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XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 09:56:40
November 08 2011 09:54 GMT
#201
On November 08 2011 18:51 pbjsandwich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 18:49 XRaDiiX wrote:
On November 08 2011 18:43 pbjsandwich wrote:
I feel like I'm being trolled

I am the Topic Creator. I created this topic that you post in.


No i just thought you were trying to Defend Gus Sorry.

lol it's ok

I just don't like it when people base their opinions on false facts or come to conclusions that don't make any sense. This wasn't my intention.


Well he tried to Bribe Moon Glade to take YJY's Spot when YJY had rightfully earned the Spot to come to the PPSL Tournament; so i'm not sure how u can give Gus the Benefit of the Doubt.

It's already been proven and Confirmed the guys a Con-Artist.

You might wanna see my post on Page 8
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283641&currentpage=8#160
Never GG MKP | IdrA
arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 10:00:25
November 08 2011 10:00 GMT
#202
This is a shame
pbjsandwich
Profile Joined August 2010
United States443 Posts
November 08 2011 10:01 GMT
#203
On November 08 2011 18:54 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 18:51 pbjsandwich wrote:
On November 08 2011 18:49 XRaDiiX wrote:
On November 08 2011 18:43 pbjsandwich wrote:
I feel like I'm being trolled

I am the Topic Creator. I created this topic that you post in.


No i just thought you were trying to Defend Gus Sorry.

lol it's ok

I just don't like it when people base their opinions on false facts or come to conclusions that don't make any sense. This wasn't my intention.


Well he tried to Bribe Moon Glade to take YJY's Spot when YJY had rightfully earned the Spot to come to the PPSL Tournament; so i'm not sure how u can give Gus the Benefit of the Doubt.

It's already been proven and Confirmed the guys a Con-Artist.

You might wanna see my post on Page 8
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283641&currentpage=8#160

you basically said nothing

and referred to the supposed bracket fixing that never happened.
riez_n
Profile Joined November 2011
Philippines5 Posts
November 08 2011 10:04 GMT
#204
On November 08 2011 13:50 vertical101 wrote:
i thought Gus ledezma is helping the growth of esports here in PH. but more like ruinning esport.


yup. in a major, major way...
Woo Woo Woo! You know it!
dreadmourn
Profile Joined November 2011
Philippines4 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 10:07:52
November 08 2011 10:06 GMT
#205
On November 08 2011 18:49 17Sphynx17 wrote:
I do think this type of event should have been done either in Singapore, Australia or Malaysia. But certainly not in the Philippines because of just infrastructure problems to show it to the international community. Maybe in the future (quite doubtful) but not right now.



Sorry I'm just bothered by your last post, Philippines has the capability to host this kind of events. The infrastructure problems that you are referring to is the result of poor preparation and planning of one clan/team, and right now unsung heroes are out there in that tournament are trying to make it happen. Please do not include the entire country because of one clan/team's fault.
esotericc
Profile Joined July 2011
449 Posts
November 08 2011 10:07 GMT
#206
The worst part is this guy thought he would get away with this? I mean yea he got a couple grand but he and his team are basically going to be blacklisted from everything.

Doesn't seem like a smart move at any point along the line.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 10:13:48
November 08 2011 10:10 GMT
#207
On November 08 2011 19:01 pbjsandwich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 18:54 XRaDiiX wrote:
On November 08 2011 18:51 pbjsandwich wrote:
On November 08 2011 18:49 XRaDiiX wrote:
On November 08 2011 18:43 pbjsandwich wrote:
I feel like I'm being trolled

I am the Topic Creator. I created this topic that you post in.


No i just thought you were trying to Defend Gus Sorry.

lol it's ok

I just don't like it when people base their opinions on false facts or come to conclusions that don't make any sense. This wasn't my intention.


Well he tried to Bribe Moon Glade to take YJY's Spot when YJY had rightfully earned the Spot to come to the PPSL Tournament; so i'm not sure how u can give Gus the Benefit of the Doubt.

