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Sabu113
United States11110 Posts
Ban them for life. No tolerance. No Forgiveness. Sure we knew this was happenign but to be so blatant about this is unforgivable. edit: They are both replaceable. Do we want to create any new risk that the korean sc2 scene won't succeed? Sure it's understandable. But here's an opportunity to put the fear of god into anyone thinking of actually engaging in match fixing. | ||
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trinxified
Canada7774 Posts
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RedHelix
250 Posts
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SenorChang
Australia4730 Posts
Throwing a game and match fixing are not the same thing. Match fixing is when you stand to gain something in return for throwing it. Coca didn't stand to gain anything | ||
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
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kKagari
Australia84 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:32 neoghaleon55 wrote: Nestea....what happened at blizzcon?? Don't be a hypocrite Well lets see. Nestea lost to some great timing attacks by MVP and also a ghost turtle strat on Shakuras Plateau. Coca annihilated his opponent's army and was 100 supply ahead, yet declared to surrender. Doesnt sound like hypocrisy to me! | ||
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Kiyo.
United States2284 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:37 R1CH wrote: Ruining pro-gamers careers with ridiculous over-reactions is killing esports. Not some 17 year old kid throwing a game. This. There's a difference between throwing a game and match-fixing. What about when that kid threw 2 games to White-Ra at MLG to even up the extended series? Was that match fixing? Would you guys crucify him? No, you guys all praised him. What about when DeMuslim threw some games to Idra because he found out he couldn't make the finals? Didn't see any bitching then. Not every circumstance of throwing games is the same, so you can't treat it as such. | ||
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Tortious_Tortoise
United States944 Posts
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casualman
United States1198 Posts
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DNA.MPK
United States50 Posts
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bigbeau
368 Posts
Sports analogy: What happened in BW with savior was like betting on your opponent in an NBA/NFL/MLB game and then purposefully losing. What happened with coca was like playing a pickup game and fucking around and saying start over lets run it back. | ||
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Namu
United States826 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:39 RedHelix wrote: This seems completely unreasonable. If you want to punish him make it something reasonable, don't take his freaking code S spot. Is boxer going to be punished for taking the games against yellow too lightly? Where do you draw the line? Showmatch != Tournament | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:39 SenorChang wrote: Throwing a game and match fixing are not the same thing. Match fixing is when you stand to gain something in return for throwing it. Coca didn't stand to gain anything Does it matter? He still threw a game. And publicly. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:39 Sabu113 wrote: Can't have this be so blatant. Ban them for life. No tolerance. No Forgiveness. Sure we knew this was happenign but to be so blatant about this is unforgivable. You can`t be serious. That is way too harsh. This is their career and life, you want to end that because of one thrown game in some ESV tournament? They aren`t even adults. | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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Kettchup
United States1911 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:32 JunkkaGom wrote: Let me say this to people who say that since this isn't as big deal as Savior incident because Coca dind't gain anything and hasn't caused as huge scandal as then, he should be forgiven : Killing some owner of rich company to steal money is just as bad as killing homeless guy for fun. Small or big, match fixing is killing esports In a recent MLG, there was a player that had a 2-0 extended series advantage due to a player being late for their earlier match and forfeiting it. The player with the advantage then went on to intentionally even up the series with 2 worker all ins, because he didn't agree with having the advantage. Those were technically thrown games and match-fixing, but everyone was perfectly ok with it. So not everything is equivalent. This situation between Coca and Byun is worse than that, but not has bad as true match-fixing for profit. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
Matching-fixing requires one party to throw a game, yes. But throwing a game is not the same, nor is it anywhere near as serious as match-fixing. | ||
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snafoo
New Zealand1615 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:38 setzer wrote: Any consequence should be enforced by ESV, the party that is involved in this. If they determine that what CoCa did was unfair to the integrity of the tournament they should ban him for any duration they choose. What is a clear overreaction however is to deny CoCa the opportunity to compete in ALL tournaments, such as MLG and GSL. I won't speak for CoCa but if I did this and the entire team sat down and explained to me what I did was wrong I would realize my mistake. SlayerS and GOM doesn't need to make life-changing decisions to get a point across any more clear than a sit-down and penalty from ESV would have done. And really? comparing a juvenile mistake to planned murder is quite extreme. GSL didn't do anything, from reading the article, Coca and Slayers + Prime chose to withdraw them from Code S and deny future tournaments.. Probably should read the OP, but that'd make sense, I suppose. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46503 Posts
Since when? Match-fixing doesn't have to be pre-meditated. "dishonest activity to make sure that one team wins a particular sports match" ~http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/match-fixing Throwing games on purpose is essentially the same thing as match fixing. It's certainly just as bad. It breaks the same rules, and gives the same unfair advantages to your opponent and the same unfair disadvantages to everyone else in the tournament who has been playing by the rules. It ruins the sanctity of the game. This semantics crap of "match-fixing =/= throwing games, so what Coca did is fine" is really getting annoying. | ||
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dib
95 Posts
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