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On November 08 2011 12:07 ZorBa.G wrote:OK, I must admit that I'm a sad Marine now. How come Terran doesn't get a powerful unit that we can simply a move with hardly any micro? Zergs get the broodlord, Toss gett the collossi... all in the meantime us Terrans keep getting nerfed and are expected to micro EVEN MORE! I used to do the 1 rax fe and 2 rax pressure fe builds against Toss..... I'm debating wether if I should now resort to doing the 1-1-1. If us Terrans keep spamming the 1-1-1 build, we'll just see more continous QQ from other races accusing us Terrans of being imba. I think we should just do the 1 rax fe builds now and hope to god we don't get nerfed even more. Hang on, what am I saying? No matter what Terran does, we will just keep getting nerfed lol. Screw it, I'm spamming 1-1-1 against every fkn toss now. I feel sorry for new players that are introduced to the game a couple years from now. It will be like, "Why the fuck do I have to micro so god damn much just to stay even with a toss or zerg army? They can just a move me!" I will reply "Well, back in the day everyone constantly QQ'd about the Terran race and basically blizzard just nerfed it into the ground, so don't bother with Terran.... just go play Toss or Zerg and simply macro a move  "
Hasn't everyone been arguing since beta that there isn't enough in SC2 that rewards good micro? Is expecting you to micro really that big a deal?
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On November 08 2011 12:07 ZorBa.G wrote:OK, I must admit that I'm a sad Marine now. How come Terran doesn't get a powerful unit that we can simply a move with hardly any micro? Zergs get the broodlord, Toss gett the collossi... all in the meantime us Terrans keep getting nerfed and are expected to micro EVEN MORE! I used to do the 1 rax fe and 2 rax pressure fe builds against Toss..... I'm debating wether if I should now resort to doing the 1-1-1. If us Terrans keep spamming the 1-1-1 build, we'll just see more continous QQ from other races accusing us Terrans of being imba. I think we should just do the 1 rax fe builds now and hope to god we don't get nerfed even more. Hang on, what am I saying? No matter what Terran does, we will just keep getting nerfed lol. Screw it, I'm spamming 1-1-1 against every fkn toss now. I feel sorry for new players that are introduced to the game a couple years from now. It will be like, "Why the fuck do I have to micro so god damn much just to stay even with a toss or zerg army? They can just a move me!" I will reply "Well, back in the day everyone constantly QQ'd about the Terran race and basically blizzard just nerfed it into the ground, so don't bother with Terran.... just go play Toss or Zerg and simply macro a move "
dude if you don't like how ur fucking race works, JUST SWITCH
for fuck sake u're not even complaining about balance right now
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On November 08 2011 12:06 Noro wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 12:04 killerdog wrote:On the b.net forums a bunch of people have posted pics of their portrait pages where "starcraft master" is the same picture as the master chef zealot thing. one of the links they give, herenot sure how reliable that is though, could be fake. That's what it was pre-patch
Starcraft Master better give me a BoxeR portrait
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On November 08 2011 12:08 Avril_Lavigne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 12:06 ReignFayth wrote:On November 08 2011 12:02 Avril_Lavigne wrote:On November 08 2011 11:59 ReignFayth wrote:On November 08 2011 11:57 s3rp wrote:On November 08 2011 11:55 Snorkle wrote:On November 08 2011 11:47 Kwanny wrote:On November 08 2011 11:46 Snorkle wrote:On November 08 2011 11:36 Eps wrote:On November 08 2011 11:27 Snorkle wrote:
If the range on emp is still 10 instead of 9 ghosts will still emp templar before they can feedback/storm ghosts... not even mentioning snipe meh.
