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He should be fired from ESPORTS
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On November 08 2011 16:15 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 16:11 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 16:05 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 15:57 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 15:54 mrtomjones wrote:On November 08 2011 15:49 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 14:42 Toppp wrote:On November 08 2011 14:41 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 14:33 pdd wrote:
Not to be a white knight or anything, but Seltzer mentioned on the CSN stream chat that the HoN tourney will go on today. It was delayed yesterday due to the computer problems.
While I don't agree with some of his methods, I think I'm willing to give him a bit of a benefit of a doubt. And he needs to give a very good explanation of his actions. What reasons could he even possibly give to get out of this situation? Someone put a gun to his head and forced him to cancel sending YoonYJ and instead sending someone from AZK? His list of crimes are long and he has a history. There is absolutely no excuse and he's a hideous dirtbag. Anyone who defends him or befriends him risks being lumped together with him as a complete scumbag. I would reserve those words for someone like Hitler... but you know, using them on a crappy tournament organizer is fine too, I guess! He's been accused of being a racist with his blatantly biased picks. He's a dirtbag and he's killing esports. Hitler is a terrible analogy i have no idea why you would even bring that up. What he's done is criminal with breaking contracts and anyone associated with him doesnt look good either. They say you judge a man by the friends he keeps. So you know maybe try and troll a little less. how is HE trolling? Racist? I havn't seen that before you posted it. He took a strong korean player over the rightful person. Doesn't make him racist.. makes him a liar and a cheat. But yah you could chill out on someone who thinks the descriptions used are overboard for the situation. Look at his tournament and who he brought over. There is basically one white dude and everyone else is asian. I'm a korean and I think hes racist. He's accused of being racist on the SEA forum. Everything he's done looks bad. Why are you even arguing this? How is that racist, when this event is held in Asia? The only reason Naniwa and SaSe was there was because they are already in Asia. And he invited a white AZK player over an Asian Australia. Chill the fuck out man. Yeah the guy's a douche, but to throw other accusations at him and picking up pitchforks to hunt him is just incredibly ridiculous. There was no reason to start another thread other than the one that Dox and AlexIGN have already started. This fucking herd mentality in the community is just stupid. Ok Gus you are not just a douchebag. You are a criminal who does not honor contracts. You are an accused racist by other asians. You have a history of screwing over others and people close to you hate you. If you were only a douchebag nobody would care. There are plenty of douchebags out there to get worked up over one. Myself included. Nice try Gus. I'm not defending him. I think it's just stupid to start another thread and blow this out of proportion. There was enough discussion going on in Dox's thread and IPL's thread. Ok fine, starting a new thread to bring this item to more light is ok. But if you're going to hate him. Hate him for who he screwed YoonYJ and Cube. Don't throw random shit at him like calling him a racist (even if he has the history of being one). It's irrelevant to the discussion. (also I didn't make a 4k+ post account just to pretend I'm someone else).
How is Gus being a racist not relevent to this discussion when his character and integrity is being questioned in this thread. STOP defending him and get out of the thread if you dont like it or it just looks bad on you. Like seriously why are you so mad? It looks like you are Gus or a butt buddy of his tbh.
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On November 08 2011 16:19 _Depression wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 16:15 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 16:11 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 16:05 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 15:57 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 15:54 mrtomjones wrote:On November 08 2011 15:49 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 14:42 Toppp wrote:On November 08 2011 14:41 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 14:33 pdd wrote:
Not to be a white knight or anything, but Seltzer mentioned on the CSN stream chat that the HoN tourney will go on today. It was delayed yesterday due to the computer problems.
While I don't agree with some of his methods, I think I'm willing to give him a bit of a benefit of a doubt. And he needs to give a very good explanation of his actions. What reasons could he even possibly give to get out of this situation? Someone put a gun to his head and forced him to cancel sending YoonYJ and instead sending someone from AZK? His list of crimes are long and he has a history. There is absolutely no excuse and he's a hideous dirtbag. Anyone who defends him or befriends him risks being lumped together with him as a complete scumbag. I would reserve those words for someone like Hitler... but you know, using them on a crappy tournament organizer is fine too, I guess! He's been accused of being a racist with his blatantly biased picks. He's a dirtbag and he's killing esports. Hitler is a terrible analogy i have no idea why you would even bring that up. What he's done is criminal with breaking contracts and anyone associated with him doesnt look good either. They say you judge a man by the friends he keeps. So you know maybe try and troll a little less. how is HE trolling? Racist? I havn't seen that before you posted it. He took a strong korean player over the rightful person. Doesn't make him racist.. makes him a liar and a cheat. But yah you could chill out on someone who thinks the descriptions used are overboard for the situation. Look at his tournament and who he brought over. There is basically one white dude and everyone else is asian. I'm a korean and I think hes racist. He's accused of being racist on the SEA forum. Everything he's done looks bad. Why are you even arguing this? How is that racist, when this event is held in Asia? The only reason Naniwa and SaSe was there was because they are already in Asia. And he invited a white AZK player over an Asian Australia. Chill the fuck out man. Yeah the guy's a douche, but to throw other accusations at him and picking up pitchforks to hunt him is just incredibly ridiculous. There was no reason to start another thread other than the one that Dox and AlexIGN have already started. This fucking herd mentality in the community is just stupid. Ok Gus you are not just a douchebag. You are a criminal who does not honor contracts. You are an accused racist by other asians. You have a history of screwing over others and people close to you hate you. If you were only a douchebag nobody would care. There are plenty of douchebags out there to get worked up over one. Myself included. Nice try Gus. (also I didn't make a 4k+ post account just to pretend I'm someone else). I lol'd. Hivemind mentality says anyone who disagrees with the increasingly acidic posts is secretly Gus or a Gus fanboy!
