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On October 30 2011 02:18 chatuka wrote:
I think MMA could compete if he trains hard enough and eats healthy food. brain food no toxic non-sense
top SC2 players could go like this.
1. Flash (terran)
2. Jaedong? (Zerg)
3. Jangbi(Protoss)
4. Bisu (Protoss)
5. MMA?(terran)
6 Fantasy(Terran)
7. MVP(terran)
8. zero(zerg)
9. Huk(Protoss)
10. MC(Protoss)
Shuttle, Calm, Hyuk are probably top 20
MKP, Ryung, Puzzle, Rainbow are top 50.
If Effort gets back in the money game.. he could be a dark horse.
Stephano is also a wild card. he could be top five he decides SC2 as a career.
Nestea would be probably around top 15.
Am I being trolled?
Let's be realistic here. MVP would be extremely lucky to be in the top 50 if and when the pro BW teams switch. Stephano top 5? What am I seeing? O_o
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a true enthusiast. Hats off to you sir for trying to learn.
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On October 30 2011 06:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 02:18 chatuka wrote:
I think MMA could compete if he trains hard enough and eats healthy food. brain food no toxic non-sense
top SC2 players could go like this.
1. Flash (terran)
2. Jaedong? (Zerg)
3. Jangbi(Protoss)
4. Bisu (Protoss)
5. MMA?(terran)
6 Fantasy(Terran)
7. MVP(terran)
8. zero(zerg)
9. Huk(Protoss)
10. MC(Protoss)
Shuttle, Calm, Hyuk are probably top 20
MKP, Ryung, Puzzle, Rainbow are top 50.
If Effort gets back in the money game.. he could be a dark horse.
Stephano is also a wild card. he could be top five he decides SC2 as a career.
Nestea would be probably around top 15. Am I being trolled? Let's be realistic here. MVP would be extremely lucky to be in the top 50 if and when the pro BW teams switch. Stephano top 5? What am I seeing? O_o
Poor Zero. Woongjin's Ace, reduced to being lower than a Woongjin Terran.
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It would be interesting to see how many pros switching decide to change their race :D
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On October 30 2011 06:52 seraphe wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 06:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 30 2011 02:18 chatuka wrote:
I think MMA could compete if he trains hard enough and eats healthy food. brain food no toxic non-sense
top SC2 players could go like this.
1. Flash (terran)
2. Jaedong? (Zerg)
3. Jangbi(Protoss)
4. Bisu (Protoss)
5. MMA?(terran)
6 Fantasy(Terran)
7. MVP(terran)
8. zero(zerg)
9. Huk(Protoss)
10. MC(Protoss)
Shuttle, Calm, Hyuk are probably top 20
MKP, Ryung, Puzzle, Rainbow are top 50.
If Effort gets back in the money game.. he could be a dark horse.
Stephano is also a wild card. he could be top five he decides SC2 as a career.
Nestea would be probably around top 15. Am I being trolled? Let's be realistic here. MVP would be extremely lucky to be in the top 50 if and when the pro BW teams switch. Stephano top 5? What am I seeing? O_o Poor Zero. Woongjin's Ace, reduced to being lower than a Woongjin Terran.
Hahaha, I know right?
Heh, at least they have Light now  . So Woongjin Terran status isn't as bad as when MVP was playing BW .
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On October 28 2011 20:06 DreamRaider wrote:
The time to prove the "brood war players will dominate the sc2 scene" theory has come.
My thoughts exactly. The bw guys has been talking like the BW players will dominate SC2 like the koreans have dominated MLG, so it will be interesting to see. 
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On October 30 2011 06:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 02:18 chatuka wrote:
I think MMA could compete if he trains hard enough and eats healthy food. brain food no toxic non-sense
top SC2 players could go like this.
1. Flash (terran)
2. Jaedong? (Zerg)
3. Jangbi(Protoss)
4. Bisu (Protoss)
5. MMA?(terran)
6 Fantasy(Terran)
7. MVP(terran)
8. zero(zerg)
9. Huk(Protoss)
10. MC(Protoss)
Shuttle, Calm, Hyuk are probably top 20
MKP, Ryung, Puzzle, Rainbow are top 50.
