EPTStorm=Good
Everything else about HT=Bad
They need a defensive measure that can cloak them or something...or at least buff their base unit speed or give back amulet. There are so many different things you could do but still leave storm intact.
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Xenomorph
United States137 Posts
Storm=Good Everything else about HT=Bad They need a defensive measure that can cloak them or something...or at least buff their base unit speed or give back amulet. There are so many different things you could do but still leave storm intact. | ||
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Krehlmar
Sweden1149 Posts
On October 23 2011 18:25 Xenomorph wrote: Storm=Good Everything else about HT=Bad They need a defensive measure that can cloak them or something...or at least buff their base unit speed or give back amulet. There are so many different things you could do but still leave storm intact. That's just not true, come now, Feedback is badass and rapes zerg casters, and then you have archon for when they run out of mana instead of the infestor that just sits there and dies | ||
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NeWnAr
Singapore231 Posts
On October 23 2011 19:39 Krehlmar wrote: That's just not true, come now, Feedback is badass and rapes zerg casters, and then you have archon for when they run out of mana instead of the infestor that just sits there and dies Can your HT burrow move into your opponent's base to scout and kill workers? No. Can your HT deal with Thor/BCs/BLs/Motherships? No. Maybe except feedback IF they have any energy. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 23 2011 20:01 NeWnAr wrote: Can your HT burrow move into your opponent's base to scout and kill workers? No. Can your HT deal with Thor/BCs/BLs/Motherships? No. Maybe except feedback IF they have any energy. Can the Infestor do any of those things? No because of Turrets and Canons being standard against Zerg in any P/T build anyway. And no because it doesn't have the NP range to deal with any of those units apart from BC and Thor. Thor has tank support and BC are not viable anyway, due to corruptors... | ||
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sluggaslamoo
Australia4494 Posts
Says a lot about the Blizzard design team I think. It makes me frustrated that they won't just put the BW units back in. Seems like Blizzard is trying to fix things that aren't broke. | ||
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howLiN
Portugal1676 Posts
On October 23 2011 20:09 Big J wrote: Can the Infestor do any of those things? No because of Turrets and Canons being standard against Zerg in any P/T build anyway. Um yes, yes it can. The HT straight out can't, because it can't burrow or cloak. Infestor can. Is this difficult to understand? | ||
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Xayoz
Estonia373 Posts
On October 23 2011 20:01 NeWnAr wrote: Can your HT deal with Thor/BCs/BLs/Motherships? No. Maybe except feedback IF they have any energy. Are you serious? The HTs are the main reason why T can't use thors, BCs and ravens in TvP. In general, I like most of the new units and changes. Vipers and Swarm Host sound like they are made of awesome and might add zerg the ability to break T and P armies in straight up engagements. Terran might finally be able to mech in matchups other than TvT. I for once quite like the warhound (I suppose they could look a bit cooler tho). Protoss... I think that Oracle might be a rather useful unit. With the ability to zone out building and the new town portal spell on nexus, P should be pretty much drop/counter proof. Not a very exciting unit tho. Replicant is the one thing I really don't like. I mean... the concept of giving P access to the units of other races... I just don't like the idea. | ||
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Zaurus
Singapore676 Posts
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Olsson
Sweden931 Posts
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Gingerninja
United Kingdom1339 Posts
Warhound.. Should really just be the Goliath.. you already designed it, why have it sitting doing nothing, when the unit you probably spent months designing.. is the exact same.. "It's a smaller faster thor!"... like the Goliath you mean? Battle Hellion or .. the Firebat V2. The Shredder.. well most zergs will probably have muta's to deal with it easy enough. Toss. not so sure, blink stalkers? blink in and kill before it kills you? Or you could Oracle it, I guess. Swarm Host.. Lurker-esque. needs to be faster before it'll be formidable. Why are the spawned broods visible??.. Zerg has no unit can attack while cloaked (apart from hidden banelings.. and thats hardly the same as a ghost, DT or Banshee) They should have just put the lurker back in.. once again saving design time for something else. Viper.. kind of like a flying defiler.. but with a grabby thing. They should get rid of that, one, its ridiculous. two, it overlaps completely with Neural parasite. You can already grab collosus and drag it towards your army.. why do we need any other unit to do that? Toss Units, the replicant and Oracle I'd need to see being used in game before I could make my mind up on, the tempest looks cool however. It's as if they've decided to try and emulate brood war further, but don't want to admit it, so they've changed a few things, to keep it newer, sc2-ish. I don't get why if they're going to create units to do what their BW counterparts did.. as they are already in the game, why they can't just use them. PS. did they mention the range on the ultra charge? that looks funny. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
