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genius_man16
Profile Joined February 2011
United States749 Posts
November 15 2011 05:25 GMT
#421
Holy hell, this is not good for a huge number of reasons as has been stated before me.

Hopefully this doesn't hurt E-sports too much :/
Dyrus | Vooby | Balls | Meteos | WildTurtle | Bjergsen | Cop | sexPeke | Xpecial | Aphromoo | Scarra |
ThePlayer33
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia2378 Posts
November 15 2011 05:26 GMT
#422
WTF COCA, I WAS HOPING FOR YOU TO WIN CODE S.

i am raging. why the !@#$ would coca do this. why. why~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~DAMMIT
| Idra | YuGiOh | Leenock | Coca |
Fubi
Profile Joined March 2011
2228 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 05:29:39
November 15 2011 05:26 GMT
#423
I don't understand how this is match fixing in technical terms. Seems to me Coca let Byun win a won game so Byun gets a chance at Code A. How is this any different from when OgsTheWind handing OgsSuperNova a won game? Only diff I see is Byun/Coca is stupid enough to chat about it in game lol.

Yes it's wrong, but people are definitely overreacting imo. It's a misstep but not big enough to ruin the career of a rare promising zerg

*edit: wait, there isn't even a code A spot for this? Can someone confirm/deny? If there isn't then this is definitely even worst; he doesn't deserve this form of punishment.
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
November 15 2011 05:26 GMT
#424
I dunno to me this seems like a massive over reaction and a small misstep by Coca has given him such severe punishment, he probably didn't even think of consequences such as this.
ლ(╹◡╹ლ)
Redmark
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2129 Posts
November 15 2011 05:27 GMT
#425
Match fixing = agreeing to do it before-hand. That's what 'fixing' means.
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
November 15 2011 05:27 GMT
#426
On November 15 2011 14:23 slicknav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 14:19 GhoSt[shield] wrote:
Nestea looks at one the young cerebrates (Coca) clamoring/longing for his creep strewn Throne of Drones.

These were his only words for the young challenger.

On November 15 2011 14:11 Clefairy wrote:
NesTea's official statement:

[image loading]

Wtf... Don't they have brains tsk tsk tsk







to be fair compared to Nestea most people might as well not have brains...regardless of what they do.


Yeah, fun fact he's not even talking about the match fixing he's talking about Rocket Scientists.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46108 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-15 05:28:51
November 15 2011 05:27 GMT
#427
On November 15 2011 14:16 Fionn wrote:
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On November 15 2011 14:14 Hattori_Hanzo wrote:
On November 15 2011 13:51 SniXSniPe wrote:
Honestly the punishments seem over the top. The BW scandal, was entirely different and involved vast sums of money and much more important matches.

Plus CoCa and Byun are both still quite young to make stupid mistakes--- they obviously didn't realize how big an issue it was, chatting in game about it. Nobody would chat about it if they didn't think it was a big deal... that's not even attempting to hide it.


Right, so if Tiger Woods walked out of a Satellite tournementto give his spot to his friend (since he's already) qualified, announcing it on live television in the same manner as in this case, he should have no consequences at all?

My pro-golfer friend would totally have a screaming fit... seriously.
What they did was so fucking disrespectful it is not even funny.
At the very least, forfeit to some shit excuse, at least show you respect the tournament and the work to organise it.

I mean, can you imagine all that work of running and organising a contest and a contestant mid-event announces, "I'm going to forfeit so my friend here can advance. I'm going to go now, Peace y'all".
Their stunt was a huge slap in the face of the organisers and the sponsors.
Any wonder Boxer was mad.


This ESV had no Code A spot for the winner. Coca literally forfeited the game because he thought it would be funny/wanted to continue bullshitting with Byun. He and Byun were just being dumbass kids playing video games non-seriously during a serious tournament.


If you think that that level of immaturity is acceptable and an appropriate perspective on a game that people are trying to make a profession out of (especially when you're playing on Boxer's team), then I don't think you understand how serious tournaments and sports are in general.

You realize what they did is technically match-fixing right? No, they didn't plan it ahead of time, but they still ended up cheating the system and breaking the rules by having one person lose on purpose so that the other person could automatically progress to the next round. You can't laugh it off as "Oh they're just being kids" when you have players playing for tens of thousands of dollars in similar tournaments and relying on everyone playing by the rules and not throwing games.

And dammit, I really liked Coca. But seriously, what an idiotic thing for him to do.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
November 15 2011 05:28 GMT
#428
On November 15 2011 14:25 jinixxx123 wrote:
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On November 15 2011 14:21 Redmark wrote:
It's not match-fixing, Christ.

It's dumb, but it's not match-fixing. Not everyone in jail committed murder. Some of them are there for a couple of nights for getting drunk and punching a guy.



so what would you call this? throwing a game? you make no sense, This is match fixing. It was intentional of coca to loose the game.