If Effort gets back in the money game.. he could be a dark horse.
Stephano is also a wild card. he could be top five he decides SC2 as a career.
Nestea would be probably around top 15. Am I being trolled? Let's be realistic here. MVP would be extremely lucky to be in the top 50 if and when the pro BW teams switch. Stephano top 5? What am I seeing? O_o
MVP sub-top 50? You're overestimating how much better BW pros are going to be... to extremes lol. Am I being trolled?
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On October 30 2011 07:02 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 06:52 seraphe wrote:On October 30 2011 06:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 30 2011 02:18 chatuka wrote:
I think MMA could compete if he trains hard enough and eats healthy food. brain food no toxic non-sense
top SC2 players could go like this.
1. Flash (terran)
2. Jaedong? (Zerg)
3. Jangbi(Protoss)
4. Bisu (Protoss)
5. MMA?(terran)
6 Fantasy(Terran)
7. MVP(terran)
8. zero(zerg)
9. Huk(Protoss)
10. MC(Protoss)
Shuttle, Calm, Hyuk are probably top 20
MKP, Ryung, Puzzle, Rainbow are top 50.
If Effort gets back in the money game.. he could be a dark horse.
Stephano is also a wild card. he could be top five he decides SC2 as a career.
Nestea would be probably around top 15. Am I being trolled? Let's be realistic here. MVP would be extremely lucky to be in the top 50 if and when the pro BW teams switch. Stephano top 5? What am I seeing? O_o Poor Zero. Woongjin's Ace, reduced to being lower than a Woongjin Terran. Hahaha, I know right? Heh, at least they have Light now . So Woongjin Terran status isn't as bad as when MVP was playing BW .
Light's kinda been getting worse and worse, so as to become a true Woongjin Terran like MVP was.
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On October 30 2011 06:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 02:18 chatuka wrote:
I think MMA could compete if he trains hard enough and eats healthy food. brain food no toxic non-sense
top SC2 players could go like this.
1. Flash (terran)
2. Jaedong? (Zerg)
3. Jangbi(Protoss)
4. Bisu (Protoss)
5. MMA?(terran)
6 Fantasy(Terran)
7. MVP(terran)
8. zero(zerg)
9. Huk(Protoss)
10. MC(Protoss)
Shuttle, Calm, Hyuk are probably top 20
MKP, Ryung, Puzzle, Rainbow are top 50.
If Effort gets back in the money game.. he could be a dark horse.
Stephano is also a wild card. he could be top five he decides SC2 as a career.
Nestea would be probably around top 15. Am I being trolled? Let's be realistic here. MVP would be extremely lucky to be in the top 50 if and when the pro BW teams switch. Stephano top 5? What am I seeing? O_o
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/korean/players/590_MVP/games
MVP wasn't exactly a total scrub in BW. He's beaten Flash, Jangbi, Stork, Baby, Kal, Snow... There's no way MVP would suddenly be bumped to below top 50 by TBLS, I'd be very surprised if he didn't remain a top 10 player for a long time after the big BW pros switch.
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On October 30 2011 02:18 chatuka wrote:
I think MMA could compete if he trains hard enough and eats healthy food. brain food no toxic non-sense
top SC2 players could go like this.
1. Flash (terran)
2. Jaedong? (Zerg)
3. Jangbi(Protoss)
4. Bisu (Protoss)
5. MMA?(terran)
6 Fantasy(Terran)
7. MVP(terran)
8. zero(zerg)
9. Huk(Protoss)
10. MC(Protoss)
Shuttle, Calm, Hyuk are probably top 20
MKP, Ryung, Puzzle, Rainbow are top 50.
If Effort gets back in the money game.. he could be a dark horse.
Stephano is also a wild card. he could be top five he decides SC2 as a career.