I still think feedback needs to be same range as snipe (10)
Something is better than nothing though. Ghosts are meant to be Anti-Caster units, that's what they do. Do you really think the Templar should be on par with essentially dedicated Anti-Caster Units? And have one of the best AOE spells in the game, And have the option to morph into a Bio-Wrecking ball when their energy is depleted? In the tvp matchup they are actually the anti-everything protoss makes unit. So yes, I do think they should be on par. Storm as best AOE spell in the game is laughable. Yeah, it's kinda imbalanced, that 1 emp kills tons of zealots. oh wait. If you hit 3 zealots with 1 emp you effectively killed a zealot instantly. If you hit 2 stalkers with an emp you effectively killed a stalker instantly. If you carpet bomb the entire protoss army in emp's you effectively cut his army in half, instantly. So yes, in application 1 emp kills tons of zealots. Thats like saying if i stim i kill 1/4 of my units , total bullcrap. The units will still do damage because they aren't dead unlike Biounits hit by storm , those are actually dead. marines are dead, marauders are not, and you can still save a few marines from it you can't dodge EMP, you can just try to stay away from the ghost as long as possible and kill them before they get to ur army You can still anticipate where he will EMP you and force him to miss, that's what I do vs storm. Oh and you can also spread your units out, that seems like a logical maneuver. Dunno why protoss are having trouble figuring that one out herp derp maybe it's the apm that it takes to actually do it. yeah he can split his unit but he has to attack at some point right? and that's when SC2 fucks things up, it becomes a goddamn ball again before u reach ur opponent's army, you just have to back a little bit, it's a cute ball again and u EMP all of it how about you start playing protoss and try dodging EMPs Now granted I don't play Protoss at a super duper high level, but at Mid Master level I can easily win late game with a simple 1a and doing absolutely nothing all game long but turtling
I can do the same playing terran at mid master level too, so this is totally irrelevent, balance should never be discussed from a mid master standpoint
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On November 08 2011 12:10 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 12:08 Avril_Lavigne wrote:On November 08 2011 12:06 ReignFayth wrote:On November 08 2011 12:02 Avril_Lavigne wrote:On November 08 2011 11:59 ReignFayth wrote:On November 08 2011 11:57 s3rp wrote:On November 08 2011 11:55 Snorkle wrote:On November 08 2011 11:47 Kwanny wrote:On November 08 2011 11:46 Snorkle wrote:On November 08 2011 11:36 Eps wrote:
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Ghosts are meant to be Anti-Caster units, that's what they do.
Do you really think the Templar should be on par with essentially dedicated Anti-Caster Units? And have one of the best AOE spells in the game, And have the option to morph into a Bio-Wrecking ball when their energy is depleted? In the tvp matchup they are actually the anti-everything protoss makes unit. So yes, I do think they should be on par. Storm as best AOE spell in the game is laughable. Yeah, it's kinda imbalanced, that 1 emp kills tons of zealots. oh wait. If you hit 3 zealots with 1 emp you effectively killed a zealot instantly. If you hit 2 stalkers with an emp you effectively killed a stalker instantly. If you carpet bomb the entire protoss army in emp's you effectively cut his army in half, instantly. So yes, in application 1 emp kills tons of zealots. Thats like saying if i stim i kill 1/4 of my units , total bullcrap. The units will still do damage because they aren't dead unlike Biounits hit by storm , those are actually dead. marines are dead, marauders are not, and you can still save a few marines from it you can't dodge EMP, you can just try to stay away from the ghost as long as possible and kill them before they get to ur army You can still anticipate where he will EMP you and force him to miss, that's what I do vs storm. Oh and you can also spread your units out, that seems like a logical maneuver. Dunno why protoss are having trouble figuring that one out herp derp maybe it's the apm that it takes to actually do it. yeah he can split his unit but he has to attack at some point right? and that's when SC2 fucks things up, it becomes a goddamn ball again before u reach ur opponent's army, you just have to back a little bit, it's a cute ball again and u EMP all of it how about you start playing protoss and try dodging EMPs Now granted I don't play Protoss at a super duper high level, but at Mid Master level I can easily win late game with a simple 1a and doing absolutely nothing all game long but turtling I can do the same playing terran at mid master level too, so this is totally irrelevent, balance should never be discussed from a mid master standpoint
I disagree with this.