It's already been proven and Confirmed the guys a Con-Artist.

You might wanna see my post on Page 8
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=283641&currentpage=8#160

you basically said nothing

and referred to the supposed bracket fixing that never happened.



You don't know that for sure yet. The Brackets were apparently switched i wouldn't be surprised they were Switched in AZK's Favour.

Because they are also known Cheaters(Gus Purportedly Cheats) in Tournaments Check my Post.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
pbjsandwich
Profile Joined August 2010
United States443 Posts
November 08 2011 10:13 GMT
#208
we do know that they didn't from this post



http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?s=f5cfa2b439d71084244bd59f7cdfcb85&t=2699&page=5

TARossi's post. He is not affiliated with AZK. and l don't quite get ur post

so during matches he would watch the other guy his clanmate was playing and tell him what he was doing?

How would he do that?
Paaaz
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Philippines33 Posts
November 08 2011 10:16 GMT
#209
On November 08 2011 18:49 17Sphynx17 wrote:
I do think this type of event should have been done either in Singapore, Australia or Malaysia. But certainly not in the Philippines because of just infrastructure problems to show it to the international community. Maybe in the future (quite doubtful) but not right now.


The Philippines is quite capable of running an event of this sorts. Check out the Pinoy Gaming Festival by Mineski last week, it went smoothly.
Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
November 08 2011 10:19 GMT
#210
On November 08 2011 13:12 GettinMyFill wrote:
How many times are things like this going to happen before we have a legitimate pro-gamer union of some sort? There are too many scumbags from too many corners of the world who will do this kind of shit over and over and over. The prize-money involved, a majority of the time, is these players livelihood as pro-gamers. I understand that it's IPL's money that this guy has run off with, but there needs to be a governing body for StarCraft players to ensure this doesn't happen.

Surely with a community as large as ours we have some lawyers or legal-minded people who can shed some light on the implications of stupid shit such as this.

Just call UltraDavid, he'll get it done :D
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 10:23:06
November 08 2011 10:21 GMT
#211
On November 08 2011 19:13 pbjsandwich wrote:
we do know that they didn't from this post



http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?s=f5cfa2b439d71084244bd59f7cdfcb85&t=2699&page=5

TARossi's post. He is not affiliated with AZK. and l don't quite get ur post

so during matches he would watch the other guy his clanmate was playing and tell him what he was doing?

How would he do that?


And what would be the reason for them to all of a sudden re-arrange the Brackets you suppose....??????
Never GG MKP | IdrA
pbjsandwich
Profile Joined August 2010
United States443 Posts
November 08 2011 10:23 GMT
#212
you literally didn't read the post
dreadmourn
Profile Joined November 2011
Philippines4 Posts
November 08 2011 10:23 GMT
#213

The Philippines is quite capable of running an event of this sorts. Check out the Pinoy Gaming Festival by Mineski last week, it went smoothly.


exactly, even tons of Dota events, Ragnarok tournaments, Counter Strike tournaments. It's all because of poor management and planning of some selfish dudes.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 10:29:04
November 08 2011 10:26 GMT
#214
On November 08 2011 19:23 pbjsandwich wrote:
you literally didn't read the post


I did read it it doesn't state the Reason they Re-Arranged the Brackets for.
http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?p=44725#post44725


You should probably read DOX's Reply right after TARossi's post.

That's so bizarre... I wonder why they didn't just leave them alone the first time! They were perfectly fair! I'll update my post to clarify then - thank you for the insight!


Like i Said why didn't they just leave the Brackets in the Original State; I believe it was because AZK match Fixed. Or just took the Luck of the Draw. But still

Why were the Brackets Re-Arranged.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
17Sphynx17
Profile Joined September 2011
580 Posts
November 08 2011 10:26 GMT
#215
On November 08 2011 19:06 dreadmourn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 18:49 17Sphynx17 wrote:
I do think this type of event should have been done either in Singapore, Australia or Malaysia. But certainly not in the Philippines because of just infrastructure problems to show it to the international community. Maybe in the future (quite doubtful) but not right now.



