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leadsniper
Profile Joined November 2011
Philippines9 Posts
November 08 2011 11:03 GMT
#241
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Gus-Ledesma-Azk-Witchdoc/268583583178563

like this page, we will bring the Gus person down. Along with his Azk conspirators
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 11:07:19
November 08 2011 11:05 GMT
#242
Gus Didn't really admit anything what's really happened on Stream he literally only said he apoligizes for the Production Quality Etc.

But Somehow from his demeanour and disposition i could gather that he was exactly what i found out he was; a Con-Artist, a Thief, Liar, Deceiver and many many many Bad things i want to say but can't say on TL

He realised he had to make an apology but didn't really own up to any of the Shit Storm that Happened behind the Scenes.

I guess that would be kind-of inappropriate because of akwardness at a tournament setting though.

I Honestly hope he never gets to run a Tournament again after seeing the Bull Shit he pulled and got away with.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
Zraf
Profile Joined August 2010
54 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 11:31:32
November 08 2011 11:07 GMT
#243
On November 08 2011 19:44 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 19:35 dreadmourn wrote:
On November 08 2011 19:26 17Sphynx17 wrote:
On November 08 2011 19:06 dreadmourn wrote:
On November 08 2011 18:49 17Sphynx17 wrote:
I do think this type of event should have been done either in Singapore, Australia or Malaysia. But certainly not in the Philippines because of just infrastructure problems to show it to the international community. Maybe in the future (quite doubtful) but not right now.



Sorry I'm just bothered by your last post, Philippines has the capability to host this kind of events. The infrastructure problems that you are referring to is the result of poor preparation and planning of one clan/team, and right now unsung heroes are out there in that tournament are trying to make it happen. Please do not include the entire country because of one clan/team's fault.


I don't mean to be rude about about this post.

I am from the Phils. I have an ISP connection of 1.5mpbs, but you know what my upload speed is maxed? 200kbps. To run the event as a televised/recorded/VOD event is feasible. That is granted, but how to we compensate for the streams really? especially those that want to view quality streams at 720p or 1080p? I quite frankly believe this is very difficult for PH internet.

Case in point, we have DVR CCTV cameras here. If we had the proper internet infrastructure, it should be fairly easy to view the contents of the DVR or the real time videos without log at 24fps or 30fps. But sadly that is not the case, even with a dedicated business line. If this can't be done, how are we supposed to support the streaming capabilities or needs?

Please note that most of these DVR CCTV Cams record at just 480p or "VCD" quality and it is still proving difficult.

I am not questioning the capabilities of Filipinos to run the event, but when it comes to making it international through the web, it's a whole different matter.

And the best example is PLDT. It is the largest TELCO here is the philippines and it also operates the largest mobile network service provide SMART. It provides for wired and wireless internet service but is it consistent? consistent enough to host a high profile event of the caliber that is expected of us?

How was the stream for the WCG by Mineski? Stream quality? I wasn't able to watch it.

Ragnarok is an online game so I it requires internet connection.
Dude streaming is not a problem, there are tons of tools available. Have you been on Philippine H2H? every weekends? sometimes folks does live stream of that H2H with no problem. You don't need fancy equipment or super fast internet connection speed to run an event all you need is a good management, plan, coordination and a unselfish team who are dedicated with the game.


Haven't seen H2H events, but as for Mineski's event, how was the stream? At what quality was the live stream? 480p, 720p or 1080p without any lag issues?

Also, what is the H2H event of? Ragnarok?


Not to hate on Mineski; but the stream was really bad. The game audio was too loud overpowering the casters voice (they were also using old school mics instead of good quality headsets) and stream quality was below 480p. The live event went pretty well tho it seems.

I think the local internet is good enough for a decent 720 stream. When people set them up at home or somewhere they are familiar with, but on venues (inside shopping malls) its tends to be a problem.

Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
November 08 2011 11:07 GMT
#244
Gus didn't address anything, he just apologized for "problems".
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 11:08:42
November 08 2011 11:08 GMT
#245
He's in Denial because he knows he's Fucked.

Its actually not surprising he didn't admit anything in his statement. He's not gonna try and sneaky snake his way outta this one.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
Aetherial
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia917 Posts
November 08 2011 11:09 GMT
#246
On November 08 2011 20:07 Defacer wrote:
Gus didn't address anything, he just apologized for "problems".


Yeah exactly what I thought... he had an opportunity to really answer the criticisms but he didn't. No good answers perhaps?
17Sphynx17
Profile Joined September 2011
580 Posts
November 08 2011 11:11 GMT
#247
On November 08 2011 20:02 Shel wrote:
Yeah, the ISP trunk line has to be huge. They can route it to a venue and bring in enough cable to give you a massive amount of bandwidth. The Phillipines isn't a bunch of huts on stilts.


