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arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 07:57:50
November 08 2011 07:57 GMT
#141
Decided to delete my post.
Paaaz
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Philippines33 Posts
November 08 2011 07:57 GMT
#142
On November 08 2011 13:53 Pyo wrote:
Ok, my torch and pitchfork is out. What do I burn?

That's supposed to be screddit's thing.
Zidane
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States1685 Posts
November 08 2011 07:58 GMT
#143
On November 08 2011 16:57 arbitrageur wrote:
Decided to delete my post.


I wanna see pussying out tooooo
where is it in the video
TranceF0rm
Profile Joined March 2011
United States25 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 07:59:35
November 08 2011 07:58 GMT
#144
I was really looking forward to PPSL being super awesome too :L

Killing Esports people!
Oh great.. A Thor..
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
November 08 2011 07:59 GMT
#145
On November 08 2011 16:54 Shel wrote:
Some people will take a loot at a situation and turn a blind eye to the bad parts. For Rachel to say that the problem was "that the organizers just didn't have the resources or experience to hold the tournament" is like saying the Nazi's problem was that they had all these guns and tanks and soldiers. (I'm not comparing anyone to nazis). It's the choices that were made that affected other people that is the problem here. The promises made and broken, the people lied to and stabbed in the back, the contracts broken. The shady and underhanded bullshit. People that do things like that in other sports get spotted and outted and never come back again. That's what needs to happen here.

I'd have to agree with you on this one. They spend obscene amounts of money flying players in from all over the world, flying in Tastosis and Cheekyduck, and they suddenly have no money for the actual tournament?
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
jyLee
Profile Joined August 2009
United States350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 08:14:05
November 08 2011 08:00 GMT
#146
On November 08 2011 16:47 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 16:35 jyLee wrote:
On November 08 2011 16:26 pdd wrote:
On November 08 2011 16:22 jyLee wrote:
On November 08 2011 16:15 pdd wrote:
On November 08 2011 16:11 jyLee wrote:
On November 08 2011 16:05 pdd wrote:
On November 08 2011 15:57 jyLee wrote:
On November 08 2011 15:54 mrtomjones wrote:
On November 08 2011 15:49 jyLee wrote:
[quote]

He's been accused of being a racist with his blatantly biased picks. He's a dirtbag and he's killing esports. Hitler is a terrible analogy i have no idea why you would even bring that up. What he's done is criminal with breaking contracts and anyone associated with him doesnt look good either. They say you judge a man by the friends he keeps. So you know maybe try and troll a little less.

how is HE trolling? Racist? I havn't seen that before you posted it. He took a strong korean player over the rightful person. Doesn't make him racist.. makes him a liar and a cheat. But yah you could chill out on someone who thinks the descriptions used are overboard for the situation.


Look at his tournament and who he brought over. There is basically one white dude and everyone else is asian. I'm a korean and I think hes racist. He's accused of being racist on the SEA forum. Everything he's done looks bad. Why are you even arguing this?

How is that racist, when this event is held in Asia? The only reason Naniwa and SaSe was there was because they are already in Asia.

And he invited a white AZK player over an Asian Australia. Chill the fuck out man. Yeah the guy's a douche, but to throw other accusations at him and picking up pitchforks to hunt him is just incredibly ridiculous. There was no reason to start another thread other than the one that Dox and AlexIGN have already started.

This fucking herd mentality in the community is just stupid.


Ok Gus you are not just a douchebag. You are a criminal who does not honor contracts. You are an accused racist by other asians. You have a history of screwing over others and people close to you hate you. If you were only a douchebag nobody would care. There are plenty of douchebags out there to get worked up over one. Myself included. Nice try Gus.

I'm not defending him. I think it's just stupid to start another thread and blow this out of proportion. There was enough discussion going on in Dox's thread and IPL's thread. Ok fine, starting a new thread to bring this item to more light is ok. But if you're going to hate him. Hate him for who he screwed YoonYJ and Cube. Don't throw random shit at him like calling him a racist (even if he has the history of being one). It's irrelevant to the discussion.

(also I didn't make a 4k+ post account just to pretend I'm someone else).

How is Gus being a racist not relevent to this discussion when his character and integrity is being questioned in this thread. STOP defending him and get out of the thread if you dont like it or it just looks bad on you. Like seriously why are you so mad? It looks like you are Gus or a butt buddy of his tbh.

