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Sbrubbles
Brazil5775 Posts
On November 09 2011 04:51 Techno wrote: Heres hoping Protoss wins the next couple GSLs so we can go back to the good ol days of Zerg whining. I know! Zerg whining was much more fun than this Terran/Protoss whining. As a Zerg, I mostly approve this patch, though the protoss weapon upgrade cost buff is annoying! At least they didn't make lv 1 cheaper, so I won't complain. | ||
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RastaMonsta
304 Posts
On November 09 2011 04:59 JediGamer wrote: Been experimenting with a triple forge build vs terran and zerg... winning too many games simply by pressing chronoboost. Wonder what the point in this change was. R u just mad u got into GM based off the glitch and are back to masters where you belong? The forge buff doesnt help much and you are still going to all in every game so why do you care? User was warned for this post | ||
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kedarking
Netherlands98 Posts
On November 08 2011 08:30 strength wrote: Im not too sure if im a big fan of the protoss upgrades, but time will tell. EMP isnt the problem! ITS SNIPE (im zerg hehehe) Kinda thinking if these changes were necessary. Never had all your infestors get EMP'ed by a single ghost in a second tht you weren't paying attention? I'm sure I have... | ||
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IVN
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Cronin
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polysciguy
United States488 Posts
On November 09 2011 05:44 Cronin wrote: It's not that EMP was necessarily imba. More that terran doesn't have any other solution but to MMMGV against toss, but that should be fixed in HotS with warhounds and battle hellions :D dont forget the shredders preventing anything other than like immortal harrass | ||
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Qntc.YuMe
United States792 Posts
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Remfire
492 Posts
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RavenLoud
Canada1100 Posts
On November 09 2011 05:46 OpTiKDream wrote: I dont understand why there are protoss who believe this patch doesnt change much about the impact in PvT. Its a buff for protoss and nerf for terran, its better than nothing. All they are saying is that the upgrade cost reduction doesn't make as much difference as people seem to perceive because the research time remains the same. Most people who QQ seem to have instantly thought in ratios of old vs new cost and assumed without a thought that now the upgrades are 20%-30% better and faster, and protoss will now have 3/3/3 by the 10 minute mark before terran has the time to start 1/1. The EMP thing is fairly well accepted already. | ||
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woody60707
United States1863 Posts
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JustTray
127 Posts
On November 09 2011 03:45 Sphen5117 wrote: Wait, you mean you have to build a tier 2 unit to counter our tier 3 ones? PREPOSTEROUS. YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO STOP US WITH TIER 1!! Your vikings are your initial air unit, no tech lab or upgrades needed. And they SHIT on everything in the sky. Heaven forbid you have to have some army composition, or build a unit that doesn't get completely maxed off the 2 upgrades you stacking for your marine/maraders. Just some facts/opinions to clear this up; Vikings are Tier 3. Vikings are also absolutely required to counter collosi, and since you have to outnumber them, also usually requires a reactor on top. Ghosts are not the most powerful unit, and have NEVER been. Recently that role has been reserved for infestors and collosi. EMP radius was nerfed once already in the beta or soon after, I forget. Ghosts are required to beat equally skilled protoss as gateway units in bulk are superior to even MMM when used properly. They always have been used at high skill levels in TvP for that reason since the beginning of the game. | ||
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Kamais_Ookin
Canada4218 Posts
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genius_man16
United States749 Posts
We'll just have to see i guess  | ||
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woody60707
United States1863 Posts
On November 09 2011 06:12 Kamais_Ookin wrote: Would be awesome to see some triple forge builds now that the upgrades are cheaper. Nah, it still it will stay double forge builds. L1w & L1a. Next you get L2w & L1s. The L2a & L3w. Lastly L3a &L2s Because Level 3 shield still cost a crap load. | ||
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Nightshake
France412 Posts
On November 08 2011 08:36 Al Bundy wrote: I like this patch: it's straightforward and reasonable. Now hopefully Protoss players in the GSL will have a better shot. No, because NesTea and the other Terrans still better. It's not a balance problem. Protoss is going to dominate in Europe, I think. | ||
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Skyro
United States1823 Posts
On November 09 2011 05:01 Elefanto wrote: I think everyone can agree that Ht's currently are mediocre, to say the least. I would go out as far and say every protoss would actually take a heavy colossus nerf in exchange for a reasonable templar tech route. Templar (dt / ht) play in general is way more fun to play and to watch than colossus. But the Templar paths are currently to expensive for what they bring you, making everything involving them currently extremely volatile. It's funny how even protoss players hate colossi. If they replaced the colossus with reavers I'm pretty sure nobody would complain. Reavers were fun to play, fun to watch, and reavers drops was a staple harass tactic. T_T wru reavers... | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On November 09 2011 06:08 JustTray wrote: Just some facts/opinions to clear this up; Vikings are Tier 3. Vikings are also absolutely required to counter collosi, and since you have to outnumber them, also usually requires a reactor on top. Ghosts are not the most powerful unit, and have NEVER been. Recently that role has been reserved for infestors and collosi. EMP radius was nerfed once already in the beta or soon after, I forget. Ghosts are required to beat equally skilled protoss as gateway units in bulk are superior to even MMM when used properly. They always have been used at high skill levels in TvP for that reason since the beginning of the game. Vikings are not Tier 3 The whole 'tier' thing comes from Zerg, Hive = T3 and Vikings are way lower tech | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
you can dodge storms as terran if you are not bad nerf is good ghosts are too OP. snipe and EMP on the same unit is just lulz | ||
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Arterial
Australia1039 Posts
If you think about it, more often than not, good protoss' will have their 3/3 upgrades done before the other races, with consistent chronos and what-not. EMP-nerf is a more direct nerf obviously. | ||
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Condor Hero
United States2931 Posts
On November 09 2011 05:46 OpTiKDream wrote: I dont understand why there are protoss who believe this patch doesnt change much about the impact in PvT. Its a buff for protoss and nerf for terran, its better than nothing. These last two patches are buffs for Protoss and obviously welcomed but I still think there needs to be more changes. If I'm looking at this patch from a Terran perspective, there is absolutely nothing I would do differently except maybe add in 1-2 more Ghosts than normal for late-game situations. Compare this to the Infestor buff, which fundamentally changed just about every aspect of the PvZ matchup, it's disappointing. | ||
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