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Jojo131
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil1631 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 08:22:48
November 08 2011 08:21 GMT
#161
I really hope that this doesn't mean we'll never have another international SC2 event here in the Philippines ><

I had so much fun...
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
November 08 2011 08:25 GMT
#162
On November 08 2011 17:10 jyLee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 16:54 Shel wrote:
Some people will take a loot at a situation and turn a blind eye to the bad parts. For Rachel to say that the problem was "that the organizers just didn't have the resources or experience to hold the tournament" is like saying the Nazi's problem was that they had all these guns and tanks and soldiers. (I'm not comparing anyone to nazis). It's the choices that were made that affected other people that is the problem here. The promises made and broken, the people lied to and stabbed in the back, the contracts broken. The shady and underhanded bullshit. People that do things like that in other sports get spotted and outted and never come back again. That's what needs to happen here.


Seems like there are people on TL who disagree with you on this.

If you're referring to me, I'm not disagreeing. He needs to be sanctioned and blacklisted.

I just don't agree with the reaction, and the fact that he hasn't had time to defend himself, considering he's busy running a failing event. Yeah, there's not much he can say to defend himself. But picking on a guy who hasn't had the time to own up is just silly.

PS: This is being called objective btw.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 08:33:30
November 08 2011 08:30 GMT
#163
Just like real life, but even more, the internet is full of scammers. Seems to be Gus most likely used some money for personal benefits aswell as his position in tournament to give AZK benefits.

Though he is the biggest asshole around, i have to admit i am a bit dissapointed in IPL (they are probably more dissapointed themselves too) for not properly background checking these guys.
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
PresenceSc2
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4032 Posts
November 08 2011 08:30 GMT
#164
SEA finally getting some attention and its all bout this bullshit
Stephano//HerO//TaeJa//Squirtle//Bomber
MagickMan
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia498 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 08:47:11
November 08 2011 08:46 GMT
#165
SOTG is going to be epic this* week
EricCartman
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada306 Posts
November 08 2011 08:55 GMT
#166
Time to reel in Walter White to hand Gus..
jyLee
Profile Joined August 2009
United States350 Posts
November 08 2011 08:58 GMT
#167
On November 08 2011 17:25 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 17:10 jyLee wrote:
On November 08 2011 16:54 Shel wrote:
Some people will take a loot at a situation and turn a blind eye to the bad parts. For Rachel to say that the problem was "that the organizers just didn't have the resources or experience to hold the tournament" is like saying the Nazi's problem was that they had all these guns and tanks and soldiers. (I'm not comparing anyone to nazis). It's the choices that were made that affected other people that is the problem here. The promises made and broken, the people lied to and stabbed in the back, the contracts broken. The shady and underhanded bullshit. People that do things like that in other sports get spotted and outted and never come back again. That's what needs to happen here.


Seems like there are people on TL who disagree with you on this.

If you're referring to me, I'm not disagreeing. He needs to be sanctioned and blacklisted.

I just don't agree with the reaction, and the fact that he hasn't had time to defend himself, considering he's busy running a failing event. Yeah, there's not much he can say to defend himself. But picking on a guy who hasn't had the time to own up is just silly.

PS: This is being called objective btw.


Nothing you've said is objective. First you say we should stfu and stand behind a tainted tournament because reputable peope like Rachel/Tastosis are standing behind it. Now you want people to wait for Gus to come out and defend/own up before people flame him. The very person you agree should be blacklisted and and sanctioned because his guilt has been proven without a doubt already. You pick on someone after they admit their sins and ask for forgiveness? What kind of broke logic is that. You're just trying to pick a fight for no reason so you can stop now.
naux
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada738 Posts
November 08 2011 08:59 GMT
#168
i always knew this teamazk was a bunch of scammers i always see them make threads about korean players joining them and etc but never got a actual confirm cant believe the mods on teamliquid didnt pick up on it
pbjsandwich
Profile Joined August 2010
United States443 Posts
November 08 2011 09:02 GMT
#169
can people please just ignore jylee

he can't be reasoned with
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
November 08 2011 09:04 GMT
#170
On November 08 2011 12:57 pbjsandwich wrote:
But no one is going to sue him for breaking the contract


I don't think so, YoonYJ might not sue him because it's a relative small damage for him, but IGN will at least check out what they can do legally as the organizers didn't fulfill their obligations.

In the end that gus guy screwed everyone and if he is not sued he is at least dead for esports. Seriously, how can he ever expect to get a sponsor on board? To get into famous leagues, to be invited as a team. He just spat the whole community in its face and - to my knowledge - didn't even explain himself till now. Goodbye, AZK, sorry for your players who will get hit by some of this inevitably.
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
jyLee
Profile Joined August 2009
United States350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 09:05:12
November 08 2011 09:04 GMT
#171
On November 08 2011 18:02 pbjsandwich wrote:
can people please just ignore jylee

he can't be reasoned with


I'm just going to guess you're filipino so you feel the need to defend Gus somehow and taking this personal.

User was temp banned for this post.
legendre20
Profile Joined November 2010
United States316 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 09:09:12
November 08 2011 09:07 GMT
#172
Yeah I couldn't watch the stream at all. Yesterday obviously with all of the internet and technical difficulties they had I didn't watch for very long, but today was almost as bad. The stream was still extremely laggy, and aside from maybe one or two games casted by Tastetosis, they had these two unbelievably terrible casters filling in for them.

So needless to say I was already pretty pissed off at PPSL for having a complete meltdown with thousands of people watching, but now that all of this is surfacing I don't know what to think. It was also very evident that they were prioritizing AZK members on the live stream, as they showed very VERY mediocre players, instead of high level players such as Sen vs Inka.

