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sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
November 07 2011 17:08 GMT
#1
Yestereday i had a very interesting conversation with my father who works as a shrink. He came into my room while i was just loosing a game to a 6pool and he heard me cursing and knocking my desk.

What Game is it that can unleash such strong emotions, son? he asked me.

I told him about starcraft 2 and a little about the ESPORTS scene. Then i asked him if he thought that it was bad for me to play this game, as it can cause so much anger. but then he said something wich would give me a new perspective on gaming:

"No son, i think that it is very good that you have found an outlet for your repressed anger

Now, after thinking about it, i think he is very right, and that gaming/starcraft IS a very good form of therapy. Just think about it :

1. It occupies your mind and makes you focus on a particular task, clearing your mind from other stressful thoughts.

2. It can be an outlet for repressed anger, wich most of us carry around.

What do you guys think of this? do you agree that Starcraft 2 and gaming in general can be a valid form of therapy that can ease your mind from stress and repressed anger?

I think this could also explain the whole ragequit phenomenom and why people get so upset about losing. its not the game that creates this anger, we already carry around these feelings of repressed anger, and the game is just a trigger that opens the vault of repressed emotions. So dont feel guilty or weak for getting upset when you lose to a stupid cheese, be happy that you have found an outlet for those emotions
you no take candle
Gyro_SC2
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada540 Posts
November 07 2011 17:14 GMT
#2
If you hate losing to banshee its because you have an Oedipus complex.

No, seriouly i dont believe in psychoanalytic theory.
LightTemplar
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Ireland481 Posts
November 07 2011 17:16 GMT
#3
I find it useful to shut down my mind from something thats been bothering me emotionally and just play a game, but yeh sometimes i'd prefer that it was a meaningless shooter like TF2 or something as then i dont get annoyed by stupid cheese, but even then i do like how SC2 can completely occupy my mind where other games can't. Just my 2cents
"Thoughts are always there, the mind can't stop" - Grubby
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
November 07 2011 17:17 GMT
#4
On November 08 2011 02:14 Gyro_SC2 wrote:
If you hate losing to banshee its because you have an Oedipus complex.

No, seriouly i dont believe in psychoanalytic theory.


This is not about psychoanalytic theory. i think you somehow misunderstood the topic.
you no take candle
scur2d2
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada104 Posts
November 07 2011 17:18 GMT
#5
On November 08 2011 02:14 Gyro_SC2 wrote:
If you hate losing to banshee its because you have an Oedipus complex.

No, seriouly i dont believe in psychoanalytic theory.



Reasons?
Bite off more than you can chew, then chew it.
Sansai
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria188 Posts
November 07 2011 17:19 GMT
#6
On November 08 2011 02:18 scur2d2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 02:14 Gyro_SC2 wrote:
If you hate losing to banshee its because you have an Oedipus complex.

No, seriouly i dont believe in psychoanalytic theory.



Reasons?

because most of it is based on vague theory and in the end it will always be something related to sexuality
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 17:21:36
November 07 2011 17:19 GMT
#7
I think it is the opposite: It creates additional anger.
At least for me it really doesn't feel like an outlet.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
November 07 2011 17:21 GMT
#8
On November 08 2011 02:19 Sansai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 02:18 scur2d2 wrote:
On November 08 2011 02:14 Gyro_SC2 wrote:
If you hate losing to banshee its because you have an Oedipus complex.

No, seriouly i dont believe in psychoanalytic theory.



Reasons?

because most of it is based on vague theory and in the end it will always be something related to sexuality


PLEASE dont bring freud into this topic.
you no take candle
halvorg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Norway717 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 17:35:25
November 07 2011 17:24 GMT
#9
Man must be so strange to have a shrink dad, your conversation really went that way?

Son, are you ready to come sit with us and eat? It is of my opinion that you will enjoy it.