Nestea would be probably around top 15.
What the fuck is this lol
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wow, you guys don't know' anything yet. let's wait and see for the results.
To be cursing at my predictions is kind of pathetic and rude BM for you.
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On October 30 2011 07:06 Razuik wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 06:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 30 2011 02:18 chatuka wrote:
I think MMA could compete if he trains hard enough and eats healthy food. brain food no toxic non-sense
top SC2 players could go like this.
1. Flash (terran)
2. Jaedong? (Zerg)
3. Jangbi(Protoss)
4. Bisu (Protoss)
5. MMA?(terran)
6 Fantasy(Terran)
7. MVP(terran)
8. zero(zerg)
9. Huk(Protoss)
10. MC(Protoss)
Shuttle, Calm, Hyuk are probably top 20
MKP, Ryung, Puzzle, Rainbow are top 50.
If Effort gets back in the money game.. he could be a dark horse.
Stephano is also a wild card. he could be top five he decides SC2 as a career.
Nestea would be probably around top 15. Am I being trolled? Let's be realistic here. MVP would be extremely lucky to be in the top 50 if and when the pro BW teams switch. Stephano top 5? What am I seeing? O_o MVP sub-top 50? You're overestimating how much better BW pros are going to be... to extremes lol. Am I being trolled?
exactly.
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On October 30 2011 07:15 chatuka wrote:
wow, you guys don't know' anything yet. let's wait and see for the results.
To be cursing at my predictions is kind of pathetic and rude BM for you.
Honestly, the most shocking thing is putting MMA above MVP; however, that's an argument for another thread I think. :D
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On October 30 2011 04:23 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 02:18 chatuka wrote:
I think MMA could compete if he trains hard enough and eats healthy food. brain food no toxic non-sense
top SC2 players could go like this.
1. Flash (terran)
2. Jaedong? (Zerg)
3. Jangbi(Protoss)
4. Bisu (Protoss)
5. MMA?(terran)
6 Fantasy(Terran)
7. MVP(terran)
8. zero(zerg)
9. Huk(Protoss)
10. MC(Protoss)
Shuttle, Calm, Hyuk are probably top 20
MKP, Ryung, Puzzle, Rainbow are top 50.
If Effort gets back in the money game.. he could be a dark horse.
Stephano is also a wild card. he could be top five he decides SC2 as a career.
Nestea would be probably around top 15. Oh dear. I wanted to question JangBi's spot over Bisu, but then I saw the rest of the list and it made even less sense.  Sun and Wooki alone have the potential to be better than any current Protoss in SC2. It's not only S Class players that would switch, in fact they'll probably be the last to do so.
how does it even make less sense? hmm?.. it's my opinion, and I'm entitled to it..
it would not be out of the possibility of MMA and MVP to remain in the top ten..
that is my belief.. and we will see who is right.
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TBH if we are going with which BW players will dominate SC2, Baby is the only one i can see doing it. no one else will make the switch until it's too late and be good enough and have enough time to practice to get good. baby is skilled enough, young enough, and paid enough to switch.
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On October 30 2011 04:56 grudgeStar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 02:18 chatuka wrote:
I think MMA could compete if he trains hard enough and eats healthy food. brain food no toxic non-sense
top SC2 players could go like this.
1. Flash (terran)
2. Jaedong? (Zerg)
3. Jangbi(Protoss)
4. Bisu (Protoss)
5. MMA?(terran)
6 Fantasy(Terran)
7. MVP(terran)
8. zero(zerg)
9. Huk(Protoss)
10. MC(Protoss)
Shuttle, Calm, Hyuk are probably top 20
MKP, Ryung, Puzzle, Rainbow are top 50.
If Effort gets back in the money game.. he could be a dark horse.
Stephano is also a wild card. he could be top five he decides SC2 as a career.
Nestea would be probably around top 15. If HuK would be anywhere near the top 10 if these players started playing SC2 fulltime I would seriously quit this game.
we will find out and see who has the last laugh.