As others have stated I definitely expect lawsuits to be filed very shortly by IGN if they do not receive a refund, but yeah, at least in my eyes, I'm never watching any AZK player again.
"Sen, lings are OP" - HelloKittySS /// <3 http://www.twitch.tv/legendre20 <3
MyTaeyeony
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2 Posts
November 08 2011 09:08 GMT
#173
i think everyone should send hate mail to Gus' inbox http://www.facebook.com/gus.ledesma#!/gus.ledesma
D_K_night
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada615 Posts
November 08 2011 09:14 GMT
#174
On November 08 2011 12:58 Zandar wrote:
The least thing we should do is tell Tasteless he has to choose his drinking partners more carefully


we need a statement from Tasteless

This is a terrible turn of events and hopefully IGN/IPL is able to pick up the pieces. This just goes to show you that, no matter where you go, there are crooks and thus all business dealings with unknowns like Gus needs to be highly scrutinized.
Canada
D_K_night
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada615 Posts
November 08 2011 09:16 GMT
#175
On November 08 2011 17:58 jyLee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 17:25 pdd wrote:
On November 08 2011 17:10 jyLee wrote:
On November 08 2011 16:54 Shel wrote:
Some people will take a loot at a situation and turn a blind eye to the bad parts. For Rachel to say that the problem was "that the organizers just didn't have the resources or experience to hold the tournament" is like saying the Nazi's problem was that they had all these guns and tanks and soldiers. (I'm not comparing anyone to nazis). It's the choices that were made that affected other people that is the problem here. The promises made and broken, the people lied to and stabbed in the back, the contracts broken. The shady and underhanded bullshit. People that do things like that in other sports get spotted and outted and never come back again. That's what needs to happen here.


Seems like there are people on TL who disagree with you on this.

If you're referring to me, I'm not disagreeing. He needs to be sanctioned and blacklisted.

I just don't agree with the reaction, and the fact that he hasn't had time to defend himself, considering he's busy running a failing event. Yeah, there's not much he can say to defend himself. But picking on a guy who hasn't had the time to own up is just silly.

PS: This is being called objective btw.


Nothing you've said is objective. First you say we should stfu and stand behind a tainted tournament because reputable peope like Rachel/Tastosis are standing behind it. Now you want people to wait for Gus to come out and defend/own up before people flame him. The very person you agree should be blacklisted and and sanctioned because his guilt has been proven without a doubt already. You pick on someone after they admit their sins and ask for forgiveness? What kind of broke logic is that. You're just trying to pick a fight for no reason so you can stop now.


That's right. Gus is a scammer, just look at how YoonYJ was treated. You can't be blind to what happened to him. Don't skim over YoonYJ's page - take your time and READ every word.

Definitely watch out for this guy, once a crook always a crook.
Canada
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15355 Posts
November 08 2011 09:22 GMT
#176
On November 08 2011 17:59 naux wrote:
i always knew this teamazk was a bunch of scammers i always see them make threads about korean players joining them and etc but never got a actual confirm cant believe the mods on teamliquid didnt pick up on it

What exactly is the moderation team supposed to do about something like this?
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
dreadmourn
Profile Joined November 2011
Philippines4 Posts
November 08 2011 09:26 GMT
#177
Forget whatever Team AZK for now, the damage has been done I'm pretty sure swift justice will be served. The tournament is still on going, for the laggy streams I'm pretty sure replays will be uploaded on days to come for us to enjoy, hopefully they will send this replays to IGN for better experience.

Note* I am also a Filipino and I am deeply ashamed of what have transpired, but nonetheless we will learn from this and will not be blinded by fame or whatsoever in helping the SEA community to grow.
Oiseaux
Profile Joined May 2011
United States676 Posts
November 08 2011 09:30 GMT
#178
Just fyi to the people dropping the "developing country" critique in reference to this whole fiasco, the Philippines is recently considered an industrialized country.

And honestly even if it wasn't, what would that have to do with the shenanigans of one person / team? Shady people exist in all forms, and in all countries. The term developing country has nothing to do with some form of "developing moral ethics" of the general populous of a country.

Sorry for the slight tangent. I'm just annoyed with seeing this brought up in nonchalant fashion when all it really does it add a slightly racist tone to arguments.

That said, I will look forward to the next legit event held in the Philippines. All this talk of the Philippines coincidentally is really making crave some lumpia right about now
"[S]o be ready to kiss a few donkeys with glued-on paper horns during your unicorn hunt." -Some stupid 4x4 magazine
rza
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada384 Posts
November 08 2011 09:31 GMT
#179
the worst thing is the HoN tournament imo
imagine arriving there and they tell you its cancelled...
Until my death, my goal's to stay alive.
Krelush
Profile Joined July 2011
Philippines17 Posts
November 08 2011 09:31 GMT
#180
In yesterday's group play, group E had 2 AZK members and 2 Cube members. The 2 AZK members advance into the elimination stage by default. Because the Cube members couldnt make it since Gus cancelled their flights.

AZK also tried to recruit players from Team Mineski before all this.
Confirmation:
On November 08 2011 10:11 ZenDeX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 09:59 Dox wrote:
Instead of approaching YoonYJ, Gus speaks directly to mOOnGLaDe - attempting to bribe him with a qualifying spot and paid flights/accommodation. If mOOnGLaDe accepts, he is required to represent Team AZK at the event, and join the team for 3 months. (GLaDe declined)

He tried to pull the same shit on my players. Zzzzzz


Also.. you should include in the PPSL notes that THEY FIXED THE BRACKETS for today's tournament! They had AZK members going against each other in the original brackets! But this was changed so that AZK members don't face each other early on.


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