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I actually dont mind waiting until 2013 for HotS. To be honest, I think a new expansion for SC2 would hurt it's professional scene. Not exactly it's excitement or flare, per say, but it will raise a lot of questions for all leagues. Will they switch? Will players follow? Another year of casters claiming things aren't balanced, so we need to wait until things are to figure the game out?
Personally, I like SC2's current state of the game. Things seem very balanced and at the same time, exciting. Maps play a huge part, which makes the game flexible and constantly new. Like, every time a new map is introduced to a tournament, I feel all excited and want to see how each race (Protoss) plays it.
New units, new ability, new maps, new features... all these things create a new learning curve for everyone. It may lose a lot of fans (viewers) of the major leagues for that extended period of time. Mainly because the game is widely spread as "unknown". I just hate when casters used to say, "Well, this may not actually be the right thing to do because this and that could counter it but no one is doing it because the game is new and hasn't been played enough." Jeezus, figure skating, Crest. How about you just say, "That was a new strategy and worked so well, the other player wasn't prepared! I would love to see how it's countered in the future."
Okay, last half of that paragraph was very opinion based. But hopefully some other crazy-like-me peeplz understand what I'm trying to get across.
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On November 09 2011 11:53 imEnex wrote:
Will it be like BW where you need to buy the original and the expansion? So I would need to buy WoL + HotS? (around 100+ value T_T)
What do you think?
Of course you need WoL, this was stated from the very beginning that to get everything you need WoL HotS and LotV (even tough people love to claim otherwise they never shown proof of it)
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I honestly don't think SC2 can survive until 2013 without HotS.
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On November 09 2011 12:19 Hinanawi wrote:
I honestly don't think SC2 can survive until 2013 without HotS.
What makes you think that when the scene's still expanding?
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You guys miss the part.
MAJOR GAME RELEASES
diablo 3
call of duty w/e
expansions ie not stand alone game releases so not mentioned as so
hots
MOP
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On November 09 2011 12:12 Assirra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 11:53 imEnex wrote:
Will it be like BW where you need to buy the original and the expansion? So I would need to buy WoL + HotS? (around 100+ value T_T)
What do you think? Of course you need WoL, this was stated from the very beginning that to get everything you need WoL HotS and LotV (even tough people love to claim otherwise they never shown proof of it)
Well I remember reading somewhere that LotV will be single player only as currently conceived, so it presumably would not require HoTS, and if you don't play campaign then it wont matter.
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On November 09 2011 10:56 RoninMajiks wrote:
There is no way I can see MoP being released before HotS. Not only was MoP announced less than a month ago, they still have the last major content patch for Cata to come out and then another patch to transition into MoP. From this we can assume MoP coming out either very late Q4 of 2012 or early in 2013. Either way I would be VERY surprised if HotS was released any later than Q2 of next year, and dumbfounded if HotS came out later than Q3.
Plus like others have said, Blizz said a MINIMUM of 3 major releases. I would take that to mean D3, HotS, and MoP are all coming out next year.
This. They just announced the WoW expo. No reason to expect it out before the end of next year at the absolute best case scenario.
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On November 09 2011 12:22 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 12:19 Hinanawi wrote:
I honestly don't think SC2 can survive until 2013 without HotS. What makes you think that when the scene's still expanding?
A whole mess of other 'esports' hopeful games are coming out this coming year, and the HotS units address fundamental design flaws in WoL which are desperately needed sooner rather than later.
I have high hopes that HotS will make SC2 more exciting to watch, but waiting over a year for it?
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hmm well Diablo 3 is obviously one of the two. I wouldn't mind a late 2012 HoTS release or even an early 2013. As long as there is a beta we'll be able to watch the pros play on it anyways. Hopefully the other major release is HoTS and not the WoW expansion though =/
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On November 09 2011 12:25 aksfjh wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 10:56 RoninMajiks wrote:
There is no way I can see MoP being released before HotS. Not only was MoP announced less than a month ago, they still have the last major content patch for Cata to come out and then another patch to transition into MoP. From this we can assume MoP coming out either very late Q4 of 2012 or early in 2013. Either way I would be VERY surprised if HotS was released any later than Q2 of next year, and dumbfounded if HotS came out later than Q3.
Plus like others have said, Blizz said a MINIMUM of 3 major releases. I would take that to mean D3, HotS, and MoP are all coming out next year. This. They just announced the WoW expo. No reason to expect it out before the end of next year at the absolute best case scenario.
They usually spend the bulk of the previous expansion's life cycle developing the next one, but don't announce it until Blizzcon. Cataclysm was announced at the exact same time, and came out in December of the following year. Due to the recent sub drops, I absolutely see them wanting it out by November/December of 2012.