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On November 08 2011 12:10 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 12:07 ZorBa.G wrote:OK, I must admit that I'm a sad Marine now. How come Terran doesn't get a powerful unit that we can simply a move with hardly any micro? Zergs get the broodlord, Toss gett the collossi... all in the meantime us Terrans keep getting nerfed and are expected to micro EVEN MORE! I used to do the 1 rax fe and 2 rax pressure fe builds against Toss..... I'm debating wether if I should now resort to doing the 1-1-1. If us Terrans keep spamming the 1-1-1 build, we'll just see more continous QQ from other races accusing us Terrans of being imba. I think we should just do the 1 rax fe builds now and hope to god we don't get nerfed even more. Hang on, what am I saying? No matter what Terran does, we will just keep getting nerfed lol. Screw it, I'm spamming 1-1-1 against every fkn toss now. I feel sorry for new players that are introduced to the game a couple years from now. It will be like, "Why the fuck do I have to micro so god damn much just to stay even with a toss or zerg army? They can just a move me!" I will reply "Well, back in the day everyone constantly QQ'd about the Terran race and basically blizzard just nerfed it into the ground, so don't bother with Terran.... just go play Toss or Zerg and simply macro a move " dude if you don't like how ur fucking race works, JUST SWITCH for fuck sake u're not even complaining about balance right now
There are some players for example me that absolutely dispise the other races they don't play and don't want to switch ...
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On November 08 2011 12:11 Avril_Lavigne wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 12:10 ReignFayth wrote:On November 08 2011 12:08 Avril_Lavigne wrote:On November 08 2011 12:06 ReignFayth wrote:On November 08 2011 12:02 Avril_Lavigne wrote:On November 08 2011 11:59 ReignFayth wrote:On November 08 2011 11:57 s3rp wrote:On November 08 2011 11:55 Snorkle wrote:On November 08 2011 11:47 Kwanny wrote:On November 08 2011 11:46 Snorkle wrote:
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In the tvp matchup they are actually the anti-everything protoss makes unit.
So yes, I do think they should be on par.
Storm as best AOE spell in the game is laughable. Yeah, it's kinda imbalanced, that 1 emp kills tons of zealots. oh wait. If you hit 3 zealots with 1 emp you effectively killed a zealot instantly. If you hit 2 stalkers with an emp you effectively killed a stalker instantly. If you carpet bomb the entire protoss army in emp's you effectively cut his army in half, instantly. So yes, in application 1 emp kills tons of zealots. Thats like saying if i stim i kill 1/4 of my units , total bullcrap. The units will still do damage because they aren't dead unlike Biounits hit by storm , those are actually dead. marines are dead, marauders are not, and you can still save a few marines from it you can't dodge EMP, you can just try to stay away from the ghost as long as possible and kill them before they get to ur army You can still anticipate where he will EMP you and force him to miss, that's what I do vs storm. Oh and you can also spread your units out, that seems like a logical maneuver. Dunno why protoss are having trouble figuring that one out herp derp maybe it's the apm that it takes to actually do it. yeah he can split his unit but he has to attack at some point right? and that's when SC2 fucks things up, it becomes a goddamn ball again before u reach ur opponent's army, you just have to back a little bit, it's a cute ball again and u EMP all of it how about you start playing protoss and try dodging EMPs Now granted I don't play Protoss at a super duper high level, but at Mid Master level I can easily win late game with a simple 1a and doing absolutely nothing all game long but turtling I can do the same playing terran at mid master level too, so this is totally irrelevent, balance should never be discussed from a mid master standpoint I disagree with this.
You disagree with what? that I can A move with terran? or that balance shudn't be discussed from a mid master standpoint?
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On November 08 2011 12:12 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 12:10 ReignFayth wrote:On November 08 2011 12:07 ZorBa.G wrote:OK, I must admit that I'm a sad Marine now. How come Terran doesn't get a powerful unit that we can simply a move with hardly any micro? Zergs get the broodlord, Toss gett the collossi... all in the meantime us Terrans keep getting nerfed and are expected to micro EVEN MORE! I used to do the 1 rax fe and 2 rax pressure fe builds against Toss..... I'm debating wether if I should now resort to doing the 1-1-1. If us Terrans keep spamming the 1-1-1 build, we'll just see more continous QQ from other races accusing us Terrans of being imba. I think we should just do the 1 rax fe builds now and hope to god we don't get nerfed even more. Hang on, what am I saying? No matter what Terran does, we will just keep getting nerfed lol. Screw it, I'm spamming 1-1-1 against every fkn toss now. I feel sorry for new players that are introduced to the game a couple years from now. It will be like, "Why the fuck do I have to micro so god damn much just to stay even with a toss or zerg army? They can just a move me!" I will reply "Well, back in the day everyone constantly QQ'd about the Terran race and basically blizzard just nerfed it into the ground, so don't bother with Terran.... just go play Toss or Zerg and simply macro a move " dude if you don't like how ur fucking race works, JUST SWITCH for fuck sake u're not even complaining about balance right now There are some players for example me that absolutely dispise the other races they don't play and don't want to switch ...