Why are you mad at him?

And tell me why a white AZK player was flown from Australia instead of an Asian Australian who deserved it more than the white guy, if this guy is a racist? Why did he approach Moonglade, who is Caucasian, instead of an Asian Australian. Being racist and being a conman is mutually exclusive. You can be one without being the other you know.

And again I am not defending him. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of your vendetta against him.


You are nitpicking criticism to deflect some of the animosity aimed toward this dirtbag so that is in a way defending him. The racism accusations are from other forum members on SEA and expand further than just this tournament. I'm not mad at him, he disgusts me. Nothing I've said is something new and has already been said on other forums. It needs to be said again though because letting someone like Gus off the hook in any way would be a disservice to the community. Stop defending him and get out.

Ok this will be my last post in this thread. You can continue raging after this.

1. Nirvana is a player within the SEA community who knows this people and has already said that he's not the racist. AZKziek was the racist. (look a couple of posts up).

2. Yes, this guy is a douchebag. I'm not denying it. I never went "OMG THIS GUYS A SHADY MOTHERFUCKER" in this thread, because how does that contribute anything? You've got so many people on Reddit, TL and spamming AZK and withdoc's Facebook with hate already. One more person doing that isn't going to change anything.

3. How is you posting repeatedly and rehashing what has been said contributing anything? Let me tell you something. ESPORTS is built not by you going on and on raging about the same thing which everyone has said, but by people who actually make the effort to do something about it. If people end up sanctioning this guy, then yes, it could be for the better. But you making 10 million posts about the same shit is not going to get him out of e-sports.

4. For that matter, how is you attacking and flaming people who are trying to be objective about the situation helping ESPORTS?

5. Reputable people in the business (Rachel, Torch, TheGunrun, Tastosis) are still making the best out of a bad situation. Rachel herself has shed more light on the situation there, saying just that the organizers just didn't have the resources or experience to hold the tournament. If they are willing to stick up for a tainted tournament at least just for the fans, who gave you the right to say who or what stays in or out of ESPORTS?



1. He never said he wasnt racist, he said he doesnt know about it and cant confirm. He's made racist comments to people over the internet. This is known.

2. I didnt even create this thread but I sure as hell will post my thoughts on Gus in it since its about him. I dont understand why I'm not allowed to just because you say so?

3. Now you are lecturing on what builds Esports. For the record none of my posts were filled with rage like you have described. Its you who overreacted and started going off about people making more threads. Clearly you are still mad and I still dont know why exactly except maybe you are friends with Gus.

4. Not sure who I attacked other than the main topic of this thread, Gus.

5. Makes no sense. I never flamed the tournament, did you even read the comments in here? Everything I've said was directed ONLY toward Gus and never did I even mention the tournament. Figures you would try and derail the thread with you self righteous post about standing up for Esports.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 08:01:31
November 08 2011 08:00 GMT
#147
I wouldn't doubt this Theif Pilfered money from the Prize Pool. He tried to Bribe MoonGlade to joing AZK and give him YJY's Spot (Which YJY rightfully earned in the Qualifiers)

Read more about it in DOX's Blog

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=283600
Never GG MKP | IdrA
T0fuuu
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia2275 Posts
November 08 2011 08:01 GMT
#148
witchhunt of scammers in developing countries to legitimise esports. SO IN THIS! Blacklist his team and events. Sucks to be his new recruits but i wouldnt be surprised if we see PPSL in the tournament pay thread soon!
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 08:05:54
November 08 2011 08:04 GMT
#149
One Big Cluster Fuck.... I wonder what happened To Tastosis did they leave the Event ....? After they found out what happened.

Its just now Gus's Girls from AZK Team Casting (Yes they are part of AZK) That is why Gus Insisted they Cast when it was only supposed to be Tastosis... but i digress....

I kind - of feel pity for the People on Team AZK who have their name thrown into bad light; for their Clan Leader/Manager Gus's Shameful Actions of Lies and Deceit.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
November 08 2011 08:05 GMT
#150
On November 08 2011 17:04 XRaDiiX wrote:
One Big Cluster Fuck.... I wonder what happened To Tastosis did they leave the Event ....? After they found out what happened.

Its just now Gus's Girls from AZK Team Casting (Yes they are part of AZK) That is why Gus Insisted they Cast when it was only supposed to be Tastosis... but i digress....

