The EMP nerf will be a dream come true, and I hope it will help fix ghosts for late game TvP. Shields cost reduction is also nice given how underused they were. The ground weapons/armor cost reduction I really didn't expect, nor am I sure they are actually needed, but I doubt it will make a big difference. 75/75 aint that much more/less for 2/2, but I'm not gonna complain when Blizz decides to throw in unexpected buffs to my main race

ALPINA

3791 Posts

October 26 2011 06:22 GMT

#1342

Rofl what a nonsense. Ok I understand plasma shields cost reduced but attack and armor? Protoss always get's fastest upgrades in the game due to chrono and now cost is reduced?! Even if as a zerg I am rushing for upgrades toss is always ahead so wtf..

HaXXspetten

Sweden15718 Posts

October 26 2011 06:22 GMT

#1343

On October 26 2011 14:46 BarbieHsu wrote:
I think this is a pretty good boost. Who was that player who brought back double forge upgrades? Nasty stuff. Sase?

Now, less cost, more units, more deadly.

Although saying this particular upgrade was needed is a stretch.

Didn't protoss players not hate EMP radius as much as casting range?

That would be CreatorPrime.

Ashes

United States362 Posts

October 26 2011 06:23 GMT

#1344

I am rofling at the emp change..Wow it kinda makes a lot of difference in the total area covered..!! and I like it!! Also toss upgrades to cost less... Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh yeah!! :D

I am excited.. although i might switch to terran pretty soon.

DeadCell

Canada256 Posts

October 26 2011 06:24 GMT

#1345

So no change for zerg at all?

I guess we're doing a-okay.

emp radius change is nice though.

nam nam

Sweden4672 Posts

October 26 2011 06:25 GMT

#1346

On October 26 2011 14:02 ePdeLay wrote:
Theres absolutely no reason to reduce the cost of attack and armor, toss get the fastest upgrades with chrono boost

There is absolutetly no reason to make that comparison. Why does it matter if one race get their upgrades faster? They are different races, have different upgrades, it's really irrelevant if the other races get their upgrades quicker or slower if it leads to a more balanced game play. I'm not saying it will but I assume that's what Blizzard is going for.

fanvadmeck

Sweden112 Posts

October 26 2011 06:25 GMT

#1347

On October 26 2011 14:46 BarbieHsu wrote:
I think this is a pretty good boost. Who was that player who brought back double forge upgrades? Nasty stuff. Sase?

Now, less cost, more units, more deadly.

Although saying this particular upgrade was needed is a stretch.

Didn't protoss players not hate EMP radius as much as casting range?

It was CreatorPrime.WE

Ontopic... I think those upgrades wont stay except for the shield. Nice emp change though : )

Yaotzin

South Africa4280 Posts

October 26 2011 06:25 GMT

#1348

Omg they're actually just straight up helping shitty Protoss! A miracle has occurred!

Especially love the shield upgrades since there's potential there but it was never used 'cause just too darned expensive.

nam nam

Sweden4672 Posts

October 26 2011 06:26 GMT

#1349

On October 26 2011 15:22 Alpina wrote:
Rofl what a nonsense. Ok I understand plasma shields cost reduced but attack and armor? Protoss always get's fastest upgrades in the game due to chrono and now cost is reduced?! Even if as a zerg I am rushing for upgrades toss is always ahead so wtf..

It's not a competition in upgrades. Are you saying you can't win games if protoss is ahead in upgrades?

Spitmode

Germany1510 Posts

October 26 2011 06:26 GMT

#1350

changes sound good, i like them! also the emp change, let's see how it will affect endgame PvT

ALPINA

3791 Posts

October 26 2011 06:27 GMT

#1351

On October 26 2011 15:26 nam nam wrote:

Show nested quote +

It's not a competition in upgrades. Are you saying you can't win games if protoss is ahead in upgrades?

Yes man upgrades often decides game outcome. Toss is always ahead of zerg in upgrades and now they will have the deadly 3 attack even faster.

Aterons_toss

Romania1275 Posts

October 26 2011 06:27 GMT

#1352

New map pool EMP nerf.... I <3 blizzard.

DrZz

Romania70 Posts

October 26 2011 06:27 GMT

#1353

Awesome!!!!

Kroml

Turkey308 Posts

October 26 2011 06:29 GMT

#1354

Dustin Browder and David Kim semi-announced these changes in Blizzcon SC2 Multiplayer Panel already, I don't understand why ppl are so suprised...

PhiliBiRD

United States2643 Posts

October 26 2011 06:30 GMT

#1355

blizzard is retarded

why would they reduce toss armor/weap upgrades..

Gotmog

Serbia899 Posts

October 26 2011 06:30 GMT

#1356

On October 26 2011 15:22 HaXXspetten wrote:

Show nested quote +

That would be CreatorPrime.

Tyler.

Yaotzin

South Africa4280 Posts

October 26 2011 06:30 GMT

#1357

On October 26 2011 15:27 Alpina wrote:

Show nested quote +

Yes man upgrades often decides game outcome. Toss is always ahead of zerg in upgrades and now they will have the deadly 3 attack even faster.

Well, Protoss units are supposed to be better, I guess they feel upgrades are part of that.

I don't think the races needed to have equal upgrade capabilities - the game is balanced around myriad other things.

Runaground

Moldova36 Posts

October 26 2011 06:31 GMT

#1358

Oh my god, that's a terrible change.. EMP-ing zealots has been already very difficult due to their charge and mass, not it has become even worse. Now area has been reduced from 12 to 7, it's HUGE nerf. I have no idea how much ghosts you should have to successfully and fast EMP the toss army.

Upgrade change cost is unbelievable, such a big cost reduce. In any case toss gets his upgrades maxed much faster than terran does, so what's the point?

Gotmog

Serbia899 Posts

October 26 2011 06:32 GMT

#1359

On October 26 2011 15:24 DeadCell wrote:
So no change for zerg at all?

I guess we're doing a-okay.

emp radius change is nice though.

Its a really nice change...will help just a little bit but still....any little bit will help P.
I am surprised that snipe didn't get nerf as well.