In case you didnt catch it, all of that was said tongue in cheek.
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On November 08 2011 16:11 jyLee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 16:05 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 15:57 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 15:54 mrtomjones wrote:On November 08 2011 15:49 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 14:42 Toppp wrote:On November 08 2011 14:41 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 14:33 pdd wrote:
Not to be a white knight or anything, but Seltzer mentioned on the CSN stream chat that the HoN tourney will go on today. It was delayed yesterday due to the computer problems.
While I don't agree with some of his methods, I think I'm willing to give him a bit of a benefit of a doubt. And he needs to give a very good explanation of his actions. What reasons could he even possibly give to get out of this situation? Someone put a gun to his head and forced him to cancel sending YoonYJ and instead sending someone from AZK? His list of crimes are long and he has a history. There is absolutely no excuse and he's a hideous dirtbag. Anyone who defends him or befriends him risks being lumped together with him as a complete scumbag. I would reserve those words for someone like Hitler... but you know, using them on a crappy tournament organizer is fine too, I guess! He's been accused of being a racist with his blatantly biased picks. He's a dirtbag and he's killing esports. Hitler is a terrible analogy i have no idea why you would even bring that up. What he's done is criminal with breaking contracts and anyone associated with him doesnt look good either. They say you judge a man by the friends he keeps. So you know maybe try and troll a little less. how is HE trolling? Racist? I havn't seen that before you posted it. He took a strong korean player over the rightful person. Doesn't make him racist.. makes him a liar and a cheat. But yah you could chill out on someone who thinks the descriptions used are overboard for the situation. Look at his tournament and who he brought over. There is basically one white dude and everyone else is asian. I'm a korean and I think hes racist. He's accused of being racist on the SEA forum. Everything he's done looks bad. Why are you even arguing this? How is that racist, when this event is held in Asia? The only reason Naniwa and SaSe was there was because they are already in Asia. And he invited a white AZK player over an Asian Australia. Chill the fuck out man. Yeah the guy's a douche, but to throw other accusations at him and picking up pitchforks to hunt him is just incredibly ridiculous. There was no reason to start another thread other than the one that Dox and AlexIGN have already started. This fucking herd mentality in the community is just stupid. Ok Gus you are not just a douchebag. You are a criminal who does not honor contracts. You are an accused racist by other asians. You have a history of screwing over others and people close to you hate you. If you were only a douchebag nobody would care. There are plenty of douchebags out there to get worked up over one. Myself included. Nice try Gus.
PDD has been around for quite a while. He's taken care of a lot of the LR threads for big events like GSL. In other words, he actually helps out the community here sometimes, so don't start flaming him and acting like he's the guy responsible just because he disagrees with you. That actually proves his point, that all this excessive hatred against the guy is getting stupid. Yeah, from what we've seen, he's a sleazy guy and should probably be shunned from the community. Having people that aren't even involved in any of this randomly flaming each other over the issue isn't going to help anything, though.
@ the racist comment, yeah, I saw people throwing it around too but wasn't sure what exactly it was about. I thought it had something to do with him cancelling Cube's (Philippine team) tickets, but not sure. Still a lot to be straightened out.
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As for the racist comments AZKziek (zanooku) is responsible for those remarks, he has frequently used them. In fact, one of the players he insulted "KJH" confronted him IRL and zan he proceeded to chicken out and deny ever saying those words.
Video and trip vlog of the confrontation here:
http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?t=2327
He was banned from sc2sea with multiple accounts at least 5 times and was banned from the battle.net forums on his multiple bnet accounts as well.
Witchdoc as far as i know did not make any racist comments, just made alot of false promises he couldn't back up + terrible organisational planning so please don't turn the thread into a racist debate its heading the wrong way.
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On November 08 2011 16:22 jyLee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 16:15 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 16:11 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 16:05 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 15:57 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 15:54 mrtomjones wrote:On November 08 2011 15:49 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 14:42 Toppp wrote:On November 08 2011 14:41 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 14:33 pdd wrote:
Not to be a white knight or anything, but Seltzer mentioned on the CSN stream chat that the HoN tourney will go on today. It was delayed yesterday due to the computer problems.
