EPTThe animation is worse than the model imo, it looks to clumsy and has a weird walk cycle that just look funny.
[Poll]Design model for Warhound - Page 12
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Elldar
Sweden287 Posts
The animation is worse than the model imo, it looks to clumsy and has a weird walk cycle that just look funny. | ||
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bbm
United Kingdom1320 Posts
On October 26 2011 01:40 Everlong wrote: I'm pretty sure 90% people reading this thread are intelligent enough not to change their mind by reading 2-3 sentences where I describe, what is this poll about and where I express my own opinion. Its a poll after all and you shouldn't feel in no way forced into any answer, concidering we are talking about unit design. It's about what you like and not. But I guess it's ok, several guys here can't bear this Star Wars refference, like it's hard to read "I like it, Mechwarrior ftw.." or just "I like it.". What is important is the expression of the comunity and I think this poll is good enough to make a picture.. Okay here's a (true) example I like it. I don't like it because of a star wars reference. So what option do I have? But people who don't like it have one pretty straightforward option. I don't vote. Everyone who dislikes it does vote. Suddenly the "like" group is underrepresented because some of us haven't voted since none of the options agree with us. There you go bias. That wasn't so hard. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10960 Posts
The poll is clearly about the unit and i don't know how anyone could or would care about the star wars reference in there... | ||
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RQShatter
United States459 Posts
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T0fuuu
Australia2275 Posts
I dislike the look in general. Thor and banshees werent particularily attractive but they grew on you cos of the characht (THOR IS HERE) and the sleekness of kiting/cloak. The way i see it the warhound is going to go in the direction of that other anti-armor/mechanical unit... the marauder. Which is just dull and universally hated. Whats more this thing has 7 range? Could there roles be any less similar? LOL why dont they just give us the thor back and make an even bigger thor for a hero? | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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Angra
United States2652 Posts
On October 25 2011 22:05 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Out of curiosity, why does everybody dislike the model? (I get that it looks like previous units from previous games, but that's always going to happen. What about the concept is inherently irritable?) First of all it looks ridiculously top-heavy. A mech walker type unit that is large enough to be piloted by a person needs a much wider stance, or bigger legs/feet to keep it from falling over. Not only would that make it look more realistic, but it would make it look more intimidating - just look at the Goliath, or a large majority of BattleTech mechs. Even look at the Summoner or Thor from the BattleTech universe, that on first glance it seems similar to. It still has a much lower center of gravity, larger legs/feet, and does NOT look like it's about to tip over like the Warhound does: ![[image loading]](http://images.wikia.com/mechassault/images/3/35/Summoner.jpg) compared to ![[image loading]](http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2011/10/medium_warhound_1.jpg) Second of all, it has about a million things that are asymmetrical on it - the two arms, the shield, the one missile pod, etc. Once again, makes it much less intimidating, much more confusing as to what it's actually supposed to be doing, and makes it look more like some farmer made it out of spare parts rather than it being a weapon of war (I know that's actually kind of the lore on it, but come on.. it's not cool, like Blizzard thinks it is. Having an intimidating, symmetrical mechanized weapon of war is much cooler than derpy looking robots being made out of spare parts). Third, as many people have pointed out, it looks like a big SCV. It's not the fact that it resembles another unit that makes it bad, it's the fact that the unit it's resembling, the SCV, isn't exactly badass. In fact it isn't in the slightest, and it makes the Warhound, in turn, appear to not even be able to hurt a flea. Fourth, it looks much too humanoid. It has too many movable joints. Upon first glance, without knowing anything about it, you would have absolutely no clue as to what this thing does. It might actually just be a bigger SCV that mines minerals, for all you know. Just look at the Goliath, in contrast: ![[image loading]](http://images.wikia.com/starcraft/images/7/7c/Goliath_SC1_Art1.jpg) It has a low center of gravity, reverse-joint legs, and two completely straight cannons for arms, rather than two completely flexible and different arms that seem like they can pick flowers in the park. You know on first glance exactly what the Goliath's purpose is - it shoots the fuck out of things in front of it with machine gun cannons as arms. You can't recognize anything that the Warhound does when you look at it - you need to read its description. Overall, there's a ton of factors that just make it look completely not intimidating or menacing at all, and in turn, make it not "cool" (no matter how cool Blizzard thinks that duct taping leaf blowers to the backs of lawn mowers for the Terran army is). | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
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Oliwoli
United Kingdom69 Posts
What matters is that it just doesn't look good, if you ask me. | ||
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Daralii
United States16991 Posts
On October 27 2011 23:32 papaz wrote: Why does the poll say "star wars ftw"? I don't get it. I guess it's supposed to reference the AT-ST, but the Goliath looks more like one than the Warhound does. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/e9/At-st_large_pic.jpg) | ||
