EPTPrize money in Starcraft 2 - Page 70
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AEsgaims
United States237 Posts
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Broodwurst
Germany1586 Posts
On November 02 2011 04:29 Lann555 wrote: I doubt it has anything to do with attitude or laziness or poor management. I'm fairly certain in a lot of these cases the money simply isn't there. Working with money "that's not there" is poor management though. | ||
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Lann555
Netherlands5173 Posts
On November 02 2011 04:52 Broodwurst wrote: Working with money "that's not there" is poor management though. Yes, I worded that poorly. I meant poor management more like them simply forgetting to pay out or being sloppy with the paper-work. edit: whether it's poor management depends really. Starting a business that is very likely to go bankrupt isn't always a bad idea from an economic perspective. If you can cut your losses if it doesn't work out (and not paying people helps in that I guess) and make a big score if it does work out, you can come out ahead mathematically. | ||
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Superneenja
United States154 Posts
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
On November 02 2011 03:19 Otolia wrote: If ESWC pays out, will ClouD publicly apologize and set the record straight ? Or will he continues to cry his eyes out because he is too uneducated to even understand the basics of private informations ? He has nothing to apologize for? And he's not crying or begging, its a common thing that needs to be addressed. | ||
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creamer
Canada128 Posts
On November 01 2011 00:51 andeh wrote: This is something ESEA as an organization has done really well. For all their lan games, when you win, you are given the check that night. Torbull knows whats up Actually, ESEA gives their prize money in cash which is inconvenient yet cool :D @Thread  very sad! Hope you get paid soon brotha | ||
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melinauvu
Turkey15 Posts
A friend. | ||
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Grettin
42412 Posts
On November 02 2011 05:16 creamer wrote: Actually, ESEA gives their prize money in cash which is inconvenient yet cool :D @Thread very sad! Hope you get paid soon brothaSuitcase full of bills.. mmmm | ||
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Divergence
Canada363 Posts
On November 01 2011 00:43 xOff wrote: I feel this may be another reason for needing a governing body for the starcraft gamers. As much as people don't want one, this is ridiculous. No please no. Government is not the answer. The free market can handle this perfectly fine. The community has a lot of presence in SC2, we all care about the sport. We can put a lot of pressure on these companies that aren't paying prizes. Eventually boycott's can occur. No company wants to sacrifice profits so they will pay up. The governing body, on the other hand, must be trusted to operate within the players best interest. We can clearly see that this was not the case with KeSPA. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
On November 02 2011 05:55 Divergence wrote: No please no. Government is not the answer. The free market can handle this perfectly fine. The community has a lot of presence in SC2, we all care about the sport. We can put a lot of pressure on these companies that aren't paying prizes. Eventually boycott's can occur. No company wants to sacrifice profits so they will pay up. The governing body, on the other hand, must be trusted to operate within the players best interest. We can clearly see that this was not the case with KeSPA. free market has never worked out too well for the people without regulation, fyi | ||
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Klondikebar
United States2227 Posts
On November 02 2011 06:05 iky43210 wrote: free market has never worked out too well for the people without regulation, fyi Huh? In the free market everyone is without regulation. | ||
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Bashion
Cook Islands2612 Posts
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Klonere
Ireland4123 Posts
On November 02 2011 06:08 Klondikebar wrote: Huh? In the free market everyone is without regulation. thread derail imminent | ||
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ThisGS
Germany255 Posts
On November 02 2011 03:19 Otolia wrote: If ESWC pays out, will ClouD publicly apologize and set the record straight ? Or will he continues to cry his eyes out because he is too uneducated to even understand the basics of private informations ? are u too uneducated to even read and understand his OP? | ||
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Satiinifi
Finland192 Posts
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sportsman
Germany4 Posts
On November 01 2011 00:40 aTnClouD wrote: - October 2011: this is very recent and you guys would think I have no reason to put it here. But well I'm very concerned for different reasons so I think this will be a big question mark in the future. I got top8 in ESWC 2011 in Paris and I'm supposed to receive 2000$ for this. Yet this is the first time nobody every asked me for bank details or contacted me at all after the tournament. Litteraly nobody ever spoke to me about the prize money so far and I have no clue who to ask aswell. I know ESWC has an history of not paying their prize money in the past and it really sucks playing a tournament knowing you might never get what you win, especially if you practice day and night for it and you have high expectations, like I do. sorry but this behaviour is on the same level as organizers who dont pay prize money unprofessional who invited you to ESWC? why should the organizer contact you and ask for bank accounts etc? i think many players behave like u and its part of your work ... its part of every self-employed person ... its not only playing ... its administration, organization etc invoicing organizers, check who has paid and who not ... remind them ... maybe get some legal help etc ... this is common in the whole world why it shouldnt be in esport? i was doing real sports for some time as a professional and this is how its going if you are not willing to do so ... then stop playing as a professional or get a normal job with a monthly salary | ||
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Shai
Canada806 Posts
On November 02 2011 05:43 melinauvu wrote: I know you nerds have never done business and have no idea about bad dept. Usually between 2-10% of total depending on in which country you are doing business. If it is between that range, then deal with it. If not, then get out of esports bizz asap. A friend. Dear A friend. I have not heard of the "Bad department." Please send me your credit card info so I can see the 2-10% discrepancy. Like, are you a troll? Because someone is wronged but it is statistically minor, it's not important? So if your mother was murdered, but it was only .00001% of the populace, that's ok? | ||
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Athox
Norway64 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
1. the escapist people who believe that money should be paid out immediately and that waiting for even a month is unacceptable 2. the people who think that everything up till 3 months is acceptable, of course with prior notice 3. the people who think that any waiting time is acceptable, assuming there was prior notice and that the player accepted the conditions 4. ESWC fanatics who just use this thread to flame cloud even though he didn't really fram eswc and only wrote out his concerns, especially regarding its history (or present really, if you consider the still unresolved issues) with matters like these. edit: all in all, there is a huge mess and no matter how long things are discussed, there won't be a solution to this. the only thing is to raise the public awareness that such things occur and maybe the public pressure will force everybody (talking about tournament organisers and their sponsors) to stay truth to what they promised. Creating a public blacklist might work, however then the players literally can kiss all the owed money goodbye, since the organisations will then have zero reasons to pay out and, considering what small sums we are talking about, have no need to fear a lawsuit. | ||
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Jayp
Argentina116 Posts
So this is what I'm getting from this entire thread. Players are unstatisfied with payment methods or non-payment from leagues. Some of you want to boycott these leagues. Some of you want to make a Players Association. Let's put it bluntly shall we? From someone that was a player, is currently a Manager, and volunteer for one the leagues mentioned. Let's look at this... What happens if this doesn't work out to your advantage? Let's look at what these leagues might do for example. Let's say that this doesn't go to plan. Here's what may and will happen, What happens once these leagues say thats it? They along with their sponsors / partners give THEIR money to YOU the player. These leagues along with their sponsors / partners are NOT going to deal with a players association. They are also NOT going to deal with a boycott. This is a battle that you will NOT win by resorting to these tatics. Keep this in mind before you destroy the entire SC2 eSport community. TL;DR: These companies are paying out of pocket, do something rash and it will end. | ||
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