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slicknav
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
November 15 2011 05:21 GMT
#401
I don't think this is as serious as the BW match fixing scandal, I don't think either of them made money from this...but its still pretty retarded of them to be talking about this in the game chat. But it does show that these guys don't take competition seriously if they'r begging for wins/purposely losing. No sports team would ever hire have players like that. Good decision by both teams to prevent these guys from competing
blah blah blah...
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
November 15 2011 05:21 GMT
#402
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Fuck the what? God damn that is sad. Incredibly stupid move by both, but they're getting crucified for something that would only have needed a hard slap on the wrist. Coca out of GSL and having to re-qualify would have been a better punishment (perhaps a short ban for Byun), imo. Hopefully their bans don't last for too long, or else their careers are fucked forever. Side note: Good thing I didn't LB CoCa.
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desRow
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2654 Posts
November 15 2011 05:21 GMT
#403
wow TT coca should have never played the first game and say he had to go instead of doing this
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Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
November 15 2011 05:21 GMT
#404
It's not match-fixing, Christ.

It's dumb, but it's not match-fixing. Not everyone in jail committed murder. Some of them are there for a couple of nights for getting drunk and punching a guy.
Alvis
Profile Joined July 2011
876 Posts
November 15 2011 05:21 GMT
#405
That is totally unacceptable/
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
November 15 2011 05:22 GMT
#406
On November 15 2011 14:17 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:
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On November 15 2011 14:15 Namu wrote:
On November 15 2011 14:14 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:
On November 15 2011 13:51 SniXSniPe wrote:
Honestly the punishments seem over the top. The BW scandal, was entirely different and involved vast sums of money and much more important matches.

Plus CoCa and Byun are both still quite young to make stupid mistakes--- they obviously didn't realize how big an issue it was, chatting in game about it. Nobody would chat about it if they didn't think it was a big deal... that's not even attempting to hide it.


Right, so if Tiger Woods walked out of a Satellite tournementto give his spot to his friend (since he's already) qualified, announcing it on live television in the same manner as in this case, he should have no consequences at all?

My pro-golfer friend would totally have a screaming fit... seriously.
What they did was so fucking disrespectful it is not even funny.
At the very least, forfeit to some shit excuse, at least show you respect the tournament and the work to organise it.

I mean, can you imagine all that work of running and organising a contest and a contestant mid-event announces, "I'm going to forfeit so my friend here can advance. I'm going to go now, Peace y'all".
Their stunt was a huge slap in the face of the organisers and the sponsors.
Any wonder Boxer was mad.


Code A spot was not up for grab this ESV tournament.
Goddamnit how many times do I have to post this


That certainly explains WHY he threw the match, but to do it openly?
Come on...


How does that explain why he threw the match?
Code A seed was irrelevant to this tournament. Coca just threw the match because he's good friends with Byun.
Not because he's qualified for GSL or something. It was just a retarded thing to do by both coca and byun, but it definitely was not match fixing. (unless you include intentionally throwing matches with no relation to money or anything as match fixing)
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
November 15 2011 05:22 GMT
#407
On November 15 2011 14:16 Redmark wrote:
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On November 15 2011 14:14 Probulous wrote:
On November 15 2011 14:07 HornyHydra wrote:
At this one MLG some player on the team EP basically forfeited some of his games to WhiteRa so he wouldn't have the extended series advantage. This is the same shit, participating in a tournament and not playing your games all the way through. If I remember correctly, the guy brought his workers to the corner of the map and left the game after GGing. How the fuck does CoCa and Byun get so much shit when that guy was fucking praised? Both players threw games and that is by definition match fixing...what I'm saying is that the punishments handed out are too fucking harsh. I'd understand if both players were taken out of GSL and banned for a few seasons, but a life ban is not fucking acceptable. This inconsistency in the enforcement of integrity of the tournaments is really pathetic...and both the teams and tournaments need to rethink this through.



First off there are different people enforcing different punishments so saying "This inconsistency in the enforcement of integrity of the tournaments is really pathetic" is moot really.

