EPTIf they were match fixing they could have easily just played badly on purpose and lost to a 2 rax or let their army get nuked or something.
Coca forfeits Code S due to ESV weekly scandal - Page 68
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TwoMagTrav
United States195 Posts
If they were match fixing they could have easily just played badly on purpose and lost to a 2 rax or let their army get nuked or something. | ||
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homer001
493 Posts
shocked by the stupidity of how they got caught he should hav done it like nestea at blizzcon- just kidding!!!! | ||
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Xadar
497 Posts
Fuck you to whoever made such a big problem out of nothing and made him forfeit that spot. | ||
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MeriaDoKk
Chile1726 Posts
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Surriel
United Kingdom198 Posts
On November 16 2011 00:55 eYeball wrote: Haha random tourmanent with low prizes? You think it's easy to get to a code a spot? People like you can really make the blood boil... There was no code A being awarded for this tournament. The only prize on the line is first place of 100$. GOM is still considering if they should give ESL a code A spot for the next GSL tournament after the format change. | ||
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Gusenbauer
Austria19 Posts
Good reaction from the teams. I personally wouldn't mind seeing CoCa and Byun disappearing for good. Esports is a growing industry, but a very young and fragile one. You simply cannot let everything a lot of people worked for and even more people care about go to shreds, because of such unprofessional and inacceptable behaviour. When you want to see Starcraft as a competitive environment, where skill and dedication is worth something, then there is no other way to go about such incidents, but rigorous penalties. If Starcraft is nothing but "yet another game" to you, well, you're missing a lot and I suggest you shouldn't care about the CoCa/Byun or the Saviour-incident in the first place  . | ||
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KryptoStorm
England377 Posts
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TwoMagTrav
United States195 Posts
On November 16 2011 00:30 OneOther wrote: Yea, I guess the issue here really is where and how you draw the line. Obviously, if Coca were careful, he could have made sure nobody ever finds out about letting Byun win the match. Again, just because it happens in other sports does not mean this is okay in e-Sports or that they should not attempt to find the optimal solution. It does ruin the spirit of the competition based on fair wins and losses. You could almost say that Byun is "stealing" the spot of someone else who could have beaten Coca, it's not as simple as a friend helping another one out. This is ridiculous, this happens all the time in road racing between team mates. One guy is in the race for the championship and one guy cannot win the championship so he lets his team mate take the race win if possible. This definitely doesn't seem like a ridiculous moral dilemma, the only problem is that in racing its not against the rule because you CANNOT police it. You also can't police it in SC2 but it is against the rules. If Coca had intentionally played bad in order to lose secretly no one would have ever known, I think the issue here is that they didn't realize this was a big deal and against the rules otherwise they wouldn't have talked about it in the in game chat FFS! | ||
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lolnoty
United States7166 Posts
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TwoMagTrav
United States195 Posts
On November 16 2011 00:56 MeriaDoKk wrote: Imagine if all players did this with their friends, thats not a competition, and it's not fair to other players, good decision IMO. You think they don't? If you practiced with a guy 12 hours a day 6 days a week and then you get matched up against him where if you win you get nothing really and he gets a GSL code A spot you don't think you'd help your friend out? It would definitely be hard to just beat him and send him on his way when you both know how hard you work to get into GSL and you have nothing to gain from it. Someone blew this out of proportion and now GSL will be TvT every round forever. LOL | ||
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kubiks
France1328 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [GSL Spolier] + That means leenock is the zerg last hope ? Leenocktopus fighting ! | ||
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gwixter
Slovakia336 Posts
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AGsc
Canada120 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:11 Clefairy wrote: NesTea's official statement: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/06mQU.jpg) Wtf... Don't they have brains tsk tsk tsk ^Knows a thing or two about leaving reasonable doubt when throwing a game. I wouldn't be surprised if Coca didn't come back to pro gaming. To work that hard in a professional capacity only to have the community lash out at you over something like this would leave anyone bitter. Also having to re-qualify from code B, even for a top player and especially for one who has been exiled from his training house, is no easy task and the whole incident is probably making Coca and others reconsider whether they want to invest their time and effort in such a fickle industry. | ||
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Zeetee
United States153 Posts
i understand that there's some differences (coca was in a winning position before giving away the free win, while white-ras opponent just gave it away at the beginning), but its still amazing to me that people will flip out over this while white-ras opponent was praised for throwing games.... liquipedia source + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2011, Slasher of MLG announced that White-Ra would appear at MLG Anaheim in the open bracket along with players Jinro and LastShadow.[4] White-Ra was disqualified in his match against Gimix because he did not make it to the game in time, but he managed to fight his way through the loser's bracket to secure him a slot in the Championship Bracket where he was stopped by SeleCT. During his path to the Championship Bracket, he once again faced Gimix, and due to his previous disqualification and MLG's extended series rule, Gimix had a 2 - 0 lead on White-Ra. Knowing that the disqualification was not "right", Gimix worker rushed the first two games so that the series would be 2 - 2, and thus be a normal best of three. | ||
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bayaka
Canada102 Posts
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DreamOen
Spain1400 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
On November 16 2011 00:56 MeriaDoKk wrote: Everybody does this, in situations in which they want to lose (which doesn't really occur that often, but it might sometimes). They don't show up (forfeit), and it's fine. I still don't know why these two even sent the replays, just say Coca forfeits the match due to scheduling, and that's all. Which is what happened, but he also wanted these 3 games for training vs Terran, not for advancing vs next round Protoss. You can't force someone to play, when he doesn't want to, because he's busy etc.Imagine if all players did this with their friends, thats not a competition, and it's not fair to other players, good decision IMO. Is it really objectively better - by either moral, or entertaining viewpoint - to just state "forfeit", like everybody else would do? (I watched the games, and enjoyed the play; my viewing experience was going to be far more ruined by no games) | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
they just got caught because they're dumb, its perfectly normal to move a teammate through if you can. | ||
Fishriot
United States621 Posts
On November 16 2011 01:09 Zeetee wrote: wait.. what the hell? didn't some guy do the same thing for white-ra at an MLG one time? (white-ra showed up late so he lost the first 2 sets or something, so the guy just worker rushed/gg'd until the score was even). i understand that there's some differences (coca was in a winning position before giving away the free win, while white-ras opponent just gave it away at the beginning), but its still amazing to me that people will flip out over this while white-ras opponent was praised for throwing games.... liquipedia source + Show Spoiler + On July 22 2011, Slasher of MLG announced that White-Ra would appear at MLG Anaheim in the open bracket along with players Jinro and LastShadow.[4] White-Ra was disqualified in his match against Gimix because he did not make it to the game in time, but he managed to fight his way through the loser's bracket to secure him a slot in the Championship Bracket where he was stopped by SeleCT. During his path to the Championship Bracket, he once again faced Gimix, and due to his previous disqualification and MLG's extended series rule, Gimix had a 2 - 0 lead on White-Ra. Knowing that the disqualification was not "right", Gimix worker rushed the first two games so that the series would be 2 - 2, and thus be a normal best of three. In my opinion, there is a big difference between throwing two games in order to have a fair fight with your opponent, and asking your opponent to leave. Nonetheless, I feel bad for Coco and Byun. It doesn't seem like they had malicious intentions at all. | ||
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DiMano
Korea (South)2066 Posts
Imagine if all players did this with their friends, thats not a competition, and it's not fair to other players, good decision IMO. Look at number of forfeits in Korean Weeklies teammates just don't appear. GuMiho vs Sirius in Finals №3 as an example | ||
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