EPTWhat Gus of the PPSL has done - Page 12
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Shel
United States104 Posts
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pbjsandwich
United States443 Posts
On November 08 2011 19:35 pdd wrote: The organizers just had bad organization skills. SaSe, Rossi and various other players at the venue have said that they're not sure when they're playing and stuff. Rossi, a player not associated with AZK in anyway, testifies to actually seeing the draw happen in person. Not everything is a match fix. exactly this comes from Rossi and come on even if the odds are against that happening it doesn't mean it won't happen. wtf. | ||
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arbitrageur
Australia1202 Posts
On November 08 2011 19:33 Shel wrote: "wrong, brackets were auto generated by someone at the scene who didnt know what was going on. Brackets were then pulled out of a hat randomly for fairness." Tarossi's post on this thread: http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?s=f5cfa2b439d71084244bd59f7cdfcb85&t=2699&page=5 First off, how is auto-generating a bracket not fair? The programs used to generate brackets are IDENTICAL to pulling names out of a hat. The only reason to redo it is because someone didn't like the results of the first one. Second, what does pulled names out of a hat mean? Who pulled the names? Who was there to see the names get pulled? If you wanted to make the bracket "fair", why not just computer generate it again? Maybe it's because you can't control the results of a computer generated bracket? Third, the 4 AZK members ended up perfectly spread out in the 4 different brackets. Can someone tell me the odds of that happening? Zero overlap? Does that seem extremely unlikely in a random drawing to anyone else? Why would they want to put 4 AZK guys against 4 Korean pros. That almost guarantees 0 of them will get through to Ro16. If they put all the 4 AZK guys against each other, 2 of them get through to Ro16.... | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On November 08 2011 19:31 pbjsandwich wrote: The original bracket on liquidpedia was just assumed Someone there said that original bracket was never correct you didn't read the post right "Someone there said that original bracket was never correct" Who? Sorry that's not evidence. Please Clarify more in your Posts. In No part of the Posts you link was this even said. All that was said was that "wrong, brackets were auto generated by someone at the scene who didnt know what was going on. Brackets were then pulled out of a hat randomly for fairness." | ||
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pbjsandwich
United States443 Posts
There are other things that Gus and AZK did that have more concrete proof why are you guys trying so hard on this? EDIT: Raid why are you quoting me? You want me to fucking quote the post for you? wrong, brackets were auto generated by someone at the scene who didnt know what was going on. Brackets were then pulled out of a hat randomly for fairness. Why are you trying so damn hard to go against what Rossi has said? | ||
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
On November 08 2011 19:38 arbitrageur wrote: Why would they want to put 4 AZK guys against 4 Korean pros. That almost guarantees 0 of them will get through to Ro16. If they put all the 4 AZK guys against each other, 2 of them get through to Ro16.... This. | ||
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17Sphynx17
580 Posts
On November 08 2011 19:35 dreadmourn wrote: Ragnarok is an online game so I it requires internet connection. Dude streaming is not a problem, there are tons of tools available. Have you been on Philippine H2H? every weekends? sometimes folks does live stream of that H2H with no problem. You don't need fancy equipment or super fast internet connection speed to run an event all you need is a good management, plan, coordination and a unselfish team who are dedicated with the game. Haven't seen H2H events, but as for Mineski's event, how was the stream? At what quality was the live stream? 480p, 720p or 1080p without any lag issues? Also, what is the H2H event of? Ragnarok? | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On November 08 2011 19:38 arbitrageur wrote: Why would they want to put 4 AZK guys against 4 Korean pros. That almost guarantees 0 of them will get through to Ro16. If they put all the 4 AZK guys against each other, 2 of them get through to Ro16.... That's not true at all your just making assumptions. I think having the 4 players spread out actually gives them a better Chance . Especially since the Players were spread out not to team-kill each other and on opposite halves of the Bracket. When they Re-Arranged the Brackets | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On November 08 2011 19:39 pbjsandwich wrote: i don't know why people are arguing against the facts There are other things that Gus and AZK did that