Also the situation are completely different. White-ra was late and MLG refused to reschedule to allow him to play all the games. Yes he should have been there on time but there was nothing White-ra could have done to win those games. He didn't lose he simply was not able to play. So his opponent chose a level field.

In this case Byun was getting ass-raped, no reason for Coca to quit. He wants to play again, play after the tournament. What if Coca lost the third game? The Byun gets through based on Coca throwing a game.

You can argue about the harshness of the punishment but comparing those situations doesn't work.

How doesn't it work? If gimix wants to play White-ra in a fair match, play after the tournament.
It's entirely the same. What if Byun fucks up his build because his dog licked his face? Is that honorable enough that CoCa can forfeit the game?

Rules are rules. Showing up on time is a rule.


The biggest difference is that White-Ra didn't request the action from his opponent. His opponent took it upon himself to throw 2 games.

In this particular case, it's clear the Byun ASKED for Coca to throw the match, and Coca subsequently agreed to help him out.

I get what you're point is, but I think there is a difference between both players deciding how the match will go, and one player taking it upon himself to throw his games as a sign of sportsmanship.
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Flameling
Profile Joined July 2010
United States413 Posts
November 15 2011 05:22 GMT
#408
On November 15 2011 14:18 setzer wrote:
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On November 15 2011 14:09 Flameling wrote:
On November 15 2011 14:07 VPCursed wrote:
On November 15 2011 14:05 Flameling wrote:
On November 15 2011 13:41 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Banning the players permanently, or kicking the player entirely is too extreme imo. Temporary punishment would be more reasonable. This was stupid and disrespectful to the viewers, but it doesn't sound like any serious match fixing. Just two kids fucking around.


Kespa would like a word with you...

you seriously cant compare the incident with what happened in BW.

you always seem to be on my ass, but w/e. This "match-fixing" might not be to the same extent as the ones that occured in BW, but match-fixing is match-fixing.


Except it isn't match-fixing because the result wasn't a predetermination between both players with a third-party paying them to fix the result. It was spontaneous and stupid but that is it. Coca can be reprimanded for his actions but the way Mr. Chae and SlayerS are going about it is close to destroying his career. Public opinion in Korea is especially harsh and I'm sure some people won't be happy until CoCa is forced to never be able to play SC2 professionally again.


Does match-fixing really always have to have money involved? The match was FIXED by them, seen from the game, when one player asked the other to leave.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
November 15 2011 05:22 GMT
#409
On November 15 2011 13:53 juicyjames wrote:
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On November 15 2011 13:50 creamer wrote:
Demuslim once left 2 games without even starting to send IdrA through to some tournament..........

This was in the North American qualifiers for ESWC. EGDeMusliM realized he couldn't make it to the tournament so he forfeited his games vs EGIdrA, which allowed IdrA to qualify. This sent DeMusliM to the loser's bracket where he also forfeited his games vs EGAxslav, also allowing Axslav to qualify.


Yeah coca did the same thing as demuslim. It's just that match fixing is taken way more seriously in korea due to past history than it is in the foreign scene.
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HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
November 15 2011 05:23 GMT
#410
Doesn't sound like a very big deal.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
November 15 2011 05:23 GMT
#411
On November 15 2011 14:20 furymonkey wrote:
I think this excessive reaction is good, because it serve as a warning for everyone, that match fixing will not be tolerated.
This case is also a good one to make example of, because it isn't serious. That is right, Coca and Byun will be returning soon enough, and no real harm is done to the sc2 scene. It is perfect case to serve as a warning with no damage done.

If real match fixing happened, not matter how harsh the punishment is, it would be deal a huge blow to starcraft 2. Just view this as a positive thing.



No damage huh? Except to CoCa who is now out of the opportunity to make 40K in Code-S and another 50K in Providence. But hey that is nothing at all! All is good!

Ban him from ESV but he shouldn't be kicked out of his home and forced out GSL.
Shaok
Profile Joined October 2010
297 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 05:24:22
November 15 2011 05:23 GMT
#412
On November 15 2011 14:21 Redmark wrote:
It's not match-fixing, Christ.