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On October 30 2011 05:42 roymarthyup wrote:
the bw pro with the most promise in SC2 is jaedong. Jaedong still has all of his mechanics and is injury free and is even better than he was at any time because jaedong is still owning the young bloods in bw that should be owning him but it isnt happening.
Also i feel sc2 zerg played right is nigh unstoppable against terran. Give it a few more months and the ZvT metagame will be completely figured out. Lategame ghosts will be countered by mass overseers (to stop them from getting sniped) + mass lings and a dozen roaches + a few banelings /infestors/broodlords/ultras. By the time terran even gets to the point to use ghosts, against a good zerg the zerg should be massively ahead in econ to field the perfect counter. nestea just didnt know how to react properly in that shakuras game, but once zergs have more lategame experience against top terrans soon it will be figured out how to absolutely crush ghosts and terran will be left with nothing else and zerg will reign supreme. Of course this is all just my theory, so whatever, but i believe zerg truly is the strongest race and terran is only reigning right now because the metagame hasnt been figured out
regardless, even if my theory is wrong and zerg is not overpowered compared to terran and is just equal compared to terran, still my point was simply that jaedong is the bw pro with the most promise because IMO zerg is not a weak race in sc2. so whether or not zerg is overpowered or equal to terran, whatever, i think its one of those possibilities that is the truth and regardless jaedong will reign supreme in either possibility
Flash on the other hand has way too much injury and will soon retire. His injuries are growing way worse every year and and its such a shame that a great RTS mind has to go out to injury. Very sad for flash indeed.
It doesn't really seem like you know much about the BW scene. JD is in the worst spot he's been in years. By no means is he down and out but his ZvZ and ZvP aren't exactly setting the world on fire. Also, Flash started complaining about his wrist towards the end of last year maybe? Kind of tough to say that his injuries are growing worse every year when he's only been injured for one year. Also, he's just had successful surgery, again not to say beyond a reasonable doubt he'll be fine but you can say it with more certainty than he'll soon retire.
Assuming they all switch (big assumption), if Flash's wrist is fine he'll most likely be the best of the batch. The advantage he holds against all other BW players is his decision making and that will transfer perfectly to SC2. For me it is difficult to rank all the other BW players if they were to switch, but so long as Flash's body holds out I know he'll be the best.
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On October 30 2011 07:06 Razuik wrote:Show nested quote +On October 30 2011 06:39 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On October 30 2011 02:18 chatuka wrote:
I think MMA could compete if he trains hard enough and eats healthy food. brain food no toxic non-sense
top SC2 players could go like this.
1. Flash (terran)
2. Jaedong? (Zerg)
3. Jangbi(Protoss)
4. Bisu (Protoss)
5. MMA?(terran)
6 Fantasy(Terran)
7. MVP(terran)
8. zero(zerg)
9. Huk(Protoss)
10. MC(Protoss)
Shuttle, Calm, Hyuk are probably top 20
MKP, Ryung, Puzzle, Rainbow are top 50.
If Effort gets back in the money game.. he could be a dark horse.
Stephano is also a wild card. he could be top five he decides SC2 as a career.
Nestea would be probably around top 15. Am I being trolled? Let's be realistic here. MVP would be extremely lucky to be in the top 50 if and when the pro BW teams switch. Stephano top 5? What am I seeing? O_o MVP sub-top 50? You're overestimating how much better BW pros are going to be... to extremes lol. Am I being trolled?
Sure he could be in top 30 or top 20. But MVP couldn't compete with the top in anything in BW. He was far behind players like Jaedong, Zero, Bisu, Flash, Stork, Hydra, Effort, Snow, Calm, Fantasy etc etc in ALL aspects of the game: micro, macro, game sense, timing, preparation. I see no reason that he should remain in the top if these players decide to switch. And I whole heartedly hope they don't switch!
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This really all sounds like a classic my dad could beat up your dad at this point.
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I'm thinking if this does happen 6 months from now we will be seeing a surge of casters pop up in the foreign scene.
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