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Shel
Profile Joined December 2010
United States104 Posts
November 08 2011 10:37 GMT
#221
Where does he testify to that?
There is no spoon
pbjsandwich
Profile Joined August 2010
United States443 Posts
November 08 2011 10:38 GMT
#222
On November 08 2011 19:35 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 19:33 Shel wrote:
"wrong, brackets were auto generated by someone at the scene who didnt know what was going on.
Brackets were then pulled out of a hat randomly for fairness." Tarossi's post on this thread: http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?s=f5cfa2b439d71084244bd59f7cdfcb85&t=2699&page=5

First off, how is auto-generating a bracket not fair? The programs used to generate brackets are IDENTICAL to pulling names out of a hat. The only reason to redo it is because someone didn't like the results of the first one.

Second, what does pulled names out of a hat mean? Who pulled the names? Who was there to see the names get pulled? If you wanted to make the bracket "fair", why not just computer generate it again? Maybe it's because you can't control the results of a computer generated bracket?

Third, the 4 AZK members ended up perfectly spread out in the 4 different brackets. Can someone tell me the odds of that happening? Zero overlap? Does that seem extremely unlikely in a random drawing to anyone else?

The organizers just had bad organization skills. SaSe, Rossi and various other players at the venue have said that they're not sure when they're playing and stuff. Rossi, a player not associated with AZK in anyway, testifies to actually seeing the draw happen in person.

Not everything is a match fix.

exactly

this comes from Rossi and come on even if the odds are against that happening it doesn't mean it won't happen. wtf.
arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
November 08 2011 10:38 GMT
#223
On November 08 2011 19:33 Shel wrote:
"wrong, brackets were auto generated by someone at the scene who didnt know what was going on.
Brackets were then pulled out of a hat randomly for fairness." Tarossi's post on this thread: http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?s=f5cfa2b439d71084244bd59f7cdfcb85&t=2699&page=5

First off, how is auto-generating a bracket not fair? The programs used to generate brackets are IDENTICAL to pulling names out of a hat. The only reason to redo it is because someone didn't like the results of the first one.

Second, what does pulled names out of a hat mean? Who pulled the names? Who was there to see the names get pulled? If you wanted to make the bracket "fair", why not just computer generate it again? Maybe it's because you can't control the results of a computer generated bracket?

Third, the 4 AZK members ended up perfectly spread out in the 4 different brackets. Can someone tell me the odds of that happening? Zero overlap? Does that seem extremely unlikely in a random drawing to anyone else?


Why would they want to put 4 AZK guys against 4 Korean pros. That almost guarantees 0 of them will get through to Ro16.

If they put all the 4 AZK guys against each other, 2 of them get through to Ro16....
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 10:42:23
November 08 2011 10:39 GMT
#224
On November 08 2011 19:31 pbjsandwich wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 19:26 XRaDiiX wrote:
On November 08 2011 19:23 pbjsandwich wrote:
you literally didn't read the post


I did read it it doesn't state the Reason they Re-Arranged the Brackets for.
http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?p=44725#post44725


You should probably read DOX's Reply right after TARossi's post.

That's so bizarre... I wonder why they didn't just leave them alone the first time! They were perfectly fair! I'll update my post to clarify then - thank you for the insight!


Like i Said why didn't they just leave the Brackets in the Original State; I believe it was because AZK match Fixed. Or just took the Luck of the Draw. But still

Why were the Brackets Re-Arranged.

The original bracket on liquidpedia was just assumed

Someone there said that original bracket was never correct

you didn't read the post right


"Someone there said that original bracket was never correct"

Who? Sorry that's not evidence. Please Clarify more in your Posts. In No part of the Posts you link was this even said.

All that was said was that

"wrong, brackets were auto generated by someone at the scene who didnt know what was going on.
Brackets were then pulled out of a hat randomly for fairness."
Never GG MKP | IdrA
pbjsandwich
Profile Joined August 2010
United States443 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 10:41:34
November 08 2011 10:39 GMT
#225
i don't know why people are arguing against the facts

There are other things that Gus and AZK did that have more concrete proof why are you guys trying so hard on this?

EDIT: Raid why are you quoting me?

You want me to fucking quote the post for you?

wrong, brackets were auto generated by someone at the scene who didnt know what was going on.
Brackets were then pulled out of a hat randomly for fairness.


Why are you trying so damn hard to go against what Rossi has said?
theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
November 08 2011 10:40 GMT
#226
On November 08 2011 19:38 arbitrageur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 19:33 Shel wrote:
"wrong, brackets were auto generated by someone at the scene who didnt know what was going on.
Brackets were then pulled out of a hat randomly for fairness." Tarossi's post on this thread: http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?s=f5cfa2b439d71084244bd59f7cdfcb85&t=2699&page=5

First off, how is auto-generating a bracket not fair? The programs used to generate brackets are IDENTICAL to pulling names out of a hat. The only reason to redo it is because someone didn't like the results of the first one.