then don't fucking complain about ur race mechanics
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On November 08 2011 11:56 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 11:42 Quotidian wrote:On November 08 2011 09:49 aksfjh wrote:
Can't believe the EMP nerf made it through as is. Wonder how many Terrans will flee during this patch... I'll just keep one-base all-ining. It's obviously what Blizzard wants terran players to do, considering that terran has to go for what is basically an early/midgame composition all game long and that factory units are worthless. Oh, and every protoss player with any brains will be doing double forge now, as if that style wasn't ridiculously strong already. Tvp has - since the damage modifier was added on tanks - been a garbage match up, now it's going to be worse. And from what I can tell from twiddling with the HOTS custom stuff, the expansion isn't going to make mech work there either. Fun I'm trying to understand something, so bear with me. You're upset that Terrans have to use "an early/midgame composition all game long," which is shorthand for "Barracks units." You lament that "factory units are worthless". OK. So what exactly is it that you want? It can't be to be able to go for MMM for a while, then transition into Mech. Because the Terran race doesn't work that way. Every Barracks you build for your MMM ball is a Factory you don't have. Every upgrade for your MMM ball is worthless for your eventual transition to Mech.
That kind of transition works fine in tvt and tvz, why shouldn't it work in tvp?
More than any other race, Terrans are hidebound to a single production structure. You have to pick your path and go with it. You can't go 4-rax and then transition into Mech, because those 4-rax and the associated upgrades are now worthless.
look at tvz, it's marine/siege tanks... two upgrade paths. Your dogma isn't actually based in reality.
Which means that what you really want is to be able to use a lategame composition all game long. Why is that any better than "an early/midgame composition all game long?" As long as the composition works, who cares what Tier it is?
notice how I didn't use the word "tier."
mmm + v/g has always felt to me like an army that is not actually supposed to win in a 200 vs 200 fight against protoss, and yet it is somehow the ONLY way to play lategame tvp. It's a flimsy, really shitty army that'll die instantly if you make one small mistake. It's one of the reasons I have a huge problem taking all the protoss whine seriously, because I know that the code S terrans who are able to beat protoss players with lategame ghost play or whatever really are doing a lot of things almost to perfection, just in order to not simply die to the first colossus swipe.
The reason I chose to play terran in the first place, is that I want that big, slow, meticulously positioned siege tank army. I want position to matter, I want good tech switching to matter. Tvp just isn't any of these things.
It seems to me that the problem is the structure of the Terran race. At some point, you become committed to a tech path, and there's nothing you can do except continue to follow it to its inevitable conclusion. You are either going to go with that earlygame composition forever or the lategame one.
It sounds to me like what Terrans need are more StarPort units that can enhance the effectiveness of their "early/midgame composition". Medivacs are a good start, but beefing up the Raven would be a great addendum late-game to give MMM a good kick in the pants.
no, what terran needs is a siege tank that is able to compete in terms of raw damage output with a unit like the colossus. But there are so many things that kill tanks or don't die to tanks in the protoss army. Like Thorzain once said on here.. tanks are worthless once charge is done.