have more concrete proof why are you guys trying so hard on this? EDIT: Raid why are you quoting me? You want me to fucking quote the post for you? Why are you trying so damn hard to go against what Rossi has said? That doesn't Prove anything it still doesn't explain 'Why' Most of importantly the Brackets were Re-Arranged. Maybe Re-Arranged too because Gus Decided to Cancel the Flights of the Cube Team Members and YJY (Denying them Flights) While Sending his own AZK Teammates to Fill-in Their Spots. So Possibly they had to Re-Arrange because of the Change of Line-Up Because AZK players Replaced the People who Truly Earned the Spots in the Tournament (Which Gus Denied them Flights paying for his own AZK players and/or One of the Koreans he sent Syckness to fight under the AZK banner for the Tournament) To me that's Fraud and Con-Artists. What he did was Shameful IPL/IGN Sent him the Money to Book their Flights and he weaseled his way out of booking the Flights for the two Cube Players and YJY. Instead using the Money for himself/ And/or AZK players to fill in their Spots in the Tournament | ||
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dormer
United States1314 Posts
That's the thing -- yeah, it's a little odd that they redid the brackets, and given the other issues I can understand people being suspicious. But other people have explained what happened, and the redone brackets didn't really help AZK that much anyways, if at all. When I saw Dox's blog, I was expecting something more extreme, but I looked at the new brackets and thought "Wait, is that even better for them? Why would they rearrange it like that on purpose?" People are just looking for more reasons to get angry and stir shit up even more than is needed. | ||
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Shel
United States104 Posts
I have to agree that pitting their players against top level koreans doesn't seem like a well thought out move, but it could be they were just trying to avoid teamkills. Trying to give their players the best experience possible. Obviously none of the AZK players had a chance to win to begin with. But when you look at what happened, that there was a bracket, and yes, there was one set because Rossi said there was, and then the bracket was redone for a bullshit reason, and in this new bracket all the AZK players were split up, it looks suspicious, no? | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
- both azk players was given walkovers in group e over rixilius and salt who coincidentally are from 'Cube' This Sealed the Deal for me on the Match Fixing. I wouldn't give Gus and His Crew the Benefit of the Doubt. | ||
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EnSky
Philippines1003 Posts
On November 08 2011 19:44 17Sphynx17 wrote: Haven't seen H2H events, but as for Mineski's event, how was the stream? At what quality was the live stream? 480p, 720p or 1080p without any lag issues? Also, what is the H2H event of? Ragnarok? SC2 matches are played in H2H. I firmly believe that PLDT or any other ISP in the PH is more than capable of providing for the streaming requirement. It's just that it will cost a lot more to gain more bandwidth. | ||
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Full.tilt
United Kingdom1709 Posts
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netherDrake
Singapore1831 Posts
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
On November 08 2011 19:53 Shel wrote: You guys, Rossi isn't actually saying anything. That's why I brought it up. Read critically. If Rossi had said "I saw them pull the names, it was all good" then I wouldn't have made a peep. But all we're hearing is the reason given for redoing the brackets. Can you not see it's a bullshit reason? Forget my accusation that they rigged the second bracket, can you explain to me how pulling names out of a hat is more fair then a random number generator? I have to agree that pitting their players against top level koreans doesn't seem like a well thought out move, but it could be they were just trying to avoid teamkills. Trying to give their players the best experience possible. Obviously none of the AZK players had a chance to win to begin with. But when you look at what happened, that there was a bracket, and yes, there was one set because Rossi said there was, and then the bracket was redone for a bullshit reason, and in this new bracket all the AZK players were split up, it looks suspicious, no? Exactly what i've been saying all along but the OP Keeps saying that my suspicions are Bull Shit. | ||
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Aetherial
Australia917 Posts
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esotericc
449 Posts
*edit* Didn't even addressee a single issue. | ||
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vijeze
Netherlands719 Posts
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Shel
United States104 Posts
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