EPTCoca forfeits Code S due to ESV weekly scandal - Page 21
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slicknav
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desRow
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Redmark
Canada2129 Posts
It's dumb, but it's not match-fixing. Not everyone in jail committed murder. Some of them are there for a couple of nights for getting drunk and punching a guy. | ||
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Alvis
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Namu
United States826 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:17 Hattori_Hanzo wrote: That certainly explains WHY he threw the match, but to do it openly? Come on... How does that explain why he threw the match? Code A seed was irrelevant to this tournament. Coca just threw the match because he's good friends with Byun. Not because he's qualified for GSL or something. It was just a retarded thing to do by both coca and byun, but it definitely was not match fixing. (unless you include intentionally throwing matches with no relation to money or anything as match fixing) | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:16 Redmark wrote: How doesn't it work? If gimix wants to play White-ra in a fair match, play after the tournament. It's entirely the same. What if Byun fucks up his build because his dog licked his face? Is that honorable enough that CoCa can forfeit the game? Rules are rules. Showing up on time is a rule. The biggest difference is that White-Ra didn't request the action from his opponent. His opponent took it upon himself to throw 2 games. In this particular case, it's clear the Byun ASKED for Coca to throw the match, and Coca subsequently agreed to help him out. I get what you're point is, but I think there is a difference between both players deciding how the match will go, and one player taking it upon himself to throw his games as a sign of sportsmanship. | ||
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Flameling
United States413 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:18 setzer wrote: Except it isn't match-fixing because the result wasn't a predetermination between both players with a third-party paying them to fix the result. It was spontaneous and stupid but that is it. Coca can be reprimanded for his actions but the way Mr. Chae and SlayerS are going about it is close to destroying his career. Public opinion in Korea is especially harsh and I'm sure some people won't be happy until CoCa is forced to never be able to play SC2 professionally again. Does match-fixing really always have to have money involved? The match was FIXED by them, seen from the game, when one player asked the other to leave. | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
On November 15 2011 13:53 juicyjames wrote: This was in the North American qualifiers for ESWC. EGDeMusliM realized he couldn't make it to the tournament so he forfeited his games vs EGIdrA, which allowed IdrA to qualify. This sent DeMusliM to the loser's bracket where he also forfeited his games vs EGAxslav, also allowing Axslav to qualify. Yeah coca did the same thing as demuslim. It's just that match fixing is taken way more seriously in korea due to past history than it is in the foreign scene. | ||
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HeroHenry
United States1723 Posts
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:20 furymonkey wrote: I think this excessive reaction is good, because it serve as a warning for everyone, that match fixing will not be tolerated. This case is also a good one to make example of, because it isn't serious. That is right, Coca and Byun will be returning soon enough, and no real harm is done to the sc2 scene. It is perfect case to serve as a warning with no damage done. If real match fixing happened, not matter how harsh the punishment is, it would be deal a huge blow to starcraft 2. Just view this as a positive thing. No damage huh? Except to CoCa who is now out of the opportunity to make 40K in Code-S and another 50K in Providence. But hey that is nothing at all! All is good! Ban him from ESV but he shouldn't be kicked out of his home and forced out GSL. | ||
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Shaok
297 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:21 Redmark wrote: It's not match-fixing, Christ. It's dumb, but it's not match-fixing. Not everyone in jail committed murder. Some of them are there for a couple of nights for getting drunk and punching a guy. Choosing to lose on purpose in an important match to another player is definitely match fixing lol. You're allowed to be okay with it. | ||
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slicknav
1409 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:19 GhoSt[shield] wrote: Nestea looks at one the young cerebrates (Coca) clamoring/longing for his creep strewn Throne of Drones. These were his only words for the young challenger. to be fair compared to Nestea most people might as well not have brains...regardless of what they do. | ||
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Apaquin
United States27 Posts
And byun too? So if you make some joke asking your opponent to leave and they do it, you're now a match fixer? How is byun responsible for coca leaving again? Why did it even go on to a third game if the tournament had a problem with the situation? I think those running the korean weekly should be punished, if anyone. Why did they let the situation continue on like that? Ya so these guys were doing something we didn't approve of and so we didn't intervene and just like them do whatever they pleased. If you don't take your tournament seriously why should the players? | ||
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archonOOid
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Rainmaker21
United States29 Posts
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jinixxx123
543 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:21 Redmark wrote: It's not match-fixing, Christ. It's dumb, but it's not match-fixing. Not everyone in jail committed murder. Some of them are there for a couple of nights for getting drunk and punching a guy. so what would you call this? throwing a game? you make no sense, This is match fixing. It was intentional of coca to loose the game. | ||
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Corrosive
Canada3741 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:23 Shaok wrote: Choosing to lose on purpose in an important match to another player is definitely match fixing lol. You're allowed to be okay with it. Good thing it wasn't an important match and they weren't team mates huh. people are way over reacting over this. it's not like there was a code A spot for this weekly anyway. they were just having some fun. | ||
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anrimayu
United States875 Posts
Match fixing = killing esports. Anyone making death threat to esports deserves punishment. And Jessica/Boxer were going to kick Coca out of the team. I think I'll side with Boxer and John. | ||
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Jaxtyk
United States600 Posts
On November 15 2011 14:23 slicknav wrote: to be fair compared to Nestea most people might as well not have brains...regardless of what they do. According to Artosis Nestea has a trillion IQ. OT: Sad indeed. I saw the thread and just thought of it as a joke, but turns out it's really serious and the consequences are harsh T_T | ||
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