Sorry I'm just bothered by your last post, Philippines has the capability to host this kind of events. The infrastructure problems that you are referring to is the result of poor preparation and planning of one clan/team, and right now unsung heroes are out there in that tournament are trying to make it happen. Please do not include the entire country because of one clan/team's fault.


I don't mean to be rude about about this post.

I am from the Phils. I have an ISP connection of 1.5mpbs, but you know what my upload speed is maxed? 200kbps. To run the event as a televised/recorded/VOD event is feasible. That is granted, but how to we compensate for the streams really? especially those that want to view quality streams at 720p or 1080p? I quite frankly believe this is very difficult for PH internet.

Case in point, we have DVR CCTV cameras here. If we had the proper internet infrastructure, it should be fairly easy to view the contents of the DVR or the real time videos without log at 24fps or 30fps. But sadly that is not the case, even with a dedicated business line. If this can't be done, how are we supposed to support the streaming capabilities or needs?

Please note that most of these DVR CCTV Cams record at just 480p or "VCD" quality and it is still proving difficult.

I am not questioning the capabilities of Filipinos to run the event, but when it comes to making it international through the web, it's a whole different matter.

And the best example is PLDT. It is the largest TELCO here is the philippines and it also operates the largest mobile network service provide SMART. It provides for wired and wireless internet service but is it consistent? consistent enough to host a high profile event of the caliber that is expected of us?

How was the stream for the WCG by Mineski? Stream quality? I wasn't able to watch it.
17Sphynx17
Profile Joined September 2011
580 Posts
November 08 2011 10:28 GMT
#216
On November 08 2011 19:23 dreadmourn wrote:
Show nested quote +

The Philippines is quite capable of running an event of this sorts. Check out the Pinoy Gaming Festival by Mineski last week, it went smoothly.


exactly, even tons of Dota events, Ragnarok tournaments, Counter Strike tournaments. It's all because of poor management and planning of some selfish dudes.


Well, CS, DOTA and Ragnarok have a means where you don't need to connect online in order to play and therefore, the burden to show/broadcast them from just 1 spectator/server PC is quite feasible as you just need to give 1 PC internet connectivity, unlike SC2 which requires all PCs to have internet functionality and connectivity to play SC2.

pbjsandwich
Profile Joined August 2010
United States443 Posts
November 08 2011 10:31 GMT
#217
On November 08 2011 19:26 XRaDiiX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 19:23 pbjsandwich wrote:
you literally didn't read the post


I did read it it doesn't state the Reason they Re-Arranged the Brackets for.
http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?p=44725#post44725


You should probably read DOX's Reply right after TARossi's post.

Show nested quote +
That's so bizarre... I wonder why they didn't just leave them alone the first time! They were perfectly fair! I'll update my post to clarify then - thank you for the insight!


Like i Said why didn't they just leave the Brackets in the Original State; I believe it was because AZK match Fixed. Or just took the Luck of the Draw. But still

Why were the Brackets Re-Arranged.

The original bracket on liquidpedia was just assumed

Someone there said that original bracket was never correct

you didn't read the post right
Shel
Profile Joined December 2010
United States104 Posts
November 08 2011 10:33 GMT
#218
"wrong, brackets were auto generated by someone at the scene who didnt know what was going on.
Brackets were then pulled out of a hat randomly for fairness." Tarossi's post on this thread: http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?s=f5cfa2b439d71084244bd59f7cdfcb85&t=2699&page=5

First off, how is auto-generating a bracket not fair? The programs used to generate brackets are IDENTICAL to pulling names out of a hat. The only reason to redo it is because someone didn't like the results of the first one.

