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RoboBob
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States798 Posts
November 15 2011 04:48 GMT
#181
Wow. I'm surprised the Koreans are handling this so harshly. They should be punished for sure, but all of this is like beating a dead horse. There was NO Code A spot on the line in this tournament. Yes in the past the winner got a Code A seed, but it wasn't happening this tournament.

Losing Code S, getting kicked out of team house, blocked from entering other tournaments...this is a career-ender for all three of them (don't forget the puppy!)
anrimayu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States875 Posts
November 15 2011 04:48 GMT
#182
On November 15 2011 13:45 Dakkas wrote:
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On November 15 2011 13:43 Tanatos wrote:
Full translation

슬레이어스가 ESV TV 코리안 위클리 시즌4 ‘고의 패배’ 사건에 대해 공식 사과하고 최종환을 집으로 돌려보냈다.
Team SlayerS apologize about what happen to Coca's 'match fixing' during the ESV TV Korean Weekly S4 and send Coca back to home.


슬레이어스 김가연 게임단주는 “슬레이어스에 소속된 선수가 온라인 대회에서 고의 패배로 물의를 일으켜 죄송하다”고 말한 뒤 “이번 사건은 대회의 규모나 경기의 중요도에 관계없이 e스포츠 팬들에게 오해를 줄 수 있는 명백한 실수다. 팀 소속 선수에 대한 관리가 부족했던 것을 반성하고, 앞으로는 절대로 이런 일이 재발하지 않도록 노력하겠다”고 말했다.

Manager SlayerSEve said, "I am sorry about what happen to one of SlayerS member during the online tournament." "This is complete mistake from us to e-sports fans to cause misundertanding with no matter of importance nor size of tournament. I regret about reckless management and I will work hard to prevent such an incident ever again."


임요환 역시 “과거 승부조작 파문이 어떤 결과를 초래했는지 모두 알고 있다. 비록 온라인에서 진행된 일이라고 할지라도 선수로서 절대 해선 안될 일을 저지른 것”이라고 말한 뒤 “팀의 맏형으로서 사과 드리고, 이번 사건이 얼마나 나쁜 일인지 선수들에게 인지시키고 더 멋진 경기를 보여드릴 수 있도록 노력하겠다”고 덧붙였다.

Boxer also said, "We all know what result match fix scandal has caused. Even in online tournament, this is a non-exceptable matter as progamer." "I apologize as big brother of the team, and I will remind how terrible it is to other players, and we will work hard to show you better games."

슬레이어스는 이번 사건의 책임을 물어 최종환을 2군으로 강등시키고 집으로 귀가 시켰다. 또한, 자숙과 반성의 의미로 앞으로 펼쳐지는 국내외 모든 스타2 대회에 최종환을 출전시키지 않는다고 말했다. 슬레이어스의 이번 징계는 무기한 조치이며, 최종환이 대회에 출전할 수 있는 상황이 됐다고 판단했을 때 복귀할 수 있다.

SlayerS asked responsiblity of this incident to Coca and place him to B team and set him home. Also, by the meaning of self-reflect, SlayerS will ban Coca to any Starcraft 2 matches inside of Korea and rest of the world. This decision is for an indefinite period, and Coca will be back to SC2 when he is ready.

사건의 당사자인 최종환은 반성의 의미로 소니에릭슨 GSL 시즌7 코드S를 기권했다. 최종환은 이번 사건의 책임을 통감하고 스스로 코드S 잔여경기 출전을 포기하고 자숙하기로 결정했다. 이에 따라 최종환은 오는 16일 열리는 소니에릭슨 GSL 시즌7 코드S 16강 C조 경기에 출전하지 않는다.

Coca has forfeit the GSL Nov. Code S for meaning of self-reflect. Coca himself has felt responsible to this incident and forfeit the rest of matches. So, Coca will not be on GSL Code S RO16 Group C match on 16th.

한편, 곰TV는 커뮤니티 공지를 통해 이번 사건에 대한 공식입장을 발표했다. 채정원 팀장은 ESV TV와 GSL의 연계와 관련된 내용을 설명하고, 공식적인 확인 절차가 끝난 뒤 선수들에 대한 징계나 처벌에 대해 공식 발표하겠다고 밝혔다.

GomTV has announced their official comment on community board. Mr. Chae has explained relationship between ESV TV and GSL. After their official comfirmation, discipline action on players will be announced.


Wait.....Eve is a manager?