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Both. You're honestly saying that Terran has to do absolutely nothing but turtle till late game, and 1a a 200 vs 200 army in PvT? okay. The way I see it, passivity favors Protoss more than Terran
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On November 08 2011 12:13 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 12:12 s3rp wrote:On November 08 2011 12:10 ReignFayth wrote:On November 08 2011 12:07 ZorBa.G wrote:OK, I must admit that I'm a sad Marine now. How come Terran doesn't get a powerful unit that we can simply a move with hardly any micro? Zergs get the broodlord, Toss gett the collossi... all in the meantime us Terrans keep getting nerfed and are expected to micro EVEN MORE! I used to do the 1 rax fe and 2 rax pressure fe builds against Toss..... I'm debating wether if I should now resort to doing the 1-1-1. If us Terrans keep spamming the 1-1-1 build, we'll just see more continous QQ from other races accusing us Terrans of being imba. I think we should just do the 1 rax fe builds now and hope to god we don't get nerfed even more. Hang on, what am I saying? No matter what Terran does, we will just keep getting nerfed lol. Screw it, I'm spamming 1-1-1 against every fkn toss now. I feel sorry for new players that are introduced to the game a couple years from now. It will be like, "Why the fuck do I have to micro so god damn much just to stay even with a toss or zerg army? They can just a move me!" I will reply "Well, back in the day everyone constantly QQ'd about the Terran race and basically blizzard just nerfed it into the ground, so don't bother with Terran.... just go play Toss or Zerg and simply macro a move " dude if you don't like how ur fucking race works, JUST SWITCH for fuck sake u're not even complaining about balance right now There are some players for example me that absolutely dispise the other races they don't play and don't want to switch ... then don't fucking complain about ur race mechanics
Why not ? There's plenty wrong with Terran ( and the other 2 races as well ) that need change....
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On November 08 2011 11:59 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 11:55 Snorkle wrote:On November 08 2011 11:47 Kwanny wrote:On November 08 2011 11:46 Snorkle wrote:On November 08 2011 11:36 Eps wrote:On November 08 2011 11:27 Snorkle wrote:
If the range on emp is still 10 instead of 9 ghosts will still emp templar before they can feedback/storm ghosts... not even mentioning snipe meh.
I still think feedback needs to be same range as snipe (10)
Something is better than nothing though. Ghosts are meant to be Anti-Caster units, that's what they do. Do you really think the Templar should be on par with essentially dedicated Anti-Caster Units? And have one of the best AOE spells in the game, And have the option to morph into a Bio-Wrecking ball when their energy is depleted? In the tvp matchup they are actually the anti-everything protoss makes unit. So yes, I do think they should be on par. Storm as best AOE spell in the game is laughable. Yeah, it's kinda imbalanced, that 1 emp kills tons of zealots. oh wait. If you hit 3 zealots with 1 emp you effectively killed a zealot instantly. If you hit 2 stalkers with an emp you effectively killed a stalker instantly. If you carpet bomb the entire protoss army in emp's you effectively cut his army in half, instantly. So yes, in application 1 emp kills tons of zealots. ... what? One EMP kills nothing. Those units are still alive. There's no "effectively killed" anything. EMP doesn't kill anything. Those units still exist. They still have to be shot to die. They can still do damage. There is no way in which you can say that those units are "dead". While 1 EMP on 3 Zealots may have done sufficient damage to kill a Zealot, you still have three Zealots. They are weaker, but they have not gone anywhere. An EMP'd Stalker can still kill stuff. A Stalker at 1 health can still kill stuff. No, 1 EMP kills nothing. What kills the army is the EMP plus the followup attack.
So?
Plague didn't kill anything in Broodwar either, are you going to say that spell is inferior to a spell like Psi-Storm too?
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On November 08 2011 12:14 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 12:13 ReignFayth wrote:On November 08 2011 12:12 s3rp wrote:On November 08 2011 12:10 ReignFayth wrote:On November 08 2011 12:07 ZorBa.G wrote:OK, I must admit that I'm a sad Marine now. How come Terran doesn't get a powerful unit that we can simply a move with hardly any micro? Zergs get the broodlord, Toss gett the collossi... all in the meantime us Terrans keep getting nerfed and are expected to micro EVEN MORE! I used to do the 1 rax fe and 2 rax pressure fe builds against Toss..... I'm debating wether if I should now resort to doing the 1-1-1. If us Terrans keep spamming the 1-1-1 build, we'll just see more continous QQ from other races accusing us Terrans of being imba. I think we should just do the 1 rax fe builds now and hope to god we don't get nerfed even more. Hang on, what am I saying? No matter what Terran does, we will just keep getting nerfed lol. Screw it, I'm spamming 1-1-1 against every fkn toss now. I feel sorry for new players that are introduced to the game a couple years from now. It will be like, "Why the fuck do I have to micro so god damn much just to stay even with a toss or zerg army? They can just a move me!" I will reply "Well, back in the day everyone constantly QQ'd about the Terran race and basically blizzard just nerfed it into the ground, so don't bother with Terran.... just go play Toss or Zerg and simply macro a move " dude if you don't like how ur fucking race works, JUST SWITCH for fuck sake u're not even complaining about balance right now There are some players for example me that absolutely dispise the other races they don't play and don't want to switch ... then don't fucking complain about ur race mechanics Why not ? There's plenty wrong with Terran ( and the other 2 races as well ) that need change....
oh so you think it's wrong that terran can be the strongest race when used optimally? you think the race should be dumbed down for stupider players to feel better about themselves?
