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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:38 CosmicSpiral wrote: I don't see any wrist-slaps for Demuslim or Stephano. because korean scene is not the same as foreigner scene. I don´t know why people keep bringing up Stephano and Demuslim when we are dealing with the korean scene. They take this more seriously(for better or for worse) | ||
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Horse...falcon
United States1851 Posts
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:43 mtn wrote: Small mistake? It was for Code S spot FFS. He should have been punished, and I'm glad that he was. What? it wasn't for a code s spot. it wasn't even a code a spot -.- | ||
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VPCursed
1044 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:32 JunkkaGom wrote: Let me say this to people who say that since this isn't as big deal as Savior incident because Coca dind't gain anything and hasn't caused as huge scandal as then, he should be forgiven : Killing some owner of rich company to steal money is just as bad as killing homeless guy for fun. Small or big, match fixing is killing esports please, Don't over generalize. This was hardly match fixing, I mean the entire morality of the situation was not even in the presence of the players mind because it seemed to harm no one, It wasn't the GSL. Seeing as there isn't some governing body regulating all of sc2 e-sports having its foot up every tournaments ass, these sort of things don't seem like a big deal as the tournament itself seems illegitimate offering no real prize, It's not as if there is some common law that when it comes to these sort of things. Point being this could have happened to nearly anyone, I wouldn't expect even 90% of you to have the ability to use critical thinking and put your self in there shoes. I can't see how a big tournament such as your self or even the teams or even the people in this forum coming off there high chair and laying down their moral hammer. It's an unfortunate incident that this happened and it had a big impact but I doubt many players would have the presence of mind to realize the gravity of the situation, If there was a governing organization that would come out and start to regulate all the tourneys and players then this should be a big deal, also. Huge shame on mr chae for criticizing the players use of language. He has not claimed any authority to say what rules of conduct the players are to abide by. That is my rant EDIT: Id like to add... Situations like this could be avoided if ESL provided proper incentive for players to win, which is why a governing body is good for starcraft, so it can set standards for tournaments | ||
JunkkaGom
Korea (South)855 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:37 R1CH wrote: Ruining pro-gamers careers with ridiculous over-reactions is killing esports. Not some 17 year old kid throwing a game. I am aware that these are just kids and I do feel pitty but I still think this is unacceptable. A 'pro-gamer' should not insult fans who watch the game anticipating good game. Sure many players fail to entertain but there is difference doing it unintentionally and doing it on purpose, not to mention showing it to viewers witout shame or guilt. | ||
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FreedomSC2
Canada224 Posts
If he was on my team he would be removed. | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:44 JunkkaGom wrote: I am aware that these are just kids and I do feel pitty but I still think this is unacceptable. A 'pro-gamer' should not insult fans who watch the game anticipating good game. Sure many players fail to entertain but there is difference doing it unintentionally and doing it on purpose, not to mention showing it to viewers witout shame or guilt. Just ban those guys from GSL and all teams. It may not be permanent, but 1 year is fine imho. ^^ | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:42 windsupernova wrote: Gom didn´t enforce anything. It was the teams. The teams themeselves decided the punishment. Last time I checked GSL isn't a team league and has nothing to do with this particular ESV. If I was causing disruptive behavior in the local supermarket I wouldn't get a ban from all the restaurants in the city. Why should CoCa be removed from a party with no affiliation to this incident? Because it reflects negatively on GSL? No, that is silly. | ||
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:45 smstorm wrote: talk about bm. I think he should be suspended from all GSL events for six months at least. I know Boxer bumped him to the B team but still. That's not enough.. he should maybe even be fined. If he was on my team he would be removed. Removing him might be going a bit too far. I think Boxer's content with just letting Coca think about his actions. | ||
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Slakkoo
Sweden1119 Posts
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_Depression
United States251 Posts
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Dhalphir
Australia1305 Posts
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slicknav
1409 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:38 Deshkar wrote: I see cultural clashes. The asians/koreans see it as a damage/insult to the professionalism and legitimacy of Starcraft 2, whereas the west sees it as a mere trivial matter within a PC game tournament. I really want Starcraft 2 to grow. Anyhow, match fixing is match fixing, and it hurts SC2's attempt to legitimize itself and E-Sports. For CoCa and Byun to do so blatantly is borderline insulting to the viewers and people who have worked hard for Starcraft 2 thus far. Not surprisingly Koreans do seem sensitive to anything that resembles match fixing. The BW incident really burned them. Not saying that what happened is right, but in Korea this seems to be a bigger deal than it would be anywhere else. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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slytown
Korea (South)1411 Posts
How is this failing to represent a team in a tournament? A: It's not. They went on to ANOTHER GAME. Please reinstate your players please. EDIT: Oh yea, I almost forrgot. SlayerS Cella let coL.MVP's DRG win his Code B qualifier to get into Code A last season. Let's punish both Cella, a team coach, and DRG for ruining esports.  | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:47 setzer wrote: Last time I checked GSL isn't a team league and has nothing to do with this particular ESV. If I was causing disruptive behavior in the local supermarket I wouldn't get a ban from all the restaurants in the city. Why should CoCa be removed from a party with no affiliation to this incident? Because it reflects negatively on GSL? No, that is silly. What are you arguing? Read the OP, it's stated he has removed himself from GSL and that the team his banned him from future competition until his mentaility is right. Obviosuly the team doesn't want him representing them in tournaments untill they can trust him.... GOM didn't remove him from GSL, he chose to leave himself - probably from pressure from his team, but nontheless, GOM didn't force him to leave. | ||
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Eschaton
United States1245 Posts
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anrimayu
United States875 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:45 smstorm wrote: talk about bm. I think he should be suspended from all GSL events for six months at least. I know Boxer bumped him to the B team but still. That's not enough.. he should maybe even be fined. If he was on my team he would be removed. And no team with right mind would take in a player that has been kicked out by Boxer for inappropriate behavior. That would be as same as lifetime ban. Also, Jessica said that was the original plan, but I'm guessing Coca somehow managed to convince her to let him stay in the team. | ||
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forSeohyun
504 Posts
There isn't only one tournament who may punish him, which is good, because that will allow some redundancy in punishments so that an "overreaction" need not be world ending. There is no "player's union" which is bad. The teams must of course be able to distance themselves and make sure team discipline is maintained. And then there's the fans' judgement: what do you think and will you still support them? | ||
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R1CH
Netherlands10341 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:44 JunkkaGom wrote: I am aware that these are just kids and I do feel pitty but I still think this is unacceptable. A 'pro-gamer' should not insult fans who watch the game anticipating good game. Sure many players fail to entertain but there is difference doing it unintentionally and doing it on purpose, not to mention showing it to viewers witout shame or guilt. I agree it's unacceptable but I think the punishment in this case (essentially destroying his career) is also unacceptable. An apology and reprimand by SlayerS would have been enough to get the message across. | ||
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