EPTPrize money in Starcraft 2 - Page 63
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Val_
Ukraine156 Posts
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
On November 01 2011 18:59 [7x]laV wrote: And i can say, that Ukrainian Counter-Strike team Na'Vi ( 2010 year top-1 all tournamets, 2011 top-3 ) also did not receive money from many tours, about ~$50+k as their manager said navi plays CS as well as dota2, good on em! | ||
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hoburame
Netherlands48 Posts
On November 01 2011 00:46 ReachTheSky wrote: i personally think if people aren't gonna pay up they should be banned from esports. totaly agree, this shouldn't be legal. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
Sometimes I find myself scratching my head at why tournaments don't present a cheque to the winner straightaway (other than those that DO, of course). Why do you have to go through so much paperwork? It's not like the prize pool is going to change, they should have the cheques up and ready to be filled in with the names of the winners before the events. As far as I'm concerned, no player should have to contact a representative to get their money, or be made to wait months for their winnings. Players are human beings, they need to eat every day, etc... Anyway it's hard to believe that in this wonderful economy, most companies would be willing to pay thousands of dollars for a niche market. They know that legal action is tedious, difficult to gauge the success of, and hurts the practice schedule. For those reasons they feel that can get away with it - and they do! Maybe only a few start ups are really legit, like mlg as stated. The Korean professional scene, while the best, cannot be compared to a loosely organised western model. No one dares to fuck around in Korea because BW consciousness is on a public level. It's only in Korea that Starcraft can really be a job. You win, they pay...or prepare to lose customers, be featured in the newspapers, be sued, etc. | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
Plenty of work still to be done, from everyone. | ||
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Me1234
Germany219 Posts
On November 01 2011 19:09 infinity2k9 wrote: If Blizzard is taking a cut from all big tournaments, and they clearly are trying to get involved with eSports; why don't they actually do something useful here? Since currently it just seems to be a tax and no actual help in any way. so you think blizzard should handle the finances of such events and make sure they pay the price money? | ||
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Barkas853
Croatia18 Posts
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Arcanefrost
Belgium1257 Posts
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On November 01 2011 19:09 infinity2k9 wrote: If Blizzard is taking a cut from all big tournaments, and they clearly are trying to get involved with eSports; why don't they actually do something useful here? Since currently it just seems to be a tax and no actual help in any way. blizzard is a game developer, not a tournament organiser...although they do host their own from time to time. you make money off their game, they take a cut. seems fair to me. why do they have to help some companies pay off their debts, or act as lawyers for their customers? | ||
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Zax19
Czech Republic1136 Posts
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n0ave
180 Posts
On November 01 2011 19:14 Arcanefrost wrote: I'd go to a lawyer and let him contact the people responsible if it takes insanely long ( like 7months) , otherwise they'll just keep delaying it untill eternity. Agree Also nice to see you in sc2, it's good that you also did the dow2 into sc2 switch. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
They've put themselves in a position to profit from the proceedings so why not help things, or at least create a body that can do so. They are in such a controlling position i think they would actually contest a world organization for SC2 anyway, without their oversight. When they take these actions it's going beyond a game developer they are invested in eSports so it's not unreasonable to think they could do it. And no of course they shouldn't pay the debts themselves, or act as lawyers. It's as simple as don't license their tournaments if they are not paying players. Don't even need an organization made to achieve that, although an official body really would be good. Although let me just say that i don't think Blizzard should actually be involved with this at all, anything they are doing that's going into eSports instead of game development, it's almost a conflict of interest and certainly will be depending on what games they suddenly need to promote in the future.. but they ARE clearly involved, a lot, so there's no excuse for not proving any support like very basic oversight of tournaments they already take money from, and... LAN of course for those tournaments. Personally for me taking a cut in the first place is unnecessary from what amounts as free promotion for your game, in the long run it probably hinders growth of it competitively. Edit: just think under the status-quo, Blizzard is no doubt getting their cut i'm sure and are happily profiting from tournaments which we now know have non-payments.. would it be really ok for them to continuing licensing them without a thought.. i mean how big of a scam does it have to be until Blizzard has to take action on the matter, considering they are the only ones in a position to do it? | ||