Yes, I think it is possible, but the problem is I think no one here is going to do it because of the overhead costs. It is still a business and it will hurt the bottom line immediately when they are not so sure that they can recoup it.

I am also asking the quality of streamed events from the Philippines. If we expect the community to watch us, we should give them quality streams/videos that they can watch in their TVs, so the minimum requirements is around 720p for DVD quality streams or higher. But no one has given me an answer yet of this actually being done.

This is an international tournament shown to an international community, not via cable TV but through the internet, do we have actual proof that we can stream 720p or higher in any event in the Philippines (as a live stream)?

Also, once you have it within a mall, it's immediately known that you won't be running a dedicated cable to give you the allocated bandwidth you need, you'd just be tapping to the existing infrastructure of the building. If it were an events venue the SMX or WTC then that is an entirely different matter.

Oh and events here would most likely opt for DSL lines and not cable internet eventhough cable should be better but more expensive. So that's my take on it.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
November 08 2011 11:11 GMT
#248
On November 08 2011 13:08 Zidane wrote:
lol at the disapearing HoN tournament money. WTF? how blatant is that?

He probably put that 2k into his drinking escapades with tasteless. Guy needs to be lynched.


I couldn't agree with you more.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
17Sphynx17
Profile Joined September 2011
580 Posts
November 08 2011 11:16 GMT
#249
On November 08 2011 20:07 Zraf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 19:44 17Sphynx17 wrote:
On November 08 2011 19:35 dreadmourn wrote:
On November 08 2011 19:26 17Sphynx17 wrote:
On November 08 2011 19:06 dreadmourn wrote:
On November 08 2011 18:49 17Sphynx17 wrote:
I do think this type of event should have been done either in Singapore, Australia or Malaysia. But certainly not in the Philippines because of just infrastructure problems to show it to the international community. Maybe in the future (quite doubtful) but not right now.



Sorry I'm just bothered by your last post, Philippines has the capability to host this kind of events. The infrastructure problems that you are referring to is the result of poor preparation and planning of one clan/team, and right now unsung heroes are out there in that tournament are trying to make it happen. Please do not include the entire country because of one clan/team's fault.


I don't mean to be rude about about this post.

I am from the Phils. I have an ISP connection of 1.5mpbs, but you know what my upload speed is maxed? 200kbps. To run the event as a televised/recorded/VOD event is feasible. That is granted, but how to we compensate for the streams really? especially those that want to view quality streams at 720p or 1080p? I quite frankly believe this is very difficult for PH internet.

Case in point, we have DVR CCTV cameras here. If we had the proper internet infrastructure, it should be fairly easy to view the contents of the DVR or the real time videos without log at 24fps or 30fps. But sadly that is not the case, even with a dedicated business line. If this can't be done, how are we supposed to support the streaming capabilities or needs?

Please note that most of these DVR CCTV Cams record at just 480p or "VCD" quality and it is still proving difficult.

I am not questioning the capabilities of Filipinos to run the event, but when it comes to making it international through the web, it's a whole different matter.

And the best example is PLDT. It is the largest TELCO here is the philippines and it also operates the largest mobile network service provide SMART. It provides for wired and wireless internet service but is it consistent? consistent enough to host a high profile event of the caliber that is expected of us?

How was the stream for the WCG by Mineski? Stream quality? I wasn't able to watch it.

Ragnarok is an online game so I it requires internet connection.
Dude streaming is not a problem, there are tons of tools available. Have you been on Philippine H2H? every weekends? sometimes folks does live stream of that H2H with no problem. You don't need fancy equipment or super fast internet connection speed to run an event all you need is a good management, plan, coordination and a unselfish team who are dedicated with the game.


Haven't seen H2H events, but as for Mineski's event, how was the stream? At what quality was the live stream? 480p, 720p or 1080p without any lag issues?

Also, what is the H2H event of? Ragnarok?


Not to hate on Mineski; but the stream was really bad. The game audio was too loud overpowering the casters voice (they were also using old school mics instead of good quality headsets) and stream quality was below 480p. The live event went pretty well tho it seems.

I think the local internet is good enough for a decent 720 stream. When people set them up at home or somewhere they are familiar with, but on venues (inside shopping malls) its tends to be a problem.

I think its not a problem when


Your statement is the reality I was talking about/mentioning. Given the location of where Mineski held the event, I doubt it was a dedicated line. Perhaps they tapped into a spare phone line the mall had so it was a DSL connection and a business line. But the internet here really fluctuates. My peak speed is 1.5mbps here, but I drop as low as 0.3mbps and I deem that lucky, others drop down to zero. I know what I'm talking about here.