김가연 is jessica, its a mistranslation.

Interestingly, this shows the difference between Korean and foreign scenes. Korean forums exploded regarding this issue, and most people agree that Byun's punishment is way too lenient and he should be kicked out of the teamhouse as well.
☆*:.。. o(≧▽≦)o .。.:*☆
TheSwamp
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1497 Posts
November 15 2011 04:49 GMT
#183
On November 15 2011 13:47 Oreo7 wrote:
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On November 15 2011 13:46 GreyKnight wrote:
ah so coca felt ashamed and forfeited the spot himself.

No I'm pretty sure SlayerS banned him from all tourneys so he can "self-reflect" but Coca had to be the one to drop out himself. So he did it because Boxer told him to essentially.

Can you guys even imagine having Boxer that angry at you? Damn son.


Like the look of disapproval you get from your father when you come home drunk for the first time.
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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
November 15 2011 04:49 GMT
#184
On November 15 2011 13:48 neptunesak wrote:
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On November 15 2011 13:44 R1CH wrote:
Wow, pretty harsh on Coca. Kid isn't even 18 and they just shit all over his career over some bad decision on his part.


The punishment isn't harsh at all.

ESVTV is able to give a code A spot to winner, same as MLG..

Imagine if this happened at a MLG championship bracket.. everyone would be upset.

From the replays during ESV TV games for the majority of the weeks, there is always chatter during the games. I suppose ESV TV should be more strict about in game talking and tell the players participating.

Whether or not ESV would give a Code A spot hasn't been decided for the upcoming year. The match counted for close to nothing.
pewpew444
Profile Joined May 2011
United States121 Posts
November 15 2011 04:50 GMT
#185
Bah so sad to read this =(
MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
November 15 2011 04:50 GMT
#186
goddamn it coca, why would you do this to yourself. It does seem harsh to take so much away from him though.
brassmonkey1211
Profile Joined December 2010
United States68 Posts
November 15 2011 04:50 GMT
#187
Dear GSL and SlayerS,

You are drastically overestimating how up-tight we, e-sports fans, are. Profanities and jokes mid-match are what we thrive off of. As long as there is no foul play, i.e. match-fixing, then we really could not possibly give less of a fuck.

Sincerely,

Some Nerd
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
November 15 2011 04:50 GMT
#188
On November 15 2011 13:46 Clefairy wrote:
The thing that sucks about this is that there are only two more Zergs left in Code S and they're in the same group.

Also Taeja's official statement:
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Ahk I just woke up...



yes, match fixing scandal returns to korea, and the worst part is a zerg might get knocked out of code s tomorrow
creamer
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada128 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 04:50:43
November 15 2011 04:50 GMT
#189
Demuslim once left 2 games without even starting to send IdrA through to some tournament.......... I think this is blown out of proportion but you gotta do what you gotta do i guess. we need more terrans in code S anyways! TERRAN 4 EVA!

edit: give mkp back his spot
MKP - Best player of all time
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
November 15 2011 04:50 GMT
#190
Goodness, this devastating for this kid, 17 years old, left school to play SC2, and this happens.

Somebody brought up the comparison to Stephano, and it really makes me angry. Stephano and Brat_Ok pulled the same shit at Assembly, then Stephano backs out of a contract he signed with Complexity. Nothing happened to him.

Anyway, I just cannot find a coherent way to express my thoughts through all this: So much disappointment, sadness at the fall of a shooting star, the reappearance of the spector of match-fixing...*sigh
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
ROOTheognis
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States4482 Posts
November 15 2011 04:50 GMT
#191
On November 15 2011 13:48 Bobster wrote:
The best part is that they're both in the team house, couldn't he just have, you know, told Coca in person to leave the game so he can get that Code A spot instead? >_>


What that means for the ESV weekly (when they do get that Code A spot back), is obviously that they can't allow Code A/S players to participate. Of course, it's up to the players themselves to be honourable and adher to the spirit of fair play, but it looks like you can't trust even professional players with this. No Code A/S players in the ESV weekly would avoid the temptation for the Code !/S players to throw games against their non-Code A/S teammates.


they used to be in the same team but they are now in different houses
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GoodRamen
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States713 Posts
November 15 2011 04:50 GMT
#192
On November 15 2011 13:48 Bobster wrote:
The best part is that they're both in the team house, couldn't he just have, you know, told Coca in person to leave the game so he can get that Code A spot instead? >_>


What that means for the ESV weekly (when they do get that Code A spot back), is obviously that they can't allow Code A/S players to participate. Of course, it's up to the players themselves to be honourable and adher to the spirit of fair play, but it looks like you can't trust even professional players with this. No Code A/S players in the ESV weekly would avoid the temptation for the Code !/S players to throw games against their non-Code A/S teammates.


byun is in prime and coca is in slayers
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Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
November 15 2011 04:51 GMT
#193
On November 15 2011 13:44 R1CH wrote:
Wow, pretty harsh on Coca. Kid isn't even 18 and they just shit all over his career over some bad decision on his part.