Second, what does pulled names out of a hat mean? Who pulled the names? Who was there to see the names get pulled? If you wanted to make the bracket "fair", why not just computer generate it again? Maybe it's because you can't control the results of a computer generated bracket?

Third, the 4 AZK members ended up perfectly spread out in the 4 different brackets. Can someone tell me the odds of that happening? Zero overlap? Does that seem extremely unlikely in a random drawing to anyone else?


Why would they want to put 4 AZK guys against 4 Korean pros. That almost guarantees 0 of them will get through to Ro16.

If they put all the 4 AZK guys against each other, 2 of them get through to Ro16....

This.
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
17Sphynx17
Profile Joined September 2011
580 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 10:46:13
November 08 2011 10:44 GMT
#227
On November 08 2011 19:35 dreadmourn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 19:26 17Sphynx17 wrote:
On November 08 2011 19:06 dreadmourn wrote:
On November 08 2011 18:49 17Sphynx17 wrote:
I do think this type of event should have been done either in Singapore, Australia or Malaysia. But certainly not in the Philippines because of just infrastructure problems to show it to the international community. Maybe in the future (quite doubtful) but not right now.



Sorry I'm just bothered by your last post, Philippines has the capability to host this kind of events. The infrastructure problems that you are referring to is the result of poor preparation and planning of one clan/team, and right now unsung heroes are out there in that tournament are trying to make it happen. Please do not include the entire country because of one clan/team's fault.


I don't mean to be rude about about this post.

I am from the Phils. I have an ISP connection of 1.5mpbs, but you know what my upload speed is maxed? 200kbps. To run the event as a televised/recorded/VOD event is feasible. That is granted, but how to we compensate for the streams really? especially those that want to view quality streams at 720p or 1080p? I quite frankly believe this is very difficult for PH internet.

Case in point, we have DVR CCTV cameras here. If we had the proper internet infrastructure, it should be fairly easy to view the contents of the DVR or the real time videos without log at 24fps or 30fps. But sadly that is not the case, even with a dedicated business line. If this can't be done, how are we supposed to support the streaming capabilities or needs?

Please note that most of these DVR CCTV Cams record at just 480p or "VCD" quality and it is still proving difficult.

I am not questioning the capabilities of Filipinos to run the event, but when it comes to making it international through the web, it's a whole different matter.

And the best example is PLDT. It is the largest TELCO here is the philippines and it also operates the largest mobile network service provide SMART. It provides for wired and wireless internet service but is it consistent? consistent enough to host a high profile event of the caliber that is expected of us?

How was the stream for the WCG by Mineski? Stream quality? I wasn't able to watch it.

Ragnarok is an online game so I it requires internet connection.
Dude streaming is not a problem, there are tons of tools available. Have you been on Philippine H2H? every weekends? sometimes folks does live stream of that H2H with no problem. You don't need fancy equipment or super fast internet connection speed to run an event all you need is a good management, plan, coordination and a unselfish team who are dedicated with the game.


Haven't seen H2H events, but as for Mineski's event, how was the stream? At what quality was the live stream? 480p, 720p or 1080p without any lag issues?

Also, what is the H2H event of? Ragnarok?
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 10:46:40
November 08 2011 10:46 GMT
#228
On November 08 2011 19:38 arbitrageur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 19:33 Shel wrote:
"wrong, brackets were auto generated by someone at the scene who didnt know what was going on.
Brackets were then pulled out of a hat randomly for fairness." Tarossi's post on this thread: http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?s=f5cfa2b439d71084244bd59f7cdfcb85&t=2699&page=5

First off, how is auto-generating a bracket not fair? The programs used to generate brackets are IDENTICAL to pulling names out of a hat. The only reason to redo it is because someone didn't like the results of the first one.

Second, what does pulled names out of a hat mean? Who pulled the names? Who was there to see the names get pulled? If you wanted to make the bracket "fair", why not just computer generate it again? Maybe it's because you can't control the results of a computer generated bracket?

Third, the 4 AZK members ended up perfectly spread out in the 4 different brackets. Can someone tell me the odds of that happening? Zero overlap? Does that seem extremely unlikely in a random drawing to anyone else?


Why would they want to put 4 AZK guys against 4 Korean pros. That almost guarantees 0 of them will get through to Ro16.

If they put all the 4 AZK guys against each other, 2 of them get through to Ro16....


That's not true at all your just making assumptions. I think having the 4 players spread out actually gives them a better Chance .