It's dumb, but it's not match-fixing. Not everyone in jail committed murder. Some of them are there for a couple of nights for getting drunk and punching a guy.


Choosing to lose on purpose in an important match to another player is definitely match fixing lol.

You're allowed to be okay with it.
slicknav
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
November 15 2011 05:23 GMT
#413
On November 15 2011 14:19 GhoSt[shield] wrote:
Nestea looks at one the young cerebrates (Coca) clamoring/longing for his creep strewn Throne of Drones.

These were his only words for the young challenger.

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On November 15 2011 14:11 Clefairy wrote:
NesTea's official statement:

[image loading]

Wtf... Don't they have brains tsk tsk tsk







to be fair compared to Nestea most people might as well not have brains...regardless of what they do.
blah blah blah...
Apaquin
Profile Joined June 2011
United States27 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 05:26:04
November 15 2011 05:23 GMT
#414
Is it really match fixing when one player publicly surrenders to the other? The tournament should have disallowed chatting if they didn't want people to chat in certain instances.(Maybe no tournament should for this exact reason) This shows the frivolity of e-sports more than anything. If this happened in any other type of competitive game in the world, it wouldn't be called match fixing it would be called really dumb on coca's part.

And byun too? So if you make some joke asking your opponent to leave and they do it, you're now a match fixer? How is byun responsible for coca leaving again? Why did it even go on to a third game if the tournament had a problem with the situation?

I think those running the korean weekly should be punished, if anyone. Why did they let the situation continue on like that? Ya so these guys were doing something we didn't approve of and so we didn't intervene and just like them do whatever they pleased. If you don't take your tournament seriously why should the players?
ha
archonOOid
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
1983 Posts
November 15 2011 05:24 GMT
#415
maybe this ESV tournament isn't such a big deal and maybe slayers punishment was too harsh? As a zerg player I feel sorry for Coca.
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Rainmaker21
Profile Joined August 2011
United States29 Posts
November 15 2011 05:24 GMT
#416
I think I may be a bad person, because when I heard this, my first though was "Damn! I wish he was in HuK's group..."
jinixxx123
Profile Joined June 2010
543 Posts
November 15 2011 05:25 GMT
#417
On November 15 2011 14:21 Redmark wrote:
It's not match-fixing, Christ.

It's dumb, but it's not match-fixing. Not everyone in jail committed murder. Some of them are there for a couple of nights for getting drunk and punching a guy.



so what would you call this? throwing a game? you make no sense, This is match fixing. It was intentional of coca to loose the game.
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 05:25:35
November 15 2011 05:25 GMT
#418
On November 15 2011 14:23 Shaok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 14:21 Redmark wrote:
It's not match-fixing, Christ.

It's dumb, but it's not match-fixing. Not everyone in jail committed murder. Some of them are there for a couple of nights for getting drunk and punching a guy.


Choosing to lose on purpose in an important match to another player is definitely match fixing lol.

You're allowed to be okay with it.

Good thing it wasn't an important match and they weren't team mates huh.

people are way over reacting over this. it's not like there was a code A spot for this weekly anyway. they were just having some fun.
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anrimayu
Profile Joined June 2011
United States875 Posts
November 15 2011 05:25 GMT
#419
@junkka83 박준규
Match fixing = killing esports. Anyone making death threat to esports deserves punishment.

And Jessica/Boxer were going to kick Coca out of the team.

I think I'll side with Boxer and John.
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Jaxtyk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States600 Posts
November 15 2011 05:25 GMT
#420
On November 15 2011 14:23 slicknav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 14:19 GhoSt[shield] wrote:
Nestea looks at one the young cerebrates (Coca) clamoring/longing for his creep strewn Throne of Drones.

These were his only words for the young challenger.

On November 15 2011 14:11 Clefairy wrote:
NesTea's official statement:

[image loading]

Wtf... Don't they have brains tsk tsk tsk







to be fair compared to Nestea most people might as well not have brains...regardless of what they do.


According to Artosis Nestea has a trillion IQ.

OT: Sad indeed. I saw the thread and just thought of it as a joke, but turns out it's really serious and the consequences are harsh T_T
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