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emythrel
United Kingdom2599 Posts
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
On October 28 2011 00:12 emythrel wrote: I really hope what they showed isn't the final model. It would be a shame to have such an ugly unit walking around with my sexy rine/ruader ball Why does Battle hellion look decent and WH is so ugly | ||
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Sighstorm
Netherlands116 Posts
On October 28 2011 00:08 Oliwoli wrote: Everyone is saying "it looks like X" without seeming to point out that all of the other pictures that have been posted all look like each other too. There's nothing new under the sun, it doesn't matter that it looks like something else. What matters is that it just doesn't look good, if you ask me. I agree. I don't care if it looks like something else... it looks awkward, not good. It looks awkward because the shape just doesn't make sense. Every Terran unit in WoL, except the Raven, has a shape that fits the purpose of the unit. If i had to design those units (read machines with the same purpose) in real life, the overall architecture of each unit would be quite close to how they look in the game (if the technology they use would be available & feasible in the real world). This beast does not. It looks like a "damn, the footprint of the Thor was too big. Let's create a slimmer Thor". The main reason is described a few post above... It's too top heavy. It looks like it can topple over any second. How would this thing ever be able to traverse through sand or ice/snow? And how does it stay upright when it launches a projectile? There are bipedal robots IRL that are top heavy, with slim legs, but those robots are a lot quicker and use unbalance specificly as part of the way they move. The warhound doesn't. In real live the function and design of a product have a much closer relation too each other than most people realise. (1) A quick fix would be to pump more steroids into the legs of this monster. The goliath shape would be a step in the right direction. (2) But i'm not even sure if a humanoid shape is a good fit for this unit. Personally think a SAM launcher kind of vehicle with an additional big gun at the front for ground to ground or some kind of four legged contraption would fit the unit much better. On the other hand, i do understand that robots attract a lot of people to the game. (3) The concept art of the warhound, although long and slim, actually looks a lot better than the in-game unit, because the top part looks less bulky. I did a very very quick exercise in photoshop to see how the warhound would look when the top part is less bulky, by removing the two 'boxes' next too the window/seat. IMO this is a big improvement already and wouldn't take a lot of effort to implement... ![[image loading]](http://img703.imageshack.us/img703/3824/warhoundfix.jpg) (I don't think the game actually needs this unit. I think it's too good versus protoss and not good enough versus mutas.) EDIT> I actually like this a lot for this unit... On October 27 2011 03:09 HostilSpike wrote: I'd love it to be a small scale, slightly updated ARES: ![[image loading]](http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100901192458/starcraft/images/0/07/ARES_SC2_Game1.jpg) | ||
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Spacedude
Denmark161 Posts
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Armada Vega
Canada120 Posts
I feel what makes the Goliath have girth or weight is its inverted legs like the back legs of a quadrabed mammal(horse, lion, wolf, etc). And then like the Goliath, the legs hold a very heavy top. These are some reference pictures I have found on the web that look like a Goliath 2.0 I take no credit for any of the art work. ![[image loading]](http://digital-art-gallery.com/oid/27/640x500_6270_Claus_2d_illustration_robot_mech_sci_fi_picture_image_digital_art.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://th00.deviantart.net/fs13/PRE/i/2007/120/8/6/Corporate_Assault_mech_by_flyingdebris.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/337/4/7/the_fiddler_by_flyingdebris-d345p45.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://th02.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2011/102/4/8/advancing_by_flyingdebris-d3dtbop.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs12/i/2006/284/5/b/T45_Russian_mech_by_Rafta.jpg) | ||
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MiKTeX
United States234 Posts
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pzea469
United States1520 Posts
On October 27 2011 17:06 JonSki wrote: Sorry my thrid post in a matter of seconds and couldnt find a better picture but the district 9 mech robot is also a class model! ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/0OYaU.jpg) I really wouldn't mind something like this unit for Protoss. I mean it was sort of the same concept with dragoons, though I think goons were only for injured Protoss. But something like this would also be cool. A zealot would be in there and the robot would have longer psi blades. It wouldnt be too huge or anything, just maybe twice the size of a zealot. Does melee splash damage :D Seeing it in district 9 made me think of protoss. | ||
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Puph
Canada635 Posts
On October 25 2011 22:09 MrHoon wrote: i hate how it looks (scv with legs) might as well just bring the goliath back, and even the goliath sc2 model looks hideous  The Terran have to get their parts from somewhere lol | ||
Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
On October 28 2011 00:13 Blasterion wrote: Why does Battle hellion look decent and WH is so ugly hey man the battle hellion looks awesome, so i'm sure the same art team can make something that doesn't look like a plastic toy. HOPEFULLY edit: HOLY SHIT LET'S GIVE TERRAN EVANGELIONS. I would pay 20$ extra just for an Eva-02. | ||
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