I kind - of feel pity for the People on Team AZK who have their name thrown into bad light; for their Clan Leader/Manager Gus's Shameful Actions and Lies and Deceit.



Why would he leave the tournament? If he leaves he doesn't get paid.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
November 08 2011 08:06 GMT
#151
On November 08 2011 17:05 arbitrageur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 17:04 XRaDiiX wrote:
One Big Cluster Fuck.... I wonder what happened To Tastosis did they leave the Event ....? After they found out what happened.

Its just now Gus's Girls from AZK Team Casting (Yes they are part of AZK) That is why Gus Insisted they Cast when it was only supposed to be Tastosis... but i digress....

I kind - of feel pity for the People on Team AZK who have their name thrown into bad light; for their Clan Leader/Manager Gus's Shameful Actions and Lies and Deceit.



Why would he leave the tournament? If he leaves he doesn't get paid.


I don't see them casting... i just assumed they left.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
CatNzHat
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1599 Posts
November 08 2011 08:06 GMT
#152
Unless he somehow has an explanation for all of this crap that he's done, Gus won't ever get hired anywhere for anything ever again (assuming he doesn't lose his current position).

I'm hoping this sets an example for others who see the cash flowing into e-sports as an opportunity to collect.
Zraf
Profile Joined August 2010
54 Posts
November 08 2011 08:07 GMT
#153
On November 08 2011 16:54 Shel wrote:
Some people will take a loot at a situation and turn a blind eye to the bad parts. For Rachel to say that the problem was "that the organizers just didn't have the resources or experience to hold the tournament" is like saying the Nazi's problem was that they had all these guns and tanks and soldiers. (I'm not comparing anyone to nazis). It's the choices that were made that affected other people that is the problem here. The promises made and broken, the people lied to and stabbed in the back, the contracts broken. The shady and underhanded bullshit. People that do things like that in other sports get spotted and outted and never come back again. That's what needs to happen here.


I totally agree, plus the bigger issue here is not simply the event itself failing; but all the shady things that happened beforehand. Reputable people Seltzer, torch, Tastosis and friends, are technically still employed but the tournament organizers; so I don't think you can really expect an unbiased opinion from them. Plus they are probably unaware of all the shenanigans that happened behind the scenes, so i wouldn't put too much weight on their statements; in this case.
rotegirte
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany2859 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 08:11:46
November 08 2011 08:09 GMT
#154
On November 08 2011 16:46 Highways wrote:
I completely missed this drama.

Can someone summarised what happened? I don't know where to start.


1. IPL 4 SEA Qualifier Finals to be held in Philippines.
2. IGN contracts Clan AZK (Gus "Witchdoc" being clan leader) to run the event, sponsors travel-budget, provides stream
3. Delays, stream/bandwidth issues, chaotic organization
(4. HoN tournament to be held at the same time, which is being sponsored by S2 never takes place. Whereabouts of S2 provided money unknown)
5. Due to nonattendance of Australian qualifiers winner, #3 has been eligible for finals (including travel expenses). He however has not received his plane ticket from Gus "Witchdoc". Upon further investigation on his part it turns out his place was filled by a AZK team member.
6. IPL pulls their brand, together with providing the official IPL stream, proceeds to make a statement on TL
7. CSN takes over streaming of the event as an emergency measure to save what is actually a nice competition
8. The Internet explodes and pitchforks, etc
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
November 08 2011 08:10 GMT
#155
Oh my drama. State of the game should be interesting this week.
jyLee
Profile Joined August 2009
United States350 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 08:11:08
November 08 2011 08:10 GMT
#156
On November 08 2011 16:54 Shel wrote:
Some people will take a loot at a situation and turn a blind eye to the bad parts. For Rachel to say that the problem was "that the organizers just didn't have the resources or experience to hold the tournament" is like saying the Nazi's problem was that they had all these guns and tanks and soldiers. (I'm not comparing anyone to nazis). It's the choices that were made that affected other people that is the problem here. The promises made and broken, the people lied to and stabbed in the back, the contracts broken. The shady and underhanded bullshit. People that do things like that in other sports get spotted and outted and never come back again. That's what needs to happen here.


Seems like there are people on TL who disagree with you on this.
Nagano
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1157 Posts
November 08 2011 08:12 GMT
#157
On November 08 2011 17:09 rotegirte wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 16:46 Highways wrote:
I completely missed this drama.