While I don't agree with some of his methods, I think I'm willing to give him a bit of a benefit of a doubt. And he needs to give a very good explanation of his actions. What reasons could he even possibly give to get out of this situation? Someone put a gun to his head and forced him to cancel sending YoonYJ and instead sending someone from AZK? His list of crimes are long and he has a history. There is absolutely no excuse and he's a hideous dirtbag. Anyone who defends him or befriends him risks being lumped together with him as a complete scumbag. I would reserve those words for someone like Hitler... but you know, using them on a crappy tournament organizer is fine too, I guess! He's been accused of being a racist with his blatantly biased picks. He's a dirtbag and he's killing esports. Hitler is a terrible analogy i have no idea why you would even bring that up. What he's done is criminal with breaking contracts and anyone associated with him doesnt look good either. They say you judge a man by the friends he keeps. So you know maybe try and troll a little less. how is HE trolling? Racist? I havn't seen that before you posted it. He took a strong korean player over the rightful person. Doesn't make him racist.. makes him a liar and a cheat. But yah you could chill out on someone who thinks the descriptions used are overboard for the situation. Look at his tournament and who he brought over. There is basically one white dude and everyone else is asian. I'm a korean and I think hes racist. He's accused of being racist on the SEA forum. Everything he's done looks bad. Why are you even arguing this? How is that racist, when this event is held in Asia? The only reason Naniwa and SaSe was there was because they are already in Asia. And he invited a white AZK player over an Asian Australia. Chill the fuck out man. Yeah the guy's a douche, but to throw other accusations at him and picking up pitchforks to hunt him is just incredibly ridiculous. There was no reason to start another thread other than the one that Dox and AlexIGN have already started. This fucking herd mentality in the community is just stupid. Ok Gus you are not just a douchebag. You are a criminal who does not honor contracts. You are an accused racist by other asians. You have a history of screwing over others and people close to you hate you. If you were only a douchebag nobody would care. There are plenty of douchebags out there to get worked up over one. Myself included. Nice try Gus. I'm not defending him. I think it's just stupid to start another thread and blow this out of proportion. There was enough discussion going on in Dox's thread and IPL's thread. Ok fine, starting a new thread to bring this item to more light is ok. But if you're going to hate him. Hate him for who he screwed YoonYJ and Cube. Don't throw random shit at him like calling him a racist (even if he has the history of being one). It's irrelevant to the discussion. (also I didn't make a 4k+ post account just to pretend I'm someone else). How is Gus being a racist not relevent to this discussion when his character and integrity is being questioned in this thread. STOP defending him and get out of the thread if you dont like it or it just looks bad on you. Like seriously why are you so mad? It looks like you are Gus or a butt buddy of his tbh.
Why are you mad at him?
And tell me why a white AZK player was flown from Australia instead of an Asian Australian who deserved it more than the white guy, if this guy is a racist? Why did he approach Moonglade, who is Caucasian, instead of an Asian Australian. Being racist and being a conman are two exclusive things. You can be one without being the other you know.
And again I am not defending him. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of your vendetta against him.
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On November 08 2011 16:22 jyLee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 16:15 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 16:11 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 16:05 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 15:57 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 15:54 mrtomjones wrote:On November 08 2011 15:49 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 14:42 Toppp wrote:On November 08 2011 14:41 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 14:33 pdd wrote:
Not to be a white knight or anything, but Seltzer mentioned on the CSN stream chat that the HoN tourney will go on today. It was delayed yesterday due to the computer problems.
While I don't agree with some of his methods, I think I'm willing to give him a bit of a benefit of a doubt. And he needs to give a very good explanation of his actions. What reasons could he even possibly give to get out of this situation? Someone put a gun to his head and forced him to cancel sending YoonYJ and instead sending someone from AZK? His list of crimes are long and he has a history. There is absolutely no excuse and he's a hideous dirtbag. Anyone who defends him or befriends him risks being lumped together with him as a complete scumbag. I would reserve those words for someone like Hitler... but you know, using them on a crappy tournament organizer is fine too, I guess! He's been accused of being a racist with his blatantly biased picks. He's a dirtbag and he's killing esports. Hitler is a terrible analogy i have no idea why you would even bring that up. What he's done is criminal with breaking contracts and anyone associated with him doesnt look good either. They say you judge a man by the friends he keeps. So you know maybe try and troll a little less. how is HE trolling? Racist? I havn't seen that before you posted it. He took a strong korean player over the rightful person. Doesn't make him racist.. makes him a liar and a cheat. But yah you could chill out on someone who thinks the descriptions used are overboard for the situation. Look at his tournament and who he brought over. There is basically one white dude and everyone else is asian. I'm a korean and I think hes racist. He's accused of being racist on the SEA forum. Everything he's done looks bad. Why are you even arguing this? How is that racist, when this event is held in Asia? The only reason Naniwa and SaSe was there was because they are already in Asia. And he invited a white AZK player over an Asian Australia. Chill the fuck out man. Yeah the guy's a douche, but to throw other accusations at him and picking up pitchforks to hunt him is just incredibly ridiculous. There was no reason to start another thread other than the one that Dox and AlexIGN have already started. This fucking herd mentality in the community is just stupid. Ok Gus you are not just a douchebag. You are a criminal who does not honor contracts. You are an accused racist by other asians. You have a history of screwing over others and people close to you hate you. If you were only a douchebag nobody would care. There are plenty of douchebags out there to get worked up over one. Myself included. Nice try Gus. I'm not defending him. I think it's just stupid to start another thread and blow this out of proportion. There was enough discussion going on in Dox's thread and IPL's thread. Ok fine, starting a new thread to bring this item to more light is ok. But if you're going to hate him. Hate him for who he screwed YoonYJ and Cube. Don't throw random shit at him like calling him a racist (even if he has the history of being one). It's irrelevant to the discussion. (also I didn't make a 4k+ post account just to pretend I'm someone else). How is Gus being a racist not relevent to this discussion when his character and integrity is being questioned in this thread. STOP defending him and get out of the thread if you dont like it or it just looks bad on you. Like seriously why are you so mad? It looks like you are Gus or a butt buddy of his tbh.