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WerderBremen
Germany1070 Posts
Its rediculous that they have to ask and beg for their money - should be the other way around. Thanks to every person, first of all Cloud, to bring this information to public. I will DEFINITELY watch none of the tournaments who didn't pay out. On the other side i will buy a mlg gold ticket asap for sure!!!! EDIT: just corrected some orthographic mistakes | ||
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Jiddra
Sweden2685 Posts
On November 01 2011 19:29 WerderBremen wrote: I hope that every organisation/tournament marked by the players give a statement to this. Its rediculous that they have to ask and beg for their money - should be the other way around. Thanks to every person, first of all Cloud, to bring this information to public. I will DEFINATELY watch none of the tournaments who didn't pay out. On the other side i will buy a mlg gold ticket asap for sure!!!! Yes  Would be fun to see what the issues really are. I take these things with a grain of salt, sometimes players really are lazy and not following instructions. For example DH, if they would just put money in a players bankaccount they would be paying taxes etc. like the player is working for them. Taxes etc. would cost more than the prize money. So should DH deduct those fees, generated by the player not following instructions listed on the website before the event, the player would end up paying Dh for him winning. | ||
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shadymmj
1906 Posts
On November 01 2011 19:29 infinity2k9 wrote: but they ARE clearly involved, a lot, so there's no excuse for not proving any support like very basic oversight of tournaments they already take money from, and... LAN of course for those tournaments. Personally for me taking a cut in the first place is unnecessary from what amounts as free promotion for your game, in the long run it probably hinders growth of it competitively. just let me say I disagree. their actions, like any other company, are centered around making money. you may not agree with their policy to tax tournaments, but their doing so does not mean that they should be directly involved with administrative processes and whatnot. if a company uses someone else's product to make money, then i think some form of taxation is absolutely justifiable. besides, i don't think blizzard has the expertise, manpower or willingness to do such a thing. some people have mentioned that small-medium companies need to borrow cash or actually host an event before sponsors are willing to pay up. i think this is ridiculous. if you don't have the cash on hand, then don't host a tournament. having secured funding should actually mean having secured the money in an account RIGHT NOW. it's NOT a business transaction. players are not businessmen. it's more like a job contract. you play in this event, we give you a one-off salary after you do so. is it acceptable to have your salary delayed for 3 months? even 1 month? what do you live on in these 3 months, fresh air and starcraft? | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Something that doesn't seem to be ever mentioned as well, considering the amount of online tournaments and the hack tools that are hard to detect.. why is there no instances i can think of, of cheating in anything? Not even smurfing? I realize it might be hard to identify APM/hotkeys now unique to player but still. Even live tournaments, consider the amount of money involved and the ability for one main choice to end games in some matchups. Not hard to think of a cheat method. I find it very strange that there's been none of this despite the figures involved. On November 01 2011 19:47 shadymmj wrote: just let me say I disagree. their actions, like any other company, are centered around making money. you may not agree with their policy to tax tournaments, but their doing so does not mean that they should be directly involved with administrative processes and whatnot. if a company uses someone else's product to make money, then i think some form of taxation is absolutely justifiable. besides, i don't think blizzard has the expertise, manpower or willingness to do such a thing. Like i said in my edit how can Blizzard be let off the hook if they get paid from a tournament that doesn't pay? I think you underestimate Blizzard's resources. If you ever read the original requests to KeSPA by Blizzard you will see they are apparently very well equipped to do this and likely have a small group of people already handling eSports related things for Starcraft. For example they wanted to have additional contracts on all of the BW players to them, final say and ability to disallow broadcasts to change as they see fit, to audit finances of the various organizations. Not to mention they already have people handling the GSL related business obviously, and all of the major tournaments. I think they are just as morally ethical if they don't do anything at all about it really.. it's not right, when they have the control over the game to this extent. | ||
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satsang
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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