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1.4.2 Patch notes PTR - Page 34

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Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 23:33:11
October 25 2011 23:32 GMT
#661
Double forge play is going to be a nightmare TT

EMP nerf was needed
Quasimoto3000
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States471 Posts
October 25 2011 23:32 GMT
#662
Haven't blizzard statistic claimed pvt was p favored ? This patch confuses me /:
Every sunday a nun lays from my gunplay
_Search_
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada180 Posts
October 25 2011 23:32 GMT
#663
Yes, because PvT late-game wasn't one-sided enough...

I really don't expect the armor and weapon up changes to go through. Toss doesn't need them and chargelots are already such an issue.
Nightshake
Profile Joined November 2010
France412 Posts
October 25 2011 23:32 GMT
#664
Are. You. Kidding. Me.

TvP is the worst match up for almost every Terran, very simple :

Protoss can get very early upgrades, because of the chronoboost. The strenght of Protoss was to have early upgrades and switch between Colossus and HT to force either Vikings or more Ghosts.

But now... I understand ( a bit ) the nerf of EMP, but man. Dealing with Protoss in late game is SO HARD...
Kracklings
Profile Joined March 2011
United States116 Posts
October 25 2011 23:32 GMT
#665
On October 26 2011 06:30 SeaSwift wrote:
Loving these changes. Blizzard DO listen to the community!

I reckon this is mostly to solve PvT - cheaper upgrades won't make a massive difference in PvZ, whereas in PvT the 2 Forge mass upgrade style could really do with this buff. And obviously the EMP nerf is to stop blanket EMPs being so effective vs Protoss.



Cheaper upgrades wont make a massive difference in PvZ? You Crazy man zealots with +1 attack completley shuts down nonupgraded lings. I play a heavy upgrade style pvz and having toss with cheaper upgrades + the fact its a buff so suddenly everyone will be double forge and than chrono.

I dont oppose this change it may get annoying, but if they are doing that much upgrading ill spam R and killy uo
TTTTTTTT GRIMMMEEEEE
Ryusei-R1
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States2106 Posts
October 25 2011 23:32 GMT
#666
Blizzard wants to deal with 1/1/1...

by buffing Protoss over and over and over.

That outta do it.
Jaedong plz
nvs.
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada3609 Posts
October 25 2011 23:33 GMT
#667
On October 26 2011 07:59 Finality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 07:50 synergy_sin wrote:
Hmm, when are they nerfing Psi Storm radius too? Guess it's okay for Protoss to do massive AoE damage to a Terran army, but not okay for EMP to disable Protoss Shields and spellcasters.


Patch 7 (version 0.9.0.14621B)

The Psi Storm radius has been decreased from 2 to 1.5.

Looks... oddly familiar...


Ahhh the shortness of human memory.
MrSparkle
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada135 Posts
October 25 2011 23:33 GMT
#668
Glad to see shield research cost dropped. Not sure why the others got dropped, but I'm not going to complain :D They still need to make at least one of the ghost's abilities researchable or go back to a higher gas cost before I stop crying myself to sleep at night, but this is a start.
LtLolburger
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand365 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 23:34:55
October 25 2011 23:34 GMT
#669
People seem to be overstating the cost reduction for ground attack and armour upgrades... the difference between current and proposed 3-3 upgrades is 150/150. Over the huge amount of time it takes to get there....
It is sometimes an appropriate response to reality to go insane. -Philip K. Dick
Ryder.
Profile Joined January 2011
1117 Posts
October 25 2011 23:34 GMT
#670
On October 26 2011 08:24 _Mittens wrote:
I'm beginning to see "balance" as a pretty unatainable goal for Blizzard, honestly. Scroll through every balance change in SC2. Aside from glaring changes that needed to be made, all these tweaks and changes spawn one group of people who LOVE the change, and then another group of people who HATE the change. Group A says the game has dramatically improved, Group B says the game is now broken.

Yep, that's what happens when you buff of nerf just about ANYTHING. Did you really expect that most forum-goers would be accepting of their race getting nerfed?
Sufinsil
Profile Joined January 2011
United States760 Posts
October 25 2011 23:35 GMT
#671
They announced these changes indirectly at BlizzCon. Nice to see them come through.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
October 25 2011 23:35 GMT
#672
On October 26 2011 08:34 LtLolburger wrote:
People seem to be overstating the cost reduction for ground attack and armour upgrades... the difference between current and proposed 3-3 upgrades is 150/150. Over the huge amount of time it takes to get there....