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On November 08 2011 12:16 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 12:14 s3rp wrote:On November 08 2011 12:13 ReignFayth wrote:On November 08 2011 12:12 s3rp wrote:On November 08 2011 12:10 ReignFayth wrote:On November 08 2011 12:07 ZorBa.G wrote:OK, I must admit that I'm a sad Marine now. How come Terran doesn't get a powerful unit that we can simply a move with hardly any micro? Zergs get the broodlord, Toss gett the collossi... all in the meantime us Terrans keep getting nerfed and are expected to micro EVEN MORE! I used to do the 1 rax fe and 2 rax pressure fe builds against Toss..... I'm debating wether if I should now resort to doing the 1-1-1. If us Terrans keep spamming the 1-1-1 build, we'll just see more continous QQ from other races accusing us Terrans of being imba. I think we should just do the 1 rax fe builds now and hope to god we don't get nerfed even more. Hang on, what am I saying? No matter what Terran does, we will just keep getting nerfed lol. Screw it, I'm spamming 1-1-1 against every fkn toss now. I feel sorry for new players that are introduced to the game a couple years from now. It will be like, "Why the fuck do I have to micro so god damn much just to stay even with a toss or zerg army? They can just a move me!" I will reply "Well, back in the day everyone constantly QQ'd about the Terran race and basically blizzard just nerfed it into the ground, so don't bother with Terran.... just go play Toss or Zerg and simply macro a move " dude if you don't like how ur fucking race works, JUST SWITCH for fuck sake u're not even complaining about balance right now There are some players for example me that absolutely dispise the other races they don't play and don't want to switch ... then don't fucking complain about ur race mechanics Why not ? There's plenty wrong with Terran ( and the other 2 races as well ) that need change.... oh so you think it's wrong that terran can be the strongest race when used optimally? you think the race should be dumbed down for stupider players to feel better about themselves?
Thats not what i meant ......... . In an ideal game every race had plenty of ways to play that don't put you behind immidiatly , sadly thats not that the case right now. I want freaking variation and not the same shit all the time or you'll probably lose.
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On November 08 2011 12:10 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 12:06 Noro wrote:On November 08 2011 12:04 killerdog wrote:On the b.net forums a bunch of people have posted pics of their portrait pages where "starcraft master" is the same picture as the master chef zealot thing. one of the links they give, herenot sure how reliable that is though, could be fake. That's what it was pre-patch Starcraft Master better give me a BoxeR portrait
That would be the sexiest thing in the world
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On November 08 2011 12:14 Avril_Lavigne wrote:
Both. You're honestly saying that Terran has to do absolutely nothing but turtle till late game, and 1a a 200 vs 200 army in PvT? okay. The way I see it, passivity favors Protoss more than Terran
yeeaaaah clearly not since people learned to use ghosts properly, this is what all good protosses are complaining about lately, they used to struggle early game kinda and then once it got to late game they could win with a better army, but now good terrans learned how to position their units and just mass EMP to totally rip apart 200/200 toss armies
hopefully this EMP change will balance things out
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On November 08 2011 12:16 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 12:16 ReignFayth wrote:On November 08 2011 12:14 s3rp wrote:On November 08 2011 12:13 ReignFayth wrote:On November 08 2011 12:12 s3rp wrote:On November 08 2011 12:10 ReignFayth wrote:On November 08 2011 12:07 ZorBa.G wrote:OK, I must admit that I'm a sad Marine now. How come Terran doesn't get a powerful unit that we can simply a move with hardly any micro? Zergs get the broodlord, Toss gett the collossi... all in the meantime us Terrans keep getting nerfed and are expected to micro EVEN MORE! I used to do the 1 rax fe and 2 rax pressure fe builds against Toss..... I'm debating wether if I should now resort to doing the 1-1-1. If us Terrans keep spamming the 1-1-1 build, we'll just see more continous QQ from other races accusing us Terrans of being imba. I think we should just do the 1 rax fe builds now and hope to god we don't get nerfed