Second, what does pulled names out of a hat mean? Who pulled the names? Who was there to see the names get pulled? If you wanted to make the bracket "fair", why not just computer generate it again? Maybe it's because you can't control the results of a computer generated bracket?

Third, the 4 AZK members ended up perfectly spread out in the 4 different brackets. Can someone tell me the odds of that happening? Zero overlap? Does that seem extremely unlikely in a random drawing to anyone else?
There is no spoon
dreadmourn
Profile Joined November 2011
Philippines4 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 10:36:13
November 08 2011 10:35 GMT
#219
On November 08 2011 19:26 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 19:06 dreadmourn wrote:
On November 08 2011 18:49 17Sphynx17 wrote:
I do think this type of event should have been done either in Singapore, Australia or Malaysia. But certainly not in the Philippines because of just infrastructure problems to show it to the international community. Maybe in the future (quite doubtful) but not right now.



Sorry I'm just bothered by your last post, Philippines has the capability to host this kind of events. The infrastructure problems that you are referring to is the result of poor preparation and planning of one clan/team, and right now unsung heroes are out there in that tournament are trying to make it happen. Please do not include the entire country because of one clan/team's fault.


I don't mean to be rude about about this post.

I am from the Phils. I have an ISP connection of 1.5mpbs, but you know what my upload speed is maxed? 200kbps. To run the event as a televised/recorded/VOD event is feasible. That is granted, but how to we compensate for the streams really? especially those that want to view quality streams at 720p or 1080p? I quite frankly believe this is very difficult for PH internet.

Case in point, we have DVR CCTV cameras here. If we had the proper internet infrastructure, it should be fairly easy to view the contents of the DVR or the real time videos without log at 24fps or 30fps. But sadly that is not the case, even with a dedicated business line. If this can't be done, how are we supposed to support the streaming capabilities or needs?

Please note that most of these DVR CCTV Cams record at just 480p or "VCD" quality and it is still proving difficult.

I am not questioning the capabilities of Filipinos to run the event, but when it comes to making it international through the web, it's a whole different matter.

And the best example is PLDT. It is the largest TELCO here is the philippines and it also operates the largest mobile network service provide SMART. It provides for wired and wireless internet service but is it consistent? consistent enough to host a high profile event of the caliber that is expected of us?

How was the stream for the WCG by Mineski? Stream quality? I wasn't able to watch it.

Ragnarok is an online game so I it requires internet connection.
Dude streaming is not a problem, there are tons of tools available. Have you been on Philippine H2H? every weekends? sometimes folks does live stream of that H2H with no problem. You don't need fancy equipment or super fast internet connection speed to run an event all you need is a good management, plan, coordination and a unselfish team who are dedicated with the game.
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
November 08 2011 10:35 GMT
#220
On November 08 2011 19:33 Shel wrote:
"wrong, brackets were auto generated by someone at the scene who didnt know what was going on.
Brackets were then pulled out of a hat randomly for fairness." Tarossi's post on this thread: http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?s=f5cfa2b439d71084244bd59f7cdfcb85&t=2699&page=5

First off, how is auto-generating a bracket not fair? The programs used to generate brackets are IDENTICAL to pulling names out of a hat. The only reason to redo it is because someone didn't like the results of the first one.

Second, what does pulled names out of a hat mean? Who pulled the names? Who was there to see the names get pulled? If you wanted to make the bracket "fair", why not just computer generate it again? Maybe it's because you can't control the results of a computer generated bracket?

Third, the 4 AZK members ended up perfectly spread out in the 4 different brackets. Can someone tell me the odds of that happening? Zero overlap? Does that seem extremely unlikely in a random drawing to anyone else?

The organizers just had bad organization skills. SaSe, Rossi and various other players at the venue have said that they're not sure when they're playing and stuff. Rossi, a player not associated with AZK in anyway, testifies to actually seeing the draw happen in person.

Not everything is a match fix.
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