for the Code !/S players to throw games against their non-Code A/S teammates.
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Norway25712 Posts
CoCa, what are you doing? Jesus christ... This could be a huge problem for his future. Thanks for the translations btw.
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