I'd call it throwing a game. No third-party money involved, no premeditated "I'm going to lose so you can advance." Not match-fixing, IMO.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
November 15 2011 05:28 GMT
#429
On November 15 2011 14:25 jinixxx123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 14:21 Redmark wrote:
It's not match-fixing, Christ.

It's dumb, but it's not match-fixing. Not everyone in jail committed murder. Some of them are there for a couple of nights for getting drunk and punching a guy.



so what would you call this? throwing a game? you make no sense, This is match fixing. It was intentional of coca to loose the game.


Did CoCa benefit in anyway leaving the game? no

Did the BW match-fixers benefit from what they did? Absolutely

People need to stop comparing apples to oranges.
Refused.
Profile Joined March 2011
United States108 Posts
November 15 2011 05:28 GMT
#430
Why in the world is a Code S player playing in a tournament, which has a grand prize of a Code A spot, in the first place?
furymonkey
Profile Joined December 2008
New Zealand1587 Posts
November 15 2011 05:28 GMT
#431
On November 15 2011 14:23 setzer wrote:
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On November 15 2011 14:20 furymonkey wrote:
I think this excessive reaction is good, because it serve as a warning for everyone, that match fixing will not be tolerated.
This case is also a good one to make example of, because it isn't serious. That is right, Coca and Byun will be returning soon enough, and no real harm is done to the sc2 scene. It is perfect case to serve as a warning with no damage done.

If real match fixing happened, not matter how harsh the punishment is, it would be deal a huge blow to starcraft 2. Just view this as a positive thing.



No damage huh? Except to CoCa who is now out of the opportunity to make 40K in Code-S and another 50K in Providence. But hey that is nothing at all! All is good!

Ban him from ESV but he shouldn't be kicked out of his home and forced out GSL.


I'm talking from the scene's perspective. Face it, the money wouldn't be there in the first place without a clean and well supported scene from the public. Players salary and prize money are from those.
Leenock the Punisher
mcmartini
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Australia1972 Posts
November 15 2011 05:28 GMT
#432
I wouldn't call it match-fixing, that's generally a predetermined result, which this wasn't. I would however call it incredibly stupid and irresponsible of both players involved.
I just want to say I have 370 APM - Liquid'Tyler SotG 14-12-2011 "I mean it's too bad you can't be paid to be, you know, a chicken shit fucking whiny bitch on the internet or we would have lots of rich community members" Nick "Tasteless" Plott
KhAmun
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1005 Posts
November 15 2011 05:28 GMT
#433
...
This is seriously disappointing.
His builds were always so damn good zvp, how could he let this happen?
Dragonmaster26
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia311 Posts
November 15 2011 05:28 GMT
#434
On November 15 2011 13:30 Fionn wrote:
It is considered match-fixing and due to last year's gigantic scandal in Brood War, they had to come down hard on Coca. Coca and Byun were close friends on ZeNex, and they were just having fun on an online tournament. They're both young and were just playing around. Coca probably thought it was no big deal, just having fun with his buddy and then it all blew up in his face.

Really sucks. I had him sixth in my Power Rank. Now he is out of the GSL entirely. Sad day.


The Fionn curse strikes again
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
November 15 2011 05:28 GMT
#435
Wow.. I was really looking forward to seeing how well he would do this season..
publicenemies
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
458 Posts
November 15 2011 05:28 GMT
#436
2 years in and there's already match fixing lol
synaptik
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada644 Posts
November 15 2011 05:29 GMT
#437
coca should've just pulled a naniwa and leave without gg.
pileopoop
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada317 Posts
November 15 2011 05:29 GMT
#438
This isnt match fixing, leaving a game to let someone win doesn't benefit you at all.
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
November 15 2011 05:30 GMT
#439
On November 15 2011 14:28 furymonkey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2011 14:23 setzer wrote:
On November 15 2011 14:20 furymonkey wrote:
I think this excessive reaction is good, because it serve as a warning for everyone, that match fixing will not be tolerated.
This case is also a good one to make example of, because it isn't serious. That is right, Coca and Byun will be returning soon enough, and no real harm is done to the sc2 scene. It is perfect case to serve as a warning with no damage done.

If real match fixing happened, not matter how harsh the punishment is, it would be deal a huge blow to starcraft 2. Just view this as a positive thing.



No damage huh? Except to CoCa who is now out of the opportunity to make 40K in Code-S and another 50K in Providence. But hey that is nothing at all! All is good!

Ban him from ESV but he shouldn't be kicked out of his home and forced out GSL.


I'm talking from the scene's perspective. Face it, the money wouldn't be there in the first place without a clean and well supported scene from the public. Players salary and prize money are from those.


You greatly overestimate how much the Korean public actually cares about SC2.
renaissanceMAN
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1840 Posts
November 15 2011 05:30 GMT
#440
jesus christ...

really hope this doesn't become more widespread, I don't want to read another "nestea/mvp" fixing thread
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