Father, could you change the channel?
Is there something in this scene depicting copulation between man and wife that you find uncomfortable to watch with me? Son, you can always talk to me

OT: I've no idea about 2. But yeah it clears my mind. I sometimes load up an audibook and play sc2 without ingame sound while listening, shuts me off completely.

saynomore
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway149 Posts
November 07 2011 17:26 GMT
#10
On November 08 2011 02:08 sc2holar wrote:
I think this could also explain the whole ragequit phenomenom and why people get so upset about losing. its not the game that creates this anger, we already carry around these feelings of repressed anger, and the game is just a trigger that opens the vault of repressed emotions. So dont feel guilty or weak for getting upset when you lose to a stupid cheese, be happy that you have found an outlet for those emotions


Nah. I dont think that it does not create those emotions. SC2/BW makes me really angry sometimes, I dont think those feelings are coming from something else.

Ans why should I feel "guilty or weak for getting upset when you lose to a stupid cheese"? Those are normal feelings, but acting like a prick because of it does not excuse your behavior.
I dont like you
eccokk
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany38 Posts
November 07 2011 17:27 GMT
#11
On November 08 2011 02:19 Hardigan wrote:
I think it is the opposite: It creates additional anger.
At least for me it really doesn't feel like an outlet.


i fully agree, it is not like you let out your frustration from your day job or whatever.

not angry - play game - get cheesed - get angry
Toads
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada1795 Posts
November 07 2011 17:28 GMT
#12
I don't think so. Must of those angry nerd is angry because they are bad at starcraft2 thins is not repressed anger. This is my opinion at least. Maybe I'm wrong :\
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y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 17:33:04
November 07 2011 17:30 GMT
#13
a) your father b) a shrink (and you actually call him that?) [edit: not american] approve of you doing something that makes you almost lose control of yourself?

As to your question; I don't believe most people have repressed anger... If they did, perhaps sc2 (if it did actually make those individuals angry) could be an outlet.
IMO, most people use video games as escapes (occupies their mind fully so they don't have to think about/focus on the hardships of life - avoidance iirc). Also, I think if you're getting to the point of breaking stuff (not you, but there's a thread about that) you probably should reevaluate your priorities and learn more self control (and/or how to stop cheese).
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
November 07 2011 17:31 GMT
#14
Just about any game can be an outlet for aggression, SC2 is no different from CoD in that regard.
/commercial
Kroml
Profile Joined September 2011
Turkey308 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 17:41:40
November 07 2011 17:32 GMT
#15
after 16 years of pc gaming, what I can say is:

1- Yes it occupies your mind, that's true but the result is the numbing. When you come back to real world and your problems, you will have a big rush of bad feelings when you face them. So from my experience, yes it clears your mind from stressful thoughts but you will have to eventually face that thoughts, this is just a way to delay, make it easier, like alcohol or sports.

2- I agree 100%, so true. The people, choosing to play PC games or sth else, to stay away from stressful thoughts, have generally have repressed anger, most of the time, it can be about family, other unfortunate things in life etc. But I think it doesn't generate additional anger, it's just pushing your repressed anger to surface. If you observe, most of the time people with happy life, don't rage over SC2, they say "ah whatever". If you have repressed anger, for anything else, it surfaces here. Getting cheesed is just an excuse. Note: I am exluding professional sc2 players from the last sentence who are earning their bread by playing starcraft 2.

That's my thought...
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
November 07 2011 17:33 GMT
#16
On November 08 2011 02:27 eccokk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 02:19 Hardigan wrote:
I think it is the opposite: It creates additional anger.
At least for me it really doesn't feel like an outlet.


i fully agree, it is not like you let out your frustration from your day job or whatever.

not angry - play game - get cheesed - get angry


the idea is that you, during your childhood/life build up an amount of repressed anger that constantly affects your life and personality, but because it is REPRESSED you will not feel angry. It is impossible to feel this anger, since it has been stuffed away deep inside of your subconscious. It can, however, act out in other ways and cause personality disorders, obsessions and other forms of destructive behaviour.
you no take candle
Split.
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland234 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 17:49:31
November 07 2011 17:35 GMT
#17
Point 2 is in fact related to psychoanalysis. What you talk about is called catharsis ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharsis ), but it is only a theory and not sufficiently proven yet. So as good as an idea it sounds, it's merely a theory and that's why I don't agree with you.