Priority here is also download speed/bandwidth compared to upload. Like I mentioned in my previous post, my upload speed is only 200kbps-300kbps eventhough my total bandwidth is 1.5mbps as "advertised".

The infrastructure can be placed to make HD/HQ streams viewable for the world, but quite frankly, local event organizers won't pony up that cost because there is no guarantee they can/will recoup it. And even if there is a chance to recoup it, as a business man, they may opt to simply go with a "regular" connection option to increase profitability.

Sad but true, don't you agree?
Defacer
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada5052 Posts
November 08 2011 11:17 GMT
#250
I remember when people where complaining about the NASL, mostly due their production quality and Xeris' tendency to be a bit of a jackass on the message boards.

The difference is, the NASL was never actually -- y'know -- corrupt. They ran a fair tournament with consistent rules and paid out a shit-ton of money.
arbitrageur
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia1202 Posts
November 08 2011 11:17 GMT
#251
facebook needs to ban pages dedicated to the hate of an individual.
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
November 08 2011 11:19 GMT
#252
So they had inadequate equipment and internet necessary to play the game and at a bad time for the event.

Seems like some entity became a fall mugu to some dark skinned dude by canceling the flights and swapped other people in place... and the Hon money magically disappeared...?
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theBALLS
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Singapore2935 Posts
November 08 2011 11:24 GMT
#253
I really wonder what tastosis have to say about this.
If you lose the stick, you'll always have theBALLS.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 11:27:58
November 08 2011 11:25 GMT
#254
On November 08 2011 20:19 nalgene wrote:
So they had inadequate equipment and internet necessary to play the game and at a bad time for the event.

Seems like some entity became a fall mugu to some dark skinned dude by canceling the flights and swapped other people in place... and the Hon money magically disappeared...?



Also to add the Prize Pool isn't even known alot of different numbers were suggested implying that money may have been pilfered by Gus too?

"I don't think anyone actually knows what the prize money is. Some AZK guys were arguing with me yesterday in SC2SEA chat, saying that the prize money is $7,000-$9,000 USD. But at that very same moment, Allyn was quizzing the crowd live on stream, announcing that the prize is $2,000 USD. So I dunno."
Never GG MKP | IdrA
S2Lunar
Profile Joined June 2011
1051 Posts
November 08 2011 11:25 GMT
#255
On November 08 2011 20:03 leadsniper wrote:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Gus-Ledesma-Azk-Witchdoc/268583583178563

like this page, we will bring the Gus person down. Along with his Azk conspirators


This is so unnecessary it's not even funny... the last thing the community needs is another witch hunt with more and more drama. -_-
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
November 08 2011 11:28 GMT
#256
On November 08 2011 20:24 theBALLS wrote:
I really wonder what tastosis have to say about this.


I hope Artosis is on the next SotG, would be good to hear his views on this debacle.
Such flammable little insects!
Paaaz
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Philippines33 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 11:34:58
November 08 2011 11:31 GMT
#257
On November 08 2011 19:28 17Sphynx17 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 19:23 dreadmourn wrote:

The Philippines is quite capable of running an event of this sorts. Check out the Pinoy Gaming Festival by Mineski last week, it went smoothly.


exactly, even tons of Dota events, Ragnarok tournaments, Counter Strike tournaments. It's all because of poor management and planning of some selfish dudes.


Well, CS, DOTA and Ragnarok have a means where you don't need to connect online in order to play and therefore, the burden to show/broadcast them from just 1 spectator/server PC is quite feasible as you just need to give 1 PC internet connectivity, unlike SC2 which requires all PCs to have internet functionality and connectivity to play SC2.



They were streaming SC2 games just fine. It wasn't high quality, but it's certainly better than this. I agree that we have crap net though simply because we have crap net.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 11:33:43
November 08 2011 11:32 GMT
#258
On November 08 2011 20:24 theBALLS wrote:
I really wonder what tastosis have to say about this.


I feel bad for anyone involved with the Tournament right now; because they are obliged to continue with the Tournament.(Organizers/Casters/Etc)

While at the same time; It's Disgusting that they have to be involved/associated with such a Fiasco.

This kind-of thing should never happen; Such an embarrassment and awkward for all people involved.
Never GG MKP | IdrA
KillAudio
Profile Joined October 2010
1364 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-08 11:46:25
November 08 2011 11:46 GMT
#259
good thing it's not reflecting the whole philippine scene, just azk (i hope).
From a scale of sheth to idra, how mad are you?
esotericc
Profile Joined July 2011
449 Posts
November 08 2011 11:53 GMT
#260
I can almost guarantee no logical person on the internet thinks this reflects the philipines in anyway, just a terrible person and a greedy team.
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