Including shield upgrades, which nobody gets because they're more expensive, and gets ignored by EMP -_-.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
selboN
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States2523 Posts
October 25 2011 23:35 GMT
#673
On October 26 2011 08:32 Quasimoto3000 wrote:
Haven't blizzard statistic claimed pvt was p favored ? This patch confuses me /:

no
"That's what happens when you're using a mouse made out of glass!" -Tasteless (Referring to ZergBong)
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
October 25 2011 23:35 GMT
#674
I really don't understand the armor and weapons upgrade. It's not a huge deal, but what's the point of it exactly then? Protoss have chronoboosts and compared to the other races they don't need to get upgrades besides armor and weapon, and I suppose shield but they affect the same units.
Kinetik_Inferno
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1431 Posts
October 25 2011 23:35 GMT
#675
I know why blizzard changed the cost of all the shields upgrades: They're encouraging players to upgrade shields more. I've always wondered why protoss didn't get the upgrade more, it upgrades the shields armor on everything! Buildings, ground units, air units, you name it! Plus, shields regenerate, so you get a LOT of bang for your buck!

I do fear that the level 1 shield upgrade being at 150/150 may be too potent. It upgrades EVERYTHING (I'm redundant aren't I?) for 150/150. It takes longer for your opponent to kill your base, it takes longer for them to kill your ground army... it takes longer for them to kill your air army. Etc.

We'll just have to see how it plays out. Blizzard might have gone to far in the "Let's encourage them to upgrade shields" thing.
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
October 25 2011 23:36 GMT
#676
On October 26 2011 08:32 Quasimoto3000 wrote:
Haven't blizzard statistic claimed pvt was p favored ? This patch confuses me /:

If you honestly believe this you have no place commenting on balance ever.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 23:36:46
October 25 2011 23:36 GMT
#677
On October 26 2011 08:35 Sufinsil wrote:
They announced these changes indirectly at BlizzCon. Nice to see them come through.

Careful now these are PTR changes; they aren't concrete!

Edit- Yeah, if you're saying Protoss is favored in PvT, you're mad. The only PvX protoss has a solid win rate in is PvP
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
Nightshake
Profile Joined November 2010
France412 Posts
October 25 2011 23:36 GMT
#678
On October 26 2011 08:32 Ryusei-R1 wrote:
Blizzard wants to deal with 1/1/1...

by buffing Protoss over and over and over.

That outta do it.


Seriously, I am a master Terran AND Protoss, and it's always auto-win for me when the guy goes 1/1/1.

This is and was never imba. These changes are because EMP's are strong. But PvT still have a better ratio than TvP. I mean, I have 90% vs Terran when I play Protoss and 20% vs Protoss when I play Terran.
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
October 25 2011 23:36 GMT
#679
I guess protoss upgrades weren't good enough.
Try another route paperboy.
L0thar
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
987 Posts
October 25 2011 23:36 GMT
#680
On October 26 2011 08:12 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 08:04 Whitewing wrote:
I do have to laugh about this EMP nerf to be honest.

Someone a while back made a comparison between two units and nerfs.

Unit A and Unit B are identical on all stats and upgrades, except unit A does 10 damage and unit B only does 4. Unit A is therefore overpowered, or Unit B is underpowered (let's assume the former for argument's sake). Unit A gets nerfed to only deal 8 damage, this is a significant nerf to the unit (20% damage nerf). It's still overpowered, as it's still dealing double damage compared to Unit B.

This nerf to EMP is nowhere near enough, and it's probably too strong still. It needs to either A: not deal all it's damage instanteously and be dodgeable like storm (create an energy draining field), B: deal less damage to shields, or C: Shorter range.


'Twas me, I do believe

And I'm interested in seeing if Terrans will double the number of ghosts they have because of this, or if this reduced radius will pretty much not do anything at all to TvP. Is it the wrong nerf to EMP? Should it do less damage rather than smaller radius (or both)? Same range as feedback or storm? And what about Snipe vs. Zerg? Perhaps if ghosts just started with less energy or needed to research more, that would help as well. Ghosts even counter themselves, for cryin' out loud.

Regardless, I'm happy they finally got hit with the nerfbat. As a Protoss player, I'll take what I can get against ghosts.

I kind of think that ghosts are one of the only enigmas left in Wings of Liberty. Sure, there may be other problems left (like inherent ultralisk pathing... sucks for Zerg players x.x but that'll hopefully get sorted out in HotS with the burrow-charge), but some things can be meta-gamed out. I think ghosts are one of the only things left in WoL that require a little patching.


The comparison between unit A and B is wrong on so many levels. The races aren't identical and no unit of one race plays exactly the same role as an unit of other race.

It's the same falacy like the good ol' "2 lings kill a rine, wtfbbq lings imba!"
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