(Even more so because you can only let steam off if you win, as losing only creates more anger, and battlenet makes sure you have about 50:50 win ratio...)
Tedde93
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden169 Posts
November 07 2011 17:39 GMT
#18
It doesn't really take away any stress since it at least in my case can often generate stress (not lasting after I've stopped playing), laddering 1v1 isn't a very peaceful experience. I'm not to sure of it being a good outlet for anger either.
Patiance is the element of succes"
MysteryHours
Profile Joined September 2010
United States168 Posts
November 07 2011 17:47 GMT
#19
I think the flaw here is assuming that you have a finite amount of anger you carry around and raging at your opponents in SC2 removes this anger. It might be the case that SC2 creates anger that wouldn't otherwise exist. Perhaps the expression of anger in a safe environment could be therapeutic in some situations, but if you already have anger issues playing SC2 may just exacerbate the problem.
shivren
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland22 Posts
November 07 2011 17:50 GMT
#20
Actually, every game let's you think about something else than reality for a little while. And it's helpful if you're dealing with a lot of problems in your life. I am suffering from depression now and it helps A LOT to be interested in something, so I can focus on playing, watching tournaments, replays, analyzing my games, making up builds etc.
About the anger part - it really depends... SC2 can generate stress in more doses than actually taking it away, but if you manage to win a match after a losing streak or after a really long, tiring game, the satisfaction and 'in your face' feeling you get is pretty amazing. You do feel like you've accomplished something no matter how many times you've lost.
That's how I see it, anyways.
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3691 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 18:05:29
November 07 2011 17:53 GMT
#21
Actually I have been using videogames for that all my life, these games allow you to forget the troubles of your life and focus on something else. In terms of starcraft it does requiere a lot of focus and you can't really bother not focusing on the game for any second, singleplayer games on the other hand allow you to get into a different world and just forget what angers you atm.
I do agree with your statement and your dads, but imo that is probably true for every hobby/sport one can do.

I don't really get all these negative comments, of course you probably should think about you and starcraft again when you smash your screen whenever you loose, but whats wrong with being passionate about the thing you love? No one bitches when soccer/football/whatever players get angry after loosing a game, nobody likes to loose and if you are passionate about sc2 I don't see anything wrong with being angry over a loos, of course not totally violatly angry, but come on whats wrong with showing some passion over the thing that makes you happy?
Stipulation
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States587 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 18:05:10
November 07 2011 18:04 GMT
#22
This is a very interesting topic. I look forward to seeing where this thread goes.

Is competition really good for therapy? I would think (and I have no experience her, just speculation) that you would avoid competitive activities.
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
November 07 2011 18:11 GMT
#23
I don't think sc2 is the best way to go about if you want to let off steam or relieve stress.Maybe something like team games or a FFA.Other than that,I only play 1v1 when I am calm and have a clear mind or else I'm in for a loosing streak and just get more angry.But that's just me.
Cackle™
Qntc.YuMe
Profile Joined January 2011
United States792 Posts
November 07 2011 18:11 GMT
#24
i find starcraft 2 more stressing than relieving..
RavenLoud
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada1100 Posts
November 07 2011 18:12 GMT
#25
Have to say that I would never agree with quantitative psychological theories i.e. you have x amount of anger or what not.

Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
November 07 2011 18:15 GMT
#26
I only play zerg because kerrigan is the mother i never had
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
lefix
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1082 Posts
November 07 2011 18:16 GMT
#27
i think it really depends on how seriously you take the game. it could also be a cause of additional anger and frustration.
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clayn
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany444 Posts
November 07 2011 18:16 GMT
#28
its not a good therapy since i have to buy lots of new keyboards and headsets
zarepath
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1626 Posts
November 07 2011 18:19 GMT
#29
On November 08 2011 03:15 Kira__ wrote:
I only play zerg because kerrigan is the mother i never had

Best reply for a psychoanalysis thread. That crap's just waiting to be mined. Papers will be published, mark my words.

Now as to why someone picks Terran... all the phallic symbols in the race? Gauss rifles, all the missiles, and don't even get me started on siege tanks...
"Your efforts you put in will never betray you." - Flash | "If I'm not good enough, I don't wanna win." - Naniwa
jayman
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States78 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 18:21:07
November 07 2011 18:19 GMT
#30
Repressed anger against one's inability to perform well? Could be.

