With the seed foreign players, I thought that the MLG guaranteed them a GSL Code A spot and they did not have to compete in the open tournament. If that is not the case than the GSL Code A spot offer in the MLG is pretty close to worthless, since most of those players could just travel there and qualify on their own. Can anyone help explain to me where Naniwa and Idra would fit in?

Frogsox

Australia274 Posts

October 27 2011 17:55 GMT

#224

The more I look at it the more I like it. At first I thought it was a little bit off the wall and crazy, but once I sat down and really thought about it I came to the conclusion that it's going to make every game matter a lot more than it used to (and those games did matter, though some more than others). I could be wrong and it might suck, but you don't know until you try it.

That said, the previous season of the GSL started to show some promise of better racial balance and Code S turn over with a lot of Terrans/scrubs (those who were simply treading water and not improving) dropping out and other races/players coming up. So I am tempted to say that maybe this change came a little too soon and they should have given the previous system a little more time.

murtas

Portugal249 Posts

October 27 2011 17:57 GMT

#225

Really good changes, only thing left to add is BO3 to group stages and it is a completely balanced system!

Code A always was a qualifying tournment, that basically only leaded you to another qualifier round (up$downs), now this is changed with 12 direct code s seeds (well i'm assuming some will be code s players), but actually now the Code A players have more changes to prove themselves to be better or deserving code S.

And Code B got easier with 20 spots prelims! It will be more based in luck than anything else! (easier or harder bracket)

jarhead271

United States160 Posts

October 27 2011 18:00 GMT

#226

I really like this. Even though code A is basically a qualifier I think it will be quite exciting, and I think we will see plenty of new faces.

Also notice, with the 2 seeded international players going directly to up and downs, those players will have a direct shot at code S, albeit it will be next season's code S.

Acidosis

United States172 Posts

October 27 2011 18:01 GMT

#227

this is awesome, more chances for players to get into code S, and also more chances for players to drop down to code A. Code S players obvisously has the better advantage of competing in code A if they do drop down. This means less down time for players who get knock out early. Downside could be less players competing in the foreign tournament. However, majority of the players in korea doesnt have the oppurtunity to play in foreign tournament anyway.

Reptarem

155 Posts

October 27 2011 18:03 GMT

#228

Agree with most comments. I like it but gonna miss the Code A finals. Still feel like they should put it in. Maybe give them different group seedings to the winner?

aristarchus

United States652 Posts

October 27 2011 18:03 GMT

#229

Any word on where the 2 code S seeds are coming from? I don't think there will be that many MLGs.

oxxo

988 Posts

October 27 2011 18:05 GMT

#230

Like it in the short run to weed out Code S and get some of the more deserving players in with a different format.
Don't like it in the long run.

Philymaniz

United States177 Posts

October 27 2011 18:06 GMT

#231

lol @ choboo's picture

Perfect representation

Clefairy

1570 Posts

October 27 2011 18:06 GMT

#232

Code A Bracket:
+ Show Spoiler +

Code S Group A 4th vs IM_MinSeok

MVPKeen vs TSLRevival

iSCrazymoving vs Liquid`Hero

Code S Group B 4th vs MVPGuineaPig

ST_Superstar vs SlayerSBrown

ST_Fruitdealer vs SlayerSAlicia

Code S Group C 4th vs CreatorPrime

oGsTOP vs ST_Parting

NsHsTassadar vs DignitasSelect

Code S Group D 4th vs oGsCezanne

MVPGenius vs TSLSymbol

NsHsSage vs oGsFin (fOrGG)

Code S Group E 4th vs ST_Rainbow

TSL_JYP vs Quantic Sase

FXOLucky vs DignitasNaniwa

Code S Group F 4th vs Soccer

HongunPrime vs oGsLuvsic

MVPNoblesse vs oGsInca

Code S Group G 4th vs oGsVines

CheckPrime vs ST_Squirtle

MVPMonster vs oGsJookto

Code S Group H 4th vs oGsTheSTC

MVPDream vs SlayerSBoxer

oGsZenio vs (Teamless) Jung Min Ho

darmousseh

United States3437 Posts

October 27 2011 18:06 GMT

#233

So I did a little math and came up with the new expected values. Assuming that the odds of a Code S player against a code A player is roughyl 50%. (More likely it's closer to 55%), then this is what the difference in the format produces.