Especially since the Players were spread out not to team-kill each other and on opposite halves of the Bracket. When they

Re-Arranged the Brackets
Never GG MKP | IdrA
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 10:51:05
November 08 2011 10:48 GMT
#229
On November 08 2011 19:39 pbjsandwich wrote:
i don't know why people are arguing against the facts

There are other things that Gus and AZK did that have more concrete proof why are you guys trying so hard on this?

EDIT: Raid why are you quoting me?

You want me to fucking quote the post for you?

Show nested quote +
wrong, brackets were auto generated by someone at the scene who didnt know what was going on.
Brackets were then pulled out of a hat randomly for fairness.


Why are you trying so damn hard to go against what Rossi has said?


That doesn't Prove anything it still doesn't explain 'Why' Most of importantly the Brackets were Re-Arranged.

Maybe Re-Arranged too because Gus Decided to Cancel the Flights of the Cube Team Members and YJY (Denying them Flights) While Sending his own AZK Teammates to Fill-in Their Spots.

So Possibly they had to Re-Arrange because of the Change of Line-Up Because AZK players Replaced the People who Truly Earned the Spots in the Tournament (Which Gus Denied them Flights paying for his own AZK players and/or One of the Koreans he sent Syckness to fight under the AZK banner for the Tournament)

To me that's Fraud and Con-Artists. What he did was Shameful IPL/IGN Sent him the Money to Book their Flights and he weaseled his way out of booking the Flights for the two Cube Players and YJY. Instead using the Money for himself/ And/or AZK players to fill in their Spots in the Tournament
Never GG MKP | IdrA
dormer
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1314 Posts
November 08 2011 10:49 GMT
#230
On November 08 2011 19:40 theBALLS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 19:38 arbitrageur wrote:
On November 08 2011 19:33 Shel wrote:
"wrong, brackets were auto generated by someone at the scene who didnt know what was going on.
Brackets were then pulled out of a hat randomly for fairness." Tarossi's post on this thread: http://www.sc2sea.com/showthread.php?s=f5cfa2b439d71084244bd59f7cdfcb85&t=2699&page=5

First off, how is auto-generating a bracket not fair? The programs used to generate brackets are IDENTICAL to pulling names out of a hat. The only reason to redo it is because someone didn't like the results of the first one.

Second, what does pulled names out of a hat mean? Who pulled the names? Who was there to see the names get pulled? If you wanted to make the bracket "fair", why not just computer generate it again? Maybe it's because you can't control the results of a computer generated bracket?

Third, the 4 AZK members ended up perfectly spread out in the 4 different brackets. Can someone tell me the odds of that happening? Zero overlap? Does that seem extremely unlikely in a random drawing to anyone else?


Why would they want to put 4 AZK guys against 4 Korean pros. That almost guarantees 0 of them will get through to Ro16.

If they put all the 4 AZK guys against each other, 2 of them get through to Ro16....

This.


That's the thing -- yeah, it's a little odd that they redid the brackets, and given the other issues I can understand people being suspicious. But other people have explained what happened, and the redone brackets didn't really help AZK that much anyways, if at all. When I saw Dox's blog, I was expecting something more extreme, but I looked at the new brackets and thought "Wait, is that even better for them? Why would they rearrange it like that on purpose?" People are just looking for more reasons to get angry and stir shit up even more than is needed.
Artosis: "You need to hold my hand." Tasteless: "I'm very good at that."
Shel
Profile Joined December 2010
United States104 Posts
November 08 2011 10:53 GMT
#231
You guys, Rossi isn't actually saying anything. That's why I brought it up. Read critically. If Rossi had said "I saw them pull the names, it was all good" then I wouldn't have made a peep. But all we're hearing is the reason given for redoing the brackets. Can you not see it's a bullshit reason? Forget my accusation that they rigged the second bracket, can you explain to me how pulling names out of a hat is more fair then a random number generator?

I have to agree that pitting their players against top level koreans doesn't seem like a well thought out move, but it could be they were just trying to avoid teamkills. Trying to give their players the best experience possible. Obviously none of the AZK players had a chance to win to begin with. But when you look at what happened, that there was a bracket, and yes, there was one set because Rossi said there was, and then the bracket was redone for a bullshit reason, and in this new bracket all the AZK players were split up, it looks suspicious, no?
There is no spoon
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
November 08 2011 10:58 GMT
#232
-players from filipino team 'Cube' was denied flights.
- both azk players was given walkovers in group e over rixilius and salt who coincidentally are from 'Cube'


This Sealed the Deal for me on the Match Fixing. I wouldn't give Gus and His Crew the Benefit of the Doubt.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
EnSky
Profile Joined June 2011
Philippines1003 Posts
November 08 2011 10:59 GMT
#233
On November 08 2011 19:44 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 19:35 dreadmourn wrote:
On November 08 2011 19:26 17Sphynx17 wrote:
On November 08 2011 19:06 dreadmourn wrote:
On November 08 2011 18:49 17Sphynx17 wrote:
I do think this type of event should have been done either in Singapore, Australia or Malaysia. But certainly not in the Philippines because of just infrastructure problems to show it to the international community. Maybe in the future (quite doubtful) but not right now.