It's possible that we're not really raging at the other player who cheesed us and took a win from us, but rather raging at ourselves that we lost to something stupid -- which means subconsciously we're stupid.

I think it could aid us in learning how to deal with anger, and the only way to deal with anger is knowing what the zerg is up to, or if the protoss saved up all of his chrono boost. By the way, where is that Terran anyway?
"Life is a comedy for those who think, a tragedy for those who feel." - Horace Walpole
striderxxx
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada443 Posts
November 07 2011 18:25 GMT
#31
If it's true about it being an outlet for anger, Idra must be a VERY relaxed person off SC2
striderxxx
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada443 Posts
November 07 2011 18:28 GMT
#32
[QUOTE]On November 08 2011 03:19 zarepath wrote:
[QUOTE]On November 08 2011 03:15 Kira__ wrote:
Now as to why someone picks Terran... all the phallic symbols in the race? Gauss rifles, all the missiles, and don't even get me started on siege tanks...[/QUOTE]

splash damage!! lol, yes, terran turtle may be the outlet for deviant minds
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
November 07 2011 18:30 GMT
#33
its a hobby, not therapy. doing stuff you enjoy makes you feel better. i don't buy that it is a therapy for anything though.
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
November 07 2011 18:31 GMT
#34
I personally find Tower defense games to be the most stress relieving ones. They are slow and doesnt require fast actions, but they are involving enough to take your mind off your troubles and stress.
you no take candle
Fyrewolf
Profile Joined January 2010
United States1533 Posts
November 07 2011 18:32 GMT
#35
Almost anything can be therapeutic because it's about how it affects you. That being said, I used to use FPS games therapeutically for anger issues; it is very cathartic to go on a rampage in Unreal Tournament when you can't rampage at your life. I started playing starcraft(besides it being awesome and loving it) was because I'm very add, but I don't think it's helping therapeutically on that. It does have a lot of other benefits I like though, allowing me to be competitive against people and vent some frustration and anger upon the enemy forces. I still prefer an FPS for dropping the hammer and dispensing indiscriminate justice though.
"This is not Warcraft in space" "It's much more...... Sophisticated" "I KNOW IT'S NOT 3D!!!"
sc2holar
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden1637 Posts
November 07 2011 18:34 GMT
#36
On November 08 2011 03:30 dAPhREAk wrote:
its a hobby, not therapy. doing stuff you enjoy makes you feel better.

a hobby can be a vital part of therapy. there is no separation here, they usualy go hand in hand.

most shrinks and therapists strongly encourage their patients to find and cultivate hobbies as a way to relieve stress and anxiety.
you no take candle
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
November 07 2011 18:41 GMT
#37
On November 08 2011 03:04 Stipulation wrote:
Is competition really good for therapy? I would think (and I have no experience her, just speculation) that you would avoid competitive activities.


Competition isn't necessarily good or bad, but being involved with a larger community can be very beneficial to a lot of people. Having a hobby that makes it easy to find like-minded people is a really good way to relieve general stress. I had some anxiety/depression problems in high school and found one of the most helpful ways to deal with it was to play MtG really seriously because it gave me something to focus on, and a group of people to hang out with that had similar interests as me.
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vileChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada525 Posts
November 07 2011 18:42 GMT
#38
After losing so many shitty games and punching walls everything else seems non trivial. I can deal with a lotof stressful situation with a smile that I otherwise could not have.
Day[9] i've broken 6 mice, 5 keyboards, 3 pairs of headphones, and a mousepad, all from raging after starcraft losing streaks
Quotidian
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1937 Posts
November 07 2011 18:45 GMT
#39
I think starcraft has done more harm than good in my case. Long losing streaks can basically ruin my mood for an entire day, it's kind of pathetic
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
November 07 2011 18:45 GMT
#40
On November 08 2011 02:47 MysteryHours wrote:
I think the flaw here is assuming that you have a finite amount of anger you carry around and raging at your opponents in SC2 removes this anger. It might be the case that SC2 creates anger that wouldn't otherwise exist. Perhaps the expression of anger in a safe environment could be therapeutic in some situations, but if you already have anger issues playing SC2 may just exacerbate the problem.