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Mists was barely in pre alpha at the time of blizzcon. Wow takes much longer to test retest and create content for. Hots will release next yr with mop at fastest late next yr but likely early 2013. Have no fear.
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My guess:
Diablo 3: Early 2012
SC2 - HotS: Mid 2012
Wow Pandas: Late 2012
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BW was rushed because vanilla Starcraft was hopelessly broken, among other things I have no knowledge of. That's not the case with WoL, with still evolving metagame and relative stable balance, despite some slight Terran OPness only in the highest of levels of play. HotS can wait if it means better and more polished final product. Second half of 2012 sounds reasonable to me, but I'm guessing earlier.
Diablo 3 on the other hand.... ohhhh boy I can't wait
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when will some blizzard executive take his/her ass out of their heads AND MAKE A FUCKING WARCRAFT 4 ?
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On November 09 2011 10:16 hmunkey wrote:
They could count HotS as a major release I guess, but I don't know why they would. I guess it's major in the sense that it'll sell around half a million to a million copies, but I'd expect Blizzard to reserve that designation for something much bigger.
In all likelihood HotS just isn't what Activision-Blizzard considers to be a "major release."
Its a major release for the blizzard studio, it may not be a major release in the eyes of activision but that doesnt really matter as its 2 major titles coming fromm the blizzard studio. If a wow expansion is considered major, then a sc2 expansion would be as well (regardless of profit differential)
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On November 09 2011 12:44 Tchado wrote:
when will some blizzard executive take his/her ass out of their heads AND MAKE A FUCKING WARCRAFT 4 ?
Because it doesn't make much sense to create a static installment when the universe is changing every couple months?
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On November 09 2011 12:34 Kazeyonoma wrote:
Mists was barely in pre alpha at the time of blizzcon. Wow takes much longer to test retest and create content for. Hots will release next yr with mop at fastest late next yr but likely early 2013. Have no fear.
I agree, I don't see MoP coming out next year for several reasons. For one, there was a very long gap in WotLK between the last major content patch and the cata expansion, which from the release schedule of the next cata patches it seems like blizzard has learned their lesson. Also, there was strong backlash from the community for Blizzard releasing an incomplete expansion out the door before it was truly ready. I know Blizzard does not want to make that same mistake again, but Activision might not really care.
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On November 09 2011 12:22 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 12:19 Hinanawi wrote:
I honestly don't think SC2 can survive until 2013 without HotS. What makes you think that when the scene's still expanding?
I really wouldnt say the scene is still expanding (sure in some way it very well may be) but popularity wise i feel like it may have settled down a bit. Sure live viewership at MLG/ Blizzcon was great, but stream numbers are down thats for sure. Compare finals stream numbers from 6 months ago till now. Also notice how MLG hasnt broken any streaming records with their past 2 MLG's as they would have announced them shortly after the tournaments like they did with columbus and Raleigh (it went columbus raleigh anaheim right?) One things for certain from what i have observed in the past few months, stream viewership is certainly down, NASL is lucky to get 5k for their main stream on weekdays (used to easily be double that) i noticed the IEM finals having low viewership as well, i just never see any of the justin TV streams nearing 60k for the event and close to 100k for the finals anymore.
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On November 09 2011 12:45 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 12:44 Tchado wrote:
when will some blizzard executive take his/her ass out of their heads AND MAKE A FUCKING WARCRAFT 4 ?
Because it doesn't make much sense to create a static installment when the universe is changing every couple months?
the hell are you talking about ? I mean if they create a warcraft 4 , like wc3 but better (if possible) and a story line that does not take into account the wow mess ups
wc4 makes total sense , sc2 is a great game but fails to be as fun and awesome as wc3 , this is my opinion , not imposing it on anyone.
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On November 09 2011 12:29 Daralii wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2011 12:25 aksfjh wrote:On November 09 2011 10:56 RoninMajiks wrote:
There is no way I can see MoP being released before HotS. Not only was MoP announced less than a month ago, they still have the last major content patch for Cata to come out and then another patch to transition into MoP. From this we can assume MoP coming out either very late Q4 of 2012 or early in 2013. Either way I would be VERY surprised if HotS was released any later than Q2 of next year, and dumbfounded if HotS came out later than Q3.
Plus like others have said, Blizz said a MINIMUM of 3 major releases. I would take that to mean D3, HotS, and MoP are all coming out next year. This. They just announced the WoW expo. No reason to expect it out before the end of next year at the absolute best case scenario. They usually spend the bulk of the previous expansion's life cycle developing the next one, but don't announce it until Blizzcon. Cataclysm was announced at the exact same time, and came out in December of the following year. Due to the recent sub drops, I absolutely see them wanting it out by November/December of 2012.
they have already said they are wanting to make wow tiers shorter and that the tier that will be released this month is last of cata. Mop will be here within 6-7 months or wow will be dead cause everyone would quit.
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