Can someone summarised what happened? I don't know where to start.


1. IPL 4 SEA Qualifier Finals to be held in Philippines.
2. IGN contracts Clan AZK (Gus "Witchdoc" being clan leader) to run the event, sponsors travel-budget, provides stream
3. Delays, stream/bandwidth issues, chaotic organization
(4. HoN tournament to be held at the same time, which is being sponsored by S2 never takes place. Whereabouts of S2 provided money unknown)
5. Due to nonattendance of Australian qualifiers winner, #3 has been eligible for finals (including travel expenses). He however has not received his plane ticket from Gus "Witchdoc". Upon further investigation on his part it turns out his place was filled by a AZK team member.
6. IPL pulls their brand, together with providing the official IPL stream, proceeds to make a statement on TL
7. CSN takes over streaming of the event as an emergency measure to save what is actually a nice competition
8. The Internet explodes and pitchforks, etc


Thanks for clearing that up concisely.
“The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.”
Nagano
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1157 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 08:13:17
November 08 2011 08:12 GMT
#158
Oh hey, it's my birthday! :D I didn't even realize it until I saw the icon next to my name lol.
“The illiterate of the 21st century will not be those who cannot read and write, but those who cannot learn, unlearn, and relearn.”
Bleak
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Turkey3059 Posts
November 08 2011 08:15 GMT
#159
On November 08 2011 13:32 Oreo7 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 13:29 Doodsmack wrote:
On November 08 2011 13:20 Oreo7 wrote:
On November 08 2011 13:17 Doodsmack wrote:
Redundant thread. People care way too much about Starcraft lol. Or maybe you guys just have too much time on your hands.


*Apathetic statement to assert authority*, *condescending laughter as a reminder of just how trivial this all is to me*. *Closing jab and generalization to remind everyone how much bigger my dick is than yours*



Or maybe just *simple statement of fact* will do. Creating another thread to rehash something that has already been discussed? Acting this outraged about some esports topic that isn't really important? It's becoming as common on TL as "ruining esports."


And that's a valid point, but you decided for some bizarre reason to frame it through the lens of "people care way too much about Starcraft" and "you guys have just too much time on your hands" both of which are irrelevant and thanks to the way you phrase it, passive aggressive and antagonistic.

I do agree, their needs to be some kind of centralization of all these threads. But I also think this Gus fellow really does need to pay for fucking up a developing sc2 scene in the Phillipines so badly and abusing the trust of so many baller corporations and organizations.


I agree, there should be a thread for the discussion, but i also agree with the guy who said that most of the discussion is redundant. Remember how much shitstorm Puma transfer and Stephano thing caused? That is one stuff I don't like about community. It feels like a pack of zombies jumping on a body to feed, there is nothing constructive, everyone is adding their opinion that almost noone cares about and it's all about adding your own trash (as in "one man's trash" saying) to the debris until it becomes a mountain, like the game where you roll something and things stick on it, and it becomes bigger as it rolls.

i think a public statement by IGN and a TL news thread which is locked, that asks for the community to not support this guy and people like him is more than enough.
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XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 08:19:26
November 08 2011 08:17 GMT
#160
5. Due to nonattendance of Australian qualifiers winner, #3 has been eligible for finals (including travel expenses). He however has not received his plane ticket from Gus "Witchdoc". Upon further investigation on his part it turns out his place was filled by a AZK team member.



I think this is what Gus Intended all along (Seeing as to all the other Trickery and Deceit that has been brought to light about him)

*For his AZK Team Member to Come instead of YJY who rightfully qualified for the Tournament Spot*

There is also Rumour of Match Fixing so his AZK Team Members don't meet up in the Brackets early on.

There is also Reports of Blatant Cheating by Gus From Dox's Blog Here.

Link:http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=283600


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I met Gus during an AZK inhouse tournament.

I am sorry that you had the misfortune of doing business with him.

I can confirm that he fights dirty. I have seen him watching matchups between his clanmate and some other guy and he would tell his clanmate what the other guy is doing just so Gus can win. He cheats. It's a fact and I'm sorry that a lot of people got dragged into this.

Gus is just way over in his head and more concerned about putting himself out there rather than promoting e-sports. It's all about him and it blew in his face.

I'm just sorry we didn't warn enough people. I didn't think his arrogance could have led to such disaster.

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