Pull 50 drones to 1 base because of hellion harass, half your main mines out during the transfer and they all go to 1-3 patches, 2 more blue flame hellions drop into the main....

Yeah, im sure starcraft creates a lot of anger in even the calmest of players
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ishboh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States954 Posts
November 07 2011 18:46 GMT
#41
i think when someone gets mad that they got 6 pooled, its because they got 6 pooled.
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
November 07 2011 18:49 GMT
#42
On November 08 2011 03:46 ishboh wrote:
i think when someone gets mad that they got 6 pooled, its because they got 6 pooled.


No, it's because that one guy ignored that there was a line at McDonalds, but you didn't have the balls to tell him off.
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
dgwow
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1024 Posts
November 07 2011 18:50 GMT
#43
But gaming causes anger so is it really an outlet...
Don't let those anti-cheese advocates tell you what to do. Rush to meet life head on!
Mentalizor
Profile Joined January 2011
Denmark1596 Posts
November 07 2011 18:53 GMT
#44
I've used tons of starcraft to get through a depression. My psychiatrist even encouraged me to play.

As you said it occupies the brain (=less depressive thoughts in my situation) plus it can give some extraordinary chemical reactions - and some really great feelings of success.

The only things my psychiatrist said were "bad" about playing SC was:
- The amount of time I did it (easilly 6-10 hours/day with playing/watch streams)
- The lack of physical activity.
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ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
November 07 2011 18:54 GMT
#45
I don't think so. SC2 generates anger and stress for me and after lost game i am nervous which is not heathy.
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Noxie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2227 Posts
November 07 2011 18:57 GMT
#46
I use Star2 to escape from everything. It acts like its own world. I usually don't mix the too as far as anger goes.. but I am usually only frustrated with myself if I am to lose.
kazie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
258 Posts
November 07 2011 18:58 GMT
#47
actually starcraft 2 is the only stressful thing in my life... i would probably be a kinder person if sc2 didnt generate so much hate in me LOL
too bad it's still addicting
AnachronisticAnarchy
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States2957 Posts
November 07 2011 19:01 GMT
#48
Starcraft 2 doesn't release anger, it causes it! It's perhaps the sole thing in my life than can earn more than a single raised eyebrow in terms of emotional reaction.
"How are you?" "I am fine, because it is not normal to scream in pain."
ishyishy
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
November 07 2011 20:07 GMT
#49
What your father doesnt understand is that the source of the "anger" is sc2 itself. Sc2 has actually dampened my confidence even more than before I started playing it. Now I am depressed and dont think I'll ever have any skills with gaming in general.
itts
Profile Joined May 2011
United States20 Posts
November 07 2011 20:13 GMT
#50
I am in law school and use Starcraft as a study break outlet. I will study for a few hours or complete a specific amount of assignments, then allow myself to play an hour of Starcraft. Most of the time it is the motivation of being able to play Starcraft that gets me through getting my assignments done.
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
November 07 2011 20:17 GMT
#51
It is what it is: a hobby.

Whether it's a good hobby or not for you is another thing.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
RoyalCheese
Profile Joined May 2010
Czech Republic745 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 20:19:59
November 07 2011 20:19 GMT
#52
On November 08 2011 02:33 sc2holar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2011 02:27 eccokk wrote:
On November 08 2011 02:19 Hardigan wrote:
I think it is the opposite: It creates additional anger.
At least for me it really doesn't feel like an outlet.


i fully agree, it is not like you let out your frustration from your day job or whatever.

not angry - play game - get cheesed - get angry


the idea is that you, during your childhood/life build up an amount of repressed anger that constantly affects your life and personality, but because it is REPRESSED you will not feel angry. It is impossible to feel this anger, since it has been stuffed away deep inside of your subconscious. It can, however, act out in other ways and cause personality disorders, obsessions and other forms of destructive behaviour.