F stands for Foreign tournament invite.

Previous GSL System Expected Turnover

S -> S 27.2
S -> A 4.8
S -> B 0
A -> S 3.8
A -> A 20.2
A -> B 16
B -> A 12
F -> S 1
F -> A 4

New GSL System Expected Turnover

S -> S 19.3
S -> A 7.7
S -> B 4
A -> S 10
A -> A 10
A -> B 20
F -> S 2.7
F -> A 1.3

This means that staying in Code S is a lot harder than before and we should expect quite a high number of Code S player to suddenly drop to Code A and even a few to Code B. The number advancing from A to S is much higher though.

The new format is interesting, but I believe similar results can happen with a much simpler format.

DaRKMaTT3r

Brazil553 Posts

October 27 2011 18:10 GMT

#234

Loved that new system so much. Will make possible to bring new blood around and to stay in Code S they need to fight. Also once a player you like get knocked out early on Code S you will still be able to see him play on Code A instead of waiting a whole season to see him play again.

roymarthyup

1442 Posts

October 27 2011 18:10 GMT

#235

i made a thread a while ago almost outlining how a new system such as this would be great for the GSL, however one problem

in my thread i said that it would make it way more exciting if the top2 code a players, after advancing far enough, could somehow get placed into the code S ro2 with the top4 code S players. then you play a new ro4 with 2 Code S players and 2 Code A players and have a nice fun underdog/favorite matchup and then you might get the possibility of some Code A player running through everything and winning the tournament

that would be a exciting possibility but this format doesnt allow this sadly

Akash1223

United States91 Posts

October 27 2011 18:10 GMT

#236

Little disappointing that there won't be a code A final anymore; but other than that I like it.

Not sure why they couldn't have the top 12 in code A continue playing to determine a champion even if they all still make code S (winning code A could just be some prize money to give players incentive to keep playing even after they're guaranteed their code S spot).

sensenmann

United States172 Posts

October 27 2011 18:11 GMT

#237

Not sure if this will help anyone else, but it helped me. It's a link I found on reddit, does a really good job explaining, in image form, what this post explains.

Canucklehead

Canada5074 Posts

October 27 2011 18:11 GMT

#238

On October 28 2011 03:06 Clefairy wrote:

Code S Group A 4th vs IM_MinSeok.......

Interesting. I wonder how they determine which code a players will play code s players because presumably the code s player should be stronger, so some people in code a get the harder bracket.

skyride

Scotland103 Posts

October 27 2011 18:11 GMT

#239

This format really seems nice, but I think the fact you need a several paragraphs long explanation to understand how it works is a bit unfortunate.

diophan

United States1018 Posts

October 27 2011 18:12 GMT

#240

On October 28 2011 03:06 darmousseh wrote:
So I did a little math and came up with the new expected values. Assuming that the odds of a Code S player against a code A player is roughyl 50%. (More likely it's closer to 55%), then this is what the difference in the format produces.

F stands for Foreign tournament invite.

Previous GSL System Expected Turnover

S -> S 27.2
S -> A 4.8
S -> B 0
A -> S 3.8
A -> A 20.2
A -> B 16
B -> A 12
F -> S 1
F -> A 4

New GSL System Expected Turnover

S -> S 19.3
S -> A 7.7
S -> B 4
A -> S 10
A -> A 10
A -> B 20
F -> S 2.7
F -> A 1.3

This means that staying in Code S is a lot harder than before and we should expect quite a high number of Code S player to suddenly drop to Code A and even a few to Code B. The number advancing from A to S is much higher though.

The new format is interesting, but I believe similar results can happen with a much simpler format.

The 50% assumption seems really silly. You have everyone but the top 8 code s players against code a players. Looking at last season, that's people like Bomber and HuK.