Dude wut.
Gus being racist is something that wasn't shown or proven with this incident or expressed in this thread before someone challenged the accusation. Usually the way things work is that a huge allegation like "X is racist" needs to be supported by evidence _without_ needing someone to say "Okay... prove it." And no, it's not relevant. This thread isn't about the laundry list of things Gus Ledesma has done wrong, it's about Gus Ledesma screwing over YJY, the IPL and basically everyone at this event. So unless Gus was blatantly racist at this event, his being racist is completely irrelevant.
I also don't get how speaking one's mind about the necessity of a fourth thread attacking Gus (really only the third directly doing so) reflects badly on someone. It's obvious you're angry and passionate about wanting to rip Gus's entrails out, but chill out. Seriously.
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On November 08 2011 16:22 jyLee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 16:15 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 16:11 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 16:05 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 15:57 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 15:54 mrtomjones wrote:On November 08 2011 15:49 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 14:42 Toppp wrote:On November 08 2011 14:41 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 14:33 pdd wrote:
Not to be a white knight or anything, but Seltzer mentioned on the CSN stream chat that the HoN tourney will go on today. It was delayed yesterday due to the computer problems.
While I don't agree with some of his methods, I think I'm willing to give him a bit of a benefit of a doubt. And he needs to give a very good explanation of his actions. What reasons could he even possibly give to get out of this situation? Someone put a gun to his head and forced him to cancel sending YoonYJ and instead sending someone from AZK? His list of crimes are long and he has a history. There is absolutely no excuse and he's a hideous dirtbag. Anyone who defends him or befriends him risks being lumped together with him as a complete scumbag. I would reserve those words for someone like Hitler... but you know, using them on a crappy tournament organizer is fine too, I guess! He's been accused of being a racist with his blatantly biased picks. He's a dirtbag and he's killing esports. Hitler is a terrible analogy i have no idea why you would even bring that up. What he's done is criminal with breaking contracts and anyone associated with him doesnt look good either. They say you judge a man by the friends he keeps. So you know maybe try and troll a little less. how is HE trolling? Racist? I havn't seen that before you posted it. He took a strong korean player over the rightful person. Doesn't make him racist.. makes him a liar and a cheat. But yah you could chill out on someone who thinks the descriptions used are overboard for the situation. Look at his tournament and who he brought over. There is basically one white dude and everyone else is asian. I'm a korean and I think hes racist. He's accused of being racist on the SEA forum. Everything he's done looks bad. Why are you even arguing this? How is that racist, when this event is held in Asia? The only reason Naniwa and SaSe was there was because they are already in Asia. And he invited a white AZK player over an Asian Australia. Chill the fuck out man. Yeah the guy's a douche, but to throw other accusations at him and picking up pitchforks to hunt him is just incredibly ridiculous. There was no reason to start another thread other than the one that Dox and AlexIGN have already started. This fucking herd mentality in the community is just stupid. Ok Gus you are not just a douchebag. You are a criminal who does not honor contracts. You are an accused racist by other asians. You have a history of screwing over others and people close to you hate you. If you were only a douchebag nobody would care. There are plenty of douchebags out there to get worked up over one. Myself included. Nice try Gus. I'm not defending him. I think it's just stupid to start another thread and blow this out of proportion. There was enough discussion going on in Dox's thread and IPL's thread. Ok fine, starting a new thread to bring this item to more light is ok. But if you're going to hate him. Hate him for who he screwed YoonYJ and Cube. Don't throw random shit at him like calling him a racist (even if he has the history of being one). It's irrelevant to the discussion. (also I didn't make a 4k+ post account just to pretend I'm someone else). How is Gus being a racist not relevent to this discussion when his character and integrity is being questioned in this thread. STOP defending him and get out of the thread if you dont like it or it just looks bad on you. Like seriously why are you so mad? It looks like you are Gus or a butt buddy of his tbh.
You need to relax. The Gus guy sounds terrible but your posts make you sound like a little kid. But you know what, Gus probably deserves all forms of hate right now for whats transpired, so target your insults at him and not at objective posters.