He is a professional player, age has nothing to do with it. Actions have consequences, professional players have a responsibility to ensure the integrity of the sport.
Dakure
Profile Joined February 2011
United States513 Posts
November 15 2011 04:51 GMT
#194
I'm not really sure about law or anything but this seems to be a spur of the moment thing and not preplanned, and that should account for something, right? Something about mens rea right?
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
November 15 2011 04:51 GMT
#195
Man this is so sad. Coca's been doing so well, and then this happens. Even though this is minor, I don't think Slayers can tolerate this. Although I don't htink Boxer has any plans of a lifelong ban. Prolly give Coca some time to think about it and let him redeem himself. Stupid mistake, but no money was involved. So the intention wasn't to make a lot of money.
Mr.Brightside
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia317 Posts
November 15 2011 04:51 GMT
#196
Goddamnit I just voted for CoCa to go through to the ro8 in GSL too. xD
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Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 04:52:33
November 15 2011 04:51 GMT
#197
On November 15 2011 13:50 YoiChiBow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 13:48 Bobster wrote:
The best part is that they're both in the team house, couldn't he just have, you know, told Coca in person to leave the game so he can get that Code A spot instead? >_>


What that means for the ESV weekly (when they do get that Code A spot back), is obviously that they can't allow Code A/S players to participate. Of course, it's up to the players themselves to be honourable and adher to the spirit of fair play, but it looks like you can't trust even professional players with this. No Code A/S players in the ESV weekly would avoid the temptation for the Code !/S players to throw games against their non-Code A/S teammates.


they used to be in the same team but they are now in different houses

On November 15 2011 13:50 GoodRamen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 13:48 Bobster wrote:
The best part is that they're both in the team house, couldn't he just have, you know, told Coca in person to leave the game so he can get that Code A spot instead? >_>


What that means for the ESV weekly (when they do get that Code A spot back), is obviously that they can't allow Code A/S players to participate. Of course, it's up to the players themselves to be honourable and adher to the spirit of fair play, but it looks like you can't trust even professional players with this. No Code A/S players in the ESV weekly would avoid the temptation for the Code !/S players to throw games against their non-Code A/S teammates.


byun is in prime and coca is in slayers

Oh, right sorry, brainfart on my end. Thanks guys.
Clank
Profile Joined April 2011
United States548 Posts
November 15 2011 04:51 GMT
#198
omg, so harsh. Obviously not a good situation, but to get kicked out of code S, the A team, and participating in any tournament, sheesh
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
November 15 2011 04:51 GMT
#199
On November 15 2011 13:48 Bobster wrote:
The best part is that they're both in the team house, couldn't he just have, you know, told Coca in person to leave the game so he can get that Code A spot instead? >_>


What that means for the ESV weekly (when they do get that Code A spot back), is obviously that they can't allow Code A/S players to participate. Of course, it's up to the players themselves to be honourable and adher to the spirit of fair play, but it looks like you can't trust even professional players with this. No Code A/S players in the ESV weekly would avoid the temptation for the Code !/S players to throw games against their non-Code A/S teammates.


Coca is on Slayers. Byun on Prime.

Also, there was no spot for this tournament. Coca and Byun weren't being masterminds. They were just having fun trolling each other, Coca didn't want it to be over, so he forfeited and went onto a third game because it seemed funny at the time. They're just idiot kids who took ESV as a small tournament that didn't mean anything and got a rude awakening at the results.
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SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
November 15 2011 04:51 GMT
#200
Honestly the punishments seem over the top. The BW scandal, was entirely different and involved vast sums of money and much more important matches.

Plus CoCa and Byun are both still quite young to make stupid mistakes--- they obviously didn't realize how big an issue it was, chatting in game about it. Nobody would chat about it if they didn't think it was a big deal... that's not even attempting to hide it.
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