This to me sounds very strange and it feels like something you can't prove. But i guess thats because i know very little about the topic and because i like to think in terms of logotherapy rather than psychotherapy ... anyway, I don't feel like i release anything. But i have no idea how to prove or distinguish generating and releasing rage.
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blizzind
Profile Joined February 2010
United States642 Posts
November 07 2011 20:19 GMT
#53
should probably figure out why you even have repressed anger
BlazeTSR
Profile Joined November 2011
United States218 Posts
November 07 2011 20:21 GMT
#54
Gaming does help those escape and come to relax, but far too often alot of people use it as the worst kind of escape. They don't learn from the problems they have but choose to ignore them and focus on the game they like. Totally not saying that gaming is a bad thing, or that it isnt a good stress relief. Only that those who choose to play a game need to manage their time. Become masters of time management and getting through what life has to offer.
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Chamby
Profile Joined September 2011
United States32 Posts
November 07 2011 20:21 GMT
#55
I think that SC2 is a great outlet for stress. Whenever I play I forget about everything else going on in my life and it really helps me relax. I think that is a big part of the reason I play the game.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
November 07 2011 20:23 GMT
#56
On November 08 2011 03:34 sc2holar wrote:
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On November 08 2011 03:30 dAPhREAk wrote:
its a hobby, not therapy. doing stuff you enjoy makes you feel better.

a hobby can be a vital part of therapy. there is no separation here, they usualy go hand in hand.

most shrinks and therapists strongly encourage their patients to find and cultivate hobbies as a way to relieve stress and anxiety.

well, i dont disagree with what you are saying. if you are upset about something and/or have stress, you turn to stress-relieving activities (e.g., activities you enjoy) to relieve that stress and calm down. however, i consider therapy to be something that fixes a problem. hobbies don't fix problems, they alleviate the symptoms of problems. for example, if you have anger management issues, playing sc2 and yelling at some newbs is not going to fix that problem, but its going to make you feel better; or if you have a stressful work life, playing games will alleviate the symptoms but not teach you coping mechanisms to deal with your stressful life.

sc2 is a hobboy, and like so many other hobbies, it is going to help you alleviate stress and anxiety in your life. at the end of the day though, you have to go right back to those stressful and anxious activities (e.g., work and school) and sc2 isn't going to help insure that you don't get stressed out or anxious again. so, yes, sc2 is a great hobby and helpful with alleviating symptoms, but is not therapy to fix the underlying problems.
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
November 07 2011 20:23 GMT
#57
On November 08 2011 05:07 ishyishy wrote:
What your father doesnt understand is that the source of the "anger" is sc2 itself. Sc2 has actually dampened my confidence even more than before I started playing it. Now I am depressed and dont think I'll ever have any skills with gaming in general.


That's not SC2's fault.

Gotta remember it's just a game, despite how much we worship it and praise the highly skilled.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Kenen
Profile Joined November 2011
Norway17 Posts
November 07 2011 20:26 GMT
#58
I think your right, but it depends on the game. I began playing MW2 and began raging so much, not only on the game but real life also. When i quitted, i calm more down, but still some rage. But the thing with mw2 is that you dont get the satifaction for winning, because you got like 6 allies winning with you. But sc2, you win by yourself! You lose, yes, some rage, but if you lose 5 games then win 1, you get so satified.

But im teenager, so can be puberity, but i believe sc2 helps you as a person, on many points! So long you dont loose your real life, like, no friends/air etc.

Good thread and topic!!
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TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
November 07 2011 20:26 GMT
#59
On November 08 2011 02:24 halvorg wrote:
Man must be so strange to have a shrink dad, your conversation really went that way?

Son, are you ready to come sit with us and eat? It is of my opinion that you will enjoy it.

Father, could you change the channel?
Is there something in this scene depicting copulation between man and wife that you find uncomfortable to watch with me? Son, you can always talk to me

OT: I've no idea about 2. But yeah it clears my mind. I sometimes load up an audibook and play sc2 without ingame sound while listening, shuts me off completely.



You laugh but that's pretty close to the reality in my household, with my mom at least. Actually, that's shockingly close to the conversation that went down when we rented "middle men" with Luke Wilson not knowing it was about the porn industry.
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TheRPGAddict
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1403 Posts
November 07 2011 20:34 GMT
#60
No, it is a videogame. Take it for what it is. Quit over-thinking it.
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
November 07 2011 20:35 GMT
#61
I dont know about you guys, but when im angry i get even more depressed and annoyed.