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On November 08 2011 16:26 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 16:22 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 16:15 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 16:11 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 16:05 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 15:57 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 15:54 mrtomjones wrote:On November 08 2011 15:49 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 14:42 Toppp wrote:On November 08 2011 14:41 jyLee wrote:
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What reasons could he even possibly give to get out of this situation? Someone put a gun to his head and forced him to cancel sending YoonYJ and instead sending someone from AZK? His list of crimes are long and he has a history. There is absolutely no excuse and he's a hideous dirtbag. Anyone who defends him or befriends him risks being lumped together with him as a complete scumbag. I would reserve those words for someone like Hitler... but you know, using them on a crappy tournament organizer is fine too, I guess! He's been accused of being a racist with his blatantly biased picks. He's a dirtbag and he's killing esports. Hitler is a terrible analogy i have no idea why you would even bring that up. What he's done is criminal with breaking contracts and anyone associated with him doesnt look good either. They say you judge a man by the friends he keeps. So you know maybe try and troll a little less. how is HE trolling? Racist? I havn't seen that before you posted it. He took a strong korean player over the rightful person. Doesn't make him racist.. makes him a liar and a cheat. But yah you could chill out on someone who thinks the descriptions used are overboard for the situation. Look at his tournament and who he brought over. There is basically one white dude and everyone else is asian. I'm a korean and I think hes racist. He's accused of being racist on the SEA forum. Everything he's done looks bad. Why are you even arguing this? How is that racist, when this event is held in Asia? The only reason Naniwa and SaSe was there was because they are already in Asia. And he invited a white AZK player over an Asian Australia. Chill the fuck out man. Yeah the guy's a douche, but to throw other accusations at him and picking up pitchforks to hunt him is just incredibly ridiculous. There was no reason to start another thread other than the one that Dox and AlexIGN have already started. This fucking herd mentality in the community is just stupid. Ok Gus you are not just a douchebag. You are a criminal who does not honor contracts. You are an accused racist by other asians. You have a history of screwing over others and people close to you hate you. If you were only a douchebag nobody would care. There are plenty of douchebags out there to get worked up over one. Myself included. Nice try Gus. I'm not defending him. I think it's just stupid to start another thread and blow this out of proportion. There was enough discussion going on in Dox's thread and IPL's thread. Ok fine, starting a new thread to bring this item to more light is ok. But if you're going to hate him. Hate him for who he screwed YoonYJ and Cube. Don't throw random shit at him like calling him a racist (even if he has the history of being one). It's irrelevant to the discussion. (also I didn't make a 4k+ post account just to pretend I'm someone else). How is Gus being a racist not relevent to this discussion when his character and integrity is being questioned in this thread. STOP defending him and get out of the thread if you dont like it or it just looks bad on you. Like seriously why are you so mad? It looks like you are Gus or a butt buddy of his tbh. Why are you mad at him? And tell me why a white AZK player was flown from Australia instead of an Asian Australian who deserved it more than the white guy, if this guy is a racist? Why did he approach Moonglade, who is Caucasian, instead of an Asian Australian. Being racist and being a conman is mutually exclusive. You can be one without being the other you know. And again I am not defending him. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of your vendetta against him.
You are nitpicking criticism to deflect some of the animosity aimed toward this dirtbag so that is in a way defending him. The racism accusations are from other forum members on SEA and expand further than just this tournament. I'm not mad at him, he disgusts me. Nothing I've said is something new and has already been said on other forums. It needs to be said again though because letting someone like Gus off the hook in any way would be a disservice to the community. Stop defending him and get out.
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This Gus dude is a five star turd. Anyways correct me if I'm wrong, but if you really want to punish AZK, shouldn't you be going after their sponsors, that is, the sponsors of AZK. I'm sure no company wants such douchers representing their brand. At least I know that if someone pulls this off in a sport, he can kiss his sponsors goodbye.
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Well, 2 examples of racism, shitting on Cube and calling someone a "nig" on his twitter. I have no idea if this guy is racist or not, but there are people who seem to think he is. Either way, there's no reason to argue about it. All it will end up doing is getting this thread shutdown.
And I think this is the third thread attacking Gus. Well, really the first one targetted directly at him, and I think it's great that it's here so we can all vent about this. My point though is that this thread had it's title changed, that might be why you think there was 4.