Why should the hellion be more durable, when it transformed into a walking mode? Generally, I'd say a vehicle should be far more durable regarding damage from outside, than something walking on two legs which can potentially fall and exposes more surface area. Also I do not understand why they had to cut units, just because they added new ones (in particular protoss carrier and mothership). | ||
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Topdoller
United Kingdom3860 Posts
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 23 2011 20:14 GrungyMunchy wrote: Um yes, yes it can. The HT straight out can't, because it can't burrow or cloak. Infestor can. Is this difficult to understand? You said it could get into a base... Note, I didn't say Infestors can't burrow! I said they can't burrow into a base... And what if P/T hasn't built any detection? Same thing as what if Zerg hasn't positioned units to spot Templar from just walking into a NONWALL expo and storming a mineral line. It's just dumb play early and happens in lategame when things get messy. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 23 2011 20:53 Topdoller wrote: After having a good look at these units, SC2 is starting to look like SC:BW more and more. I just dont know they didnt take SC:BW and give it a revamp in the first place Go play broodwar | ||
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xCd
England8 Posts
On October 23 2011 20:42 Gingerninja wrote: Swarm Host.. Lurker-esque. needs to be faster before it'll be formidable. Why are the spawned broods visible??.. Zerg has no unit can attack while cloaked (apart from hidden banelings.. and thats hardly the same as a ghost, DT or Banshee) They should have just put the lurker back in.. once again saving design time for something else. PS. did they mention the range on the ultra charge? that looks funny. The reason why Swarm host is visible because it is effectively broodlords only on the ground making it a siege unit. I'm pretty sure that there are no cloaked sieges units in the game so if they are cloaked. Even though it makes no sense that they can see Swarm host underground but not banelings for example. | ||
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Yosen3002
35 Posts
Ya dunno if you got that, but almost all of the units that are positively recepted are copies of scbw units already. His claim does make a lot of sense or do you think the warhound looks awesome in any way? | ||
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ALPINA
3791 Posts
Shredder - not needed. Terran already has PFs, tanks, bunkers - best defense in the game. Imo something like Shredder should be given to zerg, because it has weakest defense. Battle Hellion - Hellions in WoL are already very good vs. lings / zealots, do we really them to be even stronger vs. lings / zealots? I think all terrans going to always make this unit, cause it's just so strong and effective. On new abilites: Moving burrowed banelings does not seem right at all. Chraging ultras does not seem good as well. Better straight buff them, because with charge they are going to be doing unavoidable damage which is not good imo. Mass racall very bad idea imo. No more protoss losing battles ever. Go snipe something and teleport back to town whenever you please. Everything else is really exciting =) | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 23 2011 20:42 Gingerninja wrote: Blizzard seems to be trying to re-add the brood war stuff but without making it broodwar... at least for Terran and Zerg. Warhound.. Should really just be the Goliath.. you already designed it, why have it sitting doing nothing, when the unit you probably spent months designing.. is the exact same.. "It's a smaller faster thor!"... like the Goliath you mean? The Warhound is better, because the SiegeTank is worse and can't get buffed, because it would become to strong with SC2 unitAI. On October 23 2011 20:42 Gingerninja wrote: Battle Hellion or .. the Firebat V2. baracks =/= factory; bio play =/= mech play On October 23 2011 20:42 Gingerninja wrote: Swarm Host.. Lurker-esque. needs to be faster before it'll be formidable. Why are the spawned broods visible??.. Zerg has no unit can attack while cloaked (apart from hidden banelings.. and thats hardly the same as a ghost, DT or Banshee) They should have just put the lurker back in.. once again saving design time for something else. they couldn't make the lurker work in WoL, what makes you think it would be a good unit in HotS? On October 23 2011 20:42 Gingerninja wrote: Viper.. kind of like a flying defiler.. but with a grabby thing. They should get rid of that, one, its ridiculous. two, it overlaps completely with Neural parasite. You can already grab collosus and drag it towards your army.. why do we need any other unit to do that? A little bit like the defiler, yet other tech and other spell and flying... so similar role different unit. Also NP can't deal with colossi, even on low level it can't anymore since the rangenerf. On October 23 2011 20:42 Gingerninja wrote: Toss Units, the replicant and Oracle I'd need to see being used in game before I could make my mind up on, the tempest looks cool however. you should do that with every unit. Everything else is just theorycrafting withou any evidence...[/QUOTE] | ||
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HolyHenk
35 Posts
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
They really need to make a design change for the protoss race, so the 90% of the protoss race is actually the dmg dealing part of the army, rather than the 10%. First change would be remove warp gate tech, which although awesome idea, just doesn't work, since for it to work, all the gateway units have had to be nerfed to crap. | ||
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