even more. Hang on, what am I saying? No matter what Terran does, we will just keep getting nerfed lol. Screw it, I'm spamming 1-1-1 against every fkn toss now. I feel sorry for new players that are introduced to the game a couple years from now. It will be like, "Why the fuck do I have to micro so god damn much just to stay even with a toss or zerg army? They can just a move me!" I will reply "Well, back in the day everyone constantly QQ'd about the Terran race and basically blizzard just nerfed it into the ground, so don't bother with Terran.... just go play Toss or Zerg and simply macro a move " dude if you don't like how ur fucking race works, JUST SWITCH for fuck sake u're not even complaining about balance right now There are some players for example me that absolutely dispise the other races they don't play and don't want to switch ... then don't fucking complain about ur race mechanics Why not ? There's plenty wrong with Terran ( and the other 2 races as well ) that need change.... oh so you think it's wrong that terran can be the strongest race when used optimally? you think the race should be dumbed down for stupider players to feel better about themselves? Thats not what i meant ......... . In an ideal game every race had plenty of ways to play that don't put you behind immidiatly , sadly thats not that the case right now. I want freaking variation and not the same shit all the time or you'll probably lose.
so you just want more... options? isn't terran like the race with the most options?
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On November 08 2011 12:14 Avril_Lavigne wrote:
Both. You're honestly saying that Terran has to do absolutely nothing but turtle till late game, and 1a a 200 vs 200 army in PvT? okay. The way I see it, passivity favors Protoss more than Terran
exactly. And it's the same in tvz. Both zerg and protoss benefit from being left alone - terran gets no benefits from this at all, which is why the have to gain small advantages elsewhere.
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On November 08 2011 12:13 ReignFayth wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 12:12 s3rp wrote:On November 08 2011 12:10 ReignFayth wrote:On November 08 2011 12:07 ZorBa.G wrote:OK, I must admit that I'm a sad Marine now. How come Terran doesn't get a powerful unit that we can simply a move with hardly any micro? Zergs get the broodlord, Toss gett the collossi... all in the meantime us Terrans keep getting nerfed and are expected to micro EVEN MORE! I used to do the 1 rax fe and 2 rax pressure fe builds against Toss..... I'm debating wether if I should now resort to doing the 1-1-1. If us Terrans keep spamming the 1-1-1 build, we'll just see more continous QQ from other races accusing us Terrans of being imba. I think we should just do the 1 rax fe builds now and hope to god we don't get nerfed even more. Hang on, what am I saying? No matter what Terran does, we will just keep getting nerfed lol. Screw it, I'm spamming 1-1-1 against every fkn toss now. I feel sorry for new players that are introduced to the game a couple years from now. It will be like, "Why the fuck do I have to micro so god damn much just to stay even with a toss or zerg army? They can just a move me!" I will reply "Well, back in the day everyone constantly QQ'd about the Terran race and basically blizzard just nerfed it into the ground, so don't bother with Terran.... just go play Toss or Zerg and simply macro a move " dude if you don't like how ur fucking race works, JUST SWITCH for fuck sake u're not even complaining about balance right now There are some players for example me that absolutely dispise the other races they don't play and don't want to switch ... then don't fucking complain about ur race mechanics
Each race in starcraft has its own character/style/lore background. Zerg are the mass swarm which just overruns the enemy, protoss is few in number, but those units are incredibly powerful, they work well when together but suffer when seperated. And terran ar the humans who individually are very weak but use strategy and guerilla tactics mixed with long defensive lines of tanks to beat the enemy. If you want an a-move race then choose the race designed to have a single powerful army. Dont choose the harrasy-defensive race and then whine when you can't use it to do powerful a-move pushes.
Its like me playing protoss and complaining about how i cant take 4 bases at the twelve minute mark then spam units like zerg does... the race just isn't designed to be used like that.
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