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I've been trying to think of the best way to say this guy sucks but I don't think saying "crucify him!" etc. is necessary. The only way I can express myself is through the gif below me. I would like to throw a TON of props to IPL and Dox. They've both handled this very well and held themselves much higher than this guy deserves. Kudos to them ♥
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On November 08 2011 16:26 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 16:22 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 16:15 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 16:11 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 16:05 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 15:57 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 15:54 mrtomjones wrote:On November 08 2011 15:49 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 14:42 Toppp wrote:On November 08 2011 14:41 jyLee wrote:
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What reasons could he even possibly give to get out of this situation? Someone put a gun to his head and forced him to cancel sending YoonYJ and instead sending someone from AZK? His list of crimes are long and he has a history. There is absolutely no excuse and he's a hideous dirtbag. Anyone who defends him or befriends him risks being lumped together with him as a complete scumbag. I would reserve those words for someone like Hitler... but you know, using them on a crappy tournament organizer is fine too, I guess! He's been accused of being a racist with his blatantly biased picks. He's a dirtbag and he's killing esports. Hitler is a terrible analogy i have no idea why you would even bring that up. What he's done is criminal with breaking contracts and anyone associated with him doesnt look good either. They say you judge a man by the friends he keeps. So you know maybe try and troll a little less. how is HE trolling? Racist? I havn't seen that before you posted it. He took a strong korean player over the rightful person. Doesn't make him racist.. makes him a liar and a cheat. But yah you could chill out on someone who thinks the descriptions used are overboard for the situation. Look at his tournament and who he brought over. There is basically one white dude and everyone else is asian. I'm a korean and I think hes racist. He's accused of being racist on the SEA forum. Everything he's done looks bad. Why are you even arguing this? How is that racist, when this event is held in Asia? The only reason Naniwa and SaSe was there was because they are already in Asia. And he invited a white AZK player over an Asian Australia. Chill the fuck out man. Yeah the guy's a douche, but to throw other accusations at him and picking up pitchforks to hunt him is just incredibly ridiculous. There was no reason to start another thread other than the one that Dox and AlexIGN have already started. This fucking herd mentality in the community is just stupid. Ok Gus you are not just a douchebag. You are a criminal who does not honor contracts. You are an accused racist by other asians. You have a history of screwing over others and people close to you hate you. If you were only a douchebag nobody would care. There are plenty of douchebags out there to get worked up over one. Myself included. Nice try Gus. I'm not defending him. I think it's just stupid to start another thread and blow this out of proportion. There was enough discussion going on in Dox's thread and IPL's thread. Ok fine, starting a new thread to bring this item to more light is ok. But if you're going to hate him. Hate him for who he screwed YoonYJ and Cube. Don't throw random shit at him like calling him a racist (even if he has the history of being one). It's irrelevant to the discussion. (also I didn't make a 4k+ post account just to pretend I'm someone else). How is Gus being a racist not relevent to this discussion when his character and integrity is being questioned in this thread. STOP defending him and get out of the thread if you dont like it or it just looks bad on you. Like seriously why are you so mad? It looks like you are Gus or a butt buddy of his tbh. Why are you mad at him? And tell me why a white AZK player was flown from Australia instead of an Asian Australian who deserved it more than the white guy, if this guy is a racist? Why did he approach Moonglade, who is Caucasian, instead of an Asian Australian. Being racist and being a conman are two exclusive things. You can be one without being the other you know. And again I am not defending him. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of your vendetta against him.
I agree that his not being racist, nor do I care if he is or isn't. But what he has done has shown is a completely biased event and running the IPL and SEA brand through the dirt with this, what I'd call, bullshit. Instead of communicating with sponsors(IPL), Players(YJY) and Dox, he was out getting trashed with Tasteless. I mean honestly, this guy can only do harm to everyone around him. His team included.
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I completely missed this drama.
Can someone summarised what happened? I don't know where to start.
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On November 08 2011 16:35 jyLee wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 16:26 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 16:22 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 16:15 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 16:11 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 16:05 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 15:57 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 15:54 mrtomjones wrote:On November 08 2011 15:49 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 14:42 Toppp wrote:
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I would reserve those words for someone like Hitler... but you know, using them on a crappy tournament organizer is fine too, I guess! He's been accused of being a racist with his blatantly biased picks. He's a dirtbag and he's killing esports. Hitler is a terrible analogy i have no idea why you would even bring that up. What he's done is criminal with breaking contracts and anyone associated with him doesnt look good either. They say you judge a man by the friends he keeps. So you know maybe try and troll a little less. how is HE trolling? Racist? I havn't seen that before you posted it. He took a strong korean player over the rightful person. Doesn't make him racist.. makes him a liar and a cheat. But yah you could chill out on someone who thinks the descriptions used are overboard for the situation. Look at his tournament and who he brought over. There is basically one white dude and everyone else is asian. I'm a korean and I think hes racist. He's accused of being racist on the SEA forum. Everything he's done looks bad. Why are you even arguing this? How is that racist, when this event is held in Asia? The only reason Naniwa and SaSe was there was because they are already in Asia. And he invited a white AZK player over an Asian Australia. Chill the fuck out man. Yeah the guy's a douche, but to throw other accusations at him and picking up pitchforks to hunt him is just incredibly ridiculous. There was no reason to start another thread other than the one that Dox and AlexIGN have already started. This fucking herd mentality in the community is just stupid. Ok Gus you are not just a douchebag. You are a criminal who does not honor contracts. You are an accused racist by other asians. You have a history of screwing over others and people close to you hate you. If you were only a douchebag nobody would care. There are plenty of douchebags out there to get worked up over one. Myself included. Nice try Gus. I'm not defending him. I think it's just stupid to start another thread and blow this out of proportion. There was enough discussion going on in Dox's thread and IPL's thread. Ok fine, starting a new thread to bring this item to more light is ok. But if you're going to hate him. Hate him for who he screwed YoonYJ and Cube. Don't throw random shit at him like calling him a racist (even if he has the history of being one). It's irrelevant to the discussion. (also I didn't make a 4k+ post account just to pretend I'm someone else). How is Gus being a racist not relevent to this discussion when his character and integrity is being questioned in this thread. STOP defending him and get out of the thread if you dont like it or it just looks bad on you. Like seriously why are you so mad? It looks like you are Gus or a butt buddy of his tbh. Why are you mad at him? And tell me why a white AZK player was flown from Australia instead of an Asian Australian who deserved it more than the white guy, if this guy is a racist? Why did he approach Moonglade, who is Caucasian, instead of an Asian Australian. Being racist and being a conman is mutually exclusive. You can be one without being the other you know. And again I am not defending him. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of your vendetta against him. You are nitpicking criticism to deflect some of the animosity aimed toward this dirtbag so that is in a way defending him. The racism accusations are from other forum members on SEA and expand further than just this tournament. I'm not mad at him, he disgusts me. Nothing I've said is something new and has already been said on other forums. It needs to be said again though because letting someone like Gus off the hook in any way would be a disservice to the community. Stop defending him and get out.