Sorry I'm just bothered by your last post, Philippines has the capability to host this kind of events. The infrastructure problems that you are referring to is the result of poor preparation and planning of one clan/team, and right now unsung heroes are out there in that tournament are trying to make it happen. Please do not include the entire country because of one clan/team's fault.


I don't mean to be rude about about this post.

I am from the Phils. I have an ISP connection of 1.5mpbs, but you know what my upload speed is maxed? 200kbps. To run the event as a televised/recorded/VOD event is feasible. That is granted, but how to we compensate for the streams really? especially those that want to view quality streams at 720p or 1080p? I quite frankly believe this is very difficult for PH internet.

Case in point, we have DVR CCTV cameras here. If we had the proper internet infrastructure, it should be fairly easy to view the contents of the DVR or the real time videos without log at 24fps or 30fps. But sadly that is not the case, even with a dedicated business line. If this can't be done, how are we supposed to support the streaming capabilities or needs?

Please note that most of these DVR CCTV Cams record at just 480p or "VCD" quality and it is still proving difficult.

I am not questioning the capabilities of Filipinos to run the event, but when it comes to making it international through the web, it's a whole different matter.

And the best example is PLDT. It is the largest TELCO here is the philippines and it also operates the largest mobile network service provide SMART. It provides for wired and wireless internet service but is it consistent? consistent enough to host a high profile event of the caliber that is expected of us?

How was the stream for the WCG by Mineski? Stream quality? I wasn't able to watch it.

Ragnarok is an online game so I it requires internet connection.
Dude streaming is not a problem, there are tons of tools available. Have you been on Philippine H2H? every weekends? sometimes folks does live stream of that H2H with no problem. You don't need fancy equipment or super fast internet connection speed to run an event all you need is a good management, plan, coordination and a unselfish team who are dedicated with the game.


Haven't seen H2H events, but as for Mineski's event, how was the stream? At what quality was the live stream? 480p, 720p or 1080p without any lag issues?

Also, what is the H2H event of? Ragnarok?


SC2 matches are played in H2H. I firmly believe that PLDT or any other ISP in the PH is more than capable of providing for the streaming requirement. It's just that it will cost a lot more to gain more bandwidth.
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
November 08 2011 11:01 GMT
#234
I care about the SEA scene now as much as I did before any of this happened.
netherDrake
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Singapore1831 Posts
November 08 2011 11:01 GMT
#235
Gus is making a statement now.
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XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
November 08 2011 11:01 GMT
#236
On November 08 2011 19:53 Shel wrote:
You guys, Rossi isn't actually saying anything. That's why I brought it up. Read critically. If Rossi had said "I saw them pull the names, it was all good" then I wouldn't have made a peep. But all we're hearing is the reason given for redoing the brackets. Can you not see it's a bullshit reason? Forget my accusation that they rigged the second bracket, can you explain to me how pulling names out of a hat is more fair then a random number generator?

I have to agree that pitting their players against top level koreans doesn't seem like a well thought out move, but it could be they were just trying to avoid teamkills. Trying to give their players the best experience possible. Obviously none of the AZK players had a chance to win to begin with. But when you look at what happened, that there was a bracket, and yes, there was one set because Rossi said there was, and then the bracket was redone for a bullshit reason, and in this new bracket all the AZK players were split up, it looks suspicious, no?


Exactly what i've been saying all along but the OP Keeps saying that my suspicions are Bull Shit.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
Aetherial
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia917 Posts
November 08 2011 11:02 GMT
#237
Gus is talking on the stream...
esotericc
Profile Joined July 2011
449 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 11:02:47
November 08 2011 11:02 GMT
#238
Wow, he is making a statement right now on CSN stream.

*edit* Didn't even addressee a single issue.
vijeze
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands719 Posts
November 08 2011 11:02 GMT
#239
was gus nearly crying :O
Shel
Profile Joined December 2010
United States104 Posts
November 08 2011 11:02 GMT
#240
Yeah, the ISP trunk line has to be huge. They can route it to a venue and bring in enough cable to give you a massive amount of bandwidth. The Phillipines isn't a bunch of huts on stilts.
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