Winning on the other hand........
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Deckkie
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands1595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 20:38:28
November 07 2011 20:37 GMT
#62
The theory is good.

But what about the people that surpress their anger they get through sc because they feel they shouldnt be screaming and breaking stuff over a game?

For me personally SC is by far the most stressfull thing I do. Most games are easy going and relaxing. If I am loosing with a shooter too much I just quit the game and join another one. Who cares right? there arnt points awarded or something.

edit: Typos
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Holey
Profile Joined December 2010
United States68 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 20:39:45
November 07 2011 20:39 GMT
#63
Starcraft can make me happy when I win some games, but I usually loose games when I am mad about something which ends up making me more mad. ;o
canSore
Profile Joined November 2010
132 Posts
November 07 2011 20:40 GMT
#64
No, I do not think that starcraft can be good therapy. i think going out with friends family is good therapy, not staying cooped up in a room getting pissed off at a computer game.

look I love starcraft, but let's face it, it's a game that can make us go nuts from time to time. But because it's the best game ever, most of us can't stop, even if it does boil our blood.
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Dujek
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom276 Posts
November 07 2011 20:42 GMT
#65
I don't really know about therapy and stuff, but SC2 doesn't stress me out at all, I get really excited during games but afterwards its more of a "wow, that was awesome" feeling than a stressed one win or lose.

I don't mind being cheesed because it means I can either crush it and get a free win, or lose to it and learn from the mistake. But I've gotten to the point now where cheese rarely works and I don't meet a lot of it. It helps knowing that there's nothing they can do that I can't beat if I play better.

I can understand feeling a bit sad after losing a big game, but angry? Chill out >: just a game.
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
November 07 2011 20:44 GMT
#66
Yeah, SC2 can do a lot of good in that regard. Recently I found Driver SF to be a better outlet for anger, but nevertheless SC2 is excellent in this way.

SC2 isn't just mindless entertainment, as a lot of parents will mistakingly make it out to be.
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Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
November 07 2011 20:47 GMT
#67
On November 08 2011 02:27 eccokk wrote:
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On November 08 2011 02:19 Hardigan wrote:
I think it is the opposite: It creates additional anger.
At least for me it really doesn't feel like an outlet.


i fully agree, it is not like you let out your frustration from your day job or whatever.

not angry - play game - get cheesed - get angry


I definately agree with this.. the game creates anger for me, it doesn't let out suppressed anger.
Meatloaf
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Spain664 Posts
November 07 2011 20:48 GMT
#68
I do agree that you can relieve some anger during SC2 gaming , but then it makes me wonder , wouldnt be LoL be much more succesful at anger relieving? at least his community must be the most peaceful people when you meet them IRL

food for thought xD
Pesto
Profile Joined February 2011
United States121 Posts
November 07 2011 20:51 GMT
#69
This seems to be based on the idea that you can "release" anger from your system like taking a shit. Expressing anger does not address the source of the anger. I think to resolve your issues you have to confront them directly rather than finding outlets for emotional masturbation.
Ksyper
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Bulgaria665 Posts
November 07 2011 20:51 GMT
#70
When I lose I get a feeIing I don't get from anything else, it's kind of a crushing anger (best way I can describe it).
Although I don't really rage that much, I have never broken keyboards or mice, because I can control myself no matter how angry I am, mostly I punch walls when I'm in rage mode.
Also when I win I get a happiness I don't get from anything else, I'm SC2 and other games in general work on a very primitive part of our brains.
I don't think I need a outlet for repressed anger, but a friend of mine once explained why he plays DOTA, he is a very hard rager every time he dies he screams and curses, but one time when he hadn't had played for a week or something he started getting really stressed and he told me " all the bullshit in my life and all the annoying people piss me off so much, I'm gonna beat somebody up, I need to play some DOTA, because when I'm angry and I play I just scream and shout and after that I feel better"
So I do believe gaming can be a outlet, and also a flippin' shrink said so :D
LXR
Profile Joined June 2011
357 Posts
November 07 2011 20:52 GMT
#71
I don't think it brings out anger that I already had when i lose, I think it creates anger. Therefore I don't think it is good therapy. On the other hand, when i win, it's pretty nice
TotalNightmare
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Germany139 Posts
November 07 2011 20:58 GMT
#72
Well I am not that sure if it is really good since it CAUSES so mutch rage and you dont actually have a way to really get rid of it but punching walls and destroying valuable hardware so imho it causes mutch more anger than you can get rid of by playing it.
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
November 07 2011 21:00 GMT
#73
On November 08 2011 05:34 TheRPGAddict wrote:
No, it is a videogame. Take it for what it is. Quit over-thinking it.