Ok this will be my last post in this thread. You can continue raging after this.
1. Nirvana is a player within the SEA community who knows this people and has already said that he's not the racist. AZKziek was the racist. (look a couple of posts up).
2. Yes, this guy is a douchebag. I'm not denying it. I never went "OMG THIS GUYS A SHADY MOTHERFUCKER" in this thread, because how does that contribute anything? You've got so many people on Reddit, TL and spamming AZK and withdoc's Facebook with hate already. One more person doing that isn't going to change anything.
3. How is you posting repeatedly and rehashing what has been said contributing anything? Let me tell you something. ESPORTS is built not by you going on and on raging about the same thing which everyone has said, but by people who actually make the effort to do something about it. If people end up sanctioning this guy, then yes, it could be for the better. But you making 10 million posts about the same shit is not going to get him out of e-sports.
4. For that matter, how is you attacking and flaming people who are trying to be objective about the situation helping ESPORTS?
5. Reputable people in the business (Rachel, Torch, TheGunrun, Tastosis) are still making the best out of a bad situation. Rachel herself has shed more light on the situation there, saying just that the organizers just didn't have the resources or experience to hold the tournament. If they are willing to stick up for a tainted tournament at least just for the fans, who gave you the right to say who or what stays in or out of ESPORTS?
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On November 08 2011 16:30 Angelbelow wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 16:22 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 16:15 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 16:11 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 16:05 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 15:57 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 15:54 mrtomjones wrote:On November 08 2011 15:49 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 14:42 Toppp wrote:On November 08 2011 14:41 jyLee wrote:
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What reasons could he even possibly give to get out of this situation? Someone put a gun to his head and forced him to cancel sending YoonYJ and instead sending someone from AZK? His list of crimes are long and he has a history. There is absolutely no excuse and he's a hideous dirtbag. Anyone who defends him or befriends him risks being lumped together with him as a complete scumbag. I would reserve those words for someone like Hitler... but you know, using them on a crappy tournament organizer is fine too, I guess! He's been accused of being a racist with his blatantly biased picks. He's a dirtbag and he's killing esports. Hitler is a terrible analogy i have no idea why you would even bring that up. What he's done is criminal with breaking contracts and anyone associated with him doesnt look good either. They say you judge a man by the friends he keeps. So you know maybe try and troll a little less. how is HE trolling? Racist? I havn't seen that before you posted it. He took a strong korean player over the rightful person. Doesn't make him racist.. makes him a liar and a cheat. But yah you could chill out on someone who thinks the descriptions used are overboard for the situation. Look at his tournament and who he brought over. There is basically one white dude and everyone else is asian. I'm a korean and I think hes racist. He's accused of being racist on the SEA forum. Everything he's done looks bad. Why are you even arguing this? How is that racist, when this event is held in Asia? The only reason Naniwa and SaSe was there was because they are already in Asia. And he invited a white AZK player over an Asian Australia. Chill the fuck out man. Yeah the guy's a douche, but to throw other accusations at him and picking up pitchforks to hunt him is just incredibly ridiculous. There was no reason to start another thread other than the one that Dox and AlexIGN have already started. This fucking herd mentality in the community is just stupid. Ok Gus you are not just a douchebag. You are a criminal who does not honor contracts. You are an accused racist by other asians. You have a history of screwing over others and people close to you hate you. If you were only a douchebag nobody would care. There are plenty of douchebags out there to get worked up over one. Myself included. Nice try Gus. I'm not defending him. I think it's just stupid to start another thread and blow this out of proportion. There was enough discussion going on in Dox's thread and IPL's thread. Ok fine, starting a new thread to bring this item to more light is ok. But if you're going to hate him. Hate him for who he screwed YoonYJ and Cube. Don't throw random shit at him like calling him a racist (even if he has the history of being one). It's irrelevant to the discussion. (also I didn't make a 4k+ post account just to pretend I'm someone else). How is Gus being a racist not relevent to this discussion when his character and integrity is being questioned in this thread. STOP defending him and get out of the thread if you dont like it or it just looks bad on you. Like seriously why are you so mad? It looks like you are Gus or a butt buddy of his tbh. You need to relax. The Gus guy sounds terrible but your posts make you sound like a little kid. But you know what, Gus probably deserves all forms of hate right now for whats transpired, so target your insults at him and not at objective posters.
Sorry but an objective poster would post evidence to prove me wrong. Saying dont talk about that because it makes him look worse is NOT objective.
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On November 08 2011 16:46 Highways wrote:
I completely missed this drama.
Can someone summarised what happened? I don't know where to start.
It has already been summarised by OopsOopsBaby, every detail in TLDR format (: .
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On November 08 2011 16:47 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 16:35 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 16:26 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 16:22 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 16:15 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 16:11 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 16:05 pdd wrote:On November 08 2011 15:57 jyLee wrote:On November 08 2011 15:54 mrtomjones wrote:On November 08 2011 15:49 jyLee wrote:
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He's been accused of being a racist with his blatantly biased picks. He's a dirtbag and he's killing esports. Hitler is a terrible analogy i have no idea why you would even bring that up. What he's done is criminal with breaking contracts and anyone associated with him doesnt look good either. They say you judge a man by the friends he keeps. So you know maybe try and troll a little less. how is HE trolling? Racist? I havn't seen that before you posted it. He took a strong korean player over the rightful person. Doesn't make him racist.. makes him a liar and a cheat. But yah you could chill out on someone who thinks the descriptions used are overboard for the situation. Look at his tournament and who he brought over. There is basically one white dude and everyone else is asian. I'm a korean and I think hes racist. He's accused of being racist on the SEA forum. Everything he's done looks bad. Why are you even arguing this? How is that racist, when this event is held in Asia? The only reason Naniwa and SaSe was there was because they are already in Asia. And he invited a white AZK player over an Asian Australia. Chill the fuck out man. Yeah the guy's a douche, but to throw other accusations at him and picking up pitchforks to hunt him is just incredibly ridiculous. There was no reason to start another thread other than the one that Dox and AlexIGN have already started. This fucking herd mentality in the community is just stupid. Ok Gus you are not just a douchebag. You are a criminal who does not honor contracts. You are an accused racist by other asians. You have a history of screwing over others and people close to you hate you. If you were only a douchebag nobody would care. There are plenty of douchebags out there to get worked up over one. Myself included. Nice try Gus. I'm not defending him. I think it's just stupid to start another thread and blow this out of proportion. There was enough discussion going on in Dox's thread and IPL's thread. Ok fine, starting a new thread to bring this item to more light is ok. But if you're going to hate him. Hate him for who he screwed YoonYJ and Cube. Don't throw random shit at him like calling him a racist (even if he has the history of being one). It's irrelevant to the discussion. (also I didn't make a 4k+ post account just to pretend I'm someone else). How is Gus being a racist not relevent to this discussion when his character and integrity is being questioned in this thread. STOP defending him and get out of the thread if you dont like it or it just looks bad on you. Like seriously why are you so mad? It looks like you are Gus or a butt buddy of his tbh. Why are you mad at him? And tell me why a white AZK player was flown from Australia instead of an Asian Australian who deserved it more than the white guy, if this guy is a racist? Why did he approach Moonglade, who is Caucasian, instead of an Asian Australian. Being racist and being a conman is mutually exclusive. You can be one without being the other you know. And again I am not defending him. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of your vendetta against him. You are nitpicking criticism to deflect some of the animosity aimed toward this dirtbag so that is in a way defending him. The racism accusations are from other forum members on SEA and expand further than just this tournament. I'm not mad at him, he disgusts me. Nothing I've said is something new and has already been said on other forums. It needs to be said again though because letting someone like Gus off the hook in any way would be a disservice to the community. Stop defending him and get out. Ok this will be my last post in this thread. You can continue raging after this. 1. Nirvana is a player within the SEA community who knows this people and has already said that he's not the racist. AZKziek was the racist. (look a couple of posts up). 2. Yes, this guy is a douchebag. I'm not denying it. I never went "OMG THIS GUYS A SHADY MOTHERFUCKER" in this thread, because how does that contribute anything? You've got so many people on Reddit, TL and spamming AZK and withdoc's Facebook with hate already. One more person doing that isn't going to change anything. 3. How is you posting repeatedly and rehashing what has been said contributing anything? Let me tell you something. ESPORTS is built not by you going on and on raging about the same thing which everyone has said, but by people who actually make the effort to do something about it. If people end up sanctioning this guy, then yes, it could be for the better. But you making 10 million posts about the same shit is not going to get him out of e-sports. 4. For that matter, how is you attacking and flaming people who are trying to be objective about the situation helping ESPORTS? 5. Reputable people in the business (Rachel, Torch, TheGunrun, Tastosis) are still making the best out of a bad situation. Rachel herself has shed more light on the situation there, saying just that the organizers just didn't have the resources or experience to hold the tournament. If they are willing to stick up for a tainted tournament at least just for the fans, who gave you the right to say who or what stays in or out of ESPORTS?
I think there has been a misunderstanding, the allegations of racism came from a member of the 'Cube' team, the same guy who said that Gus denied them their flight tickets. (Can't find the quote but it's posted on Dox's blog post)
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Never liked team AZK a single bit anyway.
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Some people will take a loot at a situation and turn a blind eye to the bad parts. For Rachel to say that the problem was "that the organizers just didn't have the resources or experience to hold the tournament" is like saying the Nazi's problem was that they had all these guns and tanks and soldiers. (I'm not comparing anyone to nazis). It's the choices that were made that affected other people that is the problem here. The promises made and broken, the people lied to and stabbed in the back, the contracts broken. The shady and underhanded bullshit. People that do things like that in other sports get spotted and outted and never come back again. That's what needs to happen here.
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