This is TL.

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KingDime
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada750 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 21:08:44
November 07 2011 21:07 GMT
#74
I don't know why starcraft 2 stresses me out so much, i've been through many RTS's in my time and none of them (BW, AOM, AOE, WC3 and TF expo Hell, even dota did not make me rage 1/4 as much.) stress me out in the same way as starcraft 2. At the time where I rage, i'm just angry but I always regret it almost immediately after the game or series of games are finished. I've hardly ever raged in the RTS games i mentioned above and I never rage in team leagues or CSL. Even the bad beats as I call them in the team leagues don't really bring out much anger. The only thing that brings it out is SC2 ladder.

I'm unsure if it's,

1. The competitive level that I play at (basically i play between top 5 masters and top gm's depending on my mmr and losing streaks), aka smaller mistakes are magnified and even in fairly good situations such as taking out a zerg third little macro mistakes can still end games quite quickly.

2. The highly frustrating ways to lose such as my gateway army getting rolled by highly efficient bioballs from slight positioning mistakes, misfired ff's or just poor macro. I have to also include losing to banshees, 1/1/1's and muta ling counter attacks. The game can be very fragile at times and it's insane how sudden a winning situation can turn into a full on defeat.

3. I played orc in WC3 which hardly ever struggled in TFT at the point where I was at (Blademaster was extremely strong) where as protoss seems to be in a bit of a struggle atm. I never played Orc vs UD from the point of view of an undead player. Did my overwhelming tier 2 dominance using raiders grunts bm etc to effectively shut down the ud bring out a lot of rage on their side? I would be interested to know from ud players.

Overall, it's been an issue that I haven't really fixed and i've been working for months and months to stop raging at sc2 ladder. I'm not an angry person in RL, nor am I angry in the very enjoyable team leagues that I play in sc2 so I need to again try new ways. Am I more angry when tired? Dehydrated? Cold hands (Canada! makes it hard to micro/macro)?

I wouldn't be shocked if I was one of the biggest tilters in the higher leagues you could meet on NA. I'll play amazing games and very very bad games making it seem like two entirely different players when you face me on ladder.




I think it's terrible therapy for repressed anger/stress. Go work out instead.
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KulterBaun
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden44 Posts
November 07 2011 21:10 GMT
#75
I think that is awesome and you have a baller dad best luck to you in your life .
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Beamer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States242 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-07 21:11:26
November 07 2011 21:10 GMT
#76
I agree that SC2 tends to create more anger rather than bringing out suppressed anger. If I wanted to play a game with the intention of releasing my anger, I would probably prefer a game like Grand Theft Auto and go on a killing spree or something. After a crazy rampage in GTA, I usually feel pretty good and relaxed. After a crazy game of SC2, I usually feel tired and stressed out.
Dugrok
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada377 Posts
November 07 2011 21:18 GMT
#77
I don't think that repressed anger is really going to be released by raging paying SC2. If you have repressed anger from a problem in your life, you should just deal with it there... otherwise it will just keep bothering you and make you more angry.

Hypothetical example : I have repressed anger towards my stressful job. I decide to play SC2 when I get home. I lose, I rage, I smash a keyboard out of anger. If my pent up anger caused to be further angered by losing the SC2 game to the point where I take it out on my keyboard, I think that SC2 wouldn't be a form of therapy at all, and that I would have to deal with the real problem, my job, before I can get any positive « retombés » (sorry can't find the english word) from playing SC2.

That said, I don't think that SC2 can't be a form of stress-relief, in the sense that playing a game is something you can do to get away from it all. If I have a lot of homework, and I need a break from it because IT is stressing me out, then yes, playing SC2 will be a stress reliever, especially considering that I don't take it that seriously.
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